Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

2019-10-04 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
This is a very interesting strategy for any well developed affiliate. It
allows :

* decentralization, and stronger local groups, now as full fledged
affiliates
* more seats in Berlin and other conferences
* more votes in the ASBS election
* less financial burden over the national chapter, and additional funding
for local activities.

Huge and well established chapters like WMDE could easily set up dozens of
local affiliates, with great advantage.

Paulo



A sexta, 4 de out de 2019, 08:04, Philip Kopetzky 
escreveu:

> I can only reiterate what Lodewijk said - I'm trying to find the approach
> and goals in the decision to acknowledge user groups that seem to be an
> integral part (or from an outside perspective, should be) of the national
> chapter. In the past this has been an indicator of personal conflicts
> within a chapter or user group and AffCom perpetuating these conflicts by
> setting up competing affiliates (the situation in Albania being a recent
> example of this).
>
> Best,
> Philip
>
>
> On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 06:33, effe iets anders 
> wrote:
>
> > I would like to note that one of the contacts of this user group is
> > Vladimir Medeyko, the director of Wikimedia Russia. I'm assuming
> > comfortably that this application happened in full coordination with
> > Wikimedia Russia.
> >
> > The question about process is still an interesting one though (what is
> > nowadays the approach of Affcom, and what are the considerations) when a
> > user group application comes in from a geographic area with an active
> > affiliate at a 'higher level' (in this case, a country). You could
> continue
> > the comparison with what happens if an application would come in from
> South
> > of Nevsky (a neighborhood in St. Petersburg).
> >
> > Lodewijk
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 3:29 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> > paulospern...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Wikimedia NYC is a very different situation, there is not a national
> > > chapter in the US, so it's not a cell of anything.
> > > Just to clarify: Saint Petersburg eventually could not be a cell, but
> the
> > > way it is presented (to promote Wikimedia RU activities in SP, with
> same
> > > Wikimedia RU people), it's basically a cell.
> > >
> > > Paulo
> > >
> > > Yuri Astrakhan  escreveu no dia quinta,
> > 3/10/2019
> > > à(s) 23:06:
> > >
> > > > What about Wikimedia NYC?  (I'm not sure of its organizational
> status)
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 6:03 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> > > > paulospern...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Wales is a whole country complete with it's own language, I don't
> > > believe
> > > > > it compares with a city UG.
> > > > >
> > > > > Paulo
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy Mabbett  escreveu no dia quinta,
> > > > 3/10/2019
> > > > > à(s) 22:53:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 20:45, Paulo Santos Perneta
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if apparently
> it's
> > > > > > basically
> > > > > > > a cell of Wikimedia Russia?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's a curious precedent.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The precedent was already set, in March 2017, by Wikimedia
> > Community
> > > > > > User Group Wales (c/f Wikimedia UK).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Andy Mabbett
> > > > > > @pigsonthewing
> > > > > > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
> > > > > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

2019-10-04 Thread Philip Kopetzky
I can only reiterate what Lodewijk said - I'm trying to find the approach
and goals in the decision to acknowledge user groups that seem to be an
integral part (or from an outside perspective, should be) of the national
chapter. In the past this has been an indicator of personal conflicts
within a chapter or user group and AffCom perpetuating these conflicts by
setting up competing affiliates (the situation in Albania being a recent
example of this).

Best,
Philip


On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 06:33, effe iets anders 
wrote:

