Re: [Wikimedia-l] Positions open for strategy coordinator contractors.

[Tomasz Ganicz]

Thank you for clarification.

2017-01-31 17:26 GMT+01:00 Maggie Dennis :

> Thanks for the question, Tomasz, and for the answer, Dan. :)
>
> That's right - it's built into the form. I'm told it can't be removed.
> Candidates based outside the U.S. are very welcome to apply! I'd guess that
> the question may be relevant for some folks in the U.S., for instance
> international students who do not have a work visa.
>
> Best,
>
> Maggie
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:41 AM, Dan Garry  wrote:
>
> > On 31 January 2017 at 07:08, Tomasz Ganicz  wrote:
> >
> > > Just simple technical question. In the application form there is one
> > tricky
> > > question:
> > >
> > > "Are you legally authorized to work in the United States"
> > >
> > > I guess vast majority of potential candidates are not legally
> authorized
> > to
> > > work in US as they are citizens of countries which need a special
> > > work-permit to be legally employed in US.  Does it mean they cannot
> apply
> > > for this position or that WMF is able to organize  a work-permit for
> such
> > > persons?
> > >
> >
> > The work authorisation question is a standard one included in job
> postings,
> > irrespective of work location. I would assume there are no issues with
> > candidates based outside the United States applying, especially since all
> > the new positions are advertised as "San Francisco, CA or Remote".
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > --
> > Dan Garry
> > Lead Product Manager, Discovery
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] news events impacting the Foundation's ability to hire and its employees' ability to travel

[Neil P. Quinn]

James, I'm afraid I also find your posts repetitive and off-topic
(particularly because I see them both here and on wikitech).
​ I would really appreciate if you at least limit their frequency.
​

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On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:11 PM, MZMcBride  wrote:

> Rogol Domedonfors wrote:
> >Because this mailing list is for discussions about the Wikimedia mission,
> >Foundation and projects; not for the general discussion of the national
> >politics of the United States or any other country, however fascinating.
>
> Seriously. Where are the mailing list moderators? Richard? Thehelpfulone?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] news events impacting the Foundation's ability to hire and its employees' ability to travel

[MZMcBride]

Rogol Domedonfors wrote:
>Because this mailing list is for discussions about the Wikimedia mission,
>Foundation and projects; not for the general discussion of the national
>politics of the United States or any other country, however fascinating.

Seriously. Where are the mailing list moderators? Richard? Thehelpfulone?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] news events impacting the Foundation's ability to hire and its employees' ability to travel

[Rogol Domedonfors]

James


> Why are proposals to abandon the US being given more consideration than
> those to address the underlying issues?
>

Because this mailing list is for discussions about the Wikimedia mission,
Foundation and projects; not for the general discussion of the national
politics of the United States or any other country, however fascinating.

"Rogol"

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:11 PM, James Salsman  wrote:

> Why are proposals to abandon the US being given more consideration than
> those to address the underlying issues?
>
> And from those who have been so concerned about the frequency of discussion
> on this topic (amongst dozens of redundant crongradulatory messages which
> have never in a dozen years resulted in any such concerns), is it fair to
> ask how frequent they consider appropriate discussion should be; in
> particular given the perspective here?
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] news events impacting the Foundation's ability to hire and its employees' ability to travel

[James Salsman]

Why are proposals to abandon the US being given more consideration than
those to address the underlying issues?

And from those who have been so concerned about the frequency of discussion
on this topic (amongst dozens of redundant crongradulatory messages which
have never in a dozen years resulted in any such concerns), is it fair to
ask how frequent they consider appropriate discussion should be; in
particular given the perspective here?

https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Publicpolicy] news events impacting the Foundation's ability to hire and its employees' ability to travel

[Benjamin Lees]

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:00 AM, Rogol Domedonfors
 wrote:
> I think this is a very interesting point.  Why is the WMF so dependent on
> being able to hire staff in one location?

A quick scan of the staff page shows more than 60 "international"
employees. (A fair number of employees are also inside the US but not
in SF.) Some teams, like Technical Collaboration and Technical
Operations, have lots of remote employees.  Some, like HR and Finance
and Administration, do not (probably not a huge surprise).

The WMF still has plenty of work to do on this front, but I think
they're moving in the right direction: almost all of the currently
open jobs at the WMF include "remote" as an option.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Positions open for strategy coordinator contractors.

[Johan Jönsson]

(Note: Replying from my personal email, so User:Julle speaking rather than
User:Johan (WMF). I'm not working on this and not intimately familiar with
the plans for the strategy consultation; these are not comments from the
WMF, which as far as I know has no position on the subject of Scandinavian
languages.)

