Re: [Wikimedia-l] Branislav Jovanovic, User:BraneJ in critical condition

2015-12-11 Thread Milos Rancic
Brane died today. He read your messages and it mattered to him. I am
content as we sent him the message while he was alive and able to feel it.

Thanks to all of you who made him feel better during the last days of his
life.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Branislav Jovanovic, User:BraneJ in critical condition

2015-12-11 Thread Tito Dutta
Oops, terrible news. :(


On 11 December 2015 at 16:42, Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> What terrible news!
>
> I have started a condolences page here:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:BraneJ
>
>A.
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Milos Rancic  wrote:
>
> > Brane died today. He read your messages and it mattered to him. I am
> > content as we sent him the message while he was alive and able to feel
> it.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Branislav Jovanovic, User:BraneJ in critical condition

2015-12-11 Thread Mardetanha
:(( Rest in peace Brane

Mardetanha

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Tito Dutta  wrote:

> Oops, terrible news. :(
>
>
> On 11 December 2015 at 16:42, Asaf Bartov  wrote:
>
> > What terrible news!
> >
> > I have started a condolences page here:
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:BraneJ
> >
> >A.
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Milos Rancic  wrote:
> >
> > > Brane died today. He read your messages and it mattered to him. I am
> > > content as we sent him the message while he was alive and able to feel
> > it.
> > >
> > > Thanks to all of you who made him feel better during the last days of
> his
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Branislav Jovanovic, User:BraneJ in critical condition

2015-12-11 Thread Gnangarra
On behalf of Wikimedia Australia, Australian contributors and myself our
condolences to all who knew him, thank you Milos for sharing our care &
concern for Brane with Brane before he passed.

-Gideon

On 11 December 2015 at 21:59, Gregory Varnum 
wrote:

> Tragic news. Condolences to all that knew him.
>
> -greg
>
>
> > On Dec 11, 2015, at 8:42 AM, Mardetanha 
> wrote:
> >
> > :(( Rest in peace Brane
> >
> > Mardetanha
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Tito Dutta  wrote:
> >
> >> Oops, terrible news. :(
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11 December 2015 at 16:42, Asaf Bartov 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> What terrible news!
> >>>
> >>> I have started a condolences page here:
> >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:BraneJ
> >>>
> >>>   A.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Milos Rancic 
> wrote:
> >>>
>  Brane died today. He read your messages and it mattered to him. I am
>  content as we sent him the message while he was alive and able to feel
> >>> it.
> 
>  Thanks to all of you who made him feel better during the last days of
> >> his
>  life.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Branislav Jovanovic, User:BraneJ in critical condition

2015-12-11 Thread Katy Love
Thank you for this very sad update, Milos. I'm so sorry to hear this news.

My condolences to his family and all Wikimedians who knew him.

Katy


On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Milos Rancic  wrote:

> Brane died today. He read your messages and it mattered to him. I am
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Branislav Jovanovic, User:BraneJ in critical condition

2015-12-11 Thread Richard Symonds
Terrible news - our thoughts are with his family and those who knew him.

Richard Symonds
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United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).

*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*

On 11 December 2015 at 16:13, Katy Love  wrote:

> Thank you for this very sad update, Milos. I'm so sorry to hear this news.
>
> My condolences to his family and all Wikimedians who knew him.
>
> Katy
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Milos Rancic  wrote:
>
> > Brane died today. He read your messages and it mattered to him. I am
> > content as we sent him the message while he was alive and able to feel
> it.
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-11 Thread Denny Vrandečić
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 4:18 AM Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

> According to Denny, Wikidata, under its CC0 licence, must not import data
> from Share-Alike sources. He reconfirmed this yesterday when I asked him
> whether he still stood by that.
>
> In practice though we have Wikidata importing massive amounts of data from
> Wikipedia, which was a Share-Alike source last time I looked. Isn't
> Wikidata then infringing Wikipedia contributors' rights?
>
> Why is it okay to import data from the CC BY-SA Wikipedia, but not from
> European CC BY-SA population statistics?
>
>
Andreas, what I said was that Wikidata must not import data from a data
source licensed under Share-Alike date source.

The important thing that differentiates what I said from what you think I
said is "import data from a data source". Wikipedia is not a data source,
but text. Extracting facts or data from a text is a very different thing
than taking data from one place and put it in another place. There was no
database that contains the content of Wikipedia and that can be queried.
Indeed, that is the whole reason why Wikidata has been started in the first
place.

