[Wikimedia-l] Open call for Project Grant proposals (Feb 13-Mar 14)

[Marti Johnson]

Hi everyone,

The Wikimedia Foundation Project Grants program launches its third open
call today, February 13.  We will be accepting proposals through March 14
for new ideas to improve Wikimedia projects. <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project>

Funds are available to support individuals, groups and organizations to
implement new experiments and proven ideas, whether focused on building a
new tool or gadget, organizing a better process on your wiki, researching
an important issue, coordinating an editathon series or providing other
support for community-building.

Ideas from the current Inspire Campaign on developing outside knowledge
networks are very welcome. <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire>

We will be hosting weekly proposals clinics via Hangouts for real-time
discussions about the Project Grants Open Call.  Links for Hangouts will be
posted by tomorrow here: <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project#Upcoming_events>


In addition, we have just launched our new tutorial videos to help guide
applicants through key portions of the proposal writing process: <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Tutorial>

We are excited to see your grant ideas that will support our community and
make an impact on the future of Wikimedia projects.  Put your idea into
motion, and submit your proposal between February 13 and March 14! <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Apply>

Please feel free to get in touch with me (mjohn...@wikimedia.org) or Alex
Wang (aw...@wikimedia.org) with questions about getting started with your
project!

Warm regards,

Marti


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Niels Christian Nielsen appointed to Wikimedia Endowment Advisory Board

[Risker]

What Vito said.  The Wikimedia Foundation Endowment is *not* notable, and
in fact if a similar article had been written about a similar non-Wikimedia
related endowment, I'd be busy trying to figure out who the paid editor was
who was creating such an article.  Because, yes, that draft is precisely
what I'd expect to see from a paid editor.   That it's being written by an
experienced and well-respected Wikimedian doesn't mean it's a notable
endowment.  Once it gets to USD 100 million, then we can start talking
about whether or not it deserves an article.

This entire thread is a serious symptom of the self-referencing and
parochialism that many outsiders see within our community.  The circular
argument that, since someone has something to do with a "board" of
Wikimedia, they must by definition be notable is pretty seriously
problematic. *We* think Wikimedia is important, but really there are very,
very few past or present Wikimedia board members who are notable outside of
a very small circle. We're really not that big or important of a charity.
And there isn't a person participating in this thread who is unaware of the
real harms that have come as a result of the publishing of biographical
information of notable-only-on-Wikipedia people. Please stop doing this.

Risker/Anne



On 13 February 2017 at 19:43, Vi to  wrote:

> I find all of these to be deeply non relevant. Though they might be
> relevant according to standard en.wiki practice, I wonder whatever someone
> would had written a line about a to-be-created relatively small endowment
> of a website(s) or people managing it, unless it was "our" website(s).
>
> Also I disagree with Wikipedia doing something similar to investigative
> journalism (above all for "internal" usage) rather than being a "simple"
> encyclopedia.
>
> Vito
>
> 2017-02-14 1:31 GMT+01:00 Michael Peel :
>
> > Not quite what you were after, Fæ, but I've started a draft of an enwp
> > article on the endowment at:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Wikimedia_Endowment <
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Wikimedia_Endowment>
> > If anyone else wants to help write this, then please edit away!
> >
> > I'm concerned that Nielsen is being referred to as a 'permanent member'
> of
> > the board - doesn't the advisory board have terms? Also, will we be
> seeing
> > community members being appointed (or elected) to this board at some
> point?
> >
> > BTW, the Wikimedia blog doesn't provide much information to the autofill
> > references function on enwp! Also, we only seem to have freely-licensed
> > images of Jimmy, and none of the rest of the advisory board - can
> something
> > be done about that?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
> >
> > > On 13 Feb 2017, at 18:57, Anna Stillwell 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > The second link you offered, Fae, is the wrong Niels Christian Nielsen.
> > > /a
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Fæ  wrote:
> > >
> > >> +1 on the request for links to all the past meeting agendas and
> > >> publicly published minutes. I will be very interested to read any
> > >> declarations of conflicts of interest. The board is intended to
> > >> eventually control $100,000,000, so should be seen to be applying
> > >> absolutely the most transparent and well governed processes.
> > >>
> > >> I am surprised to discover that anyone that has served as the chairman
> > >> of 12 companies and "has advised governments in Scandinavia, Spain,
> > >> Portugal, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, the US, Canada, and Turkey"
> > >> does not have a Wikipedia article, at least I have yet to find one.
> > >>
> > >> Could someone work on creating one please? It would be great to read a
> > >> profile that has all the nuts & bolts, rather than written with PR in
> > >> mind. No doubt the blog post [1] and staff profiles at the University
> > >> of California Berkeley and the Copenhagen Business School [2] should
> > >> be reliable enough starting point for Wikipedia.
> > >>
> > >> Links:
> > >> 1. https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/02/13/niels-christian-
> > >> nielsen-endowment-board
> > >> 2. http://www.cbs.dk/en/research/departments-and-centres/
> > >> department-of-finance/staff/ncnfi
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Fae
> > >>
> > >> On 13 February 2017 at 19:54, James Salsman 
> wrote:
> > >>> Regarding
> > >>> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/02/13/niels-christian-
> > >> nielsen-endowment-board/
> > >>>
> > >>> What have the funds of the organizations Nielsen manages returned?
> Have
> > >>> they matched the returns of commercial endowment-grade mutual funds?
> I
> > >>> refer to my comments here:
> > >>>
> > >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-
> > >> December/085694.html
> > >>>
> > >>> Has the Endowment Advisory Board met yet? If so, where are its
> minutes?
> > >> If
> > >>> not, when will it meet and where will the agenda and minutes be
> > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] community survey request