2017-01-31 15:38 GMT+01:00 John Erling Blad :

> Swedes have trouble speaking with both Norwegians and Danes, Danes have
> lesser trouble with Swedish and even less with Norwegian, Norwegians have
> virtually no problems wiith Swedish and Danish. People from Island and the
> Faroe icelands usually speaks Danish, they learn it in school, and as
> Norwegian and Danish is pretty close they usually understands Norwegians
> without any problem. It is somewhat strange how much trouble Swedes have in
> understanding the other Scandinavian languages, given that they are so
> closely related.
>

As far as I know, there's no major difference between Swedish and Danish
understanding of the neighbouring languages. When looking at Denmark,
Sweden and Norway and how well adolescents understand their neighbours,
Delsing & Lundin (2005) found two things that really stand out: On average
Norwegians understand Danish and Swedish significantly better than Danes or
Swedes understand the other Scandinavian languages – especially the Danish
understanding of their neighbours had dropped since Øivind Maurud looked at
the same thing in the 1970s – and both Danes and Swedes found Norwegian the
easiest foreign Scandinavian language to understand.

(They mainly performed OKish when it came to understanding written text;
understanding of the spoken languages are more difficult – the Norwegians
struggled with spoken Danish, too. Here's Norwegian national TV making fun
of how difficult the other Scandinavians generally find Danish:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk)

(Reference: Delsing, Lars-Olof & Lundin, Katarina. "Håller språket ihop
Norden? : en forskningsrapport om ungdomars förståelse av danska, svenska
och norska" (2005):
https://lucris.lub.lu.se/ws/files/5905032/625654.pdf)

//Johan Jönsson
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Publicpolicy] news events impacting the Foundation's ability to hire and its employees' ability to travel

[Fæ]

There is no reason for the servers hosting data to be located in the
same country as the majority of WMF employees. If London is the most
attractive place to work, and Canada is legally the most sensible
place for data to be centralized, then there is nothing forcing the
WMF to have its headquarters in the same country as the servers.

As previously discussed, it makes sense to have the data in more than
one country, and if something like super-injunctions unexpectedly
apply in one country, then the other country or countries should be
chosen to minimise the risk that the same action would apply there.

It would even be possible to legally separate the WMF from its
currently internal data hosting functions. Again these strategic
options would minimize the chance that some billionaire's lawyers
could use injunctions to completely suppress specific knowledge.

Fae

On 31 January 2017 at 16:03, Todd Allen  wrote:
> I think that's an interesting thought in general, but what used to be true
> still is today. Europe in general, and the UK in particular, has
> significantly weaker free speech guarantees than the US does. This
> manifests in quite a few ways, from "hate speech" to "right to be
> forgotten" to "superinjunctions" to prohibitions against publishing the
> name of certain people accused of criminal acts.
>
> Moving to Europe would oblige the WMF to follow these restrictions. How
> would that be avoided? If anything, Canada might be a better option in that
> regard, but still far from perfect.
>
> Also, I'd dispute that London is inherently more creative and vibrant than
> SV. Some of the most brilliant and creative people in the world live and
> work in Silicon Valley.
>
> Todd

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Publicpolicy] news events impacting the Foundation's ability to hire and its employees' ability to travel

[Natacha Rault]

I dont think "Europe" and european countries cant be thrown in one potatoe bag. 
When I read this "Some of the most brilliant and creative people in the world 
live and
work in Silicon Valley."  it reminds me, as I am French living in Geneva of the 
attitude of so called "developed" countries wanting to give good advice and 
impose their way of thinking to so called "underdeveloped countries" in the UN, 
 WTO and ILO sphere, as these guys always go from the premises of their 
inherent superiority.. 

Actually in Geneva we have the highest proportion of Nobel prizes per square 
kilometers (or that is what people out here think). This statement clearly 
would upset some people who are not included in that brilliantly creative 
talent pool...  It is actually the place where the www idea  stems from... 

Nattes à chat




Le 31 janv. 2017 à 17:03, Todd Allen a écrit :

I think that's an interesting thought in general, but what used to be true
still is today. Europe in general, and the UK in particular, has
significantly weaker free speech guarantees than the US does. This
manifests in quite a few ways, from "hate speech" to "right to be
forgotten" to "superinjunctions" to prohibitions against publishing the
name of certain people accused of criminal acts.

Moving to Europe would oblige the WMF to follow these restrictions. How
would that be avoided? If anything, Canada might be a better option in that
regard, but still far from perfect.

Also, I'd dispute that London is inherently more creative and vibrant than
SV. Some of the most brilliant and creative people in the world live and
work in Silicon Valley.

Todd
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Positions open for strategy coordinator contractors.

[Maggie Dennis]

Thanks for the question, Tomasz, and for the answer, Dan. :)

That's right - it's built into the form. I'm told it can't be removed.
Candidates based outside the U.S. are very welcome to apply! I'd guess that
the question may be relevant for some folks in the U.S., for instance
international students who do not have a work visa.

