Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-11-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
Kiwix and off line Wikipedia did exist at the start of Wikipedia Zero.  It
is great that you brought some to Africa but you do not scale and it is not
a study into the effects of what the effects are of terminating Wikipedia
Zero.

No idea what "Starlink"  is but it is not a reality for a few more years..
It sounds like we have thrown all these kids under the bus but hey, we have
plan. A plan/action is having our own caches in Africa and providing edit
and read capabilities for all who care to use it... and then measure the
extend it helps us recover from our Wikipedia Zero public.
Thanks,
   GerardM

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 02:48, James Heilman  wrote:

> We have offline Wikipedia. I have shipped devices to Kinshasa, and
> they arrived :-)
>
> Of course they do not at all address the need for two way communication.
>
> I am hoping Starlink will help when it comes online in a few years.
>
> James
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 12:19 AM Gerard Meijssen
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hoi,
> > The BBC shows how dramatically expensive internet is in Africa.. For in
> my
> > opinion local political reasons Wikipedia Zero has terminated. That is ok
> > up to a point; the point being that we understand the consequences from
> > this action.
> >
> > Given that our data is NOT local, people have to pay a premium. What are
> we
> > going to do to compensate for expensive Wikipedia that replaced Wikipedia
> > Zero? Did we study the effects or are we not interested in the
> consequences
> > of our actions?
> > Thanks,
> >GerardM
> >
> > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-50516888
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-11-25 Thread James Heilman
We have offline Wikipedia. I have shipped devices to Kinshasa, and
they arrived :-)

Of course they do not at all address the need for two way communication.

I am hoping Starlink will help when it comes online in a few years.

James

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 12:19 AM Gerard Meijssen
 wrote:
>
> Hoi,
> The BBC shows how dramatically expensive internet is in Africa.. For in my
> opinion local political reasons Wikipedia Zero has terminated. That is ok
> up to a point; the point being that we understand the consequences from
> this action.
>
> Given that our data is NOT local, people have to pay a premium. What are we
> going to do to compensate for expensive Wikipedia that replaced Wikipedia
> Zero? Did we study the effects or are we not interested in the consequences
> of our actions?
> Thanks,
>GerardM
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-50516888
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

2019-11-25 Thread Amir Sarabadani
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 23:16 Henry Wood  wrote:

> >I don't know sending such emails of limited number of good
> > news cherry-picked by mostly one person all the time to hundreds of
> > wikimedians across the globe with very wide range of interests would be a
> > good idea.
>
> Leading inevitably to the question -- what postings to this list would
> be good ideas?
>

Well, I get lots of unrelated emails from wikimedia-l and don't mind them
while I don't like receiving uninteresting emails on regular basis from the
same person again and again. Even worse, emails that pretend to be
interesting to me (I would feel happier if I hear a good news, as a human
being) but they end up being completely uninteresting (because I just have
different interests).

Hope that answers your question.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

2019-11-25 Thread Henry Wood
>I don't know sending such emails of limited number of good
> news cherry-picked by mostly one person all the time to hundreds of
> wikimedians across the globe with very wide range of interests would be a
> good idea.

Leading inevitably to the question -- what postings to this list would
be good ideas?

Henry

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[Wikimedia-l] Q2 Fundraising Update

2019-11-25 Thread Joseph Seddon
Hey All

Just wanted to give you a quick update. With upcoming fundraising in
Australia, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand, the USA, and the United Kingdom;
along with a completed fundraising campaign in France; Q2 sees us raise
approximately half of the annual funds for the Wikimedia movement and as
usual the team has been very busy.

Starting back in October, our E-mail fundraising programme has been running
in these countries. This programme focuses on asking previous donors to
reaffirm their support to Wikimedia and our English campaign will continue
steadily through the rest of this calendar year.

October and November also sees us test and prepare for our main English
fundraising banner campaign. We do this to explore new ideas, test systems,
improve workflows etc all in time for the busiest period of the year. This
year we will be looking to begin the main campaign on or around Monday,
December 2 and will look to fundraise through the month of December.