[Bill Takatoshi]

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 6:03 PM, Nathan  wrote:
>
> What would your intended use of the results of such a survey be? How do you
> think the community, or any group of people, should interpret, value and
> react to the results?

I only intend that the results be published as soon as possible. As I
pointed out over a week ago, several different people on this have
made more than ten proposals, most of which can not reasonably be
acted on until we know the opinions of the volunteer community.
Without that information, none of the remaining proposals are likely
to go anywhere.

-Will

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] community survey request

[Nathan]

What would your intended use of the results of such a survey be? How do you
think the community, or any group of people, should interpret, value and
react to the results?

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 7:59 PM, Bill Takatoshi 
wrote:

> When a contentious question about the community's opinion is
> preventing consideration of one or more proposals, what is the best
> way forward, in general?
>
> I am considering commissioning a survey of community opinion from a
> neutral and respected third party who has published a well-received
> survey of English wikipedians a few years ago.
>
> The Foundation is not willing to help, in part because, "Reaching
> consensus on what wording to use, the quality of the results, and how
> to interpret the results will be very challenging and take significant
> amount of time." I would argue that not doing such a survey, or
> relying on opt-in methods like RFCs, are both worse than obtaining a
> respected third party to perform a straw poll of recent editors with
> an established history of contributions composed of a few unambiguous
> opinion questions.
>
> If I did this, would anyone object to a gofundme intended to recover
> the cost of commissioning the survey on a voluntary basis?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] community survey request

[Bill Takatoshi]

When a contentious question about the community's opinion is
preventing consideration of one or more proposals, what is the best
way forward, in general?

I am considering commissioning a survey of community opinion from a
neutral and respected third party who has published a well-received
survey of English wikipedians a few years ago.

The Foundation is not willing to help, in part because, "Reaching
consensus on what wording to use, the quality of the results, and how
to interpret the results will be very challenging and take significant
amount of time." I would argue that not doing such a survey, or
relying on opt-in methods like RFCs, are both worse than obtaining a
respected third party to perform a straw poll of recent editors with
an established history of contributions composed of a few unambiguous
opinion questions.

If I did this, would anyone object to a gofundme intended to recover
the cost of commissioning the survey on a voluntary basis?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Niels Christian Nielsen appointed to Wikimedia Endowment Advisory Board

[Vi to]

I find all of these to be deeply non relevant. Though they might be
relevant according to standard en.wiki practice, I wonder whatever someone
would had written a line about a to-be-created relatively small endowment
of a website(s) or people managing it, unless it was "our" website(s).

Also I disagree with Wikipedia doing something similar to investigative
journalism (above all for "internal" usage) rather than being a "simple"
encyclopedia.

Vito

2017-02-14 1:31 GMT+01:00 Michael Peel :