Best,

Maggie

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:41 AM, Dan Garry  wrote:

> On 31 January 2017 at 07:08, Tomasz Ganicz  wrote:
>
> > Just simple technical question. In the application form there is one
> tricky
> > question:
> >
> > "Are you legally authorized to work in the United States"
> >
> > I guess vast majority of potential candidates are not legally authorized
> to
> > work in US as they are citizens of countries which need a special
> > work-permit to be legally employed in US.  Does it mean they cannot apply
> > for this position or that WMF is able to organize  a work-permit for such
> > persons?
> >
>
> The work authorisation question is a standard one included in job postings,
> irrespective of work location. I would assume there are no issues with
> candidates based outside the United States applying, especially since all
> the new positions are advertised as "San Francisco, CA or Remote".
>
> Dan
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Publicpolicy] news events impacting the Foundation's ability to hire and its employees' ability to travel

[Todd Allen]

I think that's an interesting thought in general, but what used to be true
still is today. Europe in general, and the UK in particular, has
significantly weaker free speech guarantees than the US does. This
manifests in quite a few ways, from "hate speech" to "right to be
forgotten" to "superinjunctions" to prohibitions against publishing the
name of certain people accused of criminal acts.

Moving to Europe would oblige the WMF to follow these restrictions. How
would that be avoided? If anything, Canada might be a better option in that
regard, but still far from perfect.

Also, I'd dispute that London is inherently more creative and vibrant than
SV. Some of the most brilliant and creative people in the world live and
work in Silicon Valley.

Todd
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Positions open for strategy coordinator contractors.

[Dan Garry]

On 31 January 2017 at 07:08, Tomasz Ganicz  wrote:

> Just simple technical question. In the application form there is one tricky
> question:
>
> "Are you legally authorized to work in the United States"
>
> I guess vast majority of potential candidates are not legally authorized to
> work in US as they are citizens of countries which need a special
> work-permit to be legally employed in US.  Does it mean they cannot apply
> for this position or that WMF is able to organize  a work-permit for such
> persons?
>

The work authorisation question is a standard one included in job postings,
irrespective of work location. I would assume there are no issues with
candidates based outside the United States applying, especially since all
the new positions are advertised as "San Francisco, CA or Remote".

Dan

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Deutschland: Abraham Taherivand appointed permanent Executive Director

[Biplab Anand]

Congratulations Abraham and WMDE. Wish you all the best!

Best
Biplab
On 31 Jan 2017 15:43, "Fæ"  wrote:

> It great to see announcements keeping the community informed. Is there
> somewhere,  other than this list, for well wishers to leave their
> congratulations?
>
> Thanks
> Fae
>
> On 31 Jan 2017 08:25, "Saroj Dhakal"  wrote:
>
> Congratulations !
>
>
> Thanks,
> Saroj
>
> @sarojdhakal 
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 12:44 PM, NC Hasive  wrote:
>
> > ​Congratulations!
> >
> >
> > Hasive​
> > @nhasive
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Katy Love  wrote:
> >
> > > This news makes me happy. Abraham, you have served Wikidata and WMDE
> > well.
> > > :) Glad to hear you'll be sticking around for the long haul!
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Katy
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Tim Moritz Hector <
> > > tim-moritz.hec...@wikimedia.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Wikimedians,
> > > >
> > > > It is our great pleasure to announce that during last weekend’s Board
> > > > retreat, we voted to appoint Abraham Taherivand as Executive Director
> > of
> > > > Wikimedia Deutschland with immediate effect.
> > > >
> > > > Abraham has joined Wikimedia Deutschland in 2012, has been the
> director
> > > of
> > > > our Software Development department, and interim ED in the past two
> > > months.
> > > > In all his roles he has shown vast experience and qualifications as
> > well
> > > as
> > > > the much needed, deep commitment for Free Knowledge. We are convinced
> > > that
> > > > Abraham is the right person at the right time for Wikimedia
> Deutschland
> > > and
> > > > have great confidence that the management of the office is in good
> > hands
> > > > with him. Abraham will continue to lead the Software Development
> > > department
> > > > on an interim basis until we have been able to fill this position
> with
> > a
> > > > new permanent director.
> > > >
> > > > Together with Abraham, WMDE staff, our members and communities as
> well
> > as
> > > > other interested parties, the board will analyse and – where
> > applicable –
> > > > revise the composition of leadership and decision making structures
> at
> > > WMDE
> > > > in 2017. Kurt Jansson, Sebastian Moleski and myself will be steering
> > this
> > > > process and are available for your questions and feedback via email (
> > > > praesid...@wikimedia.de).
> > > >
> > > > We wish Abraham the very best in this role, and the Board looks
> forward
> > > to
> > > > continuing to work with him. Please join us in congratulating
> Abraham!
> > > >
> > > > For the Supervisory Board
> > > > Tim Moritz Hector
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Positions open for strategy coordinator contractors.

[Anders Wennersten]

Re: the Swedish Wikipedia is mostly just bot-created articles.

