Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiIndaba 2019: Call for Submission.

[Sam Oyeyele]

Hello everyone!

This is a friendly reminder that the call for proposals for WikIndaba 
Conference 2019 ends in less than 5 days; on 14th October. If you wish to 
present a talk, panel or workshop session at this conference, please ensure to 
do that before the deadline. Instructions on how to submit your proposal can be 
found here: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiIndaba_conference_2019/Submissions

Kindly,
Sam.

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Apology for cross posting!
Dear Community Members,
We are now accepting applications for Programs Submission for Wiki Indaba 2019 
in Nigeria.
WikiIndaba will be held in January 2019, in Abuja, Nigeria.Please check the 
below link for more information about 
submissions.https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiIndaba_conference_2019/SubmissionsDeadline
 for submission is October 14th. Please reach out to 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FileLinkTool

[Pine W]

Thanks, this looks like a nice addition that will cumulatively save people
a lot of time if used widely. I'm forwarding to the Commons and Wikitech
lists. I haven't tested it but the concept looks good.

Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )


On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 10:14 AM Ananth Subray 
wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> We are very happy to inform you all that Indic-TechCom has made a new tool
> to give a link to source file after doing the derivative work on commons.
> We all know that how important to mention the source file correctly after
> doing the derivative work. Based on the request of community members
> Indic-TechCom has created. To know more about the tool visit the meta
> page[1]. Indic-TechCom request you all to use it and spread the work to
> your community members. In case if you have suggestions, please let us
> know.
>
>
>
>
> [1]. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Indic-TechCom/Tools/FileLinkTool
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Plea from Wikimedia Portugal

[Pine W]

While I have limited knowledge of the facts in this situation, I am
concerned about the possibility that AffCom is insufficiently investigating
facts before making judgments.

Interventions from Affcom which are undertaken with an insufficient
knowledge of the facts risk doing more harm than good.

I encourage AffCom and WMF to consider whether improving AffCom's capacity
to independently investigate the facts of affiliates' situations should be
increased, for example by authorizing AffCom to contract with legal counsel
who are licensed to practice in countries where AffCom has concerns and who
can independently investigate the facts of affiliates' situations on
AffCom's behalf.

Another difficulty with this situation is AffCom's lack of transparency. If
AffCom was more transparent about its investigations and actions then
outsiders would be able to better understand AffCom's work and evaluate
AffCom's actions. Because AffCom withholds so much information, it is
difficult to say whether AffCom is right or wrong with regards to Wikimedia
Portugal. What I can say is that the lack of transparency, in my opinion,
is a problem, is a poor governance practice, and is difficult to reconcile
with the open source nature of Wikimedia.

I don't want to underestimate the challenge of evaluating compliance of
Wikimedia affiliates around the world. This a big job, and if AffCom
members volunteer their time in good faith and valuable relevant skills
then I'm grateful for that. But I have some concerns about AffCom regarding
transparency, investigative capacity, investigative skills, and
adjudicative process.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Plea from Wikimedia Portugal

[Lane Rasberry]

I do not know Wikimedia Portugal's situation but I am sympathetic to their
claim of difficulty staying in compliance.

Over the years I have heard many Wikimedia community organizations claim
that staying in compliance with Wikimedia Foundation and Affiliations
Committee requests are difficult. As a Wikimedia community member, I have
no idea how I am supposed to interpret these claims. I also worry a lot
that Wiki organization members feel shame and pressure to not report their
challenges for fear of getting a reprimand, like dis-affiliation.

I have a general wish for more information to understand the problem.
Information could include encouraging more Wikimedia community groups to
report in public how they feel about the compliance expectations and more
information from the Wikimedia Foundation / Affiliations Committee about
the extent to which they grade various groups as being in compliance or
not. So far as I know, the aggregate information about this is not
accessible in an easy to read report.

I imagine that a good report would contain a regular survey of Wikimedia
affiliates grading the Wikimedia Foundation and AffCom, and AffCom grading
the various affiliates. I feel like it is extremely difficult and tense to
surface problems and challenges and I wish we could normalize the sharing
of difficulties so that we can collectively address them.