> Not quite what you were after, Fæ, but I've started a draft of an enwp
> article on the endowment at:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Wikimedia_Endowment <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Wikimedia_Endowment>
> If anyone else wants to help write this, then please edit away!
>
> I'm concerned that Nielsen is being referred to as a 'permanent member' of
> the board - doesn't the advisory board have terms? Also, will we be seeing
> community members being appointed (or elected) to this board at some point?
>
> BTW, the Wikimedia blog doesn't provide much information to the autofill
> references function on enwp! Also, we only seem to have freely-licensed
> images of Jimmy, and none of the rest of the advisory board - can something
> be done about that?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> > On 13 Feb 2017, at 18:57, Anna Stillwell 
> wrote:
> >
> > The second link you offered, Fae, is the wrong Niels Christian Nielsen.
> > /a
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Fæ  wrote:
> >
> >> +1 on the request for links to all the past meeting agendas and
> >> publicly published minutes. I will be very interested to read any
> >> declarations of conflicts of interest. The board is intended to
> >> eventually control $100,000,000, so should be seen to be applying
> >> absolutely the most transparent and well governed processes.
> >>
> >> I am surprised to discover that anyone that has served as the chairman
> >> of 12 companies and "has advised governments in Scandinavia, Spain,
> >> Portugal, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, the US, Canada, and Turkey"
> >> does not have a Wikipedia article, at least I have yet to find one.
> >>
> >> Could someone work on creating one please? It would be great to read a
> >> profile that has all the nuts & bolts, rather than written with PR in
> >> mind. No doubt the blog post [1] and staff profiles at the University
> >> of California Berkeley and the Copenhagen Business School [2] should
> >> be reliable enough starting point for Wikipedia.
> >>
> >> Links:
> >> 1. https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/02/13/niels-christian-
> >> nielsen-endowment-board
> >> 2. http://www.cbs.dk/en/research/departments-and-centres/
> >> department-of-finance/staff/ncnfi
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Fae
> >>
> >> On 13 February 2017 at 19:54, James Salsman  wrote:
> >>> Regarding
> >>> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/02/13/niels-christian-
> >> nielsen-endowment-board/
> >>>
> >>> What have the funds of the organizations Nielsen manages returned? Have
> >>> they matched the returns of commercial endowment-grade mutual funds? I
> >>> refer to my comments here:
> >>>
> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-
> >> December/085694.html
> >>>
> >>> Has the Endowment Advisory Board met yet? If so, where are its minutes?
> >> If
> >>> not, when will it meet and where will the agenda and minutes be
> >> published?
> >>>
> >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Niels Christian Nielsen appointed to Wikimedia Endowment Advisory Board

[Michael Peel]

Not quite what you were after, Fæ, but I've started a draft of an enwp article 
on the endowment at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Wikimedia_Endowment 

If anyone else wants to help write this, then please edit away!

I'm concerned that Nielsen is being referred to as a 'permanent member' of the 
board - doesn't the advisory board have terms? Also, will we be seeing 
community members being appointed (or elected) to this board at some point?

BTW, the Wikimedia blog doesn't provide much information to the autofill 
references function on enwp! Also, we only seem to have freely-licensed images 
of Jimmy, and none of the rest of the advisory board - can something be done 
about that?

Thanks,
Mike

> On 13 Feb 2017, at 18:57, Anna Stillwell  wrote:
> 
> The second link you offered, Fae, is the wrong Niels Christian Nielsen.
> /a
> 
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Fæ  wrote:
> 
>> +1 on the request for links to all the past meeting agendas and
>> publicly published minutes. I will be very interested to read any
>> declarations of conflicts of interest. The board is intended to
>> eventually control $100,000,000, so should be seen to be applying
>> absolutely the most transparent and well governed processes.
>> 
>> I am surprised to discover that anyone that has served as the chairman
>> of 12 companies and "has advised governments in Scandinavia, Spain,
>> Portugal, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, the US, Canada, and Turkey"
>> does not have a Wikipedia article, at least I have yet to find one.
>> 
>> Could someone work on creating one please? It would be great to read a
>> profile that has all the nuts & bolts, rather than written with PR in
>> mind. No doubt the blog post [1] and staff profiles at the University
>> of California Berkeley and the Copenhagen Business School [2] should
>> be reliable enough starting point for Wikipedia.
>> 
>> Links:
>> 1. https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/02/13/niels-christian-
>> nielsen-endowment-board
>> 2. http://www.cbs.dk/en/research/departments-and-centres/
>> department-of-finance/staff/ncnfi
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Fae
>> 
>> On 13 February 2017 at 19:54, James Salsman  wrote:
>>> Regarding
>>> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/02/13/niels-christian-
>> nielsen-endowment-board/
>>> 
>>> What have the funds of the organizations Nielsen manages returned? Have
>>> they matched the returns of commercial endowment-grade mutual funds? I
>>> refer to my comments here:
>>> 
>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-
>> December/085694.html
>>> 
>>> Has the Endowment Advisory Board met yet? If so, where are its minutes?
>> If
>>> not, when will it meet and where will the agenda and minutes be
>> published?
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Niels Christian Nielsen appointed to Wikimedia Endowment Advisory Board

[Anna Stillwell]

