[Wikimedia-l] Invitation to the Wikimedia Foundation May 2018 Metrics & Activities Meeting: Thursday, May 31, 18:00 UTC

[Lena Traer]

Hello everyone,

The next Wikimedia Foundation metrics and activities meeting will take
place on Thursday, May 31, 2018 at 6:00 PM UTC (11 AM PDT). The IRC channel
is #wikimedia-office on https://webchat.freenode.net, and the meeting will
be broadcast as a live YouTube stream.[1] We’ll post the video recording
publicly after the meeting.

During the May 2018 meeting, we will hear about languages across the
Wikimedia projects.

Meeting agenda:

* Welcome and introduction
* Movement update
* The Compact Language Links project
* Executive update
* Questions and discussion
* Wikilove

Please review the meeting's Meta-Wiki page for further information about
the meeting and how to participate:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_metrics_and_activities_meetings

You can also sign up to participate in future meetings on Meta-Wiki:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_metrics_and_activities_meetings/Future_meetings

June 2018 Metrics & Activities meeting will take place on Thursday, 28
June, starting at 6:00 PM UTC (11 AM Pacific Daylight Time).

Thank you,
Lena

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOaiU-v7PbE

Lena Traer
Project Coordinator // Communications // Advancement
Wikimedia Foundation
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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost – Volume 14, Issue 6 – 24 May 2018

[Wikipedia Signpost]

>From the editor: Another issue meets the deadline
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-05-24/From_the_editor

Op-ed: Has the wind gone out of the AdminShip's sails?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-05-24/Op-ed

Opinion: Integrating my many lives on Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-05-24/Opinion

WikiProject report: WikiProject Portals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-05-24/WikiProject_report

Discussion report: User rights, infoboxes, and more discussion on portals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-05-24/Discussion_report

Featured content: Featured content selected by the community
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-05-24/Featured_content

Arbitration report: Managing difficult topics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-05-24/Arbitration_report

News and notes: Lots of Wikimedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-05-24/News_and_notes

In the media: Wikipedia in Turkish politics; COI politics in Wikipedia;
most cited work
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-05-24/In_the_media

Traffic report: We love our superheros
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-05-24/Traffic_report

Technology report: A trove of contributor and developer goodies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-05-24/Technology_report

Blog: Why I write about women on Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-05-24/Blog

Recent research: Why people don't contribute to Wikipedia; using Wikipedia
to teach statistics, technical writing, and controversial issues
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-05-24/Recent_research

Humour: Play with your food
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-05-24/Humour

Gallery: Wine not?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-05-24/Gallery

>From the archives: *The Signpost* scoops *The Signpost*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-05-24/From_the_archives


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Airtasker adds for articles

[James Heilman]

We have Terms of Use that require disclosure when people are involved in
paid editing. Often paid editing occurs on obscure topics and we are unable
to closely vet the volume of paid editing that is occurring, this means a
lots of promotional content can and does slip through and make us look bad.

Trying to vet this volume of content also distracts good faith editors from
work on more notable topics. Additionally this counts as covert advertising
which in certain subject areas such as health is not permitted by
organizations such as the FDA in the USA. Additional issues include that
the accounts involved are often socks and the content in question is often
"copy and pasted".

The same argument could be applied to banned editors, if they are producing
good content why do we not allow banned editors to edit using socks?

James

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 12:50 PM, Michel Vuijlsteke 
wrote:

> Shouldn't articles be judged independently of who exactly wrote them and
> for what reason?
>
> If an article reads well, has good content, is sourced, neutral etc, what's
> the issue exactly?
>
> On 24 May 2018 at 12:28, Gnangarra  wrote:
>
> > I find this rather disturbing that Airtasker accepts adds for people
> > wanting to have articles written, on wikipedia.
> >
> > The person writing the add is asking someone to violate WMF terms &
> > Conditions as you can some of the respondents are indicating that they do
> > this regularly
> >
> > https://www.airtasker.com/tasks/copywriter-for-a-
> > wikipedia-article-10031171/
> >
> > Would it  be prudent for the WMF legal to contact Airtasker, highlight
> our
> > T and have them block such requests from being posted.  Airtasker
> > themselves also gets paid when people write Wikipedia articles
> >
> > --
> > GN.
> > Noongarpedia: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page
> > WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra
> > Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com
> > Out now: A.Gaynor, P. Newman and P. Jennings (eds.), *Never Again:
> > Reflections on Environmental Responsibility after Roe 8*, UWAP, 2017.
> > Order
> > here
> >  > reflections-on-environmental-responsibility-after-roe-8>
> > .
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Airtasker adds for articles

[Michel Vuijlsteke]

Shouldn't articles be judged independently of who exactly wrote them and
for what reason?

If an article reads well, has good content, is sourced, neutral etc, what's
the issue exactly?

