Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Elections Committee

[Christophe Henner]

That I definitly will :)

And at the end of the day we will make a decision and provide reasoning.
Just wanted to give you my personal opinion too.

And I really did miss the question, sorry about that.

Have a great day,

Le 26 juil. 2016 7:50 AM, "Pine W"  a écrit :

> In the time that it took me to compose my answer to Gerard's question,
> Christophe answered. (:
>
> Christophe, I am glad to hear that this will be a part of the governance
> review. I would suggest keeping an open mind about this and letting the
> process take its course.
>
> Pine
>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Christophe Henner  >
> wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> >
> > The question is not on the table right now.
> >
> > We're working to perform a gouvernance audit, board composition will be
> > part of it.
> >
> > Now, my personal opinion is it's neither urgent nor critical. And on top
> of
> > that I'm not sure it would be a good idea.
> >
> > All that being said, I'm sure it will come up during the gouvernance
> > review.
> >
> > And yes I missed it, sorry. Gérard, no need for such email, just, as Pine
> > did, reask the question :)
> >
> > Have a nice day
> >
> > Le 26 juil. 2016 6:54 AM, "Pine W"  a écrit :
> >
> > > Hi BGC,
> > >
> > > I asked a question earlier in this thread which seems to have been
> > > overlooked. Is the BGC (or the Board as a whole) considering whether
> the
> > > Founder's seat will become an elected seat in the forseeable future?
> > >
> > > Pine
> > >
> > > On Jul 20, 2016 21:20, "Pine W"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Daruisz and all who worked on this.
> > > >
> > > > Looking at the bigger picture, the tone and pace of changes in WMF
> > > > governance over the past few months feel like a breath of fresh air.
> I
> > > hope
> > > > that this direction and pace continue.
> > > >
> > > > Speaking of elections and governance, will the Founder's seat become
> an
> > > > elected seat? It may be too early to answer this question, but I hope
> > > that
> > > > the BGC gives it some careful thought.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again,
> > > >
> > > > Pine
> > > >
> > > > On Jul 20, 2016 18:00, "Dariusz Jemielniak" 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Dear members of the Wikimedia community,
> > > >>
> > > >> As you know the board passed a resolution allowing for the creation
> > of a
> > > >> standing Elections Committee in November of last year [1]. Per the
> > > >> implementing resolution, the Board Governance Committee (BGC) has
> > > >> appointed
> > > >> the initial members from the recommendation of the Executive
> Director
> > > and
> > > >> her staff. We will be starting with 6 committee members:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>-
> > > >>
> > > >>User:Ajraddatz
> > > >>
> > > >>-
> > > >>
> > > >>User:Mardetanha
> > > >>
> > > >>-
> > > >>
> > > >>User:Ruslik0
> > > >>
> > > >>-
> > > >>
> > > >>User:Philippe
> > > >> > >slate
> > > >>-
> > > >>
> > > >>User:KTC <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/KTC>
> > > >>-
> > > >>
> > > >>User:Atropine
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> They will be joined by two official advisors from the Wikimedia
> > > >> Foundation:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>-
> > > >>
> > > >>James Alexander (Manager, Trust & Safety) from Community
> Engagement
> > > >>-
> > > >>
> > > >>Stephen LaPorte (Senior Legal Counsel) from the WMF Legal team
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> They will also be working closely with the BGC as a whole and
> > especially
> > > >> Nataliia and me. Because I may consider applying as a candidate in
> the
> > > >> upcoming community-selection process I will be recusing for any
> > > >> discussions
> > > >> involving that election[2].
> > > >>
> > > >> The new committee, along with the BGC, will, of course, be able to
> > > choose
> > > >> how many members and advisors they truly need and how to recruit the
> > > best
> > > >> candidates. One of the first orders of business for the committee
> will
> > > be
> > > >> to decide on a process for expanding its membership through some
> form
> > of
> > > >> open call. While there is an enormous amount of work for the
> committee
> > > to
> > > >> do, it can be expected that they will begin looking at:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>-
> > > >>
> > > >>The selection of a committee Chair
> > > >>-
> > > >>
> > > >>The dates and process for the upcoming community selection
> process
> > > (and
> > > >>consider shortening the terms and having community elections in
> > early
> > > >> 2017,
> > > >>so that the elected 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Elections Committee

[Pine W]

In the time that it took me to compose my answer to Gerard's question,
Christophe answered. (:

Christophe, I am glad to hear that this will be a part of the governance
review. I would suggest keeping an open mind about this and letting the
process take its course.