> I would like to note that one of the contacts of this user group is
> Vladimir Medeyko, the director of Wikimedia Russia. I'm assuming
> comfortably that this application happened in full coordination with
> Wikimedia Russia.
>
> The question about process is still an interesting one though (what is
> nowadays the approach of Affcom, and what are the considerations) when a
> user group application comes in from a geographic area with an active
> affiliate at a 'higher level' (in this case, a country). You could continue
> the comparison with what happens if an application would come in from South
> of Nevsky (a neighborhood in St. Petersburg).
>
> Lodewijk
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 3:29 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> paulospern...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Wikimedia NYC is a very different situation, there is not a national
> > chapter in the US, so it's not a cell of anything.
> > Just to clarify: Saint Petersburg eventually could not be a cell, but the
> > way it is presented (to promote Wikimedia RU activities in SP, with same
> > Wikimedia RU people), it's basically a cell.
> >
> > Paulo
> >
> > Yuri Astrakhan  escreveu no dia quinta,
> 3/10/2019
> > à(s) 23:06:
> >
> > > What about Wikimedia NYC?  (I'm not sure of its organizational status)
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 6:03 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> > > paulospern...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Wales is a whole country complete with it's own language, I don't
> > believe
> > > > it compares with a city UG.
> > > >
> > > > Paulo
> > > >
> > > > Andy Mabbett  escreveu no dia quinta,
> > > 3/10/2019
> > > > à(s) 22:53:
> > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 20:45, Paulo Santos Perneta
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if apparently it's
> > > > > basically
> > > > > > a cell of Wikimedia Russia?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's a curious precedent.
> > > > >
> > > > > The precedent was already set, in March 2017, by Wikimedia
> Community
> > > > > User Group Wales (c/f Wikimedia UK).
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Andy Mabbett
> > > > > @pigsonthewing
> > > > > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
> > > > >
> > > > > ___
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

2019-10-04 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
BTW, I seem to recall that in last ASBS election, affiliates which
presented something like 70% member overlap with another affiliate would
not be allowed to participate in the process.
If this practice is kept, it avoids gaming the system (intentionally or
unintentionally) through a multiplication of affiliates which are basically
cells or clones of one of them.

If this is safeguarded, cell-style affiliates probably can become a nice
feature.

Paulo

Paulo Santos Perneta  escreveu no dia sábado,
5/10/2019 à(s) 00:45:

> Hey,
>
> "*1) if a group has more active cores, maybe they should be more broadly
> represented in Berlin. Maybe these constructs shouldn't be necessary.*"
> -> I can agree with that point, yes;
> "*2) No matter how much some care about the ASBS, I doubt that this will
> be a driving force to get more bureaucracy (because that is the cost of
> setting up a UG).*" - I respect your opinion, but IMO getting to have
> increased, or even decisive power on the election of 2 of the 5 members
> (which in turn appoint and confirm the other 5) of the board of one of the
> biggest players and stakeholders of modern days, as the Wikimedia
> Foundation has been growing into progressively, is indeed a powerful driven
> force. Furthermore, as far as I know, bureaucratic requirements for UGs are
> really low, and in line with a department or cell would have to report to
> the mother organization. I'm not saying or even suggesting this was the
> driven force behind the formation of the SPUG, I certainly assume good
> faith. I'm saying that it may be a driven force for similar cases presented
> as local affiliates more or less explicitly under the umbrella of a
> national chapter to pop up. And this aspect can be potentially unfair, and
> even amount to abuse of the system, as a trick to gather more votes;
> *"3) funding for local activities is probably not really a consideration
> in the case of Russia, where foreign funding is (to put it mildly)
> 'complicated'.* I mentioned funding, not WMF funding necessarily. It's
> perfectly understandable that a locally registered association may have, in
> some contexts, more easy access to funds than a national one. I live in an
> autonomous region where it is very common, so I understand it may be indeed
> a legitimate reason to create and register a local affiliate. No idea if
> that is the case of Saint Petersburg, but if it is, it's a smart move.
>
> Basically, I'm not criticizing this approval - I've no idea what is behind
> the group formation, though I assume the members have the best intentions,
> and it actually looks like a smart move. I'm just curious if this will
> become a trend, and how will it develop.
>
> Best,
> Paulo
>
> effe iets anders  escreveu no dia sexta,
> 4/10/2019 à(s) 21:39:
>
>> Sure, if you want to see it through that lens I guess you could argue
>> such.
>> However, just to put things in perspective: 1) if a group has more active
>> cores, maybe they should be more broadly represented in Berlin. Maybe
>> these
>> constructs shouldn't be necessary. 2) No matter how much some care about
>> the ASBS, I doubt that this will be a driving force to get more
>> bureaucracy
>> (because that is the cost of setting up a UG). 3) funding for local
>> activities is probably not really a consideration in the case of Russia,
>> where foreign funding is (to put it mildly) 'complicated'.
>>
>> Lets assume for the sake of the discussion that the group has legitimate
>> reasons to request affiliate status (although I have my assumptions, I'm
>> curious what tipped the scale).
>>
>> Lodewijk
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 3:01 AM Paulo Santos Perneta <
>> paulospern...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > This is a very interesting strategy for any well developed affiliate. It
>> > allows :
>> >
>> > * decentralization, and stronger local groups, now as full fledged
>> > affiliates
>> > * more seats in Berlin and other conferences
>> > * more votes in the ASBS election
>> > * less financial burden over the national chapter, and additional
>> funding
>> > for local activities.
>> >
>> > Huge and well established chapters like WMDE could easily set up dozens
>> of
>> > local affiliates, with great advantage.
>> >
>> > Paulo
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > A sexta, 4 de out de 2019, 08:04, Philip Kopetzky <
>> > philip.kopet...@gmail.com>
>> > escreveu:
>> >
>> > > I can only reiterate what Lodewijk said - I'm trying to find the
>> approach
>> > > and goals in the decision to acknowledge user groups that seem to be
>> an
>> > > integral part (or from an outside perspective, should be) of the
>> national
>> > > chapter. In the past this has been an indicator of personal conflicts
>> > > within a chapter or user group and AffCom perpetuating these
>> conflicts by
>> > > setting up competing affiliates (the situation in Albania being a
>> recent
>> > > example of this).
>> > >
>> > > Best,
>> > > Philip
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 06:33, effe iets anders <
>> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

