Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

2019-05-20 Thread Benjamin Ikuta 


Do you think it might be a common misconception, perhaps? 



On May 20, 2019, at 6:39 AM, Paulo Santos Perneta  
wrote:

> The idea that NC is "open and free" is growing like a cancer in Brazil and
> Portugal. I've been noticing that for some time already, and I do believe
> we as a Movement should have some sort of plan or strategy to fight that -
> and never indulge in accepting NC as a valid license for the Wikimedia
> projects, as IMO it really hinders our mission of a free and open project.
> 
> Paulo
> 
> Yury Bulka  escreveu no dia segunda,
> 20/05/2019 à(s) 07:28:
> 
>>> From: Mister Thrapostibongles 
>>> 
>>> I'm not quite sure what you mean here.  Firstly, this isn't the right
>> venue
>>> for a discussion of the general principle of non-commercial licensing,
>>> especially as the Foundation has decided on the use of licences that
>> permit
>>> commercial reuse.
>> In my opition it's not a terribly offtopic subject for this list, but
>> let my clarify that my intent is not to revisit the current licensing
>> policy of Wikimedia projects.
>> 
>> I just thought that this could be useful to someone advocating for the
>> use of fully libre licenses (the ones without any non-commercial
>> clauses) outside Wikimedia projects, as it shows how the non-commercial
>> clause could be interpreted by some actors that have resources and
>> rights to go to court over your use of the work.
>> 
>>> And secondly, there's nothing to prevent a rights owner
>>> from granting a full/libre licence if they want to for the works they
>> own:
>>> so why would one need to advocate for it, here or anywhere else?
>> Because many people think that non-commercial is good enough, for
>> instance MPs establishing laws touching Freedom of Panorama.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Yury.
>> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Possible abuse of Wikipedia ToS by SurveyMonkey

2019-05-20 Thread Elena Lappen 
Hi MarioGom,

Thanks for outlining these concerns. The Legal Team is currently looking into 
the issue and has reached out to SurveyMonkey for additional information. I 
will provide an update here when the matter is resolved.


Best,
Elena

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Elena Lappen (she/her)
Community Relations Specialist 
Wikimedia Foundation 



> On May 11, 2019, at 8:40 AM, Mario Gómez  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Since the WMF has an ongoing partnership with SurveyMonkey [1][2], the WMF
> could review their possible abuse of Wikipedia ToS and, if confirmed,
> require them to cease this activity.
> 
> SurveyMonkey's possible use of undisclosed paid editing service was already
> brought to your attention on this mailing list in July 2018. SurveyMonkey
> was by then suspect of hiring Go Fish Digital to edit their Wikipedia
> article.
> 
> In November 2018, the article started receiving edits from EastWestern [4],
> an account that was blocked from Wikipedia for sockpuppetting and whose
> behavior is very close to the Go Fish Digital sockpuppet farm uncovered
> last year. Suspicious activity resumed after the block by another user, who
> is pending a sockpuppet investigation.
> 
> Given the WMF relation to SurveyMonkey, is it possible to do something
> about this?
> 
> [1]
> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_2018_Fundraising_Banner_Survey_Privacy_Statement
> [2]
> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_2019_Fundraising_Banner_Survey_Privacy_Statement
> [3]
> https://www.mail-archive.com/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/msg30648.html
> [4]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=SurveyMonkey==500=history
> 
> Best,
> 
> MarioGom
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

2019-05-20 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta 
The idea that NC is "open and free" is growing like a cancer in Brazil and
Portugal. I've been noticing that for some time already, and I do believe
we as a Movement should have some sort of plan or strategy to fight that -
and never indulge in accepting NC as a valid license for the Wikimedia
projects, as IMO it really hinders our mission of a free and open project.

