Re: [Wikimedia-l] March 10: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#10)

2017-03-11 Thread Tanweer Morshed
Hi Katherine,

Thank you for ths regular updates. It's been quite useful to learn how the
ambitious movement strategy process is going forward.


Regards,
Tanweer Morshed


On Saturday, March 11, 2017, Pine W  wrote:
> Thanks Katherine. It's nice to see how this process is coming along. The
> weekly updates are helpful.
>
> If I may highlight a point: I very much like Victor's video. I think it
has
> good perspective(s) on this ambitious project.
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2030.wikimedia.org.webm.
>
> Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Using non-free elements vs our values (Apple Maps vs Wikipedia iOS app)

2017-03-11 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
I am surprised that this discussion would be held now, *after* the work has
been done.  Was it really not possible to plan ahead and have this
discussion before doing work that might turn out to be wasted?  Was it
really so hard to predict this difficulty?  Who was in charge?

"Rogol"

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> What I do not understand is why?  We have had maps and nearby functionality
> for a very long time 2014 based on Wikidata [1]. It has the benefit of
> being of use in any of our languages much more than what Apple has to
> offer. This was developed at the Hackathon in Vienna.
>
> OSM maps have as a benefit that they serve countries like Haiti much better
> [2]. It is why Doctors Without Borders use their maps and not others [2].
>
> A third reason is that by concentrating on the Apple API and kits we are
> not developing for the majority of smart phones.
>
> A fourth reason is that it will enhance the cooperation with the OSM
> community.
>
> A final reason is that we are already Wikidatafying Commons; this will have
> a geo location part as well and consequently I do not see any advantages in
> anything but a Wikidata approach to maps because through queries we can
> target Wikipedia articles in a language. A final argument, it will drive
> more people to add labels in Wikidata in the language where our coverage is
> now not so good. Including English in China.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> PS I do have an iPhone.
>
> [1]
> http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2014/05/wmhack-
> maps-and-wikidata-ii.html
> [2] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2011/03/need-for-
> up-to-date-maps.html
>
> On 11 March 2017 at 03:59, Jonatan Svensson Glad 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> >
> > I'm not one who usually writes on these lists, but since it seems like a
> > good way to get others opinions (and ince I've already formed my own), I
> > thought it was a good way to see what others had to say and think.
> >
> >
> > The mobile team for the iOS app (who are all awesome!)  has recently
> > released (in beta) a version of the app which incorporates Apple Maps a
> one
> > of it's main feature, to find articles nearby.
> >
> >
> > "The Wikipedia iOS app has released a beta version (5.4.0 1081) which
> uses
> > Apple maps as its map data source. This is not an easy decision and has
> > already sparked some discussion of whether this is acceptable given our
> > project's values."
> >
> >
> > These maps are not free (non-libre) and is in my strong opinion against
> > our values. We only create and publish things which are freely licensed
> > (with fair use imagery being the only exception, after a board resolution
> > regarding EDP's).
> >
> >
> > Some reasons why this was done can be read here:
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Team/iOS/Maps_service
> >
> >
> > I was asked if we could use non-free elements as long as we said it was
> > non-free and you may not be allowed to re-ue it, and I responded with "If
> > we can't find enough editors for Wikipedia, would it ever be alright if
> we
> > copied text from Britannica, as long as we said it was from Britannica,
> and
> > that reusers can not use it" i.e. just because we can't make something,
> > doesn't mean we should use something else (non-free thing) to reach our
> > 'wants', if it causes us to  loose what is... 'us'.
> >
> >
> > I'm seeking imput and opinions from you all whether this i allowed or not
> > our according to values, which states:
> >
> >
> > "An essential part of the Wikimedia Foundation's mission is encouraging
> > the development of free-content educational resources that may be
> created,
> > used, and reused by the entire human community. We believe that this
> > mission requires thriving open formats and open standards on the web to
> > allow the creation of content not subject to restrictions on creation,
> use,
> > and reuse.
> >
> > At the creation level, we want to provide the editing community with
> > freely-licensed tools for participation and collaboration. Our community
> > should also have the freedom to fork thanks to freely available dumps.
> >
> > The community will in turn create a body of knowledge which can be
> > distributed freely throughout the world, viewable or playable by free
> > software tools."
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

2017-03-11 Thread Isarra Yos

On 09/03/17 20:36, Antoine Musso wrote:

The RfC has been going on for almost two years already. Given the flood
of announces on a wide range of mailing lists, I don't see how one could
have missed it. 