In fact, extracting facts or data from one text and then writing a
Wikipedia article is what Wikipedians do all the time, and the license of
the original text we read has no effect on the license of the output text.

So, there is no such thing as an import of data from Wikipedia, because
Wikipedia is not a database.

I have repeatedly pointed you to
   http://simia.net/wiki/Free_data
and you yourself have repeatedly pointed to
   https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikilegal/Database_Rights
so I would assume that you would have by now read these and developed an
understanding of these issues. I am not a lawyer, and my understanding of
these issues is also lacking, but I wanted at least to point out that you
are misquoting me.

Please, would you mind to correct your misquoting of me in the places where
you did so, or at least point to this email for further context?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Branislav Jovanovic, User:BraneJ in critical condition

2015-12-11 Thread Anna Stillwell
My thoughts are with his loved ones.
Warmly,
/a

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Richard Symonds <
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> Terrible news - our thoughts are with his family and those who knew him.
>
> Richard Symonds
> Wikimedia UK
> 0207 065 0992
>
> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>
> *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
> over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
>
> On 11 December 2015 at 16:13, Katy Love  wrote:
>
> > Thank you for this very sad update, Milos. I'm so sorry to hear this
> news.
> >
> > My condolences to his family and all Wikimedians who knew him.
> >
> > Katy
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Milos Rancic  wrote:
> >
> > > Brane died today. He read your messages and it mattered to him. I am
> > > content as we sent him the message while he was alive and able to feel
> > it.
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Branislav Jovanovic, User:BraneJ in critical condition

2015-12-11 Thread Gregory Varnum
Tragic news. Condolences to all that knew him.

-greg


> On Dec 11, 2015, at 8:42 AM, Mardetanha  wrote:
> 
> :(( Rest in peace Brane
> 
> Mardetanha
> 
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Tito Dutta  wrote:
> 
>> Oops, terrible news. :(
>> 
>> 
>> On 11 December 2015 at 16:42, Asaf Bartov  wrote:
>> 
>>> What terrible news!
>>> 
>>> I have started a condolences page here:
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:BraneJ
>>> 
>>>   A.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Milos Rancic  wrote:
>>> 
 Brane died today. He read your messages and it mattered to him. I am
 content as we sent him the message while he was alive and able to feel
>>> it.
 
 Thanks to all of you who made him feel better during the last days of
>> his
 life.
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[Wikimedia-l] WMF Discovery Dept Office Hour, Thursday, 17 December 2015, 19:00UTC

2015-12-11 Thread Rachel diCerbo
Hello everyone,

There will be an IRC office hour with members of the Discovery Department
on Thursday, 17 December, at 19:00 UTC. This is an opportunity to talk with
Tomasz Finc and other staff members in Discovery. You can read more about
their work here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Discovery

Additional information, including your time zone, is listed on the here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours#Upcoming_office_hours

We hope to see you there :)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Free Bassel

2015-12-11 Thread Katherine Maher
Hi all,

We thought you would want to see this story about Bassel, published in the
UK's Guardian today. It quotes Jimmy, among others, and we spoke with the
journalist ahead of publication.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/11/bassel-khartabil-fears-for-man-who-brought-open-internet-to-the-arab-world

Bassel was also mentioned yesterday by US Secretary of State John Kerry, in
his remarks on the occasion of International Human Rights Day.

http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2015/12/250541.htm

We're continuing to work with people from FreeBassel on how we can support
their ongoing advocacy, and appreciate your continued support.