I feel shock and hurt to suddenly hear that Wikimedia Affiliates get
downgraded and then entire countries lose their long-established
representation. If any affiliate has problems, then that is not just a
problem for its regional members, but also a problem for the entire
Wikimedia community and the billions of Wikipedia readers. We all have an
obligation to care for the community health of each other, and none of us
can operate organizations independently.

Although I cannot speak to the Portuguese case specifically, the entire
Wikimedia affiliate structure makes me anxious. Volunteers put so much
labor into this, get so little credit, take so many personal risks, and are
still so vulnerable. Managing a national media enterprise with volunteer
administrative labor is a major challenge, but each Wikimedia chapter is
exactly this. I wish for all organizational processes to run transparently,
smoothly, and in a way that Wikimedia community members all say is fair and
according to a consensus-driven process. When I see one claim like this I
worry that the problem actually is happening in other places but that no
plan is in place to identify, record, report, discuss, and fix the
difficulties.

I know nothing whatsoever about Portugal or the Portuguese language
Wikimedia community but I feel great emotion over any Wiki community in
distress anywhere.


On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 8:48 AM Alchimista  wrote:

> As a wikimedia Portugal board member I totally agree with Gonçalo's
> statement. Despite what I believe where AffCom best efforts, they clearly
> didn't knew how to properly deal with this situation. They took official
> positions without hearing us, they've imposed a roadmap that we had to
> accomplish in order to lift the suspension, and now that we've accomplished
> it, some unexplained accusations came out of the blue. I feel that AffCom
> put us chasing ghosts during the last months and that all we've done so far
> was in vain, and more importantly, is making us reach the limit of our
> capacities. This last message is a clear example of what shouldn’t be done:
> we’ve been working with special motivation knowing that we were doing all
> what was requested in order to get our suspension lifted, and then AffCom
> sends us that opaque accusation, without any previous attempt to get any
> confirmation or information.
>
> Wikimedia Portugal is currently in a sustainable path, despite all the
> entropy, we’ve been able to fulfill all legal obligations, AffCom roadmap,
> improve our governance and transparency and organize activities. We intend
> to keep this path, continuously improving our capacities, but AffCom is
> clearly making it more difficult.
>
> Best regards,
>
> André
>
> GoEthe.wiki  escreveu no dia terça, 9/10/2018 à(s)
> 11:12:
>
> > The original message was rejected due to a filter rule match, but you can
> > access it here:
> >
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediapt/2018-October/002698.html
> > I am sending it below without the links. Please access the link above for
> > the full version.
> > __
> >
> > Sorry in advance for the lengthy email – the tl;dr version is: Wikimedia
> > Portugal has done all it was asked to do, so the suspension that was held
> > conditional to performing those steps must be lifted accordingly. For the
> > sake of transparency, we are sending this out to not only the AffCom
> > mailing list, but also Wikimedia-l and WikimediaPT-l.
> > _
> >
> > Dear members of AffCom,
> >
> > (cc to the Wikimedia Portugal mailing list, Wikimedia mailing list)
> >
> > Last 5th October we were again surprised by 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Plea from Wikimedia Portugal

[Alchimista]

As a wikimedia Portugal board member I totally agree with Gonçalo's
statement. Despite what I believe where AffCom best efforts, they clearly
didn't knew how to properly deal with this situation. They took official
positions without hearing us, they've imposed a roadmap that we had to
accomplish in order to lift the suspension, and now that we've accomplished
it, some unexplained accusations came out of the blue. I feel that AffCom
put us chasing ghosts during the last months and that all we've done so far
was in vain, and more importantly, is making us reach the limit of our
capacities. This last message is a clear example of what shouldn’t be done:
we’ve been working with special motivation knowing that we were doing all
what was requested in order to get our suspension lifted, and then AffCom
sends us that opaque accusation, without any previous attempt to get any
confirmation or information.

Wikimedia Portugal is currently in a sustainable path, despite all the
entropy, we’ve been able to fulfill all legal obligations, AffCom roadmap,
improve our governance and transparency and organize activities. We intend
to keep this path, continuously improving our capacities, but AffCom is
clearly making it more difficult.