On 24 May 2018 at 12:28, Gnangarra  wrote:

> I find this rather disturbing that Airtasker accepts adds for people
> wanting to have articles written, on wikipedia.
>
> The person writing the add is asking someone to violate WMF terms &
> Conditions as you can some of the respondents are indicating that they do
> this regularly
>
> https://www.airtasker.com/tasks/copywriter-for-a-
> wikipedia-article-10031171/
>
> Would it  be prudent for the WMF legal to contact Airtasker, highlight our
> T and have them block such requests from being posted.  Airtasker
> themselves also gets paid when people write Wikipedia articles
>
> --
> GN.
> Noongarpedia: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page
> WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra
> Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com
> Out now: A.Gaynor, P. Newman and P. Jennings (eds.), *Never Again:
> Reflections on Environmental Responsibility after Roe 8*, UWAP, 2017.
> Order
> here
>  reflections-on-environmental-responsibility-after-roe-8>
> .
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Airtasker adds for articles

[Peter Southwood]

In what way are they proposing to violate WMF terms and conditions?
Cheers,
Peter

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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Airtasker adds for articles

I find this rather disturbing that Airtasker accepts adds for people
wanting to have articles written, on wikipedia.

The person writing the add is asking someone to violate WMF terms &
Conditions as you can some of the respondents are indicating that they do
this regularly

https://www.airtasker.com/tasks/copywriter-for-a-wikipedia-article-10031171/

Would it  be prudent for the WMF legal to contact Airtasker, highlight our
T and have them block such requests from being posted.  Airtasker
themselves also gets paid when people write Wikipedia articles

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Out now: A.Gaynor, P. Newman and P. Jennings (eds.), *Never Again:
Reflections on Environmental Responsibility after Roe 8*, UWAP, 2017.  Order
here

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Airtasker adds for articles

[Daniel Zahn]

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 3:28 AM, Gnangarra  wrote:

> Would it  be prudent for the WMF legal to contact Airtasker
>

You might want to ask legal directly at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal#Wikimedia_Foundation_Email_Contacts

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[Wikimedia-l] Airtasker adds for articles

[Gnangarra]

I find this rather disturbing that Airtasker accepts adds for people
wanting to have articles written, on wikipedia.

The person writing the add is asking someone to violate WMF terms &
Conditions as you can some of the respondents are indicating that they do
this regularly

https://www.airtasker.com/tasks/copywriter-for-a-wikipedia-article-10031171/

Would it  be prudent for the WMF legal to contact Airtasker, highlight our
T and have them block such requests from being posted.  Airtasker
themselves also gets paid when people write Wikipedia articles

-- 
GN.
Noongarpedia: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page
WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra
Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com
Out now: A.Gaynor, P. Newman and P. Jennings (eds.), *Never Again:
Reflections on Environmental Responsibility after Roe 8*, UWAP, 2017.  Order
here

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recent statement on the block of Wikipedia in Turkey

[Alex Monk]

I think they can see the subdomain too (i.e. en.wikipedia.org or
tr.wikipedia.org) but yeah.

On Thu, 24 May 2018, 09:13 James Hare,  wrote:

> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 12:55 AM, David Cuenca Tudela 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Eileen,
> >
> > Thanks for the follow up and for the nice letter that you wrote to the
> > Turkish Minister. There is something I do not understand about Turkey's
> > block and maybe you (or somebody else) could offer some insights about
> it.
> >
> > Apparently the ban was issued because it was felt that Turkey was
> > misrepresented in some articles. My question is, why didn't they block
> only
> > the offending articles (as they did in the past with other articles)
> > instead of the whole site?
> >
> > Regards,
> > David
>
>
>
> One of the effects of Wikipedia's HTTPS-only policy is that ISPs, the
> Turkish government, and other parties who may be monitoring traffic can't
> see the contents of the traffic – they can only see a connection between
> your machine and "wikipedia.org". The option to selectively block traffic
> doesn't exist because they can't see what that traffic even is.
>
> So why not allow HTTP-only connections if it gives the Turkish government
> the option to block the articles it wants and letting the others through?
> Political implications of that aside, the result is that a user couldn't
> really guarantee what they were reading was Wikipedia. Which is to say, the
> policy of only allowing access to Wikipedia over a secure connection is how
> Wikipedia guarantees that you are actually reading Wikipedia and not
> Wikipedia plus injected propaganda or injected advertisements or what have
> you.
>
>
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recent statement on the block of Wikipedia in Turkey

[David Cuenca Tudela]

Thanks for the explanation, James!