Pine

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Christophe Henner 
wrote:

> Hey,
>
> The question is not on the table right now.
>
> We're working to perform a gouvernance audit, board composition will be
> part of it.
>
> Now, my personal opinion is it's neither urgent nor critical. And on top of
> that I'm not sure it would be a good idea.
>
> All that being said, I'm sure it will come up during the gouvernance
> review.
>
> And yes I missed it, sorry. Gérard, no need for such email, just, as Pine
> did, reask the question :)
>
> Have a nice day
>
> Le 26 juil. 2016 6:54 AM, "Pine W"  a écrit :
>
> > Hi BGC,
> >
> > I asked a question earlier in this thread which seems to have been
> > overlooked. Is the BGC (or the Board as a whole) considering whether the
> > Founder's seat will become an elected seat in the forseeable future?
> >
> > Pine
> >
> > On Jul 20, 2016 21:20, "Pine W"  wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Daruisz and all who worked on this.
> > >
> > > Looking at the bigger picture, the tone and pace of changes in WMF
> > > governance over the past few months feel like a breath of fresh air. I
> > hope
> > > that this direction and pace continue.
> > >
> > > Speaking of elections and governance, will the Founder's seat become an
> > > elected seat? It may be too early to answer this question, but I hope
> > that
> > > the BGC gives it some careful thought.
> > >
> > > Thanks again,
> > >
> > > Pine
> > >
> > > On Jul 20, 2016 18:00, "Dariusz Jemielniak"  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Dear members of the Wikimedia community,
> > >>
> > >> As you know the board passed a resolution allowing for the creation
> of a
> > >> standing Elections Committee in November of last year [1]. Per the
> > >> implementing resolution, the Board Governance Committee (BGC) has
> > >> appointed
> > >> the initial members from the recommendation of the Executive Director
> > and
> > >> her staff. We will be starting with 6 committee members:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>-
> > >>
> > >>User:Ajraddatz
> > >>
> > >>-
> > >>
> > >>User:Mardetanha
> > >>
> > >>-
> > >>
> > >>User:Ruslik0
> > >>
> > >>-
> > >>
> > >>User:Philippe
> > >> >slate
> > >>-
> > >>
> > >>User:KTC 
> > >>-
> > >>
> > >>User:Atropine
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> They will be joined by two official advisors from the Wikimedia
> > >> Foundation:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>-
> > >>
> > >>James Alexander (Manager, Trust & Safety) from Community Engagement
> > >>-
> > >>
> > >>Stephen LaPorte (Senior Legal Counsel) from the WMF Legal team
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> They will also be working closely with the BGC as a whole and
> especially
> > >> Nataliia and me. Because I may consider applying as a candidate in the
> > >> upcoming community-selection process I will be recusing for any
> > >> discussions
> > >> involving that election[2].
> > >>
> > >> The new committee, along with the BGC, will, of course, be able to
> > choose
> > >> how many members and advisors they truly need and how to recruit the
> > best
> > >> candidates. One of the first orders of business for the committee will
> > be
> > >> to decide on a process for expanding its membership through some form
> of
> > >> open call. While there is an enormous amount of work for the committee
> > to
> > >> do, it can be expected that they will begin looking at:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>-
> > >>
> > >>The selection of a committee Chair
> > >>-
> > >>
> > >>The dates and process for the upcoming community selection process
> > (and
> > >>consider shortening the terms and having community elections in
> early
> > >> 2017,
> > >>so that the elected members would join the Board at April
> > meeting[3]).
> > >>-
> > >>
> > >>The method of voting for that process both for the upcoming
> selection
> > >>and the future and
> > >>-
> > >>
> > >>The composition of the board and how to ensure a steady supply of
> > good
> > >>candidates (in particular, making sure that the candidates have the
> > >>skills and expertise matching the Board skill matrix while making
> > sure
> > >> that
> > >>the process is still owned by the community[4]).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Just as the BGC is committed to greater transparency (see 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Elections Committee

[Pine W]

Hi Gerard,

I am listening, to you and to others. I believe that others are listening
as well. I would ask that you respect that there may be differing
perspectives.

I hope that we will hear soon from the BGC in the spirit of openness and
transparency. They may wish to respond in personal capacities rather than
as an official committee, which is okay. I understand that it might take
them a little time to process their thoughts. I expect that we'll hear at
least an acknowledgement of the question within a couple of days.