Best regards,

André

GoEthe.wiki  escreveu no dia terça, 9/10/2018 à(s)
11:12:

> The original message was rejected due to a filter rule match, but you can
> access it here:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediapt/2018-October/002698.html
> I am sending it below without the links. Please access the link above for
> the full version.
> __
>
> Sorry in advance for the lengthy email – the tl;dr version is: Wikimedia
> Portugal has done all it was asked to do, so the suspension that was held
> conditional to performing those steps must be lifted accordingly. For the
> sake of transparency, we are sending this out to not only the AffCom
> mailing list, but also Wikimedia-l and WikimediaPT-l.
> _
>
> Dear members of AffCom,
>
> (cc to the Wikimedia Portugal mailing list, Wikimedia mailing list)
>
> Last 5th October we were again surprised by the content of your email
> (quoted below) in response to us completing the roadmap we had agreed upon
> in order to remove the suspension of Wikimedia Portugal. On that message,
> you say you have once more received information whose substantiation is not
> mentioned, from sources that are not disclosed. And still you seem to
> accept it as the truth without even providing us with the opportunity to
> get properly acquainted with it, let alone rebate or contradict it. While
> you speak of transparency, that message is unsettlingly opaque, as have
> been multiple such messages relayed to us in the course of this whole
> process.
>
> As you are well aware, Wikimedia Portugal was faced in March with a
> situation where the president of the Board, João Vasconcelos, became
> demissionary without any previous warning [1]. It should be noted that when
> Vasconcelos was elected as president of the Board back in 2015, he wasn’t
> elected based on any background as a Wikimedia editor, as he has no history
> of contribution to any of the Wikimedia projects, but rather on his self
> proclaimed merits on organisational and conflict management (!). Despite
> the best efforts of several people from Wikimedia Portugal over the years,
> Vasconcelos sadly never really integrated well neither on Wikimedia
> Portugal, nor in the Portuguese Wikimedia community.
>
> So, in light of what looked like an existential threat for WMPT, I and a
> number of other WMPT members have publicly and transparently mobilized
> ourselves to organize an extraordinary General Election to elect the new
> Board. Vasconcelos was probably expecting/hoping that we would ask him to
> stay. But we have seen this sort of behavior elsewhere [a].We didn't.
> Instead, we handled the situation cooperatively, as a group, openly.
> Vasconcelos never voiced any desire to take part on this collective
> solution-building, as evidenced by his silence from the discussion on the
> Wikimedia Portugal mailing list in March [2] and April [3]. He was welcome
> to do so. His only message to the mailing list was two days (13 April)
> before the 15 April General Assembly, announcing that he considered the
> planned General Assembly null [4]. Given the lack of legal standing for
> that claim, we carried on with the General Assembly (the transparent,
> inclusive, democratic governing body of associations), summoned according
> to our by-laws. This General Assembly successfully elected new governing
> bodies, including the Board of Directors.
>
> In May we were surprised by a message from AffCom demanding that we stop
> taking part in a conflict, and "refrain from representing ourselves as
> representatives of Wikimedia Portugal" (see quoted message in [5]
>  >).This
> was the very first time the Committee contacted Wikimedia 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] when is the last time a one-line fundraising banner was A/B tested

[Paulo Santos Perneta]

Hello Seddon,

Thanks a lot for the explanations! I also think the system of low level
banners during more time may be better (at least I'm sure it will have a
very significant effect in reducing associated vandalism).

In case it is possible, please tell me when the campaigns for Brazil and
Portugal are about to start, so that I would dedicated more attention to
the help desk, scouting for associated requests of help by putative donors,
and monitor the effects of the campaigns in the vandalism filters  of the
Portuguese Wikipedia.