There are around 620 000 all manually created. Of the botcreated "seed" 
articles over 20 have been extended by manual effort, enabling us to 
for example have proper articles on all mammals in the world, all birds, 
all lakes in Sweden and Finland, which would otherwise have been 
impossible for a small wiki like ours. Of the others, we have a huge 
number being of great beneficial value. University students writing on 
parasite illnesses in animals really need the basic article created on 
the parasitises as such, and just the other day the enthusiast on 
mosquitoes living in Sweden who could concentrate on the name and where 
they exist and did not have to bother with the basic data of the  mosquitoes


We have also recently run into some problems re the last set of 
botgenerated articles, but this does not diminish the great value of the 
earlier sets.


Anders
(who with ease speak with my Norwegian friends and my Danish friend from 
the east part of Denmark)



Den 2017-01-31 kl. 15:38, skrev John Erling Blad:

In Scandinavia there are a bunch of closely related languages, they are
often referred to as North Germanic Languages.[
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Germanic_languages] Icelandic and
Faroese language is often referred to as Insular Scandinavian, West
Norwegian, or Old West Norse, and is somewhat different from the
Continental Scandinavian.

There are four midsized Wikipedias in Scandinavia; Swedish (3 782 560
articles, 2 950 active users), Bokmål (460 848 articles, 1 631 active
users), Danish (223 121 articles, 1 076 active users), and Nynorsk (132 213
articles, 205 active users). There are also two smaller Wikipedias;
Islandic (41 739 articles, 161 active users), and Faroese (12 418 articles,
44 active users). Yes the biggest in number of articles is the Swedish
Wikipedia, but it is mostly just bot-created articles.

Swedes have trouble speaking with both Norwegians and Danes, Danes have
lesser trouble with Swedish and even less with Norwegian, Norwegians have
virtually no problems wiith Swedish and Danish. People from Island and the
Faroe icelands usually speaks Danish, they learn it in school, and as
Norwegian and Danish is pretty close they usually understands Norwegians
without any problem. It is somewhat strange how much trouble Swedes have in
understanding the other Scandinavian languages, given that they are so
closely related.

The reason why you see signs with Swedish text on airports are because
Swedes have problems with all other Scandinavian languages. I'm not sure it
is wise to continue that "tradition". Get someone fluent in the
_Scandinavian_
  languages, it is not uncommon for people in Scandinavia to be speak and
write several of the languages, even all of them.

Yes, I'm a bit frustrated because I know that if a "language specialist" is
hired because (s)he knows Swedish the rest of the languages will be
forgotten. It is simply how things work in Scandinavia, Swedes are in
general introvert, the rest are extrovert. (Sorry Swedes!) Some says Sweden
geopolitically is located between Germany and France, and the rest of
Scandinavians wonder why they haven't noticed they are way up north…

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 8:01 PM, Maggie Dennis 
wrote:


Hello, all. :)

As you know, we are launching a movement strategy process and want people
from the community integrally involved at every stage. We are accordingly
seeking active Wikimedians interested in applying for a number of Community
Strategy Coordinator positions. The people hired for these positions will
be part-time, remote contractors of up to 20 hours a week with a contract
of 3 months. Start date should be in early March.

You can see the job descriptions and apply for the positions at <
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Work_with_us>, but here’s a quick
summary of who we’re looking for and what they’ll be doing:

*Language Specialist Strategy Coordinators*

These will be bilingual speakers of a specific list of non-English
languages[1] and English who are experienced in their language project
community or communities. They will be expected to be able to both conduct
deep outreach to these non-English communities and to liaise between these
communities and others, in order to maximize the ability of their
communities to participate in the movement strategy process. They will also
need to be capable of monitoring and summarizing discussions about strategy
topics and will be expected to produce a summary report at the end of their
contract.

*Metawiki Strategy Coordinators*

These facilitators need not be multilingual (although it is a plus), but
must be fluent in English and must be experienced contributors to one or
more Wikimedia communities. They will be working alongside the language
specialist coordinators, the global community, the Wikimedia Foundation and
the strategy team to facilitate the most inclusive strategy process

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Positions open for strategy coordinator contractors.

[Tomasz Ganicz]

Just simple technical question. In the application form there is one tricky
question:

"Are you legally authorized to work in the United States"

I guess vast majority of potential candidates are not legally authorized to
work in US as they are citizens of countries which need a special
work-permit to be legally employed in US.  Does it mean they cannot apply
for this position or that WMF is able to organize  a work-permit for such
persons?


2017-01-30 20:01 GMT+01:00 Maggie Dennis :