The second link you offered, Fae, is the wrong Niels Christian Nielsen.
/a

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Fæ  wrote:

> +1 on the request for links to all the past meeting agendas and
> publicly published minutes. I will be very interested to read any
> declarations of conflicts of interest. The board is intended to
> eventually control $100,000,000, so should be seen to be applying
> absolutely the most transparent and well governed processes.
>
> I am surprised to discover that anyone that has served as the chairman
> of 12 companies and "has advised governments in Scandinavia, Spain,
> Portugal, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, the US, Canada, and Turkey"
> does not have a Wikipedia article, at least I have yet to find one.
>
> Could someone work on creating one please? It would be great to read a
> profile that has all the nuts & bolts, rather than written with PR in
> mind. No doubt the blog post [1] and staff profiles at the University
> of California Berkeley and the Copenhagen Business School [2] should
> be reliable enough starting point for Wikipedia.
>
> Links:
> 1. https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/02/13/niels-christian-
> nielsen-endowment-board
> 2. http://www.cbs.dk/en/research/departments-and-centres/
> department-of-finance/staff/ncnfi
>
> Thanks,
> Fae
>
> On 13 February 2017 at 19:54, James Salsman  wrote:
> > Regarding
> > https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/02/13/niels-christian-
> nielsen-endowment-board/
> >
> > What have the funds of the organizations Nielsen manages returned? Have
> > they matched the returns of commercial endowment-grade mutual funds? I
> > refer to my comments here:
> >
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-
> December/085694.html
> >
> > Has the Endowment Advisory Board met yet? If so, where are its minutes?
> If
> > not, when will it meet and where will the agenda and minutes be
> published?
> >
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Niels Christian Nielsen appointed to Wikimedia Endowment Advisory Board

[Fæ]

+1 on the request for links to all the past meeting agendas and
publicly published minutes. I will be very interested to read any
declarations of conflicts of interest. The board is intended to
eventually control $100,000,000, so should be seen to be applying
absolutely the most transparent and well governed processes.

I am surprised to discover that anyone that has served as the chairman
of 12 companies and "has advised governments in Scandinavia, Spain,
Portugal, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, the US, Canada, and Turkey"
does not have a Wikipedia article, at least I have yet to find one.

Could someone work on creating one please? It would be great to read a
profile that has all the nuts & bolts, rather than written with PR in
mind. No doubt the blog post [1] and staff profiles at the University
of California Berkeley and the Copenhagen Business School [2] should
be reliable enough starting point for Wikipedia.

Links:
1. https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/02/13/niels-christian-nielsen-endowment-board
2. 
http://www.cbs.dk/en/research/departments-and-centres/department-of-finance/staff/ncnfi

Thanks,
Fae

On 13 February 2017 at 19:54, James Salsman  wrote:
> Regarding
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/02/13/niels-christian-nielsen-endowment-board/
>
> What have the funds of the organizations Nielsen manages returned? Have
> they matched the returns of commercial endowment-grade mutual funds? I
> refer to my comments here:
>
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-December/085694.html
>
> Has the Endowment Advisory Board met yet? If so, where are its minutes? If
> not, when will it meet and where will the agenda and minutes be published?
>

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Niels Christian Nielsen appointed to Wikimedia Endowment Advisory Board

[James Salsman]

Regarding
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/02/13/niels-christian-nielsen-endowment-board/

What have the funds of the organizations Nielsen manages returned? Have
they matched the returns of commercial endowment-grade mutual funds? I
refer to my comments here:

https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-December/085694.html

Has the Endowment Advisory Board met yet? If so, where are its minutes? If
not, when will it meet and where will the agenda and minutes be published?

Sincerely,
Jim Salsman
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if the posts are respectful and on-topic, they would be let through.

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On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:50 AM Rogol Domedonfors 
wrote:

> There are words in other languages that have a rude, upleasant,
> disrespectful or pejorative meaning in British English.  For an amusing
> list of examples, see the Oxford Dictionary blog at
> http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2016/02/words-that-sound-rude/
>
> I presume that I'm entitled to be complain when they are used in email list
> exchanges, even when those exchanges are being conducted primarily in those
> other languages?
>
> Returning now to the subject of the thread, I have no problem with Gerard's
> posts, even if I have not always found them easy to understand, and see no
> special reason to restrict his access to this list.
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Florence Devouard 
> wrote:
>
> > Same in French...
> >
> >
> > Le 13/02/2017 à 12:35, John Erling Blad a écrit :
> >
> >> It is common to refer to those that cooperated with the Nazis during
> WWII
> >> as "kollaboratører" (kollaborators) in Norwegian too.
> >> https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kollaborat%C3%B8r
> >>
> >> Translating between languages are fun! =)
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> 13. feb. 2017 09.08 skrev "Jane Darnell" :
> >>
> >> … The only disrespectful
> >> thing I could find in his recent edits was his remark that he is not a
> >> collaborator because his cultural heritage assumes "collaborators" are
> >> "nazis", which is offensive in English. I would like to point out here
> >> that
> >> the word collaborator really does mean nazi in Dutch. It's one of many
> >> translation challenges, so there is even a Wikipedia article that spells
> >> it
> >> all out:
> >> https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboratie
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[Wikimedia-l] Wes Moran