Regards,
Paulo

Joseph Seddon  escreveu no dia terça, 9/10/2018 à(s)
11:25:

> Hey all,
>
> Coffee is always controversial when it comes to fundraising. I can assure
> you that my team constantly works to try to ensure that these lines are
> appropriate. Our biggest challenge has always been that this line has long
> been extremely effective.
>
> Looking back through our banners, it seems that we have not used the coffee
> line in Brazilian Portuguese since 2015. We first tested replacements to
> this line back in 2015 and since then we've gone with alternatives such as
> "en lache" a snack or "um pastel" a cake. For the most part we've tried to
> use these alternatives in English in these countries as well, though they
> don't always quite carry across the languages barrier.
>
> But it seems like we made a genuine mistake during last years 2017-2018
> fundraising. Coffee wasn't used in pt-br anywhere or in the en-brazil
> desktop banner. But it seems like we accidentally left the line in on our
> English mobile banners. Our sincere apologies to the community for this, it
> remaining in our mobile banners was not intentional
>
> We constantly test and try to find alternatives. Recently we successfully
> managed to replace the coffee line in Italy to "una corsa sulla metro" (a
> metro ticket). In that instance the change wasn't simply a single word but
> several sentences, but that has taken years of effort to find.
>
> As Paulo has mentioned we have for the time being removed it from Portugal
> for this year and we anticipate there will be a drop of around 10%
> associated with that, but like always we will strive to find something that
> beats its.
>
> We will soon be launching campaigns across South America in 7 countries
> (Argentina, Uruguay, México, Chile, Colombia, Perú) and three languages
> (English, Spanish and Portuguese). We’ve have notified the communities
> there (
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/iberocoop/2018-September/000987.html
> ) and seeking feedback on our appeals that we will be running in those
> countries.
>
> We are going to be experimenting with a different structure to this years
> South American campaign as well. Running banners low level over a longer
> period. It’s hoped this will reduce the interruption to readers experiences
> and reduce the disruption to both affiliates and the online communities.
>
> Regards
> Seddon
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 10:09 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I've been checking the last donation campaigns, and since 2013 or so the
> > amount asked in the banner seems to be the equivalent of $3 (I seem to
> > recall that in initial campaigns it was higher).
> >
> > At the current exchange rates, $3 is about 4 regular coffee cups in
> > Portugal, and 3 coffee cups in Brazil.
> >
> > This year we (WMPT) suggested Thea to drop the coffee bit for Portugal,
> and
> > she did. I am curious to see if it had any effect.
> >
> > Paulo
> >
> >
> > Peter Southwood  escreveu no dia sexta,
> > 5/10/2018 à(s) 21:03:
> >
> > > That would be appalling
> > > Cheers,
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> > > Behalf Of James Salsman
> > > Sent: 05 October 2018 20:09
> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] when is the last time a one-line fundraising
> > > banner was A/B tested
> > >
> > > Apparently it says $10 in Brazil?
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:29 AM Paulo Santos Perneta
> > >  wrote:
> > > >...
> > > > Looking by the sample I know in Brazil (last year fundraising
> campaign,
> > > in
> > > > August I believe) the Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia readers often
> got
> > > > enraged to the point of vandalizing articles stating their disgust
> for
> > a
> > > > campaign asking money to an impoverished country (even more saying
> 10$
> > > was
> > > > the cost of a coffee there). Others "donated" money or attempted to
> > > donate
> > > > it thinking it was a kind of a fee for being allowed to read
> Wikipédia
> > > > (kind of a subscription).
> > > On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 10:28 AM Peter Southwood
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I thought this specific message was targeting North Americans for
> whom
> > > $3 is a realistic price. If the message is for worldwide use I would
> also
> > > find it offensive in its US centric price claims. I am in Africa,
> where a
> > > cup of 

[Wikimedia-l] Meet the first board of the UG Wikipedia & Education

[João Alexandre Peschanski]

Dear all!

The UG Wikipedia & Education elected a week ago its first board [1], and it
is my honor to communicate members and roles of this board to the movement.
The electoral process was both smooth and engaging, and thanks for everyone
who got involved with it. Please join me extending the traditional
honorific "Hooray" to the newly elected board members :)

The aim of the UG Wikipedia & Education is officially "to enhance and scale
local and global educational efforts, advocate for education within the
Wikimedia movement, and elevate the narrative of education outside our
movement" [2]. The group was recognized on 27 June 2018.

The first board meeting, that decided on internal board affairs and roles,
was held yesterday; information on meetings and action calls will be shared
on the education list [3]. Stay tuned!