> Hello, all. :)
>
> As you know, we are launching a movement strategy process and want people
> from the community integrally involved at every stage. We are accordingly
> seeking active Wikimedians interested in applying for a number of Community
> Strategy Coordinator positions. The people hired for these positions will
> be part-time, remote contractors of up to 20 hours a week with a contract
> of 3 months. Start date should be in early March.
>
> You can see the job descriptions and apply for the positions at <
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Work_with_us>, but here’s a quick
> summary of who we’re looking for and what they’ll be doing:
>
> *Language Specialist Strategy Coordinators*
>
> These will be bilingual speakers of a specific list of non-English
> languages[1] and English who are experienced in their language project
> community or communities. They will be expected to be able to both conduct
> deep outreach to these non-English communities and to liaise between these
> communities and others, in order to maximize the ability of their
> communities to participate in the movement strategy process. They will also
> need to be capable of monitoring and summarizing discussions about strategy
> topics and will be expected to produce a summary report at the end of their
> contract.
>
> *Metawiki Strategy Coordinators*
>
> These facilitators need not be multilingual (although it is a plus), but
> must be fluent in English and must be experienced contributors to one or
> more Wikimedia communities. They will be working alongside the language
> specialist coordinators, the global community, the Wikimedia Foundation and
> the strategy team to facilitate the most inclusive strategy process
> possible. This will include outreach to global communities, offering their
> own community experience and advice to those involved in the process, and
> leading, monitoring, and summarizing strategy-related discussions. They
> will be expected to produce a summary report at the end of their contract.
>
> If you think either of these sounds like you or another community member
> you know, I encourage you to visit the job application page and review the
> job descriptions for more details (again, that's at <
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Work_with_us#Wikimedia_Careers>).
> Please tell us about your experiences as a Wikimedian and why you think you
> would be a good fit for this role. Our goal is to run the most inclusive
> strategy process we can, and that means we need experienced community
> members like you to help!
>
> Best,
>
> Maggie
>
>
> [1]
>
>- Arabic
>- Bengali
>- Chinese
>- Dutch
>- French
>- German
>- Hebrew
>- Hindi
>- Italian
>- Japanese
>- Malayam
>- Polish
>- Portuguese
>- Russian
>- Spanish
>- Swedish
>- Vietnamese
>
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> Director, Support, Safety and Programs
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Positions open for strategy coordinator contractors.

[John Erling Blad]

In Scandinavia there are a bunch of closely related languages, they are
often referred to as North Germanic Languages.[
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Germanic_languages] Icelandic and
Faroese language is often referred to as Insular Scandinavian, West
Norwegian, or Old West Norse, and is somewhat different from the
Continental Scandinavian.

There are four midsized Wikipedias in Scandinavia; Swedish (3 782 560
articles, 2 950 active users), Bokmål (460 848 articles, 1 631 active
users), Danish (223 121 articles, 1 076 active users), and Nynorsk (132 213
articles, 205 active users). There are also two smaller Wikipedias;
Islandic (41 739 articles, 161 active users), and Faroese (12 418 articles,
44 active users). Yes the biggest in number of articles is the Swedish
Wikipedia, but it is mostly just bot-created articles.

Swedes have trouble speaking with both Norwegians and Danes, Danes have
lesser trouble with Swedish and even less with Norwegian, Norwegians have
virtually no problems wiith Swedish and Danish. People from Island and the
Faroe icelands usually speaks Danish, they learn it in school, and as
Norwegian and Danish is pretty close they usually understands Norwegians
without any problem. It is somewhat strange how much trouble Swedes have in
understanding the other Scandinavian languages, given that they are so
closely related.

The reason why you see signs with Swedish text on airports are because
Swedes have problems with all other Scandinavian languages. I'm not sure it
is wise to continue that "tradition". Get someone fluent in the
_Scandinavian_
 languages, it is not uncommon for people in Scandinavia to be speak and
write several of the languages, even all of them.

Yes, I'm a bit frustrated because I know that if a "language specialist" is
hired because (s)he knows Swedish the rest of the languages will be
forgotten. It is simply how things work in Scandinavia, Swedes are in
general introvert, the rest are extrovert. (Sorry Swedes!) Some says Sweden
geopolitically is located between Germany and France, and the rest of
Scandinavians wonder why they haven't noticed they are way up north…

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 8:01 PM, Maggie Dennis 
wrote:

> Hello, all. :)
>
> As you know, we are launching a movement strategy process and want people
> from the community integrally involved at every stage. We are accordingly
> seeking active Wikimedians interested in applying for a number of Community
> Strategy Coordinator positions. The people hired for these positions will
> be part-time, remote contractors of up to 20 hours a week with a contract
> of 3 months. Start date should be in early March.
>
> You can see the job descriptions and apply for the positions at <
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Work_with_us>, but here’s a quick
> summary of who we’re looking for and what they’ll be doing:
>
> *Language Specialist Strategy Coordinators*
>
> These will be bilingual speakers of a specific list of non-English
> languages[1] and English who are experienced in their language project
> community or communities. They will be expected to be able to both conduct
> deep outreach to these non-English communities and to liaise between these
> communities and others, in order to maximize the ability of their
> communities to participate in the movement strategy process. They will also
> need to be capable of monitoring and summarizing discussions about strategy
> topics and will be expected to produce a summary report at the end of their
> contract.
>
> *Metawiki Strategy Coordinators*
>
> These facilitators need not be multilingual (although it is a plus), but
> must be fluent in English and must be experienced contributors to one or
> more Wikimedia communities. They will be working alongside the language
> specialist coordinators, the global community, the Wikimedia Foundation and
> the strategy team to facilitate the most inclusive strategy process
> possible. This will include outreach to global communities, offering their
> own community experience and advice to those involved in the process, and
> leading, monitoring, and summarizing strategy-related discussions. They
> will be expected to produce a summary report at the end of their contract.
>
> If you think either of these sounds like you or another community member
> you know, I encourage you to visit the job application page and review the
> job descriptions for more details (again, that's at <
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Work_with_us#Wikimedia_Careers>).
> Please tell us about your experiences as a Wikimedian and why you think you
> would be a good fit for this role. Our goal is to run the most inclusive
> strategy process we can, and that means we need experienced community
> members like you to help!
>
> Best,
>
> Maggie
>
>
> [1]
>
>- Arabic
>- Bengali
>- Chinese
>- Dutch
>- French
>- German
>- Hebrew
>- Hindi
>- Italian
>- Japanese
>- Malayam
>- Polish

