Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Jane Darnell
Well of course it is impossible for me to peek in the kitchens of all other Wikipedia article creators, but speaking for myself, I don't blindly type into a blank editing window but prepare the way forward by knitting a sweater of edits, generally across various projects, including other language

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost – Volume 14, Issue 13 – 24 December 2018

2018-12-31 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
>From the editors: Where to draw the line in reporting? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-12-24/From_the_editors Op-ed: Wikipedia not trumped by Trump appointee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-12-24/Op-ed Special report: The Signpost

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Yaroslav Blanter escreveu no dia domingo, 30/12/2018 à(s) 13:55: > Re milennials: this is clearly not a red herring. Just ask Facebook what > their demographics is and why the 18- generation is not using it. > Stats show that Galinha Pintadinha was one of the most viewed articles in 2018 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Kiril Simeonovski escreveu no dia segunda, 31/12/2018 à(s) 10:05: > some innovations. The problem with expanding an unchanged and obsolete > infrastructure to underrepresented groups might result to no avail and > further incentivise a major shift, thus doubling the cost invested in >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I expect the degree of incidence of vandalism and its patterns would remain the same in the brethren articles as in the parent one, so more items to watchlist should not be a problem (it will be shown moreless the same times as if it was in one piece, but showing the parts). It can also allow for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
בתאריך יום א׳, 30 בדצמ׳ 2018, 15:55, מאת Yaroslav Blanter : > > > Re main point: People, let us be serious. We missed mobile editing (well, > at least this has been identified as a problem, and something is being done > about it). We missed voice interfaces. We are now missing neural networks. >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Ahh, it would really be a fantastic improvement if we could get rid of all that template & category clutter from the articles. Wikipedia categories are generally anathema to newbies, more like some weird and absurd core they have to do in order to have their article accepted. Even to me, who have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Kiril Simeonovski
P.S. I can give you a very nice example of this happening in practice from my personal experience. Few years ago, we produced high-quality videos documenting physics and chemistry experiments that had to be added to related articles. The project was welcomed by some chapters, mostly despised by

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Kiril Simeonovski
Hi Paulo, I agree that more or less we know what activities are intended for new and what for experienced users. The challenging part is to make a sensible decision on whether to reach out to new users using the visual editor and the translation tool or to continue with the old-fashioned code

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Samuel Klein
Dear Kiril, I assume you mean these lovely experiments by Shared Knowledge: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_from_the_Republic_of_Macedonia They are lovely, and look like they are now in use. I like specific examples like these; was there any description of the project

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Kiril Simeonovski
Hi Sj, The project documentation can be found on Meta and the story was also featured in the GLAM newsletter twice. The idea about dedicated environment either as a separate wiki or as part of the incubator for testing novelties is sound, and it would be interesting to see how that will work in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
‫בתאריך יום ב׳, 31 בדצמ׳ 2018 ב-10:14 מאת ‪Peter Southwood‬‏ <‪ peter.southw...@telkomsa.net‬‏>:‬ Does the technology exist? Is it available? How does this splitting make maintenance easier? Cheers, Peter Not exactly, but it's doable and it's desirable. There are two relatively recently

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread James Heilman
With respect to complexity of language, we have some data in publication, looking at the the leads of English medical articles over time. Good news is that they have improved over the last 10 years from a reading level of close to "grade 16" to just under "grade 13". This has been a concerted

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
בתאריך יום ג׳, 1 בינו׳ 2019, 07:37, מאת Paulo Santos Perneta < paulospern...@gmail.com>: > Ahh, it would really be a fantastic improvement if we could get rid of all > that template & category clutter from the articles. [...] Let me tell a little > story: Some months ago I was in a workshop

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Peter Southwood
Does the technology exist? Is it available? How does this splitting make maintenance easier? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Darnell Sent: 30 December 2018 15:42 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Peter Southwood
The problem with using simple language in complex topics is that simple language almost always needs far more words to say the same thing. The simpler the language, the more words are needed, assuming that the original was not unnecessarily verbose. This is why specialist terms exist: they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Peter Southwood
I would see more items to watchlist, as in place of one large item you would have all the components to worry about. I don't follow the easier to de-orphanise aspect. Also don’t see how having to have the reference section on half a dozen sub-articles is simpler than having the whole list on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Kiril Simeonovski
Hi all, Yaroslav has brought some very relevant points that unfortunately have not been discussed in great detail in the past but my conclusions differ a bit from those that he has drawn and the main source of the concerns he has identified. My thoughts are summarised in turn. Firstly, Wikipedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Kiril Simeonovski
*(The message has been re-sent because of an unfinished part left in the original one.)* Hi all, Yaroslav has brought some very relevant points that unfortunately have not been discussed in great detail in the past but my conclusions differ a bit from those that he has drawn and the main source