Katherine

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Gregory Varnum 
wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> Quick update for those interested.
>
> The poll closed this weekend - as scheduled (it was a faster timeline
> given the urgency of the case/request). Right now, we await assessment and
> closure of the straw poll by a Steward (request has been made on their
> Noticeboard).
>
> At the time of closing, the banner campaign had 158 in favor (62.45%) and
> 95 against (37.55%).
>
> Again, thank you to everyone that participated.
>
> As we await closure and possible next steps, reminder that there is info
> on what actions you can take at:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Free_Bassel
>
> -greg (User:Varnent)
>
> > On Nov 28, 2015, at 3:14 AM, Gregory Varnum 
> wrote:
> >
> > Reminder that the current discussion on the banner will be continuing on
> Meta-Wiki for another 12 hours:
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Free_Bassel/Banner/Straw_poll <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Free_Bassel/Banner/Straw_poll>
> >
> > As of this email, 142 people have shown support for the banner campaign
> and 84 have opposed the banner campaign.
> >
> > Thank you to everyone that is participating in the poll and discussion.
> >
> > -greg (User:Varnent)
> >
> >> On Nov 26, 2015, at 12:55 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hoi,
> >> As this is not a Wikipedia article, it is more of an advertisement, a
> call
> >> to action. Urgency is key. This is not about the well known patterns of
> a
> >> Wikipedia article.
> >>
> >> This is not understood, it results at this late stage in an edit war.
> >> Either we have a point and make it or we have a Wikipedia style article
> >> which is to long to read. It will not be read because there is nothing
> >> urgent, nothing that demands attention.
> >> Thanks,
> >> GerardM
> >>
> >> On 25 November 2015 at 11:20, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hoi,
> >>> I have looked at the article. It does not have the necessary urgency.
> He
> >>> is likely to have been sentenced to death and the article reads like a
> >>> Wikipedia article. This is Meta, it is not Wikipedia and it needs
> urgency.
> >>> We appeal to the world to get involved to let his death not happen.
> That is
> >>> imho what the message needs to be.
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> GerardM
> >>>
> >>> On 25 November 2015 at 02:57, Asaf Bartov  > wrote:
> >>>
>  FYI: User:Odder has now created [[m:Free Bassel
>   https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Free_Bassel>>]], as a landing page to
>  link
>  from the banner.
> 
>  If anyone would like to help with a design for the banner (I concede
> not
>  everyone shares my taste for 10pt-black-on-white text), we would be
> able
>  to
>  move ahead.  There is, so far, nothing but support.
> 
>    A.
> 
>  On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Katherine Maher <
> kma...@wikimedia.org >
>  wrote:
> 
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Thank you for raising this issue here on this list. I wanted to share
>  some
> > more information about how we’ve been working to support Bassel to
> this
> > point, in public and behind the scenes. Unfortunately, some efforts
> are
> > sensitive, so can’t be shared in full on public mailing lists. But
> we’re
> > committed to supporting next steps or decisions by the community, and
> > keeping you updated going forward.
> >
> > Working with some other colleagues at the Foundation, we have been
>  tracking
> > Bassel's case for some time now, in direct contact with the
> organizers
>  of
> > the #FreeBassel campaign  http://freebassel.org/>> [1], and Bassel's
>  family.
> > The actions we have taken to date have been in coordination and
> approval
> > with the #FreeBassel campaign, including:
> >
> >   - Coordination and communication with related organizations, such
> as
>  the
> >   Electronic Frontier Foundation and Amnesty International. (ongoing)
> >   - Regular 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Branislav Jovanovic, User:BraneJ in critical condition

2015-12-11 Thread Lila Tretikov
Thank you for your sad note, Milos. Our thoughts are with you and his close
ones.

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> Brane died today. He read your messages and it mattered to him. I am
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>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Branislav Jovanovic, User:BraneJ in critical condition

2015-12-11 Thread Samir Elsharbaty
Sorry to hear such sad news!
On Dec 11, 2015 8:28 PM, "Lila Tretikov"  wrote:

> Thank you for your sad note, Milos. Our thoughts are with you and his close
> ones.
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Milos Rancic  wrote:
>
> > Brane died today. He read your messages and it mattered to him. I am
> > content as we sent him the message while he was alive and able to feel
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Branislav Jovanovic, User:BraneJ in critical condition

2015-12-11 Thread Katherine Maher
So sorry to hear this. My thoughts are with the Wikimedia Serbia community
and Brane's family and friends.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Samir Elsharbaty <
selsharb...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Sorry to hear such sad news!
> On Dec 11, 2015 8:28 PM, "Lila Tretikov"  wrote:
>
> > Thank you for your sad note, Milos. Our thoughts are with you and his
> close
> > ones.
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Milos Rancic  wrote:
> >
> > > Brane died today. He read your messages and it mattered to him. I am
> > > content as we sent him the message while he was alive and able to feel
> > it.
> > >
> > > Thanks to all of you who made him feel better during the last days of
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> > > life.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-11 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Denny,


I quoted your statement verbatim and in full in the op-ed. Moreover, your
statement had a context. Alexrk2 had said,[1]



---o0o---

Read the above.. at least under European Union law databases are protected
by copyright. CC0 won't be compatible with other projects like
OpenStreetMap *or Wikipedia*. This means a CC0-WikiData won't be
allowed to *import
content from Wikipedia*, OpenStreetMap or any other share-alike data
source. The worst case IMO would be if WikiData *extracts content out of
Wikipedia and release it as CC0*. Under EU law this would be illegal. As a
contributor in DE Wikipedia I would feel like being expropriated somehow.
This is not acceptable! --Alexrk2 (talk) 15:32, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

---o0o---



Note Alexrk2's three (3) specific references to Wikipedia.