== Board ==

Shani Evenstein, chair

Susanna Mkrtchyan, vice-chair

Ananth Subray, secretary

Filip Maljković, membership admin

Krishna Chaitanya Velaga, treasurer

== References ==

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_%26_Education_User_Group/User_Group_election_2018-2020/Results

[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_%26_Education_User_Group

[3] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education

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Thanks all. Have a great week!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] when is the last time a one-line fundraising banner was A/B tested

[Joseph Seddon]

7 countries = the 6 mentioned + Brazil :D

Seddon


On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 11:24 AM Joseph Seddon  wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Coffee is always controversial when it comes to fundraising. I can assure
> you that my team constantly works to try to ensure that these lines are
> appropriate. Our biggest challenge has always been that this line has long
> been extremely effective.
>
> Looking back through our banners, it seems that we have not used the
> coffee line in Brazilian Portuguese since 2015. We first tested
> replacements to this line back in 2015 and since then we've gone with
> alternatives such as "en lache" a snack or "um pastel" a cake. For the most
> part we've tried to use these alternatives in English in these countries as
> well, though they don't always quite carry across the languages barrier.
>
> But it seems like we made a genuine mistake during last years 2017-2018
> fundraising. Coffee wasn't used in pt-br anywhere or in the en-brazil
> desktop banner. But it seems like we accidentally left the line in on our
> English mobile banners. Our sincere apologies to the community for this, it
> remaining in our mobile banners was not intentional
>
> We constantly test and try to find alternatives. Recently we successfully
> managed to replace the coffee line in Italy to "una corsa sulla metro" (a
> metro ticket). In that instance the change wasn't simply a single word but
> several sentences, but that has taken years of effort to find.
>
> As Paulo has mentioned we have for the time being removed it from Portugal
> for this year and we anticipate there will be a drop of around 10%
> associated with that, but like always we will strive to find something that
> beats its.
>
> We will soon be launching campaigns across South America in 7 countries
> (Argentina, Uruguay, México, Chile, Colombia, Perú) and three languages
> (English, Spanish and Portuguese). We’ve have notified the communities
> there (
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/iberocoop/2018-September/000987.html
> ) and seeking feedback on our appeals that we will be running in those
> countries.
>
> We are going to be experimenting with a different structure to this years
> South American campaign as well. Running banners low level over a longer
> period. It’s hoped this will reduce the interruption to readers experiences
> and reduce the disruption to both affiliates and the online communities.
>
> Regards
> Seddon
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 10:09 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been checking the last donation campaigns, and since 2013 or so the
>> amount asked in the banner seems to be the equivalent of $3 (I seem to
>> recall that in initial campaigns it was higher).
>>
>> At the current exchange rates, $3 is about 4 regular coffee cups in
>> Portugal, and 3 coffee cups in Brazil.
>>
>> This year we (WMPT) suggested Thea to drop the coffee bit for Portugal,
>> and
>> she did. I am curious to see if it had any effect.
>>
>> Paulo
>>
>>
>> Peter Southwood  escreveu no dia sexta,
>> 5/10/2018 à(s) 21:03:
>>
>> > That would be appalling
>> > Cheers,
>> > Peter
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
>> > Behalf Of James Salsman
>> > Sent: 05 October 2018 20:09
>> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
>> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] when is the last time a one-line fundraising
>> > banner was A/B tested
>> >
>> > Apparently it says $10 in Brazil?
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:29 AM Paulo Santos Perneta
>> >  wrote:
>> > >...
>> > > Looking by the sample I know in Brazil (last year fundraising
>> campaign,
>> > in
>> > > August I believe) the Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia readers often got
>> > > enraged to the point of vandalizing articles stating their disgust
>> for a
>> > > campaign asking money to an impoverished country (even more saying 10$
>> > was
>> > > the cost of a coffee there). Others "donated" money or attempted to
>> > donate
>> > > it thinking it was a kind of a fee for being allowed to read Wikipédia
>> > > (kind of a subscription).
>> > On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 10:28 AM Peter Southwood
>> >  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I thought this specific message was targeting North Americans for whom
>> > $3 is a realistic price. If the message is for worldwide use I would
>> also
>> > find it offensive in its US centric price claims. I am in Africa, where
>> a
>> > cup of coffee would normally be less than $3 US, but is enormously
>> variable
>> > depending on where you are, what coffee you drink, and who you buy it
>> from.
>> > I don't drink coffee myself, so not particularly expert on the topic.
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Peter
>> > >
>> > > -Original Message-
>> > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
>> > Behalf Of James Salsman
>> > > Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 7:17 PM
>> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
>> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] when is the last time a one-line
>> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] when is the last time a one-line fundraising banner was A/B tested