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inspire Campaign on outside knowledge networks launches today!

[James Heilman]

We have been working with the volunteer organization translators without
borders since 2012. They have been an amazing group and it has been a very
fruitful collaboration.

J

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Chris "Jethro" Schilling <
cschill...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> I agree.  Working with other volunteer organizations would certainly be
> useful as well.  If you have some examples of volunteer organizations that
> I could provide as examples, I think it'd be helpful to add them on the
> landing page for the campaign so folks are aware of who they can consider
> reaching out to.
>
> - Chris
>
> Chris "Jethro" Schilling
> I JethroBT (WMF) 
> Community Organizer, Wikimedia Foundation
> 
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > There are all kinds of organisation like the WMF working on their own
> > little niche. This proposal firmly concentrates on the "official"
> knowledge
> > organisations. My experience is that they are as committed as we are to
> > bring quality information to the world.
> >
> > So far we absolutely refuse to acknowledge them for the work that they
> do.
> > There are plenty of examples where we do not connect. Would connecting to
> > other volunteer organisations with the goal to mutually bring our content
> > to a higher level of quality be considered?
> > Thanks,
> >  GerardM
> >
> >
> >
> > On 31 January 2017 at 12:20, Chris "Jethro" Schilling <
> > cschill...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > I am pleased to announce the launch of the fourth Inspire Campaign for
> > > IdeaLab, focused on outreach to outside knowledge networks:
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > There is tremendous potential in cooperative work between Wikimedia
> > > contributors and entities such as libraries (and other GLAM
> > > institutions[1]), cultural centers, content experts, and other sources
> of
> > > information. Such outreach can lead to rewarding collaborative efforts
> > > that, among many benefits, helps us create and offer better quality
> > content
> > > to readers.
> > >
> > > All types of proposals are welcome - research projects, software
> > > development, and naturally for this campaign, community organizing and
> > > outreach.  Wikimedia Foundation staff are also invited to advise on
> ideas
> > > they can offer support and guidance on. Project Grants[2] and Rapid
> > > Grants[3] are available for projects developed during this campaign
> that
> > > need financial support.  For ideas that do not require funding, I am
> > happy
> > > to provide general guidance on projects on how to bring your idea to
> > > action.  The campaign runs until 28 February.
> > >
> > > If you're interested in doing some outreach work to an institution,
> > > organization, or group in your area, or want to help with an existing
> > > outreach project, I encourage you to check out the submissions of this
> > > campaign!
> > >
> > > With thanks,
> > >
> > > Jethro
> > >
> > > [1] 
> > > [2] 
> > > [3] 
> > >
> > > Chris "Jethro" Schilling
> > > I JethroBT (WMF)  wiki/User:I_JethroBT_(WMF)>
> > > Community Organizer, Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inspire Campaign on outside knowledge networks launches today!

[Chris "Jethro" Schilling]

I agree.  Working with other volunteer organizations would certainly be
useful as well.  If you have some examples of volunteer organizations that
I could provide as examples, I think it'd be helpful to add them on the
landing page for the campaign so folks are aware of who they can consider
reaching out to.

- Chris

Chris "Jethro" Schilling
I JethroBT (WMF) 
Community Organizer, Wikimedia Foundation