The flood might be exactly how. Keep being inundated with notices, many 
people are likely to just start ignoring all of the notices. This is a 
problem for a lot of things, though.


-I

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Using non-free elements vs our values (Apple Maps vs Wikipedia iOS app)

2017-03-11 Thread Samuel Klein
Hi Jonatan,

Thanks for this email, it's relevant to the general wikimedia list &
community.

I broadly agree with you: we should aim to strengthen and expand the
universe of free knowledge, including every building block along the way:
so that others can replicate both toolchain and result on their own
backends.

In practice, I think that means: releasing a Beta feature that uses
non-free libraries is ok, if the goal is to get feedback, test iterations,
and replace them with free libraries.  Releasing a completed tool that uses
non-free libraries might be ok if there is currently no free alternative
whatever, and the creation/curation benefits of having the tool are
significant; in such cases we should still plan partnerships or other
methods for replacing those libraries.

When it comes to serving maps, integrating map features with iOS, and OSM:
a more basic issue comes into play. We should support OSM development and
improvement 100% as though it were part of our own mission.  Because it
is!  Maps are an increasingly large part of knowledge capture, discovery,
sharing, and prioritization.  It's important to get this right not just on
the scale of the roadmap of a single feature by a single staff development
team, but as a movement. (The movement devoted to global knowledge access;
not just the subset covered by current .W. projects & tools!)  Getting it
right here can mean many things, but definitely includes over time
* Ensuring there is a free map ecosystem that is as good as any proprietary
one
* Working side-by-side with the OSM community, spiritually and practically
(and not alienating one another around minor factional differences)

Clearly OSM benefits from working through any practical/accessibility
reasons that make it hard for app-developers to use OSM maps rather than
Apple Maps.  So let's work directly with them to solve this.  This WP app
offers a richly detailed use case, and a new channel for people to
potentially discover and contribute to OSM; OSM devs are experts at
identifying existing solutions or building new ones.  There are nuances of
how funding / development / production happens across the various
subcommunities, teams, foundations and third-parties, and more than one way
to do it.  [does WMF fund pure OSM development in parallel to supporting WP
feature work?  Support community development around crossovers between our
networks? does OSM or MB fund some wiki work as part of
outreach+expansion?]  This shouldn't prevent getting this right — just as
temporary gaps in a fully free toolchain shouldn't prevent running tests
with a proprietary library in the interim.

Warmly,
Sam

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 9:59 PM, Jonatan Svensson Glad <
gladjona...@outlook.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
>
> I'm not one who usually writes on these lists, but since it seems like a
> good way to get others opinions (and ince I've already formed my own), I
> thought it was a good way to see what others had to say and think.
>
>
> The mobile team for the iOS app (who are all awesome!)  has recently
> released (in beta) a version of the app which incorporates Apple Maps a one
> of it's main feature, to find articles nearby.
>
>
> "The Wikipedia iOS app has released a beta version (5.4.0 1081) which uses
> Apple maps as its map data source. This is not an easy decision and has
> already sparked some discussion of whether this is acceptable given our
> project's values."
>
>
> These maps are not free (non-libre) and is in my strong opinion against
> our values. We only create and publish things which are freely licensed
> (with fair use imagery being the only exception, after a board resolution
> regarding EDP's).
>
>
> Some reasons why this was done can be read here:
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Team/iOS/Maps_service
>
>
> I was asked if we could use non-free elements as long as we said it was
> non-free and you may not be allowed to re-ue it, and I responded with "If
> we can't find enough editors for Wikipedia, would it ever be alright if we
> copied text from Britannica, as long as we said it was from Britannica, and
> that reusers can not use it" i.e. just because we can't make something,
> doesn't mean we should use something else (non-free thing) to reach our
> 'wants', if it causes us to  loose what is... 'us'.
>
>
> I'm seeking imput and opinions from you all whether this i allowed or not
> our according to values, which states:
>
>
> "An essential part of the Wikimedia Foundation's mission is encouraging
> the development of free-content educational resources that may be created,
> used, and reused by the entire human community. We believe that this
> mission requires thriving open formats and open standards on the web to
> allow the creation of content not subject to restrictions on creation, use,
> and reuse.
>
> At the creation level, we want to provide the editing community with
> freely-licensed tools for participation and collaboration. Our community
> should also have 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcoming 19 long-time Wikimedians as Coordinators for Movement strategy