[Victoria Coleman]

Hi everyone,

By now you will all have heard that Wes  has decided to find a new adventure 
and will be leaving the Foundation.  I wanted to take a moment and offer my 
sincere thanks to him not only for his contribution to the Foundation and the 
Movement these past two years (which has been enormous) but also for his 
amazing support to me personally as I came into the CTO role and began to find 
my feet. I could not have wished for a better partner and I am truly sad that 
he chosen to follow a path outside the Foundation. But as I have told him, jobs 
may come and go but friendships last a lifetime and I know we will be friends 
for a long time! Wes, you are a man of exceptional grace and I look forward to 
continuing to work with you in the movement. 

I also wanted to say that in the time I have been in the Foundation I have come 
to know and admire what Toby Negrin and his team has achieved. Toby, you have 
shown great leadership and your drive for results is benefiting our communities 
day in day out. I look forward to working with you as you step in the acting 
Product leadership role.

We have exciting times  ahead of us. With the movement strategy coming down the 
pike later in the year, we will get the engineering side of the house ready to 
support it. And in the meantime we have so many great opportunities to build on 
our strengths to server the movement and our communities better. This is  a 
great time to be here!

Warm regards,

Victoria
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes at WMF

[Pine W]

Hi Wes, I want to thank you for persevering through thick and thin, and
your courtesy and receptivity. I am more grateful to you than you know, and
I hope to keep in touch with you after you depart WMF.

Toby, thank you for stepping up. I think you're a good choice for this role.

Regards,

Pine


On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Wes Moran  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> After a great deal of consideration, I have decided that I need to take a
> different path for my life and I am moving on from the Wikimedia
> Foundation.  I have struggled with this decision as I have great admiration
> for the mission and the people here. I have great appreciation for how we
> worked together over the past two years, and great pride in what we have
> accomplished. The wide range of experiences have been amazing, and it feels
> like many more years than just two.
>
> I am looking at a departure date of Feb 28th. Until that time, I will be
> supporting the Product teams through the first draft of Annual Planning.
> Katherine Maher, Victoria Coleman and I will work together with people
> across the Product and Technology departments, to develop a transition plan
> that is in the best interest of the teams I support, the Foundation, and
> our movement.
>
> Toby Negrin, currently the Head of Reading, will take over as acting
> leadership for Product on 2/28. He has been working closely with me on many
> of the key programs and initiatives our department has been planning. He
> and the rest of Product leadership will continue with our Annual Planning
> efforts and conclude the 2016-17 goals and programs.
>
> It has been such a deep honor to work with the folks in Technology and
> Product. I started here with Discovery, and have a special respect for what
> that team has accomplished as it evolved. The opportunity to lead Product,
> work with chapters like Wikimedia Deutschland, engage with the communities,
> and collaborate at the C-level was exciting and humbling. I was happy to
> work with the Product teams as they evolved into audiences and ultimately a
> Product organization focused on users and their needs. A testament to their
> excellent work is summarized in our 2016 Product summary
> 
> [1]. Working with the folks in Technology to find our CTO was exciting,
> challenging, and illuminating. It was a wonderful and unexpected path that
> would not have been possible without the great support of that team. There
> are so many partnerships both with teams and individuals across this
> organization and other organizations that I had the chance to engage and
> work together with.
>
> I have a great deal of respect and confidence in all of you to propel us
> through the Movement, Foundation and team strategies and goals in the next
> two years. Similarly I am proud of the stands we take and voices we lend as
> we all work to protect and project freedom, and the public availability of
> the sum of all knowledge. I hope to help support that as a volunteer in
> whatever way I can.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Wes
>
>
> Vice President of Product, Wikimedia Foundation
>
> [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Product/2016_Product_Summary
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes at WMF

[Shlomi Fish]

Hi Wes,

On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 12:19:03 -0500
Wes Moran  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> After a great deal of consideration, I have decided that I need to take a
> different path for my life and I am moving on from the Wikimedia
> Foundation.  I have struggled with this decision as I have great admiration
> for the mission and the people here. I have great appreciation for how we
> worked together over the past two years, and great pride in what we have
> accomplished. The wide range of experiences have been amazing, and it feels
> like many more years than just two.
> 

Thanks for everything and good luck in your future endeavours.

