Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

2019-06-03 Thread Thomas Shafee
In response to a few of the earlier questions (apologies for the delays): *Quality control* There are a few mechanisms in place for quality control: - Standard academic processes of external peer reviews which for wikijournals are all public (journals such as PLOS are moving in the same

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Grupo de Usuários Wiki Movimento Brasil

2019-06-03 Thread Chico Venancio
Dear Seddon, Thank you for your interest in the Brazilian community. The Affiliations Committee has created a page to discuss the situation in the Brazilian community. You may want to direct questions to them or in general to community members on this page [1]. The User Group Wiki Movimento

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

2019-06-03 Thread John Erling Blad
How often do you expect a scientific article to be translated? On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 7:46 PM James Heilman wrote: > > Wiki Journals use CC BY SA. We do not support or want to us ND as that > would prevent translation into other languages. That is why I disagree with > Plan S's move to allow ND.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

2019-06-03 Thread James Heilman
But to clarify, the intent is to be Plan-S compliant from what I understand. James On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 11:46 AM James Heilman wrote: > Wiki Journals use CC BY SA. We do not support or want to us ND as that > would prevent translation into other languages. That is why I disagree with > Plan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

2019-06-03 Thread James Heilman
Wiki Journals use CC BY SA. We do not support or want to us ND as that would prevent translation into other languages. That is why I disagree with Plan S's move to allow ND. James On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 9:08 AM Vi to wrote: > En.wikiversity user I'm dealing with was a custodian (in other words

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

2019-06-03 Thread Vi to
En.wikiversity user I'm dealing with was a custodian (in other words a well established user within the community). Keeping it short my main concern is: we are a naturally democratic community, while the science cannot be. Also, we've been attracting low quality "research" for years. Vito Il

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

2019-06-03 Thread John Erling Blad
Do editing in a non-indexed draft space and then move the articles into an indexed mainspace after passing peer review. I guess a "WikiJournal" should be CC-ND by default. Authors should be able to relax the license. If others are allowed to edit then the license should be forced to CC-by-SA.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

2019-06-03 Thread John Erling Blad
One reason; reach. At nowiki we vere approached some years ago by a university about publishing cutting edge research in fish farming. We could not publish their work because some claimed it to be "original research". Sure it was, and it was darn good original research too. I don't think that was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

2019-06-03 Thread John Erling Blad
Ok. Works might not be accepted if people outside a well-defined group contributes to the work. On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 3:50 PM Thomas Shafee wrote: > > So at the moment, there is no locking of any sort. However, but it's noted > that once an article is assigned a doi, that meaning-changing edits

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

2019-06-03 Thread James Heilman
The peer review process and the editors of the journals in question. This is the same mechanism that prevents gibberish from getting into all peer reviewed literature. J On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 6:30 AM Vi to wrote: > In years I've seen countless attempts to put gibberish on our projects > which

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

2019-06-03 Thread Thomas Townsend
What is the objection in principle to ND licencing? If you publish a paper detailing your experiments on apricot kernels as a cure for cancer with a conclusion that they are completely worthless, and give it a BY licence, I can now "remix" it, that is publish exactly the same material, except

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

2019-06-03 Thread Mister Thrapostibongles
James It already is Plan-S compliant :-) Unfortunately Plan-S requires rather more than a conformant licence. It also imposes strict conditions on business models and editorial practices, not all of which have yet been completely finalised: see

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

2019-06-03 Thread Thomas Shafee
So at the moment, there is no locking of any sort. However, but it's noted that once an article is assigned a doi, that meaning-changing edits would be re-reviewed and an updated doi minted by from crossref's crossmark service along the lines of this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

2019-06-03 Thread Vi to
In years I've seen countless attempts to put gibberish on our projects which were eventually defeated by the "no original research" principle. Even en.wikiversity struggled with a now banned user (and his friends/enablers) pushing lots of gibberish about cold fusion, paranormal and Wikimedia user