2019-10-04 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hey,

"*1) if a group has more active cores, maybe they should be more broadly
represented in Berlin. Maybe these constructs shouldn't be necessary.*" ->
I can agree with that point, yes;
"*2) No matter how much some care about the ASBS, I doubt that this will be
a driving force to get more bureaucracy (because that is the cost of
setting up a UG).*" - I respect your opinion, but IMO getting to have
increased, or even decisive power on the election of 2 of the 5 members
(which in turn appoint and confirm the other 5) of the board of one of the
biggest players and stakeholders of modern days, as the Wikimedia
Foundation has been growing into progressively, is indeed a powerful driven
force. Furthermore, as far as I know, bureaucratic requirements for UGs are
really low, and in line with a department or cell would have to report to
the mother organization. I'm not saying or even suggesting this was the
driven force behind the formation of the SPUG, I certainly assume good
faith. I'm saying that it may be a driven force for similar cases presented
as local affiliates more or less explicitly under the umbrella of a
national chapter to pop up. And this aspect can be potentially unfair, and
even amount to abuse of the system, as a trick to gather more votes;
*"3) funding for local activities is probably not really a consideration in
the case of Russia, where foreign funding is (to put it mildly)
'complicated'.* I mentioned funding, not WMF funding necessarily. It's
perfectly understandable that a locally registered association may have, in
some contexts, more easy access to funds than a national one. I live in an
autonomous region where it is very common, so I understand it may be indeed
a legitimate reason to create and register a local affiliate. No idea if
that is the case of Saint Petersburg, but if it is, it's a smart move.

Basically, I'm not criticizing this approval - I've no idea what is behind
the group formation, though I assume the members have the best intentions,
and it actually looks like a smart move. I'm just curious if this will
become a trend, and how will it develop.

Best,
Paulo

effe iets anders  escreveu no dia sexta,
4/10/2019 à(s) 21:39:

> Sure, if you want to see it through that lens I guess you could argue such.
> However, just to put things in perspective: 1) if a group has more active
> cores, maybe they should be more broadly represented in Berlin. Maybe these
> constructs shouldn't be necessary. 2) No matter how much some care about
> the ASBS, I doubt that this will be a driving force to get more bureaucracy
> (because that is the cost of setting up a UG). 3) funding for local
> activities is probably not really a consideration in the case of Russia,
> where foreign funding is (to put it mildly) 'complicated'.
>
> Lets assume for the sake of the discussion that the group has legitimate
> reasons to request affiliate status (although I have my assumptions, I'm
> curious what tipped the scale).
>
> Lodewijk
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 3:01 AM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> paulospern...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > This is a very interesting strategy for any well developed affiliate. It
> > allows :
> >
> > * decentralization, and stronger local groups, now as full fledged
> > affiliates
> > * more seats in Berlin and other conferences
> > * more votes in the ASBS election
> > * less financial burden over the national chapter, and additional funding
> > for local activities.
> >
> > Huge and well established chapters like WMDE could easily set up dozens
> of
> > local affiliates, with great advantage.
> >
> > Paulo
> >
> >
> >
> > A sexta, 4 de out de 2019, 08:04, Philip Kopetzky <
> > philip.kopet...@gmail.com>
> > escreveu:
> >
> > > I can only reiterate what Lodewijk said - I'm trying to find the
> approach
> > > and goals in the decision to acknowledge user groups that seem to be an
> > > integral part (or from an outside perspective, should be) of the
> national
> > > chapter. In the past this has been an indicator of personal conflicts
> > > within a chapter or user group and AffCom perpetuating these conflicts
> by
> > > setting up competing affiliates (the situation in Albania being a
> recent
> > > example of this).
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Philip
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 06:33, effe iets anders <
> effeietsand...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would like to note that one of the contacts of this user group is
> > > > Vladimir Medeyko, the director of Wikimedia Russia. I'm assuming
> > > > comfortably that this application happened in full coordination with
> > > > Wikimedia Russia.
> > > >
> > > > The question about process is still an interesting one though (what
> is
> > > > nowadays the approach of Affcom, and what are the considerations)
> when
> > a
> > > > user group application comes in from a geographic area with an active
> > > > affiliate at a 'higher level' (in this case, a country). You could
> > > continue
> > > > the comparison with what 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Community Tech: New Format for 2020 Wishlist Survey

2019-10-04 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Ilana, restricting wishlist to non-Wikipedia this year is a very sad news.

For many years, wishlist survey was the best way for the community to talk
back to the foundation, and to try to influence its direction. WMF mostly
ignored these wishes, yet it was still a place to express, discuss,
aggregate and vote on what community needed. Big thank-you is due to the
tiny community tech team that tackled the top 10 items, but that's just ~3%
of the foundation's employees.

WMF has been steadily separating itself from the community and loosing
credibility as a guiding force.  Take a look at the last election -- almost
every candidate has said "no" to the question if WMF is capable of
deciding/delivering on the direction [1].  In **every** single conversation
I had with the community members, people expressed doubts with the movement
strategy project, in some cases even treating it as a joke.

This is a huge problem, and restricting wishlist kills the last effective
feedback mechanism community had.  Now WMF is fully in control of itself,
with nearly no checks & balances from the people who created it.

I still believe that if WMF makes it a priority to align most of its
quarterly/yearly goals with the community wishlist (not just top 10
positions), we could return to the effective community-governance.
Otherwise WMF is risking to mirror Red Cross Haiti story [2] -- hundreds of
millions of $$ donated, and very few buildings actually built.

With great respect to all the people who made Wikis what they are today,
--[[User:Yurik]]

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2019/Questions#Do_you_believe_the_Wikimedia_Foundation_in_its_present_form_is_the_right_vehicle_for_the_delivery_of_the_strategic_direction?_If_so_why,_and_if_not,_what_might_replace_it?

[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Red_Cross#Disaster_preparedness_and_response

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 5:18 PM Ilana Fried  wrote:

> Hello, everyone!
>
> My name is Ilana, and I'm the product manager for the Community Tech team.
> We’re excited to share an update on the Community Tech 2020 Wishlist Survey
> . This
> will
> be our fifth annual Community Wishlist Survey, and for this year, we’ve
> decided to take a different approach. In the past, we've invited people to
> write proposals for any features or fixes that they'd like to see, and the
> Community Tech team has addressed the top ten wishes with the most support
> votes. This year, we're just going to focus on the *non-Wikipedia content
> projects* (i.e. Wikibooks, Wiktionary, Wikiquote, Commons, Wikisource,
> Wikiversity, Wikispecies, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, and Wikinews), and we're
> only going to address the top five wishes from this survey. This is a big
> departure from the typical process. In the following year (2021), we’ll
> probably return to the traditional structure.
>
> So, why this change? We’ve been following the same format for years — and,
> generally, it has lots of benefits. We build great tools, provide useful
> improvements, and have an impact on diverse communities. However, the
> nature of the format tends to prioritize the largest project (Wikipedia).
> This makes it harder to serve smaller projects, and many of their wishes
> never make it onto the wishlist. As a community-focused team, we want to
> support *all* projects. Thus, for 2020, we want to shine a light on
> non-Wikipedia projects.
>
> Furthermore, we’ll be accepting five wishes. Over the years, we’ve taken on
> larger wishes (like Global Preferences
>  or Who
> Wrote That
> ),
> which are awesome projects. At the same time, they tend to be lengthy
> endeavors, requiring extra time for research and development. When we
> looked at the 2019 wishlist, there were still many unresolved wishes.
> Meanwhile, we wanted to make room for the new 2020 wishes. For this reason,
> we’ve decided to take on a shortened list, so we can address as many wishes
> (new and remaining 2019 wishes
> )
> as possible.
>
> Overall, we look forward to this year’s survey. We worked with lots of
> folks (engineering, product management, and others) to think about how we
> could support underserved projects, all while preserving the dynamic and
> open nature of the wishlist. *Please let us know your thoughts
> *
> related
> to this change. In addition, we’ll begin thinking about the guidelines for
> this new process, so *we want your feedback
> * (on
> what sorts of processes/rules we may want to consider). Thank you, and
> we’re very curious to see the wishes in November!
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ilana Fried
>
> Product 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Community Tech: New Format for 2020 Wishlist Survey

