Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-22 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 3:46 AM, Matthew Flaschen 
wrote:

> However, both volunteers and staff participants have joined the CoC
> process.


Matthew is too modest – the discussions has been managed by staff since
late 2015, almost all of the contributions to the discussion have been from
staff members, the consultants discussed the process only with staff and
their alleged report was never shown to other participants, part of the
text was dictated directly by WMF Legal staff with others forbidden to
discuss it, and Matthew himself has managed most of the recent work on
opening and closing the discussions, and promoting his "decision" that a
community vote was not necessary.

Without a reference to the community for acceptance, this will be a WMF
policy, imposed by the authority of the WMF.  If the community are happy
with that, all well and good.  But let's not pretend that it's anything
else.

"Rogol"
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-22 Thread Matthew Flaschen

On 02/21/2017 06:24 PM, Todd Allen wrote:

No. The community I am referring to is all WMF project participants who
might be interested in presenting their opinion on the subject, regardless
of whether or not they currently participate in any given specific area.
That is always the case.


No, it certainly is not.

Generally users who are not part of the community/just joined for the 
discussion do not have the same weight, and their position may be 
disregarded entirely.


English Wikipedia policy is clear 
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry#Meatpuppetry): 
"In votes or vote-like discussions, new users may be disregarded or 
given significantly less weight, especially if there are many of them 
expressing the same opinion."


Other wikis have similar conventions and policies, and some other wikis 
even formalize this into required edit counts.


Matt Flaschen

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-22 Thread Matthew Flaschen

On 02/21/2017 05:42 PM, Erik Bernhardson wrote:

It's not particularly clear hear, which community? The developers of

mediawiki-core? extension developers? people who attend hackathons and
such? It seems all of these groups have been bombarded with calls to
participate in the process over the last year and have had plenty of
opportunity to be heard. That only a small group of WMF staff have decided
to participate, almost entirely in their free time as volunteers and not
paid employees, doesn't seem to change that.


I agree that it's been widely announced in the appropriate venues (e.g. 
wikitech-l and other lists, Phabricator, MediaWiki.org).  Ultimately, 
what matters is whether they are a participant in the technical 
community, not whether they are a volunteer or staff.  However, both 
volunteers and staff participants have joined the CoC process.


Matt Flaschen

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-22 Thread Matthew Flaschen

On 02/21/2017 05:36 PM, Lane Rasberry wrote:

I would like for whatever is adopted to match other similar proposals. So
far as I know, the technical space proposal is not compared with the
"online" proposal or the "events" proposal.


Although those are training modules and the Code of Conduct for 
technical spaces is a draft policy, the purposes are consistent.


Matt Flaschen

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[Wikimedia-l] What is our impact and how do we measure it?

2017-02-22 Thread Chris Keating
Hi all,

For a while now I've been thinking about different ways to define and
measure the Wikimedia movement's impact. This started for me with various
conversations about different iterations of the WMF's Global Metrics and
different rounds of FDC bids, but it turns out to be wider than that.

This is a big and thorny topic and one where we seem to have come up with a
lot of implicit answers without spending much time thinking about in any
detail, so I've written up my thoughts as a meta-essay here:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:The_Land/Thinking_about_the_impact_of_the_Wikimedia_movement

I'd be really interested to hear other peoples' views!

Chris

(User:The Land)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocks of new accounts in Angola?

2017-02-22 Thread Olatunde Isaac
In addition to that thread, see also 
"https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Teles/Angola_Facebook_Case;

Best,

Isaac
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-Original Message-
From: "Olatunde Isaac" 
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 15:30:06 
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocks of new accounts in Angola?

Yes, there are some mass vandalism from Angola last year. Yaroslav, I think you 
may be looking for this thread, 
"https://www.mail-archive.com/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/msg23413.html;

Best,

Isaac
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-Original Message-
From: Yaroslav Blanter 
Sender: "Wikimedia-l" Date: Wed, 22 
Feb 2017 16:17:32 
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocks of new accounts in Angola?

Did not we have some mass vandalism from Angola some time ago, and then
measures had to be taken? I do not remember the details.

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 8:57 AM, George William Herbert <
george.herb...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Have them hit whatismyip.org and tell us what shows up..,
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton <
> rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've been receiving complains via Facebook from people of Angola about
> not
> > being able to create new accounts, some know something about it? They
> > receive the as if the IP was blocked, however we receive more then 5
> > complains just in the Commons FB page.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > --
> > Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
> > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com
> > +55 11 979 718 884
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocks of new accounts in Angola?

2017-02-22 Thread Gergo Tisza
Maybe caused by https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T154698 and their ISP
using a proxy that handles IP-related headers in a very broken way?
If that's the case, they should be seeing something about private IP ranges
in the block message.

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 8:16 AM, John  wrote:

> Let's wait and see what the IP info says. Might be  case of an ISP routing
> everyone thru a  single public IP.  Or it might be a range block due to ip
> hoping disruption.
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 8:11 AM Vi to  wrote:
>
> > Yep, none of them implied massive and preventive blocks. There's
> something
> > broken needing further investigations then.
> >
> > Vito
> >
> > 2017-02-22 16:17 GMT+01:00 Yaroslav Blanter :
> >
> > > Did not we have some mass vandalism from Angola some time ago, and then
> > > measures had to be taken? I do not remember the details.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Yaroslav
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 8:57 AM, George William Herbert <
> > > george.herb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Have them hit whatismyip.org and tell us what shows up..,
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > > On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton <
> > > > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been receiving complains via Facebook from people of Angola
> > about
> > > > not
> > > > > being able to create new accounts, some know something about it?
> They
> > > > > receive the as if the IP was blocked, however we receive more then
> 5
> > > > > complains just in the Commons FB page.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any ideas?
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
> > > > > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com
> > > > > +55 11 979 718 884
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocks of new accounts in Angola?