On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> There are all kinds of organisation like the WMF working on their own
> little niche. This proposal firmly concentrates on the "official" knowledge
> organisations. My experience is that they are as committed as we are to
> bring quality information to the world.
>
> So far we absolutely refuse to acknowledge them for the work that they do.
> There are plenty of examples where we do not connect. Would connecting to
> other volunteer organisations with the goal to mutually bring our content
> to a higher level of quality be considered?
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
>
>
>
> On 31 January 2017 at 12:20, Chris "Jethro" Schilling <
> cschill...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I am pleased to announce the launch of the fourth Inspire Campaign for
> > IdeaLab, focused on outreach to outside knowledge networks:
> >
> > 
> >
> > There is tremendous potential in cooperative work between Wikimedia
> > contributors and entities such as libraries (and other GLAM
> > institutions[1]), cultural centers, content experts, and other sources of
> > information. Such outreach can lead to rewarding collaborative efforts
> > that, among many benefits, helps us create and offer better quality
> content
> > to readers.
> >
> > All types of proposals are welcome - research projects, software
> > development, and naturally for this campaign, community organizing and
> > outreach.  Wikimedia Foundation staff are also invited to advise on ideas
> > they can offer support and guidance on. Project Grants[2] and Rapid
> > Grants[3] are available for projects developed during this campaign that
> > need financial support.  For ideas that do not require funding, I am
> happy
> > to provide general guidance on projects on how to bring your idea to
> > action.  The campaign runs until 28 February.
> >
> > If you're interested in doing some outreach work to an institution,
> > organization, or group in your area, or want to help with an existing
> > outreach project, I encourage you to check out the submissions of this
> > campaign!
> >
> > With thanks,
> >
> > Jethro
> >
> > [1] 
> > [2] 
> > [3] 
> >
> > Chris "Jethro" Schilling
> > I JethroBT (WMF) 
> > Community Organizer, Wikimedia Foundation
> > 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inspire Campaign on outside knowledge networks launches today!

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
There are all kinds of organisation like the WMF working on their own
little niche. This proposal firmly concentrates on the "official" knowledge
organisations. My experience is that they are as committed as we are to
bring quality information to the world.

So far we absolutely refuse to acknowledge them for the work that they do.
There are plenty of examples where we do not connect. Would connecting to
other volunteer organisations with the goal to mutually bring our content
to a higher level of quality be considered?
Thanks,
 GerardM



On 31 January 2017 at 12:20, Chris "Jethro" Schilling <
cschill...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I am pleased to announce the launch of the fourth Inspire Campaign for
> IdeaLab, focused on outreach to outside knowledge networks:
>
> 
>
> There is tremendous potential in cooperative work between Wikimedia
> contributors and entities such as libraries (and other GLAM
> institutions[1]), cultural centers, content experts, and other sources of
> information. Such outreach can lead to rewarding collaborative efforts
> that, among many benefits, helps us create and offer better quality content
> to readers.
>
> All types of proposals are welcome - research projects, software
> development, and naturally for this campaign, community organizing and
> outreach.  Wikimedia Foundation staff are also invited to advise on ideas
> they can offer support and guidance on. Project Grants[2] and Rapid
> Grants[3] are available for projects developed during this campaign that
> need financial support.  For ideas that do not require funding, I am happy
> to provide general guidance on projects on how to bring your idea to
> action.  The campaign runs until 28 February.
>
> If you're interested in doing some outreach work to an institution,
> organization, or group in your area, or want to help with an existing
> outreach project, I encourage you to check out the submissions of this
> campaign!
>
> With thanks,
>
> Jethro
>
> [1] 
> [2] 
> [3] 
>
> Chris "Jethro" Schilling
> I JethroBT (WMF) 
> Community Organizer, Wikimedia Foundation
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[Wikimedia-l] Inspire Campaign on outside knowledge networks launches today!

[Chris "Jethro" Schilling]

Hi everyone,

I am pleased to announce the launch of the fourth Inspire Campaign for
IdeaLab, focused on outreach to outside knowledge networks:



There is tremendous potential in cooperative work between Wikimedia
contributors and entities such as libraries (and other GLAM
institutions[1]), cultural centers, content experts, and other sources of
information. Such outreach can lead to rewarding collaborative efforts
that, among many benefits, helps us create and offer better quality content
to readers.

All types of proposals are welcome - research projects, software
development, and naturally for this campaign, community organizing and
outreach.  Wikimedia Foundation staff are also invited to advise on ideas
they can offer support and guidance on. Project Grants[2] and Rapid
Grants[3] are available for projects developed during this campaign that
need financial support.  For ideas that do not require funding, I am happy
to provide general guidance on projects on how to bring your idea to
action.  The campaign runs until 28 February.

If you're interested in doing some outreach work to an institution,
organization, or group in your area, or want to help with an existing
outreach project, I encourage you to check out the submissions of this
campaign!

With thanks,

Jethro

[1] 
[2] 
[3] 

Chris "Jethro" Schilling
I JethroBT (WMF) 
Community Organizer, Wikimedia Foundation

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Publicpolicy] news events impacting the Foundation's ability to hire and its employees' ability to travel

[Rogol Domedonfors]

James

I think this is a very interesting point.  Why is the WMF so dependent on
being able to hire staff in one location?  I seem to  recall suggesting
some time ago that they should diversify their location globally in the
inerests of innovation and efficiency.  It would have done them good to gt
out of the Silicon Valley bubble a long time ago.  Perhaps the most
effective action they could take, that would be thoroughly in the long-term
interests of the mission and also probably agreeable to the inclinations of
the majority of staff and contributors, would be to move the bulk of their
operations out of the USA altogether.  That would be a very powerfful
message.  I am sure London would welcome the WMF, and the WMF would find it
a more vibrant and creative hub than San Francisco.