2019-10-04 Thread Benjamin Ikuta


Thank you for writing this; I completely agree. 

I've long thought the WMF should put more resources into community wishes, not 
less. 

I do hope this will be reconsidered. 

Perhaps there could be more wishes granted to non-Wikimedia projects, while 
maintaining the same number of wishes for Wikipedia? 



> On Oct 4, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Yuri Astrakhan  wrote:
> 
> Ilana, restricting wishlist to non-Wikipedia this year is a very sad news.
> 
> For many years, wishlist survey was the best way for the community to talk
> back to the foundation, and to try to influence its direction. WMF mostly
> ignored these wishes, yet it was still a place to express, discuss,
> aggregate and vote on what community needed. Big thank-you is due to the
> tiny community tech team that tackled the top 10 items, but that's just ~3%
> of the foundation's employees.
> 
> WMF has been steadily separating itself from the community and loosing
> credibility as a guiding force.  Take a look at the last election -- almost
> every candidate has said "no" to the question if WMF is capable of
> deciding/delivering on the direction [1].  In **every** single conversation
> I had with the community members, people expressed doubts with the movement
> strategy project, in some cases even treating it as a joke.
> 
> This is a huge problem, and restricting wishlist kills the last effective
> feedback mechanism community had.  Now WMF is fully in control of itself,
> with nearly no checks & balances from the people who created it.
> 
> I still believe that if WMF makes it a priority to align most of its
> quarterly/yearly goals with the community wishlist (not just top 10
> positions), we could return to the effective community-governance.
> Otherwise WMF is risking to mirror Red Cross Haiti story [2] -- hundreds of
> millions of $$ donated, and very few buildings actually built.
> 
> With great respect to all the people who made Wikis what they are today,
> --[[User:Yurik]]
> 
> [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2019/Questions#Do_you_believe_the_Wikimedia_Foundation_in_its_present_form_is_the_right_vehicle_for_the_delivery_of_the_strategic_direction?_If_so_why,_and_if_not,_what_might_replace_it?
> 
> [2]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Red_Cross#Disaster_preparedness_and_response
> 
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 5:18 PM Ilana Fried  wrote:
> 
>> Hello, everyone!
>> 
>> My name is Ilana, and I'm the product manager for the Community Tech team.
>> We’re excited to share an update on the Community Tech 2020 Wishlist Survey
>> . This
>> will
>> be our fifth annual Community Wishlist Survey, and for this year, we’ve
>> decided to take a different approach. In the past, we've invited people to
>> write proposals for any features or fixes that they'd like to see, and the
>> Community Tech team has addressed the top ten wishes with the most support
>> votes. This year, we're just going to focus on the *non-Wikipedia content
>> projects* (i.e. Wikibooks, Wiktionary, Wikiquote, Commons, Wikisource,
>> Wikiversity, Wikispecies, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, and Wikinews), and we're
>> only going to address the top five wishes from this survey. This is a big
>> departure from the typical process. In the following year (2021), we’ll
>> probably return to the traditional structure.
>> 
>> So, why this change? We’ve been following the same format for years — and,
>> generally, it has lots of benefits. We build great tools, provide useful
>> improvements, and have an impact on diverse communities. However, the
>> nature of the format tends to prioritize the largest project (Wikipedia).
>> This makes it harder to serve smaller projects, and many of their wishes
>> never make it onto the wishlist. As a community-focused team, we want to
>> support *all* projects. Thus, for 2020, we want to shine a light on
>> non-Wikipedia projects.
>> 
>> Furthermore, we’ll be accepting five wishes. Over the years, we’ve taken on
>> larger wishes (like Global Preferences
>>  or Who
>> Wrote That
>> ),
>> which are awesome projects. At the same time, they tend to be lengthy
>> endeavors, requiring extra time for research and development. When we
>> looked at the 2019 wishlist, there were still many unresolved wishes.
>> Meanwhile, we wanted to make room for the new 2020 wishes. For this reason,
>> we’ve decided to take on a shortened list, so we can address as many wishes
>> (new and remaining 2019 wishes
>> )
>> as possible.
>> 
>> Overall, we look forward to this year’s survey. We worked with lots of
>> folks (engineering, product management, and others) to think about how we
>> could support underserved projects, all while preserving the dynamic and
>> open nature of the 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] NEW Instructional website for Arabic WP editors and writers!‏