Alexrk2 referred to imports of content from Wikipedia, and how it would
make her or him feel expropriated if WikiData extracted content out of
Wikipedia and released it under CC0.

You replied,



---o0o---

Alexrk2, it is true that Wikidata under CC0 would not be allowed to import
content from a Share-Alike data source. *Wikidata does not plan to extract
content out of Wikipedia at all*. Wikidata will *provide *data that can be
reused in the Wikipedias. And a CC0 source can be used by a Share-Alike
project, be it either Wikipedia or OSM. But not the other way around. Do we
agree on this understanding? --Denny Vrandečić (WMDE) (talk) 12:39, 4 July
2012 (UTC)

---o0o---



Alexrk2 specifically mentioned Wikipedia. So did you in your reply,
assuring Alexrk2 that Wikidata did not in fact plan to extract content out
of Wikipedia at all. Does this lend itself to the interpretation that you
were talking only about databases, and not about Wikipedia?

Alexrk2 then replied to you,



---o0o---

@Denny Vrandečić: I agree. But I thought, the aim (or *one* aim) of
WikiData would be to *draw all the data out of Wikipedia (infoboxes and
such things)*.

---o0o---



You did not respond to that post, or participate further in that section.
And these bot imports of Wikipedia infobox contents etc. have happened and
are ongoing. They have been mentioned in many discussions. There are
millions of statements in Wikidata that are cited to Wikipedia.

Just a few days ago, Jheald said on Project Chat,[2]



---o0o---

But my own view is that we should very definitely be trying, as urgently as
possible, to *capture as much as possible of the huge amount of data in
infoboxes, templates, categorisations, etc on Wikipedia that is not yet in
Wikidata* -- and that (at least in most subject areas) calls to restrict to
only data from independent external sources are utterly utterly misguided,
and typically bear no relation to either what is desirable, what is
available, or what is still needed in order to utilise such sources
effectively. Jheald (talk) 23:49, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

---o0o---



It's not plausible to my understanding to argue that Wikipedia's templates,
infoboxes etc. are not "data sources" when contributors speak of capturing
"the huge amount of data" contained in them. Much of the existing content
of Wikidata consists of data extracted from Wikipedias.

If you feel I have misquoted you anywhere on-wiki, please point me to the
corresponding place (here or via my talk page in that project), and I will
do whatever is necessary.



[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikidata#Is_CC_the_right_license_for_data.3F
[2]
https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Project_chat=281930638=281906226



On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 12:05 AM, Denny Vrandečić 
wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 4:18 AM Andreas Kolbe  wrote:
>
> > According to Denny, Wikidata, under its CC0 licence, must not import data
> > from Share-Alike sources. He reconfirmed this yesterday when I asked him
> > whether he still stood by that.
> >
> > In practice though we have Wikidata importing massive amounts of data
> from
> > Wikipedia, which was a Share-Alike source last time I looked. Isn't
> > Wikidata then infringing Wikipedia contributors' rights?
> >
> > Why is it okay to import data from the CC BY-SA Wikipedia, but not from
> > European CC BY-SA population statistics?
> >
> >
> Andreas, what I said was that Wikidata must not import data from a data
> source licensed under Share-Alike date source.
>
> The important thing that differentiates what I said from what you think I
> said is "import data from a data source". Wikipedia is not a data source,
> but text. Extracting facts or data from a text is a very different thing
> than taking data from one place and put it in another place. There was no
> database that contains the content of Wikipedia and that can be queried.
> Indeed, that is the whole reason why Wikidata has been started in the first
> place.
>
> In fact, extracting facts or data from one text and then writing a
> Wikipedia article is what Wikipedians do all the time, and the license of
> the original text we 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Free Bassel

2015-12-11 Thread Sam Klein
The Guardian piece was really good, thank you.  As was the personal history
Joi published:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joichi-ito/mit-researcher-sentenced-_b_8760354.html

Kerry's mention is promising; let's keep pushing for visibility at this
level.