There are a number of ways you can help support the fundraiser:

---Message Ideas---

I’ll be following up with some asks later this week for ideas around themes
and ideas the fundraising team should explore in it’s messaging. In the
meantime, if you have specific ideas or stories we should tell via social
media, banners, emails etc. Please add them to our fundraising ideas page. (
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2019-20_Fundraising_ideas)


---Reporting Issues---

If you see any technical issues with the banners or payments systems please
do report it on phabricator:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?template=118862

If you see a donor on a talk page, OTRS, or social media with questions
about donating or having difficulties in the donation process, please refer
them to:   donate {{at}} wikimedia.org.

Here is also the ever present fundraising IRC channel to raise urgent
technical issues: #wikimedia-fundraising (
http://webchat.freenode.net?channels=%23wikimedia-fundraising=d4
)



Many thanks

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

2019-11-25 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Seconding Cornelius here, I almost reached to the point a making a
dedicated filter to archive these emails because that they contain long
emails that are full of great things but doesn't interest me or make me
happy (there are ways to make me happy, for example technical improvements
or LGBT+-related stuff which I barely see in these emails thus these emails
sometimes make me slightly sad that these emails don't contain things I
like, making me feel outcast or too nerd)

I assume everyone has different interests that make them happy which might
be under or overrepresented due to the sender's unconcious bias and
perspective. I don't know sending such emails of limited number of good
news cherry-picked by mostly one person all the time to hundreds of
wikimedians across the globe with very wide range of interests would be a
good idea.

My 2c

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 14:39 Cornelius Kibelka <
cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> to be honest, the question doesn't appeal to me. Around Wikimedia, I'm
> interested in things that *interest me* and help me in my work, but
> *happiness* doesn't work for me as a term, it's a too American for me ;)
>
> Cheers
> Cornelius
>
> On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 09:36, Pine W  wrote:
>
> > Hello colleagues,
> >
> > I would like to ask for your advice about one issue with the "What's
> making
> > you happy this week?" emails.
> >
> > I was hoping that people would frequently comment in the email threads
> > and/or on the talk pages of WMYHTW publications in *The Signpost* to
> share
> > what is making them happy, in the Wikiverse or elsewhere. However,
> comments
> > are somewhat rare.
> >
> > I am concerned that some people may feel too intimidated to comment.
> >
> > I understand that communicating in public requires courage, but I believe
> > that people who try to be respectful will have their comments received
> well
> > by the community if they comment in these threads. Perfection is not a
> > requirement for WMYHTW.
> >
> > Also, I think that public communication becomes easier with practice, and
> > these threads would be good places for people who want to become more
> > experienced with public communication on Wikimedia-l to practice.
> >
> > Is there something else that you think could be done to facilitate
> > participation in WMYHTW? I would appreciate your advice and input.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Pine
> > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

2019-11-25 Thread Cornelius Kibelka
Hi,

to be honest, the question doesn't appeal to me. Around Wikimedia, I'm
interested in things that *interest me* and help me in my work, but
*happiness* doesn't work for me as a term, it's a too American for me ;)

Cheers
Cornelius

On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 09:36, Pine W  wrote:

> Hello colleagues,
>
> I would like to ask for your advice about one issue with the "What's making
> you happy this week?" emails.
>
> I was hoping that people would frequently comment in the email threads
> and/or on the talk pages of WMYHTW publications in *The Signpost* to share
> what is making them happy, in the Wikiverse or elsewhere. However, comments
> are somewhat rare.
>
> I am concerned that some people may feel too intimidated to comment.
>
> I understand that communicating in public requires courage, but I believe
> that people who try to be respectful will have their comments received well
> by the community if they comment in these threads. Perfection is not a
> requirement for WMYHTW.
>
> Also, I think that public communication becomes easier with practice, and
> these threads would be good places for people who want to become more
> experienced with public communication on Wikimedia-l to practice.
>
> Is there something else that you think could be done to facilitate
> participation in WMYHTW? I would appreciate your advice and input.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