Pine




On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Gerard Meijssen  wrote:

> Hoi,
> I really hope that the question is not answered and when answered the
> answer is no.
>
> I am so sick and tired of this nonsense. It never stops and there is
> supposed to be only one answer. There are two alternatives; no answer and
> not as you like it.
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
>
> On 26 July 2016 at 06:53, Pine W  wrote:
>
> > Hi BGC,
> >
> > I asked a question earlier in this thread which seems to have been
> > overlooked. Is the BGC (or the Board as a whole) considering whether the
> > Founder's seat will become an elected seat in the forseeable future?
> >
> > Pine
> >
> > On Jul 20, 2016 21:20, "Pine W"  wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Daruisz and all who worked on this.
> > >
> > > Looking at the bigger picture, the tone and pace of changes in WMF
> > > governance over the past few months feel like a breath of fresh air. I
> > hope
> > > that this direction and pace continue.
> > >
> > > Speaking of elections and governance, will the Founder's seat become an
> > > elected seat? It may be too early to answer this question, but I hope
> > that
> > > the BGC gives it some careful thought.
> > >
> > > Thanks again,
> > >
> > > Pine
> > >
> > > On Jul 20, 2016 18:00, "Dariusz Jemielniak"  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Dear members of the Wikimedia community,
> > >>
> > >> As you know the board passed a resolution allowing for the creation
> of a
> > >> standing Elections Committee in November of last year [1]. Per the
> > >> implementing resolution, the Board Governance Committee (BGC) has
> > >> appointed
> > >> the initial members from the recommendation of the Executive Director
> > and
> > >> her staff. We will be starting with 6 committee members:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>-
> > >>
> > >>User:Ajraddatz
> > >>
> > >>-
> > >>
> > >>User:Mardetanha
> > >>
> > >>-
> > >>
> > >>User:Ruslik0
> > >>
> > >>-
> > >>
> > >>User:Philippe
> > >> >slate
> > >>-
> > >>
> > >>User:KTC 
> > >>-
> > >>
> > >>User:Atropine
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> They will be joined by two official advisors from the Wikimedia
> > >> Foundation:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>-
> > >>
> > >>James Alexander (Manager, Trust & Safety) from Community Engagement
> > >>-
> > >>
> > >>Stephen LaPorte (Senior Legal Counsel) from the WMF Legal team
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> They will also be working closely with the BGC as a whole and
> especially
> > >> Nataliia and me. Because I may consider applying as a candidate in the
> > >> upcoming community-selection process I will be recusing for any
> > >> discussions
> > >> involving that election[2].
> > >>
> > >> The new committee, along with the BGC, will, of course, be able to
> > choose
> > >> how many members and advisors they truly need and how to recruit the
> > best
> > >> candidates. One of the first orders of business for the committee will
> > be
> > >> to decide on a process for expanding its membership through some form
> of
> > >> open call. While there is an enormous amount of work for the committee
> > to
> > >> do, it can be expected that they will begin looking at:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>-
> > >>
> > >>The selection of a committee Chair
> > >>-
> > >>
> > >>The dates and process for the upcoming community selection process
> > (and
> > >>consider shortening the terms and having community elections in
> early
> > >> 2017,
> > >>so that the elected members would join the Board at April
> > meeting[3]).
> > >>-
> > >>
> > >>The method of voting for that process both for the upcoming
> selection
> > >>and the future and
> > >>-
> > >>
> > >>The composition of the board and how to ensure a steady supply of
> > good
> > >>candidates (in particular, making sure that the candidates have the
> > >>skills and expertise matching the Board skill matrix while making
> > sure
> > >> that
> > >>the process is still owned by the community[4]).
> > >>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Elections Committee

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
I really hope that the question is not answered and when answered the
answer is no.

I am so sick and tired of this nonsense. It never stops and there is
supposed to be only one answer. There are two alternatives; no answer and
not as you like it.
Thanks,
 GerardM

On 26 July 2016 at 06:53, Pine W  wrote:

> Hi BGC,
>
> I asked a question earlier in this thread which seems to have been
> overlooked. Is the BGC (or the Board as a whole) considering whether the
> Founder's seat will become an elected seat in the forseeable future?
>
> Pine
>
> On Jul 20, 2016 21:20, "Pine W"  wrote:
>
> > Thanks Daruisz and all who worked on this.
> >
> > Looking at the bigger picture, the tone and pace of changes in WMF
> > governance over the past few months feel like a breath of fresh air. I
> hope
> > that this direction and pace continue.
> >
> > Speaking of elections and governance, will the Founder's seat become an
> > elected seat? It may be too early to answer this question, but I hope
> that
> > the BGC gives it some careful thought.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Pine
> >
> > On Jul 20, 2016 18:00, "Dariusz Jemielniak"  wrote:
> >
> >> Dear members of the Wikimedia community,
> >>
> >> As you know the board passed a resolution allowing for the creation of a
> >> standing Elections Committee in November of last year [1]. Per the
> >> implementing resolution, the Board Governance Committee (BGC) has
> >> appointed
> >> the initial members from the recommendation of the Executive Director
> and
> >> her staff. We will be starting with 6 committee members:
> >>
> >>
> >>-
> >>
> >>User:Ajraddatz
> >>
> >>-
> >>
> >>User:Mardetanha
> >>
> >>-
> >>
> >>User:Ruslik0
> >>
> >>-
> >>
> >>User:Philippe
> >>slate
> >>-
> >>
> >>User:KTC 
> >>-
> >>
> >>User:Atropine
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> They will be joined by two official advisors from the Wikimedia
> >> Foundation:
> >>
> >>
> >>-
> >>
> >>James Alexander (Manager, Trust & Safety) from Community Engagement
> >>-
> >>
> >>Stephen LaPorte (Senior Legal Counsel) from the WMF Legal team
> >>
> >>
> >> They will also be working closely with the BGC as a whole and especially
> >> Nataliia and me. Because I may consider applying as a candidate in the
> >> upcoming community-selection process I will be recusing for any
> >> discussions
> >> involving that election[2].
> >>
> >> The new committee, along with the BGC, will, of course, be able to
> choose
> >> how many members and advisors they truly need and how to recruit the
> best
> >> candidates. One of the first orders of business for the committee will
> be
> >> to decide on a process for expanding its membership through some form of
> >> open call. While there is an enormous amount of work for the committee
> to
> >> do, it can be expected that they will begin looking at:
> >>
> >>
> >>-
> >>
> >>The selection of a committee Chair
> >>-
> >>
> >>The dates and process for the upcoming community selection process
> (and
> >>consider shortening the terms and having community elections in early
> >> 2017,
> >>so that the elected members would join the Board at April
> meeting[3]).
> >>-
> >>
> >>The method of voting for that process both for the upcoming selection
> >>and the future and
> >>-
> >>
> >>The composition of the board and how to ensure a steady supply of
> good
> >>candidates (in particular, making sure that the candidates have the
> >>skills and expertise matching the Board skill matrix while making
> sure
> >> that
> >>the process is still owned by the community[4]).
> >>
> >>
> >> Just as the BGC is committed to greater transparency (see for example
> our
> >> recent minutes[5]), the committee will likely consult with the wider
> >> Wikimedia community in developing and revising election procedures
> within
> >> the scope of this charter to the greatest extent possible.
> >>
> >> This day has been a long time coming and is the result of requests made
> by
> >> multiple different temporary election committees over the years. I'm
> glad
> >> to finally see it come to fruition and hope that it will allow our
> >> selection process to continue to expand and improve well beyond the
> >> record-breaking election we had in 2015.
> >>
> >> Before I sign off I also wanted to call out the amazing work of the 2015
> >> temporary Election Committee[6]. They were put together in 2015 to do
> one
> >> thing: run an election. They did that well (with almost 3x the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Elections Committee

[Pine W]

Hi BGC,

I asked a question earlier in this thread which seems to have been
overlooked. Is the BGC (or the Board as a whole) considering whether the
Founder's seat will become an elected seat in the forseeable future?

Pine

On Jul 20, 2016 21:20, "Pine W"  wrote:

> Thanks Daruisz and all who worked on this.
>
> Looking at the bigger picture, the tone and pace of changes in WMF
> governance over the past few months feel like a breath of fresh air. I hope
> that this direction and pace continue.
>
> Speaking of elections and governance, will the Founder's seat become an
> elected seat? It may be too early to answer this question, but I hope that
> the BGC gives it some careful thought.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Pine
>
> On Jul 20, 2016 18:00, "Dariusz Jemielniak"  wrote:
>
>> Dear members of the Wikimedia community,
>>
>> As you know the board passed a resolution allowing for the creation of a
>> standing Elections Committee in November of last year [1]. Per the
>> implementing resolution, the Board Governance Committee (BGC) has
>> appointed
>> the initial members from the recommendation of the Executive Director and
>> her staff. We will be starting with 6 committee members:
>>
>>
>>-
>>
>>User:Ajraddatz
>>
>>-
>>
>>User:Mardetanha
>>
>>-
>>
>>User:Ruslik0
>>
>>-
>>
>>User:Philippe
>>slate
>>-
>>
>>User:KTC 
>>-
>>
>>User:Atropine
>>
>>
>>
>> They will be joined by two official advisors from the Wikimedia
>> Foundation:
>>
>>
>>-
>>
>>James Alexander (Manager, Trust & Safety) from Community Engagement
>>-
>>
>>Stephen LaPorte (Senior Legal Counsel) from the WMF Legal team
>>
>>
>> They will also be working closely with the BGC as a whole and especially
>> Nataliia and me. Because I may consider applying as a candidate in the
>> upcoming community-selection process I will be recusing for any
>> discussions
>> involving that election[2].
>>
>> The new committee, along with the BGC, will, of course, be able to choose
>> how many members and advisors they truly need and how to recruit the best
>> candidates. One of the first orders of business for the committee will be
>> to decide on a process for expanding its membership through some form of
>> open call. While there is an enormous amount of work for the committee to
>> do, it can be expected that they will begin looking at:
>>
>>
>>-
>>
>>The selection of a committee Chair
>>-
>>
>>The dates and process for the upcoming community selection process (and
>>consider shortening the terms and having community elections in early
>> 2017,
>>so that the elected members would join the Board at April meeting[3]).
>>-
>>
>>The method of voting for that process both for the upcoming selection
>>and the future and
>>-
>>
>>The composition of the board and how to ensure a steady supply of good
>>candidates (in particular, making sure that the candidates have the
>>skills and expertise matching the Board skill matrix while making sure
>> that
>>the process is still owned by the community[4]).
>>
>>
>> Just as the BGC is committed to greater transparency (see for example our
>> recent minutes[5]), the committee will likely consult with the wider
>> Wikimedia community in developing and revising election procedures within
>> the scope of this charter to the greatest extent possible.
>>
>> This day has been a long time coming and is the result of requests made by
>> multiple different temporary election committees over the years. I'm glad
>> to finally see it come to fruition and hope that it will allow our
>> selection process to continue to expand and improve well beyond the
>> record-breaking election we had in 2015.
>>
>> Before I sign off I also wanted to call out the amazing work of the 2015
>> temporary Election Committee[6]. They were put together in 2015 to do one
>> thing: run an election. They did that well (with almost 3x the
>> participation of the next largest year) but then they went well beyond the
>> call of duty in serving as an advisory body to the board, offering
>> invaluable feedback on how to fill the empty community selected seats we
>> saw this year. They did not have to do this, but they did it anyway, and I
>> hope that everyone can acknowledge the stress and courage that took.
>>
>> Please join me in thanking the 2015 committee and welcoming the new
>> standing committee!
>>
>> Dariusz Jemielniak ("pundit", current Board member)
>>
>>
>>- [1]
>> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] WikiVoyage Europe available on Android

[Roland Unger]

Dear all,

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it everywhere -- for instance in desert regions without any
online connection. And it's a good replacement for heavy guide
books.

But why there are no similar tools in other languages than English,
why not in German or French?

It is very important to have up to date guides. But the last Kiwix
archives were made in the beginning of May. In former times
they were created monthly. For instance, in this three-months
period about 20.000 updates were made in the German edition
of Wikivoyage.

Best regards
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Stephane Coillet-Matillon wrote:

Dear all,

With Summer vacations in full swing, we’ve just released an offline 
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The app runs on Android and can be found at the Google Store [1]. 
Other regions will follow, this is a first shot at getting something 
rather lightweight and region-specific.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] June minutes from the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

[Gerard Meijssen]

Sorry,
no clue what that is supposed to mean.
Thanks.
 GerardM

On 24 July 2016 at 23:23, Robert Rohde  wrote:

> L8   v6d44oh
>
> On Jul 23, 2016 2:54 AM, "Stephen LaPorte"  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> The Board of Trustees have published minutes from the summer Board meeting
> on June 22-23 and the Board meeting on June 29 to discuss the endowment.
> You can find the meeting minutes and accompanying documents on the
> Foundation Wiki:
>
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2016-06
>
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2016-06-29
>
> Best,
> Stephen
>
> --
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> Senior Legal Counsel
> Wikimedia Foundation
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