Paulo

Yury Bulka  escreveu no dia segunda,
20/05/2019 à(s) 07:28:

> > From: Mister Thrapostibongles 
> >
> > I'm not quite sure what you mean here.  Firstly, this isn't the right
> venue
> > for a discussion of the general principle of non-commercial licensing,
> > especially as the Foundation has decided on the use of licences that
> permit
> > commercial reuse.
> In my opition it's not a terribly offtopic subject for this list, but
> let my clarify that my intent is not to revisit the current licensing
> policy of Wikimedia projects.
>
> I just thought that this could be useful to someone advocating for the
> use of fully libre licenses (the ones without any non-commercial
> clauses) outside Wikimedia projects, as it shows how the non-commercial
> clause could be interpreted by some actors that have resources and
> rights to go to court over your use of the work.
>
> > And secondly, there's nothing to prevent a rights owner
> > from granting a full/libre licence if they want to for the works they
> own:
> > so why would one need to advocate for it, here or anywhere else?
> Because many people think that non-commercial is good enough, for
> instance MPs establishing laws touching Freedom of Panorama.
>
> Best,
> Yury.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

2019-05-20 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta 
Where would it fit in Strategy 2030? Advocacy?

Paulo

James Heilman  escreveu no dia segunda, 20/05/2019 à(s)
05:41:

> We all agree NC licenses are poor. The WMF position was a reflection of the
> community's position at the time and this likely remains the community's
> position today.
>
> If we as a movement however were to decide we want to allow NC video such
> that we can use Khan academy and Ted talks I doubt the WMF would veto it.
> We do count as non commercial. It would however decrease the incentive for
> these groups to drop NC but they are unlikely to regardless.
>
> Not sure if the strategy process is considering this specific question.
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2019, 09:41 Mister Thrapostibongles <
> thrapostibong...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > James
> >
> > > Per "the Foundation has decided", it is not the foundation but our
> > movement
> > > that has decided that we will mostly only allow licenses that allow
> > > commercial reuse.
> > >
> >
> > That doesn't seem quite right.  The Foundation Board adopted a resolution
> > on 23 March 2007,  which is published at
> > https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Licensing_policy and
> > cross-referred to on Wikipedia as still current, headed
> >
> > > This policy is approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
> > > .
> > > It may not be circumvented, eroded, or ignored by Wikimedia Foundation
> > > officers or staff nor local policies of any Wikimedia project
> > > .
> >
> >
> > and statng
> >
> >- All projects are expected to host only content which is under a Free
> >Content License, or which is otherwise free as recognized by the
> >'Definition of Free Cultural Works' as referenced above.
> >
> > So it seems to me that it is the Foundation not the movement that
> controls
> > the licensing.
> >
> > Thrapostibongles
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

2019-05-20 Thread Yury Bulka 
> From: Lane Rasberry 
>
> In 2009 Creative Commons published "Defining Noncommercial", a 250-page
> report presenting survey data on what people consider to be
> "noncommercial". There is a copy of the report at
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons_NonCommercial_license
Thanks a lot, I didn't know about this report.

> Creative Commons calls NC licenses "non-free", which I think is a great
> place to start any conversation about them.
Good point.

Best,
Yury.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

2019-05-20 Thread Yury Bulka 
> From: Mister Thrapostibongles 
>
> I'm not quite sure what you mean here.  Firstly, this isn't the right venue
> for a discussion of the general principle of non-commercial licensing,
> especially as the Foundation has decided on the use of licences that permit
> commercial reuse.
In my opition it's not a terribly offtopic subject for this list, but
let my clarify that my intent is not to revisit the current licensing
policy of Wikimedia projects.

I just thought that this could be useful to someone advocating for the
use of fully libre licenses (the ones without any non-commercial
clauses) outside Wikimedia projects, as it shows how the non-commercial
clause could be interpreted by some actors that have resources and
rights to go to court over your use of the work.

> And secondly, there's nothing to prevent a rights owner
> from granting a full/libre licence if they want to for the works they own:
> so why would one need to advocate for it, here or anywhere else?
Because many people think that non-commercial is good enough, for
instance MPs establishing laws touching Freedom of Panorama.

Best,
Yury.

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