2017-03-11 Thread Samuele Mantani
I wish all the Coordinators a good job! :)

Samuele2002

Il 10/Mar/2017 06:09 AM, "Guillaume Paumier"  ha
scritto:

> Hello,
>
> As most of you are aware, the Wikimedia movement has embarked on an
> ambitious initiative to discuss our collective future and determine a
> movement-wide strategic direction. [1]
>
> The movement is composed of people in many different roles, notably
> individual contributors who may not be affiliated with any organized
> group. It can be challenging to reach individual contributors and
> involve them in strategy discussions, since they may not monitor the
> usual communication channels, and they may not think that strategy
> discussions are relevant to them.
>
> For this year’s movement strategy process, the Wikimedia Foundation
> has decided to hire 19 part-time discussion coordinators to better
> bridge the gap between the strategy discussions and local communities
> of contributors.
>
> Today, I am thrilled to announce that we have concluded the search and
> assembled a stellar team of 19 long-time Wikimedians, who have agreed
> to join the movement strategy efforts in this capacity.
>
> As you go through the team’s page on Meta-Wiki, you will see many
> familiar names. [2] The team is composed of Abbad, Bohdan, Chico,
> Gereon, Jonatan, Ran, Marco, Nahid, Niccolò, Tomasz, Robin, Samuel,
> Satdeep, Szymon, Oleg, Takashi, Todd, Tuan, and Venus. Because of the
> team’s geographic distribution, Jan Eissfeldt, from the Foundation’s
> Support and Safety team, has agreed to help lead the day-to-day
> activities of the group of Asian language coordinators.
>
> All the coordinators started on Monday for a 3-month contract, and
> they have already been hard at work, translating materials on Meta and
> organizing the outreach to their local communities. [3] Some will
> focus their efforts on specific language communities [4], and others
> will support an array of smaller communities.
>
> If you are interested in working with the coordinators to bridge the
> gap with your local communities, I invite you to take a look at the
> description of the coordinator role, and sign up using the form on
> that page. [5] You can also contact them directly via their talk page.
>
> I want to express my deepest gratitude to everyone who was involved in
> this ultra-fast hiring process, most notably the Foundation’s Talent &
> Culture team, who handled the recruiting and administrative onboarding
> masterfully, and the Community Engagement department, who reached out
> to their contacts, thoroughly reviewed applications, and made this
> ambitious wave of recruiting ridiculously easy for me.
>
> Please join me in welcoming Venus, Tuan, Todd, Takashi, Oleg, Szymon,
> Satdeep, Samuel, Robin, Tomasz, Niccolò, Nahid, Marco, Ran, Jonatan,
> Gereon, Chico, Bohdan, and Abbad in their new role.
>
>
> Guillaume Paumier
>
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017
>
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> movement/2017/People/Strategy_coordinators
>
> [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> movement/2017/Track_B/Outreach/Map
>
> [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_
> movement/2017#Language_list_in_development
>
> [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> movement/2017/Toolkit/Discussion_Coordinator_Role
>
> --
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>
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