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 10:06 AM, James Hare  wrote:

> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 12:55 AM, David Cuenca Tudela 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Eileen,
> >
> > Thanks for the follow up and for the nice letter that you wrote to the
> > Turkish Minister. There is something I do not understand about Turkey's
> > block and maybe you (or somebody else) could offer some insights about
> it.
> >
> > Apparently the ban was issued because it was felt that Turkey was
> > misrepresented in some articles. My question is, why didn't they block
> only
> > the offending articles (as they did in the past with other articles)
> > instead of the whole site?
> >
> > Regards,
> > David
>
>
>
> One of the effects of Wikipedia's HTTPS-only policy is that ISPs, the
> Turkish government, and other parties who may be monitoring traffic can't
> see the contents of the traffic – they can only see a connection between
> your machine and "wikipedia.org". The option to selectively block traffic
> doesn't exist because they can't see what that traffic even is.
>
> So why not allow HTTP-only connections if it gives the Turkish government
> the option to block the articles it wants and letting the others through?
> Political implications of that aside, the result is that a user couldn't
> really guarantee what they were reading was Wikipedia. Which is to say, the
> policy of only allowing access to Wikipedia over a secure connection is how
> Wikipedia guarantees that you are actually reading Wikipedia and not
> Wikipedia plus injected propaganda or injected advertisements or what have
> you.
>
>
> 
> James Hare
> Associate Product Manager
> Wikimedia Foundation
> https://wikimediafoundation.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recent statement on the block of Wikipedia in Turkey

[James Hare]

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 12:55 AM, David Cuenca Tudela 
wrote:

> Hi Eileen,
>
> Thanks for the follow up and for the nice letter that you wrote to the
> Turkish Minister. There is something I do not understand about Turkey's
> block and maybe you (or somebody else) could offer some insights about it.
>
> Apparently the ban was issued because it was felt that Turkey was
> misrepresented in some articles. My question is, why didn't they block only
> the offending articles (as they did in the past with other articles)
> instead of the whole site?
>
> Regards,
> David



One of the effects of Wikipedia's HTTPS-only policy is that ISPs, the
Turkish government, and other parties who may be monitoring traffic can't
see the contents of the traffic – they can only see a connection between
your machine and "wikipedia.org". The option to selectively block traffic
doesn't exist because they can't see what that traffic even is.

So why not allow HTTP-only connections if it gives the Turkish government
the option to block the articles it wants and letting the others through?
Political implications of that aside, the result is that a user couldn't
really guarantee what they were reading was Wikipedia. Which is to say, the
policy of only allowing access to Wikipedia over a secure connection is how
Wikipedia guarantees that you are actually reading Wikipedia and not
Wikipedia plus injected propaganda or injected advertisements or what have
you.



James Hare
Associate Product Manager
Wikimedia Foundation
https://wikimediafoundation.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recent statement on the block of Wikipedia in Turkey

[David Cuenca Tudela]

Hi Eileen,

Thanks for the follow up and for the nice letter that you wrote to the
Turkish Minister. There is something I do not understand about Turkey's
block and maybe you (or somebody else) could offer some insights about it.

Apparently the ban was issued because it was felt that Turkey was
misrepresented in some articles. My question is, why didn't they block only
the offending articles (as they did in the past with other articles)
instead of the whole site?

Regards,
David

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 12:22 AM, Eileen Hershenov  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Thank you to everyone who participated and supported the #WeMissTurkey
> efforts marking the one-year anniversary of the block in Turkey of all
> language versions of Wikipedia. The Wikimedia Foundation remains committed
> to restoring access to Wikipedia in full, upholding our values and stance
> against censorship, and supporting the local Wikimedia community in Turkey.
>
> As part of our ongoing efforts, we have been monitoring discussions and
> mentions in the media around Wikipedia in Turkey. Last Friday, May 18, the
> Turkish Minister of Transport, Maritime, and Communications, Ahmet Arslan,
> made a number of incorrect comments[0] to the press in Turkey about
> Wikimedia and the block of Wikipedia. Minister Arslan’s position includes
> oversight of the BTK, the Internet Regulatory Agency that sought the block
> of Wikipedia.
>
> The Foundation has replied to the Minister’s statements with an open letter
> sent to the Minister and shared with the media who covered the Minister's
> statements. The statement has also been shared with the local Wikimedia
> community in Turkey, and we have posted it on the Wikimedia Blog in both
> English[1] and Turkish[2] to address any further public confusion.
>
> We will continue to keep you updated as we work with the local community to
> monitor the situation, and take appropriate actions to restore access to
> Wikipedia in Turkey.
>
> Thank you,
> Eileen
>
> [0] https://www.ntv.com.tr/teknoloji/bakan-ahmet-arslandan-wikipedia-
> aciklamasi,UaPHfIgSq0yDPoVfXo5SOw
> [1]  https://blog.wikimedia.org/2018/05/22/a-letter-to-
> minister-ahmet-arslan/
> [2]  https://blog.wikimedia.org/tr/2018/05/22/bakan-ahmet-arslan-
> vikipedi-dunyadaki-herkes-tarafindan-gelistirilmeye-
> aciktir-ve-turkiyedeki-
> editorler-icin-de-acik-olmalidir/
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