Regards,

Shlomi Fish


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes at WMF

[Katherine Maher]

Wes,

Thank you for everything. We are going to certainly miss you!

For those who have been here a shorter length of time, or don’t know Wes as
well, I want to take a moment to recognize his contributions.

Wes joined us in April 2015 as the leader of the newly-created Discovery
team, entering into a department that had gone through a difficult
reorganization. This team was tasked with the knowledge engine project,
which was not well understood through the organization. Wes worked
tirelessly to unpack the confusion, putting ideas into wikis and slides,
providing roadmaps, milestones and timelines. He and the team communicated
clearly and consistently about how their work would benefit our readers and
communities, building trust and confidence. He encouraged a focus on user
needs in his team, and throughout the product organization. Wes looked
after his team throughout - I know I wished I could have joined them on
their off-site at NASA’s launch center Cape Canaveral, where they went to
witness what human discovery looks like at its outer limits.

In October 2015, Wes took on leadership of the broader product
organization, stepping into the role of VP of Product. He joined us at the
c-team, offering steady perspective and strong advocacy for the needs of
the department. In November of 2015, his responsibilities grew even
greater, taking on the role of interim CTO and leadership for the entire
Technology department. Wes took this all in with grace and equanimity,
working long hours to ensure that he could be available to those who needed
him across these two large and essential teams.

Throughout, Wes was entirely clear about his goals and aspirations: he
believed in the mission, he would do anything he could to ensure that his
team and colleagues had the support they needed to succeed, and he would
work with anyone he needed to in order to make that happen. He played a
critical role in ensuring our directors in Technology were empowered to
lead the search for Victoria, our fantastic new CTO, and he was the lead
person in our partnership with Wikimedia Deutschland in making a long-term
commitment to Wikidata.

Wes, I am so grateful for your generosity, perseverance, and leadership.
You came into the organization at a challenging time, you took on one
difficult role after another, and you did it all with good faith and great
kindness. You’ve earned the friendship of many across the organization, and
we will certainly feel your absence.

*Next Steps*

When Wes let me know he was going to be leaving us, he also let me know
that he felt his departure was an opportunity to consider how we evolve the
Product organization for the future. We’ll be having a conversation in the
Foundation about how we might do this. At the end, we’ll hope to have a
perspective on what is going well and should stay the same, what capacity
we need and don’t have, and where things should move around to make more
sense (the recent creation of the WMCS team is a great example of how this
could work.) In practical terms, we’re not rushing this. Teams are busy
with annual planning, and there’s no need for haste. I’m just mentioning it
here so it doesn’t surprise anyone.

As Wes mentioned, Toby Negrin has generously agreed to take over as interim
head of the Product organization beginning on February 28. In this acting
role, Toby will oversee the Product department as we work to develop the
2017-2018 annual plan, and bring the efforts of our 2016-17 plan to a
close. He will also continue, for the time being, to oversee the Reading
and Community Tech teams. He’ll work closely with Anna, Victoria, and
myself in consulting with the organization about our future needs.

Toby joined the Foundation three and a half years ago as head of the
Analytics team. In 2015, he assumed the role of head of Reading and
Community Tech and has since led his department with a commitment to the
needs our readers and the community. Please join me in thanking Toby for
taking on this additional responsibility and important role.

Wes, thank you again. We will miss you, so please remember that the wikis
are always open, and you are always welcome back!

Yours,
Katherine

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Wes Moran  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> After a great deal of consideration, I have decided that I need to take a
> different path for my life and I am moving on from the Wikimedia
> Foundation.  I have struggled with this decision as I have great admiration
> for the mission and the people here. I have great appreciation for how we
> worked together over the past two years, and great pride in what we have
> accomplished. The wide range of experiences have been amazing, and it feels
> like many more years than just two.
>
> I am looking at a departure date of Feb 28th. Until that time, I will be
> supporting the Product teams through the first draft of Annual Planning.
> Katherine Maher, Victoria Coleman and I will work together with people
> 

[Wikimedia-l] Changes at WMF

[Wes Moran]

Hello everyone,

After a great deal of consideration, I have decided that I need to take a
different path for my life and I am moving on from the Wikimedia
Foundation.  I have struggled with this decision as I have great admiration
for the mission and the people here. I have great appreciation for how we
worked together over the past two years, and great pride in what we have
accomplished. The wide range of experiences have been amazing, and it feels
like many more years than just two.