2019-11-25 Thread Peter Southwood
Hi Pine, 
I look at it like I look at the Signpost. I find much of it interesting, and 
usually read it through from end to end. I click on links when they look 
interesting and I have the time. I am happy to see it exists, but in most cases 
I do not feel the need to add any comments, because it is cool in itself and 
usually does not appear to need comment. It is nice to know I can comment, but 
I generally don’t comment just for the sake of making a noise, but to make some 
point or find something out that was not clear. Things that make people happy 
are often uncontroversial and need no clarification, and there is already 
enough congratulatory noise on this list regarding user groups and new 
appointments etc
Cheers,
Peter

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From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of 
Pine W
Sent: 25 November 2019 10:08
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy 
this week?"

Hello colleagues,

I would like to ask for your advice about one issue with the "What's making
you happy this week?" emails.

I was hoping that people would frequently comment in the email threads
and/or on the talk pages of WMYHTW publications in *The Signpost* to share
what is making them happy, in the Wikiverse or elsewhere. However, comments
are somewhat rare.

I am concerned that some people may feel too intimidated to comment.

I understand that communicating in public requires courage, but I believe
that people who try to be respectful will have their comments received well
by the community if they comment in these threads. Perfection is not a
requirement for WMYHTW.

Also, I think that public communication becomes easier with practice, and
these threads would be good places for people who want to become more
experienced with public communication on Wikimedia-l to practice.

Is there something else that you think could be done to facilitate
participation in WMYHTW? I would appreciate your advice and input.

Thank you,

Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

2019-11-25 Thread Ariel Glenn WMF
I was thinking earlier about replying to this email. Since other folks have
chimed in along similar lines, here's my version of 'make it shorter'.

I don't really need or want a full review of all the good stuff in the past
week, or even all the good stuff that you in particular noticed. Rather,
just one cool item would be great, along with why it made you smile or
chortle or go 'Wow!'. That gives folks something short to look at and
hopefully also smile about, and it leaves room in the conversation for
others to contribute similar short pieces.

Example: for the Tech Conference, you could have said something like,
"While you can find all the summaries of activities and discussions here
[link], I really liked X [link'.  Or even 'it was hard to choose just one
thing because there was so much awesome discussion at the conference, but
this really caught my eye [link].'  And then an explanation of why that
thing was interesting, cool, fun, really grabbed you.

Hope this helps!

Ariel

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 10:36 AM Pine W  wrote:

> Hello colleagues,
>
> I would like to ask for your advice about one issue with the "What's making
> you happy this week?" emails.
>
> I was hoping that people would frequently comment in the email threads
> and/or on the talk pages of WMYHTW publications in *The Signpost* to share
> what is making them happy, in the Wikiverse or elsewhere. However, comments
> are somewhat rare.
>
> I am concerned that some people may feel too intimidated to comment.
>
> I understand that communicating in public requires courage, but I believe
> that people who try to be respectful will have their comments received well
> by the community if they comment in these threads. Perfection is not a
> requirement for WMYHTW.
>
> Also, I think that public communication becomes easier with practice, and
> these threads would be good places for people who want to become more
> experienced with public communication on Wikimedia-l to practice.
>
> Is there something else that you think could be done to facilitate
> participation in WMYHTW? I would appreciate your advice and input.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

2019-11-25 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
I posted once a reply which was reasonably concise and had just one point -
and it generated very little response. My conclusion was that people here
are mainly not interested in what is going on on the projects contentwise.
I will not do it again.

Yaroslav

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 11:16 AM Amir E. Aharoni <
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