2019-10-04 Thread Anna Torres
Love it!

Thank you so much for your work and inspiration!

Hugs!

El vie., 4 de oct. de 2019 a la(s) 11:04, Michal Lester (
mles...@wikimedia.org.il) escribió:

> Dear all,
>
> I am writing to share some good news! After two years of brainstorming and
> planning, our instructional website in Arabic is out! This is yet another
> step for Wikimedia Israel in developing instructional tools.
>
> We’re thrilled to introduce Wiki Warsha ويكي ورشة  >!
>
> Wikiwarsha.org  is a multimedia instructional
> website designed to introduce Wikipedia to Arabic readers, to invite new
> editors to write and edit content on Arabic Wikipedia, to assist teachers
> in school activities, and instructors in editing workshops.
>
> Warsha is the Arabic word for ‘workshop’, the website includes short
> instructional films, texts and images and is divided into 13 informative
> and instructional lessons:
>
>
>-
>
>Wikipedia homepage structure
>-
>
>About Wikipedia articles
>-
>
>Create account
>-
>
>Sign in to a registered account
>-
>
>Create a userpage
>-
>
>Create a new article
>-
>
>Edit an article
>-
>
>Formatting the article
>-
>
>Request edits approval on Arabic Wikipedia
>-
>
>Adding image
>-
>
>Adding internal and external links
>-
>
>Adding references
>-
>
>Adding categories
>
> In addition to those lessons, the website contains informative sections
> about copyright issues, FAQs, good article criteria, and talk pages, all in
> order to facilitate understanding how Wikipedia communities function.
>
> For further details and info:
>
> war...@wikimedia.org.il
>
> Michal Lester
>
> Bekriah Mawasi [[user: bks-WMIL]]
>
>
>
>
> Michal Lester
>
> Executive Director
>
> Wikimedia Israel
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] NEW Instructional website for Arabic WP editors and writers!‏

2019-10-04 Thread Samir Elsharbaty
I know how much work was put into that. Thank you, Michal and Bekriah! :)

Samir Elsharbaty (he/him)

Community Brand and Marketing coordinator

Wikimedia Foundation 



On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 3:04 PM Michal Lester 
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I am writing to share some good news! After two years of brainstorming and
> planning, our instructional website in Arabic is out! This is yet another
> step for Wikimedia Israel in developing instructional tools.
>
> We’re thrilled to introduce Wiki Warsha ويكي ورشة  >!
>
> Wikiwarsha.org  is a multimedia instructional
> website designed to introduce Wikipedia to Arabic readers, to invite new
> editors to write and edit content on Arabic Wikipedia, to assist teachers
> in school activities, and instructors in editing workshops.
>
> Warsha is the Arabic word for ‘workshop’, the website includes short
> instructional films, texts and images and is divided into 13 informative
> and instructional lessons:
>
>
>-
>
>Wikipedia homepage structure
>-
>
>About Wikipedia articles
>-
>
>Create account
>-
>
>Sign in to a registered account
>-
>
>Create a userpage
>-
>
>Create a new article
>-
>
>Edit an article
>-
>
>Formatting the article
>-
>
>Request edits approval on Arabic Wikipedia
>-
>
>Adding image
>-
>
>Adding internal and external links
>-
>
>Adding references
>-
>
>Adding categories
>
> In addition to those lessons, the website contains informative sections
> about copyright issues, FAQs, good article criteria, and talk pages, all in
> order to facilitate understanding how Wikipedia communities function.
>
> For further details and info:
>
> war...@wikimedia.org.il
>
> Michal Lester
>
> Bekriah Mawasi [[user: bks-WMIL]]
>
>
>
>
> Michal Lester
>
> Executive Director
>
> Wikimedia Israel
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[Wikimedia-l] NEW Instructional website for Arabic WP editors and writers!‏