Sam

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Katherine Maher 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> We thought you would want to see this story about Bassel, published in the
> UK's Guardian today. It quotes Jimmy, among others, and we spoke with the
> journalist ahead of publication.
>
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/11/bassel-khartabil-fears-for-man-who-brought-open-internet-to-the-arab-world
>
> Bassel was also mentioned yesterday by US Secretary of State John Kerry, in
> his remarks on the occasion of International Human Rights Day.
>
> http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2015/12/250541.htm
>
> We're continuing to work with people from FreeBassel on how we can support
> their ongoing advocacy, and appreciate your continued support.
>
> Katherine
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Gregory Varnum  >
> wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Quick update for those interested.
> >
> > The poll closed this weekend - as scheduled (it was a faster timeline
> > given the urgency of the case/request). Right now, we await assessment
> and
> > closure of the straw poll by a Steward (request has been made on their
> > Noticeboard).
> >
> > At the time of closing, the banner campaign had 158 in favor (62.45%) and
> > 95 against (37.55%).
> >
> > Again, thank you to everyone that participated.
> >
> > As we await closure and possible next steps, reminder that there is info
> > on what actions you can take at:
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Free_Bassel
> >
> > -greg (User:Varnent)
> >
> > > On Nov 28, 2015, at 3:14 AM, Gregory Varnum 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Reminder that the current discussion on the banner will be continuing
> on
> > Meta-Wiki for another 12 hours:
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Free_Bassel/Banner/Straw_poll <
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Free_Bassel/Banner/Straw_poll>
> > >
> > > As of this email, 142 people have shown support for the banner campaign
> > and 84 have opposed the banner campaign.
> > >
> > > Thank you to everyone that is participating in the poll and discussion.
> > >
> > > -greg (User:Varnent)
> > >
> > >> On Nov 26, 2015, at 12:55 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hoi,
> > >> As this is not a Wikipedia article, it is more of an advertisement, a
> > call
> > >> to action. Urgency is key. This is not about the well known patterns
> of
> > a
> > >> Wikipedia article.
> > >>
> > >> This is not understood, it results at this late stage in an edit war.
> > >> Either we have a point and make it or we have a Wikipedia style
> article
> > >> which is to long to read. It will not be read because there is nothing
> > >> urgent, nothing that demands attention.
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> GerardM
> > >>
> > >> On 25 November 2015 at 11:20, Gerard Meijssen <
> > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hoi,
> > >>> I have looked at the article. It does not have the necessary urgency.
> > He
> > >>> is likely to have been sentenced to death and the article reads like
> a
> > >>> Wikipedia article. This is Meta, it is not Wikipedia and it needs
> > urgency.
> > >>> We appeal to the world to get involved to let his death not happen.
> > That is
> > >>> imho what the message needs to be.
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> GerardM
> > >>>
> > >>> On 25 November 2015 at 02:57, Asaf Bartov  > > wrote:
> > >>>
> >  FYI: User:Odder has now created [[m:Free Bassel
> >   > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Free_Bassel>>]], as a landing page to
> >  link
> >  from the banner.
> > 
> >  If anyone would like to help with a design for the banner (I concede
> > not
> >  everyone shares my taste for 10pt-black-on-white text), we would be
> > able
> >  to
> >  move ahead.  There is, so far, nothing but support.
> > 
> >    A.
> > 
> >  On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Katherine Maher <
> > kma...@wikimedia.org >
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > Thank you for raising this issue here on this list. I wanted to
> share
> >  some
> > > more information about how we’ve been working to support Bassel to
> > this
> > > point, in public and behind the scenes. Unfortunately, some efforts
> > are
> > > sensitive, so can’t be shared in full on public mailing lists. But
> > we’re
> > > committed to supporting next steps or decisions by the community,
> and
> > > keeping you updated going forward.
> > >
> > > Working with some other 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Free Bassel

2015-12-11 Thread Sam Klein
On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> Hoi,
>
> If you are serious as a Wikipedian and, when you think that a Syrian can be
> a Wikipedian, you may appreciate the need to know at least about some
> Syrians and a little more about Syria...
>
>
> http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2015/12/missingbassel-what-to-do-for-him-and.html


Yes. Translation of recent tweets, if not entire articles, also helps
broaden the discussion.
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