> I have similar thoughts.
>
> I find the "What makes you happy" emails generally nice and useful and
> occasionally I reply. But the opening emails are often too long, and have
> too many sections and links, which make it hard to read.
>
> The title "What makes you happy" implies something that is unique for every
> week, so it should have fewer repetitive sections.
>
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> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬
>
>
> ‫בתאריך יום ב׳, 25 בנוב׳ 2019 ב-10:33 מאת ‪Diane Ranville‬‏ <‪
> dranville-...@wikimedia.org‬‏>:‬
>
> > Hi Pine,
> >
> > Personally, the reason I don't answer to WMYHTW? is that - to be honest
> - I
> > actually find it too long and visually unappealing (too many links, looks
> > very technical) so I read the first few lines, then I skip and go to the
> > next email. I really like the idea though, and when I have time, I click
> a
> > few links, but indeed it doesn't prompts me to answer because, well... it
> > looks more like a newsletter than an actual call for conversation.
> >
> > Maybe this would have more success with a shorter format, maybe including
> > images directly inside text. You could also try cross-posting it to
> > Wikimedia Space, where engagement is less intimidating because it looks
> > more like social media (you can "like", comment, etc). It makes me think
> > about this post
> > <
> >
> https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/what-was-your-first-commons-contribution/2021
> > >,
> > which triggered quite a few answers.
> >
> > Hope this helps!
> > Best,
> > Diane
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:36 AM Pine W  wrote:
> >
> > > Hello colleagues,
> > >
> > > I would like to ask for your advice about one issue with the "What's
> > making
> > > you happy this week?" emails.
> > >
> > > I was hoping that people would frequently comment in the email threads
> > > and/or on the talk pages of WMYHTW publications in *The Signpost* to
> > share
> > > what is making them happy, in the Wikiverse or elsewhere. However,
> > comments
> > > are somewhat rare.
> > >
> > > I am concerned that some people may feel too intimidated to comment.
> > >
> > > I understand that communicating in public requires courage, but I
> believe
> > > that people who try to be respectful will have their comments received
> > well
> > > by the community if they comment in these threads. Perfection is not a
> > > requirement for WMYHTW.
> > >
> > > Also, I think that public communication becomes easier with practice,
> and
> > > these threads would be good places for people who want to become more
> > > experienced with public communication on Wikimedia-l to practice.
> > >
> > > Is there something else that you think could be done to facilitate
> > > participation in WMYHTW? I would appreciate your advice and input.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > Pine
> > > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

2019-11-25 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
I have similar thoughts.

I find the "What makes you happy" emails generally nice and useful and
occasionally I reply. But the opening emails are often too long, and have
too many sections and links, which make it hard to read.

The title "What makes you happy" implies something that is unique for every
week, so it should have fewer repetitive sections.

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Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
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I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬


‫בתאריך יום ב׳, 25 בנוב׳ 2019 ב-10:33 מאת ‪Diane Ranville‬‏ <‪
dranville-...@wikimedia.org‬‏>:‬

> Hi Pine,
>
> Personally, the reason I don't answer to WMYHTW? is that - to be honest - I
> actually find it too long and visually unappealing (too many links, looks
> very technical) so I read the first few lines, then I skip and go to the
> next email. I really like the idea though, and when I have time, I click a
> few links, but indeed it doesn't prompts me to answer because, well... it
> looks more like a newsletter than an actual call for conversation.
>
> Maybe this would have more success with a shorter format, maybe including
> images directly inside text. You could also try cross-posting it to
> Wikimedia Space, where engagement is less intimidating because it looks
> more like social media (you can "like", comment, etc). It makes me think
> about this post
> <
> https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/what-was-your-first-commons-contribution/2021
> >,
> which triggered quite a few answers.
>
> Hope this helps!
> Best,
> Diane
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:36 AM Pine W  wrote:
>
> > Hello colleagues,
> >
> > I would like to ask for your advice about one issue with the "What's
> making
> > you happy this week?" emails.
> >
> > I was hoping that people would frequently comment in the email threads
> > and/or on the talk pages of WMYHTW publications in *The Signpost* to
> share
> > what is making them happy, in the Wikiverse or elsewhere. However,
> comments
> > are somewhat rare.
> >
> > I am concerned that some people may feel too intimidated to comment.
> >
> > I understand that communicating in public requires courage, but I believe
> > that people who try to be respectful will have their comments received
> well
> > by the community if they comment in these threads. Perfection is not a
> > requirement for WMYHTW.
> >
> > Also, I think that public communication becomes easier with practice, and
> > these threads would be good places for people who want to become more
> > experienced with public communication on Wikimedia-l to practice.
> >
> > Is there something else that you think could be done to facilitate
> > participation in WMYHTW? I would appreciate your advice and input.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Pine
> > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

2019-11-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi Pine,

What makes me happy is that scientists are now adding information for their
young academy. There are many young scientists organised nationally and
internationally and typically they are a member for a set number of years.
What makes me really happy is that these orgs are now getting involved; the
coverage improves, they are increasincly registered at ORCiD with
open/public information.