"Rogol"

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 8:46 AM, Todd Allen  wrote:

> The issue is not just in the current post, but that this is, I believe, the
> third or so time that the same person has brought up the subject in as many
> days. Bringing a subject up once is one thing. Bringing it up repeatedly is
> inherently discourteous because it clogs the mailing list.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Deutschland: Abraham Taherivand appointed permanent Executive Director

[Fæ]

It great to see announcements keeping the community informed. Is there
somewhere,  other than this list, for well wishers to leave their
congratulations?

Thanks
Fae

On 31 Jan 2017 08:25, "Saroj Dhakal"  wrote:

Congratulations !


Thanks,
Saroj

@sarojdhakal 

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 12:44 PM, NC Hasive  wrote:

> ​Congratulations!
>
>
> Hasive​
> @nhasive
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Katy Love  wrote:
>
> > This news makes me happy. Abraham, you have served Wikidata and WMDE
> well.
> > :) Glad to hear you'll be sticking around for the long haul!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Katy
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Tim Moritz Hector <
> > tim-moritz.hec...@wikimedia.de> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Wikimedians,
> > >
> > > It is our great pleasure to announce that during last weekend’s Board
> > > retreat, we voted to appoint Abraham Taherivand as Executive Director
> of
> > > Wikimedia Deutschland with immediate effect.
> > >
> > > Abraham has joined Wikimedia Deutschland in 2012, has been the
director
> > of
> > > our Software Development department, and interim ED in the past two
> > months.
> > > In all his roles he has shown vast experience and qualifications as
> well
> > as
> > > the much needed, deep commitment for Free Knowledge. We are convinced
> > that
> > > Abraham is the right person at the right time for Wikimedia
Deutschland
> > and
> > > have great confidence that the management of the office is in good
> hands
> > > with him. Abraham will continue to lead the Software Development
> > department
> > > on an interim basis until we have been able to fill this position with
> a
> > > new permanent director.
> > >
> > > Together with Abraham, WMDE staff, our members and communities as well
> as
> > > other interested parties, the board will analyse and – where
> applicable –
> > > revise the composition of leadership and decision making structures at
> > WMDE
> > > in 2017. Kurt Jansson, Sebastian Moleski and myself will be steering
> this
> > > process and are available for your questions and feedback via email (
> > > praesid...@wikimedia.de).
> > >
> > > We wish Abraham the very best in this role, and the Board looks
forward
> > to
> > > continuing to work with him. Please join us in congratulating Abraham!
> > >
> > > For the Supervisory Board
> > > Tim Moritz Hector
> > > Chair
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Publicpolicy] news events impacting the Foundation's ability to hire and its employees' ability to travel

[Todd Allen]

The issue is not just in the current post, but that this is, I believe, the
third or so time that the same person has brought up the subject in as many
days. Bringing a subject up once is one thing. Bringing it up repeatedly is
inherently discourteous because it clogs the mailing list.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Deutschland: Abraham Taherivand appointed permanent Executive Director

[Saroj Dhakal]

Congratulations !


Thanks,
Saroj

@sarojdhakal 

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 12:44 PM, NC Hasive  wrote:

> ​Congratulations!
>
>
> Hasive​
> @nhasive
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Katy Love  wrote:
>
> > This news makes me happy. Abraham, you have served Wikidata and WMDE
> well.
> > :) Glad to hear you'll be sticking around for the long haul!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Katy
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Tim Moritz Hector <
> > tim-moritz.hec...@wikimedia.de> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Wikimedians,
> > >
> > > It is our great pleasure to announce that during last weekend’s Board
> > > retreat, we voted to appoint Abraham Taherivand as Executive Director
> of
> > > Wikimedia Deutschland with immediate effect.
> > >
> > > Abraham has joined Wikimedia Deutschland in 2012, has been the director
> > of
> > > our Software Development department, and interim ED in the past two
> > months.
> > > In all his roles he has shown vast experience and qualifications as
> well
> > as
> > > the much needed, deep commitment for Free Knowledge. We are convinced
> > that
> > > Abraham is the right person at the right time for Wikimedia Deutschland
> > and
> > > have great confidence that the management of the office is in good
> hands
> > > with him. Abraham will continue to lead the Software Development
> > department
> > > on an interim basis until we have been able to fill this position with
> a
> > > new permanent director.
> > >
> > > Together with Abraham, WMDE staff, our members and communities as well
> as
> > > other interested parties, the board will analyse and – where
> applicable –
> > > revise the composition of leadership and decision making structures at
> > WMDE
> > > in 2017. Kurt Jansson, Sebastian Moleski and myself will be steering
> this
> > > process and are available for your questions and feedback via email (
> > > praesid...@wikimedia.de).
> > >
> > > We wish Abraham the very best in this role, and the Board looks forward
> > to
> > > continuing to work with him. Please join us in congratulating Abraham!
> > >
> > > For the Supervisory Board
> > > Tim Moritz Hector
> > > Chair
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