[Joseph Seddon]

Hey all,

Coffee is always controversial when it comes to fundraising. I can assure
you that my team constantly works to try to ensure that these lines are
appropriate. Our biggest challenge has always been that this line has long
been extremely effective.

Looking back through our banners, it seems that we have not used the coffee
line in Brazilian Portuguese since 2015. We first tested replacements to
this line back in 2015 and since then we've gone with alternatives such as
"en lache" a snack or "um pastel" a cake. For the most part we've tried to
use these alternatives in English in these countries as well, though they
don't always quite carry across the languages barrier.

But it seems like we made a genuine mistake during last years 2017-2018
fundraising. Coffee wasn't used in pt-br anywhere or in the en-brazil
desktop banner. But it seems like we accidentally left the line in on our
English mobile banners. Our sincere apologies to the community for this, it
remaining in our mobile banners was not intentional

We constantly test and try to find alternatives. Recently we successfully
managed to replace the coffee line in Italy to "una corsa sulla metro" (a
metro ticket). In that instance the change wasn't simply a single word but
several sentences, but that has taken years of effort to find.

As Paulo has mentioned we have for the time being removed it from Portugal
for this year and we anticipate there will be a drop of around 10%
associated with that, but like always we will strive to find something that
beats its.

We will soon be launching campaigns across South America in 7 countries
(Argentina, Uruguay, México, Chile, Colombia, Perú) and three languages
(English, Spanish and Portuguese). We’ve have notified the communities
there (
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/iberocoop/2018-September/000987.html
) and seeking feedback on our appeals that we will be running in those
countries.

We are going to be experimenting with a different structure to this years
South American campaign as well. Running banners low level over a longer
period. It’s hoped this will reduce the interruption to readers experiences
and reduce the disruption to both affiliates and the online communities.

Regards
Seddon




On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 10:09 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been checking the last donation campaigns, and since 2013 or so the
> amount asked in the banner seems to be the equivalent of $3 (I seem to
> recall that in initial campaigns it was higher).
>
> At the current exchange rates, $3 is about 4 regular coffee cups in
> Portugal, and 3 coffee cups in Brazil.
>
> This year we (WMPT) suggested Thea to drop the coffee bit for Portugal, and
> she did. I am curious to see if it had any effect.
>
> Paulo
>
>
> Peter Southwood  escreveu no dia sexta,
> 5/10/2018 à(s) 21:03:
>
> > That would be appalling
> > Cheers,
> > Peter
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> > Behalf Of James Salsman
> > Sent: 05 October 2018 20:09
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] when is the last time a one-line fundraising
> > banner was A/B tested
> >
> > Apparently it says $10 in Brazil?
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:29 AM Paulo Santos Perneta
> >  wrote:
> > >...
> > > Looking by the sample I know in Brazil (last year fundraising campaign,
> > in
> > > August I believe) the Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia readers often got
> > > enraged to the point of vandalizing articles stating their disgust for
> a
> > > campaign asking money to an impoverished country (even more saying 10$
> > was
> > > the cost of a coffee there). Others "donated" money or attempted to
> > donate
> > > it thinking it was a kind of a fee for being allowed to read Wikipédia
> > > (kind of a subscription).
> > On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 10:28 AM Peter Southwood
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I thought this specific message was targeting North Americans for whom
> > $3 is a realistic price. If the message is for worldwide use I would also
> > find it offensive in its US centric price claims. I am in Africa, where a
> > cup of coffee would normally be less than $3 US, but is enormously
> variable
> > depending on where you are, what coffee you drink, and who you buy it
> from.
> > I don't drink coffee myself, so not particularly expert on the topic.
> > > Cheers,
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> > Behalf Of James Salsman
> > > Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 7:17 PM
> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] when is the last time a one-line fundraising
> > banner was A/B tested
> > >
> > > Someone recently complained that referring to the equivalent of USD $3
> > > as the cost of a cup of coffee was incorrect and substantially
> > > offensive in Brazil. And then a few weeks later there was a discussion
> > > about how 