When scientists take a shine to their Scholia, including their co-authors,
papers, doctoral advisor we gain a better understanding about contemporary
science. These young academies cover any subject and it prevents a bias in
our coverage of science. [1]
Thanks,
  GerardM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GlobalYoungAcademyTeam


On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 09:36, Pine W  wrote:

> Hello colleagues,
>
> I would like to ask for your advice about one issue with the "What's making
> you happy this week?" emails.
>
> I was hoping that people would frequently comment in the email threads
> and/or on the talk pages of WMYHTW publications in *The Signpost* to share
> what is making them happy, in the Wikiverse or elsewhere. However, comments
> are somewhat rare.
>
> I am concerned that some people may feel too intimidated to comment.
>
> I understand that communicating in public requires courage, but I believe
> that people who try to be respectful will have their comments received well
> by the community if they comment in these threads. Perfection is not a
> requirement for WMYHTW.
>
> Also, I think that public communication becomes easier with practice, and
> these threads would be good places for people who want to become more
> experienced with public communication on Wikimedia-l to practice.
>
> Is there something else that you think could be done to facilitate
> participation in WMYHTW? I would appreciate your advice and input.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

2019-11-25 Thread Diane Ranville
Hi Pine,

Personally, the reason I don't answer to WMYHTW? is that - to be honest - I
actually find it too long and visually unappealing (too many links, looks
very technical) so I read the first few lines, then I skip and go to the
next email. I really like the idea though, and when I have time, I click a
few links, but indeed it doesn't prompts me to answer because, well... it
looks more like a newsletter than an actual call for conversation.

Maybe this would have more success with a shorter format, maybe including
images directly inside text. You could also try cross-posting it to
Wikimedia Space, where engagement is less intimidating because it looks
more like social media (you can "like", comment, etc). It makes me think
about this post
,
which triggered quite a few answers.

Hope this helps!
Best,
Diane


On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:36 AM Pine W  wrote:

> Hello colleagues,
>
> I would like to ask for your advice about one issue with the "What's making
> you happy this week?" emails.
>
> I was hoping that people would frequently comment in the email threads
> and/or on the talk pages of WMYHTW publications in *The Signpost* to share
> what is making them happy, in the Wikiverse or elsewhere. However, comments
> are somewhat rare.
>
> I am concerned that some people may feel too intimidated to comment.
>
> I understand that communicating in public requires courage, but I believe
> that people who try to be respectful will have their comments received well
> by the community if they comment in these threads. Perfection is not a
> requirement for WMYHTW.
>
> Also, I think that public communication becomes easier with practice, and
> these threads would be good places for people who want to become more
> experienced with public communication on Wikimedia-l to practice.
>
> Is there something else that you think could be done to facilitate
> participation in WMYHTW? I would appreciate your advice and input.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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[Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

2019-11-25 Thread Pine W
Hello colleagues,

I would like to ask for your advice about one issue with the "What's making
you happy this week?" emails.

I was hoping that people would frequently comment in the email threads
and/or on the talk pages of WMYHTW publications in *The Signpost* to share
what is making them happy, in the Wikiverse or elsewhere. However, comments
are somewhat rare.

I am concerned that some people may feel too intimidated to comment.

I understand that communicating in public requires courage, but I believe
that people who try to be respectful will have their comments received well
by the community if they comment in these threads. Perfection is not a
requirement for WMYHTW.

Also, I think that public communication becomes easier with practice, and
these threads would be good places for people who want to become more
experienced with public communication on Wikimedia-l to practice.

Is there something else that you think could be done to facilitate
participation in WMYHTW? I would appreciate your advice and input.

Thank you,

Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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