I am looking at a departure date of Feb 28th. Until that time, I will be
supporting the Product teams through the first draft of Annual Planning.
Katherine Maher, Victoria Coleman and I will work together with people
across the Product and Technology departments, to develop a transition plan
that is in the best interest of the teams I support, the Foundation, and
our movement.

Toby Negrin, currently the Head of Reading, will take over as acting
leadership for Product on 2/28. He has been working closely with me on many
of the key programs and initiatives our department has been planning. He
and the rest of Product leadership will continue with our Annual Planning
efforts and conclude the 2016-17 goals and programs.

It has been such a deep honor to work with the folks in Technology and
Product. I started here with Discovery, and have a special respect for what
that team has accomplished as it evolved. The opportunity to lead Product,
work with chapters like Wikimedia Deutschland, engage with the communities,
and collaborate at the C-level was exciting and humbling. I was happy to
work with the Product teams as they evolved into audiences and ultimately a
Product organization focused on users and their needs. A testament to their
excellent work is summarized in our 2016 Product summary

[1]. Working with the folks in Technology to find our CTO was exciting,
challenging, and illuminating. It was a wonderful and unexpected path that
would not have been possible without the great support of that team. There
are so many partnerships both with teams and individuals across this
organization and other organizations that I had the chance to engage and
work together with.

I have a great deal of respect and confidence in all of you to propel us
through the Movement, Foundation and team strategies and goals in the next
two years. Similarly I am proud of the stands we take and voices we lend as
we all work to protect and project freedom, and the public availability of
the sum of all knowledge. I hope to help support that as a volunteer in
whatever way I can.

Thank you,

Wes


Vice President of Product, Wikimedia Foundation

[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Product/2016_Product_Summary
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[Rogol Domedonfors]

There are words in other languages that have a rude, upleasant,
disrespectful or pejorative meaning in British English.  For an amusing
list of examples, see the Oxford Dictionary blog at
http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2016/02/words-that-sound-rude/

I presume that I'm entitled to be complain when they are used in email list
exchanges, even when those exchanges are being conducted primarily in those
other languages?

Returning now to the subject of the thread, I have no problem with Gerard's
posts, even if I have not always found them easy to understand, and see no
special reason to restrict his access to this list.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Florence Devouard 
wrote:

> Same in French...
>
>
> Le 13/02/2017 à 12:35, John Erling Blad a écrit :
>
>> It is common to refer to those that cooperated with the Nazis during WWII
>> as "kollaboratører" (kollaborators) in Norwegian too.
>> https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kollaborat%C3%B8r
>>
>> Translating between languages are fun! =)
>>
>> John
>>
>> 13. feb. 2017 09.08 skrev "Jane Darnell" :
>>
>> … The only disrespectful
>> thing I could find in his recent edits was his remark that he is not a
>> collaborator because his cultural heritage assumes "collaborators" are
>> "nazis", which is offensive in English. I would like to point out here
>> that
>> the word collaborator really does mean nazi in Dutch. It's one of many
>> translation challenges, so there is even a Wikipedia article that spells
>> it
>> all out:
>> https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboratie
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[Florence Devouard]

Same in French...

Le 13/02/2017 à 12:35, John Erling Blad a écrit :

It is common to refer to those that cooperated with the Nazis during WWII
as "kollaboratører" (kollaborators) in Norwegian too.
https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kollaborat%C3%B8r

Translating between languages are fun! =)

John

13. feb. 2017 09.08 skrev "Jane Darnell" :

… The only disrespectful
thing I could find in his recent edits was his remark that he is not a
collaborator because his cultural heritage assumes "collaborators" are
"nazis", which is offensive in English. I would like to point out here that
the word collaborator really does mean nazi in Dutch. It's one of many
translation challenges, so there is even a Wikipedia article that spells it
all out:
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboratie
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

[John Erling Blad]

It is common to refer to those that cooperated with the Nazis during WWII
as "kollaboratører" (kollaborators) in Norwegian too.
https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kollaborat%C3%B8r

Translating between languages are fun! =)

John

13. feb. 2017 09.08 skrev "Jane Darnell" :

… The only disrespectful
thing I could find in his recent edits was his remark that he is not a
collaborator because his cultural heritage assumes "collaborators" are
"nazis", which is offensive in English. I would like to point out here that
the word collaborator really does mean nazi in Dutch. It's one of many
translation challenges, so there is even a Wikipedia article that spells it
all out:
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboratie
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[Jane Darnell]

Believe me, I hear you!