2019-10-04 Thread Michal Lester
Dear all,

I am writing to share some good news! After two years of brainstorming and
planning, our instructional website in Arabic is out! This is yet another
step for Wikimedia Israel in developing instructional tools.

We’re thrilled to introduce Wiki Warsha ويكي ورشة !

Wikiwarsha.org  is a multimedia instructional
website designed to introduce Wikipedia to Arabic readers, to invite new
editors to write and edit content on Arabic Wikipedia, to assist teachers
in school activities, and instructors in editing workshops.

Warsha is the Arabic word for ‘workshop’, the website includes short
instructional films, texts and images and is divided into 13 informative
and instructional lessons:


   -

   Wikipedia homepage structure
   -

   About Wikipedia articles
   -

   Create account
   -

   Sign in to a registered account
   -

   Create a userpage
   -

   Create a new article
   -

   Edit an article
   -

   Formatting the article
   -

   Request edits approval on Arabic Wikipedia
   -

   Adding image
   -

   Adding internal and external links
   -

   Adding references
   -

   Adding categories

In addition to those lessons, the website contains informative sections
about copyright issues, FAQs, good article criteria, and talk pages, all in
order to facilitate understanding how Wikipedia communities function.

For further details and info:

war...@wikimedia.org.il

Michal Lester

Bekriah Mawasi [[user: bks-WMIL]]




Michal Lester

Executive Director

Wikimedia Israel
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] NEW Instructional website for Arabic WP editors and writers!‏

2019-10-04 Thread Sailesh Patnaik
Hi Michal,

This is an amazing initiative, thanks for sharing.

Best!
Sailesh
*Sailesh Patnaik *"*ଶୈଳେଶ ପଟ୍ଟନାୟକ**"*
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sailesh-patnaik-551a10b4
*Twitter*: @saileshpat



On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 7:34 PM Michal Lester 
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I am writing to share some good news! After two years of brainstorming and
> planning, our instructional website in Arabic is out! This is yet another
> step for Wikimedia Israel in developing instructional tools.
>
> We’re thrilled to introduce Wiki Warsha ويكي ورشة  >!
>
> Wikiwarsha.org  is a multimedia instructional
> website designed to introduce Wikipedia to Arabic readers, to invite new
> editors to write and edit content on Arabic Wikipedia, to assist teachers
> in school activities, and instructors in editing workshops.
>
> Warsha is the Arabic word for ‘workshop’, the website includes short
> instructional films, texts and images and is divided into 13 informative
> and instructional lessons:
>
>
>-
>
>Wikipedia homepage structure
>-
>
>About Wikipedia articles
>-
>
>Create account
>-
>
>Sign in to a registered account
>-
>
>Create a userpage
>-
>
>Create a new article
>-
>
>Edit an article
>-
>
>Formatting the article
>-
>
>Request edits approval on Arabic Wikipedia
>-
>
>Adding image
>-
>
>Adding internal and external links
>-
>
>Adding references
>-
>
>Adding categories
>
> In addition to those lessons, the website contains informative sections
> about copyright issues, FAQs, good article criteria, and talk pages, all in
> order to facilitate understanding how Wikipedia communities function.
>
> For further details and info:
>
> war...@wikimedia.org.il
>
> Michal Lester
>
> Bekriah Mawasi [[user: bks-WMIL]]
>
>
>
>
> Michal Lester
>
> Executive Director
>
> Wikimedia Israel
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

2019-10-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 23:02, Paulo Santos Perneta
 wrote:

> Andy Mabbett  escreveu no dia quinta, 3/10/2019


>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 20:45, Paulo Santos Perneta
>>  wrote:
>>
> > Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if apparently it's
> >basically a cell of Wikimedia Russia?
> >
> > It's a curious precedent.