2017-02-22 Thread John
Let's wait and see what the IP info says. Might be  case of an ISP routing
everyone thru a  single public IP.  Or it might be a range block due to ip
hoping disruption.

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 8:11 AM Vi to  wrote:

> Yep, none of them implied massive and preventive blocks. There's something
> broken needing further investigations then.
>
> Vito
>
> 2017-02-22 16:17 GMT+01:00 Yaroslav Blanter :
>
> > Did not we have some mass vandalism from Angola some time ago, and then
> > measures had to be taken? I do not remember the details.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Yaroslav
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 8:57 AM, George William Herbert <
> > george.herb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Have them hit whatismyip.org and tell us what shows up..,
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton <
> > > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I've been receiving complains via Facebook from people of Angola
> about
> > > not
> > > > being able to create new accounts, some know something about it? They
> > > > receive the as if the IP was blocked, however we receive more then 5
> > > > complains just in the Commons FB page.
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
> > > > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com
> > > > +55 11 979 718 884
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocks of new accounts in Angola?

2017-02-22 Thread Vi to
Yep, none of them implied massive and preventive blocks. There's something
broken needing further investigations then.

Vito

2017-02-22 16:17 GMT+01:00 Yaroslav Blanter :

> Did not we have some mass vandalism from Angola some time ago, and then
> measures had to be taken? I do not remember the details.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 8:57 AM, George William Herbert <
> george.herb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Have them hit whatismyip.org and tell us what shows up..,
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton <
> > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I've been receiving complains via Facebook from people of Angola about
> > not
> > > being able to create new accounts, some know something about it? They
> > > receive the as if the IP was blocked, however we receive more then 5
> > > complains just in the Commons FB page.
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
> > > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com
> > > +55 11 979 718 884
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Help! Can't save on any Wikipedia

2017-02-22 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi all,

On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 14:28:47 +
geni  wrote:

> On 22 February 2017 at 12:06, Enock Seth Nyamador  wrote:
> > Am good now :). Thanks all.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > - Enock
> >  
> 
> this is one of the reasons I keep a secondary browser for wikipedia
> stuff only. I'd recommend seamonkey
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaMonkey or Vivaldi
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivaldi_(web_browser)

One can also use a different "profile" of firefox/etc. which supports running
several browsers with different profiles simultaneously, all in the same user
and the same session. See:

* https://duckduckgo.com/?q=firefox+profiles=web

Regards,

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocks of new accounts in Angola?

2017-02-22 Thread Olatunde Isaac
Yes, there are some mass vandalism from Angola last year. Yaroslav, I think you 
may be looking for this thread, 
"https://www.mail-archive.com/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/msg23413.html;

Best,

Isaac
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-Original Message-
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Sender: "Wikimedia-l" Date: Wed, 22 
Feb 2017 16:17:32 
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocks of new accounts in Angola?

Did not we have some mass vandalism from Angola some time ago, and then
measures had to be taken? I do not remember the details.

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 8:57 AM, George William Herbert <
george.herb...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Have them hit whatismyip.org and tell us what shows up..,
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton <
> rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've been receiving complains via Facebook from people of Angola about
> not
> > being able to create new accounts, some know something about it? They
> > receive the as if the IP was blocked, however we receive more then 5
> > complains just in the Commons FB page.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > --
> > Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
> > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com
> > +55 11 979 718 884
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocks of new accounts in Angola?

2017-02-22 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
Did not we have some mass vandalism from Angola some time ago, and then
measures had to be taken? I do not remember the details.

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 8:57 AM, George William Herbert <
george.herb...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Have them hit whatismyip.org and tell us what shows up..,
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton <
> rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've been receiving complains via Facebook from people of Angola about
> not
> > being able to create new accounts, some know something about it? They
> > receive the as if the IP was blocked, however we receive more then 5
> > complains just in the Commons FB page.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > --
> > Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
> > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com
> > +55 11 979 718 884
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Help! Can't save on any Wikipedia

2017-02-22 Thread geni
On 22 February 2017 at 12:06, Enock Seth Nyamador  wrote:
> Am good now :). Thanks all.
>
> Best,
>
> - Enock
>

this is one of the reasons I keep a secondary browser for wikipedia
stuff only. I'd recommend seamonkey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaMonkey or Vivaldi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivaldi_(web_browser)


-- 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Help! Can't save on any Wikipedia

2017-02-22 Thread Enock Seth Nyamador
Am good now :). Thanks all.

Best,

- Enock

2017-02-21 19:29 GMT+00:00 Thibaut P. :

> Hello,
>
> There's a bug affecting recent versions of Firefox, the fix is described
> here: .
>
> Regards,
> Thibaut
>
> On 21.02.2017 20:16, Enock Seth Nyamador wrote:
> > Hello Wikimedians,
> >
> > Saw the message in this image [1] one week ago but didn't take it
> serious.
> > Now it seems to be real. I can't Save. The screenshot [1] show messages
> > from frwp and enwp when I tried to save my changes.
> >
> > Yes, I've tried logging in and out several times.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > 1. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B99n1pG7IHtJdy1VeFZXX19HYTQ/view
> >
> > - Enock
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