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Sorry in advance for the lengthy email – the tl;dr version is: Wikimedia
Portugal has done all it was asked to do, so the suspension that was held
conditional to performing those steps must be lifted accordingly. For the
sake of transparency, we are sending this out to not only the AffCom
mailing list, but also Wikimedia-l and WikimediaPT-l.
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Dear members of AffCom,

(cc to the Wikimedia Portugal mailing list, Wikimedia mailing list)

Last 5th October we were again surprised by the content of your email
(quoted below) in response to us completing the roadmap we had agreed upon
in order to remove the suspension of Wikimedia Portugal. On that message,
you say you have once more received information whose substantiation is not
mentioned, from sources that are not disclosed. And still you seem to
accept it as the truth without even providing us with the opportunity to
get properly acquainted with it, let alone rebate or contradict it. While
you speak of transparency, that message is unsettlingly opaque, as have
been multiple such messages relayed to us in the course of this whole
process.

As you are well aware, Wikimedia Portugal was faced in March with a
situation where the president of the Board, João Vasconcelos, became
demissionary without any previous warning [1]. It should be noted that when
Vasconcelos was elected as president of the Board back in 2015, he wasn’t
elected based on any background as a Wikimedia editor, as he has no history
of contribution to any of the Wikimedia projects, but rather on his self
proclaimed merits on organisational and conflict management (!). Despite
the best efforts of several people from Wikimedia Portugal over the years,
Vasconcelos sadly never really integrated well neither on Wikimedia
Portugal, nor in the Portuguese Wikimedia community.

So, in light of what looked like an existential threat for WMPT, I and a
number of other WMPT members have publicly and transparently mobilized
ourselves to organize an extraordinary General Election to elect the new
Board. Vasconcelos was probably expecting/hoping that we would ask him to
stay. But we have seen this sort of behavior elsewhere [a].We didn't.
Instead, we handled the situation cooperatively, as a group, openly.
Vasconcelos never voiced any desire to take part on this collective
solution-building, as evidenced by his silence from the discussion on the
Wikimedia Portugal mailing list in March [2] and April [3]. He was welcome
to do so. His only message to the mailing list was two days (13 April)
before the 15 April General Assembly, announcing that he considered the
planned General Assembly null [4]. Given the lack of legal standing for
that claim, we carried on with the General Assembly (the transparent,
inclusive, democratic governing body of associations), summoned according
to our by-laws. This General Assembly successfully elected new governing
bodies, including the Board of Directors.

In May we were surprised by a message from AffCom demanding that we stop
taking part in a conflict, and "refrain from representing ourselves as
representatives of Wikimedia Portugal" (see quoted message in [5]
).This
was the very first time the Committee contacted Wikimedia Portugal about
this case. The message provided no legal precedent or framework for this
demand, no indication of what this conflict was, or why AffCom thought the
Board was a part of it.

From what we understood, Vasconcelos went to the Wikimedia Conference in
Berlin, where he seems to have convinced AffCom that our General Assembly
of 15 April was legally void.

We have repeatedly provided concrete evidence that t it was not the case,
including quoting relevant court decisions backing this [6]
.
In response, AffCom reported having no time to read through legal texts,
and therefore not being able to assess the validity of our declarations,
but that is beyond our control. And yet AffCom accepted Vasconcelos’
version without question. It is a legal imperative to be held innocent
until proven guilty, and until it is legally proven there was some
wrongdoing, General Assemblies are valid and binding.

After the April General Assembly we were working, in addition to our
activities and programs, to put the association in order in terms of
obligations to the Portuguese state and the tax authorities, providing
access to WMPT’s bank account to the persons designated on the 15 April GA,
and so on. Things were getting on track...

We were surprised again in July by a message from AffCom temporarily
suspending