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Austin Hair  wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:01 AM, Jane Darnell  wrote:
> > When I first read this I didn't think twice about it, because Gerard has
> > often gone over the 30 message limit, so nothing new. But after reading
> > later comments I see that he was disrespectful? I don't think so. I
> checked
> > and indeed he didn't go over his limit in January. The only disrespectful
> > thing I could find in his recent edits was his remark that he is not a
> > collaborator because his cultural heritage assumes "collaborators" are
> > "nazis", which is offensive in English. I would like to point out here
> that
> > the word collaborator really does mean nazi in Dutch. It's one of many
> > translation challenges, so there is even a Wikipedia article that spells
> it
> > all out:
> > https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboratie
> > It's little things like this that make adding English-language Tech news
> to
> > the Dutch Village pump a bit controversial btw.
>
> Thanks for the note, Jane. Everyone should keep cultural differences
> in mind--it's a source of strife on this list, to be sure, to say
> nothing of my marriage, and I suppose the entire Internet.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

[Romaine Wiki]

Calling that anyone who does not want a banner = someone who does not care
for our colleagues, is very very disrespectful.

That is way beyond the line of what can be accepted.

Romaine


Op maandag 13 februari 2017 heeft Jane Darnell  het
volgende geschreven:

> When I first read this I didn't think twice about it, because Gerard has
> often gone over the 30 message limit, so nothing new. But after reading
> later comments I see that he was disrespectful? I don't think so. I checked
> and indeed he didn't go over his limit in January. The only disrespectful
> thing I could find in his recent edits was his remark that he is not a
> collaborator because his cultural heritage assumes "collaborators" are
> "nazis", which is offensive in English. I would like to point out here that
> the word collaborator really does mean nazi in Dutch. It's one of many
> translation challenges, so there is even a Wikipedia article that spells it
> all out:
> https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboratie
> It's little things like this that make adding English-language Tech news to
> the Dutch Village pump a bit controversial btw.
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Asaf Bartov  > wrote:
>
> > Hello, everyone.
> >
> > I share the opinion that moderation actions should be transparent. So:
> >
> > I have now placed Gerard Meijssen on moderation.  He has been posting
> very
> > frequently to the list, far exceeding the requested "soft limit" of 30
> > posts per month, and has exhibited disrespectful discourse.
> >
> > I encourage Gerard to revise his approach to communicating on this list.
> > He will be unmoderated next month.
> >
> >A.
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On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:01 AM, Jane Darnell  wrote:
> When I first read this I didn't think twice about it, because Gerard has
> often gone over the 30 message limit, so nothing new. But after reading
> later comments I see that he was disrespectful? I don't think so. I checked
> and indeed he didn't go over his limit in January. The only disrespectful
> thing I could find in his recent edits was his remark that he is not a
> collaborator because his cultural heritage assumes "collaborators" are
> "nazis", which is offensive in English. I would like to point out here that
> the word collaborator really does mean nazi in Dutch. It's one of many
> translation challenges, so there is even a Wikipedia article that spells it
> all out:
> https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboratie
> It's little things like this that make adding English-language Tech news to
> the Dutch Village pump a bit controversial btw.

Thanks for the note, Jane. Everyone should keep cultural differences
in mind--it's a source of strife on this list, to be sure, to say
nothing of my marriage, and I suppose the entire Internet.

Austin

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

[Jane Darnell]

When I first read this I didn't think twice about it, because Gerard has
often gone over the 30 message limit, so nothing new. But after reading
later comments I see that he was disrespectful? I don't think so. I checked
and indeed he didn't go over his limit in January. The only disrespectful
thing I could find in his recent edits was his remark that he is not a
collaborator because his cultural heritage assumes "collaborators" are
"nazis", which is offensive in English. I would like to point out here that
the word collaborator really does mean nazi in Dutch. It's one of many
translation challenges, so there is even a Wikipedia article that spells it
all out:
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboratie
It's little things like this that make adding English-language Tech news to
the Dutch Village pump a bit controversial btw.

On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> Hello, everyone.
>
> I share the opinion that moderation actions should be transparent. So:
>
> I have now placed Gerard Meijssen on moderation.  He has been posting very
> frequently to the list, far exceeding the requested "soft limit" of 30
> posts per month, and has exhibited disrespectful discourse.
>
> I encourage Gerard to revise his approach to communicating on this list.
> He will be unmoderated next month.
>
>A.
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