> > The precedent was already set, in March 2017, by Wikimedia Community
> > User Group Wales (c/f Wikimedia UK).

> Wales is a whole country complete with it's own language, I don't believe
> it compares with a city UG.

Who made any comparison of Wales to a city?

The issue under discussion was a UG as "basically a cell of" a national chapter.

[Though if you do want such a comparison, St. P.'s population is near
double that of Wales]

-- 
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

2019-10-04 Thread effe iets anders
Sure, if you want to see it through that lens I guess you could argue such.
However, just to put things in perspective: 1) if a group has more active
cores, maybe they should be more broadly represented in Berlin. Maybe these
constructs shouldn't be necessary. 2) No matter how much some care about
the ASBS, I doubt that this will be a driving force to get more bureaucracy
(because that is the cost of setting up a UG). 3) funding for local
activities is probably not really a consideration in the case of Russia,
where foreign funding is (to put it mildly) 'complicated'.

Lets assume for the sake of the discussion that the group has legitimate
reasons to request affiliate status (although I have my assumptions, I'm
curious what tipped the scale).

Lodewijk


On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 3:01 AM Paulo Santos Perneta 
wrote:

> This is a very interesting strategy for any well developed affiliate. It
> allows :
>
> * decentralization, and stronger local groups, now as full fledged
> affiliates
> * more seats in Berlin and other conferences
> * more votes in the ASBS election
> * less financial burden over the national chapter, and additional funding
> for local activities.
>
> Huge and well established chapters like WMDE could easily set up dozens of
> local affiliates, with great advantage.
>
> Paulo
>
>
>
> A sexta, 4 de out de 2019, 08:04, Philip Kopetzky <
> philip.kopet...@gmail.com>
> escreveu:
>
> > I can only reiterate what Lodewijk said - I'm trying to find the approach
> > and goals in the decision to acknowledge user groups that seem to be an
> > integral part (or from an outside perspective, should be) of the national
> > chapter. In the past this has been an indicator of personal conflicts
> > within a chapter or user group and AffCom perpetuating these conflicts by
> > setting up competing affiliates (the situation in Albania being a recent
> > example of this).
> >
> > Best,
> > Philip
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 06:33, effe iets anders 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I would like to note that one of the contacts of this user group is
> > > Vladimir Medeyko, the director of Wikimedia Russia. I'm assuming
> > > comfortably that this application happened in full coordination with
> > > Wikimedia Russia.
> > >
> > > The question about process is still an interesting one though (what is
> > > nowadays the approach of Affcom, and what are the considerations) when
> a
> > > user group application comes in from a geographic area with an active
> > > affiliate at a 'higher level' (in this case, a country). You could
> > continue
> > > the comparison with what happens if an application would come in from
> > South
> > > of Nevsky (a neighborhood in St. Petersburg).
> > >
> > > Lodewijk
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 3:29 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> > > paulospern...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Wikimedia NYC is a very different situation, there is not a national
> > > > chapter in the US, so it's not a cell of anything.
> > > > Just to clarify: Saint Petersburg eventually could not be a cell, but
> > the
> > > > way it is presented (to promote Wikimedia RU activities in SP, with
> > same
> > > > Wikimedia RU people), it's basically a cell.
> > > >
> > > > Paulo
> > > >
> > > > Yuri Astrakhan  escreveu no dia quinta,
> > > 3/10/2019
> > > > à(s) 23:06:
> > > >
> > > > > What about Wikimedia NYC?  (I'm not sure of its organizational
> > status)
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 6:03 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> > > > > paulospern...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Wales is a whole country complete with it's own language, I don't
> > > > believe
> > > > > > it compares with a city UG.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Paulo
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andy Mabbett  escreveu no dia quinta,
> > > > > 3/10/2019
> > > > > > à(s) 22:53:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 20:45, Paulo Santos Perneta
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if apparently
> > it's
> > > > > > > basically
> > > > > > > > a cell of Wikimedia Russia?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It's a curious precedent.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The precedent was already set, in March 2017, by Wikimedia
> > > Community
> > > > > > > User Group Wales (c/f Wikimedia UK).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Andy Mabbett
> > > > > > > @pigsonthewing
> > > > > > > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
> > > > > > >
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