Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-11-30 Thread effe iets anders
Hi Gerard,

It would be great if you could keep a slightly more constructive tone in
your messages. On one hand, you seem genuinely interested to help access to
free knowledge in Africa, but in your second email, you seem to jump (after
one response) to conclusions already. If you like to get real responses to
your emails, you may want to try a more constructive attitude. For me, it
is at least sufficiently offputting to disengage (I removed the rest of my
response/suggestions).

-- Lodewijk

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:34 PM Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> Kiwix and off line Wikipedia did exist at the start of Wikipedia Zero.  It
> is great that you brought some to Africa but you do not scale and it is not
> a study into the effects of what the effects are of terminating Wikipedia
> Zero.


> No idea what "Starlink"  is


https://lmgtfy.com/?q=starlink=l


> but it is not a reality for a few more years..
> It sounds like we have thrown all these kids under the bus but hey, we have
> plan. A plan/action is having our own caches in Africa and providing edit
> and read capabilities for all who care to use it... and then measure the
> extend it helps us recover from our Wikipedia Zero public.
> Thanks,
>GerardM
>
> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 02:48, James Heilman  wrote:
>
> > We have offline Wikipedia. I have shipped devices to Kinshasa, and
> > they arrived :-)
> >
> > Of course they do not at all address the need for two way communication.
> >
> > I am hoping Starlink will help when it comes online in a few years.
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 12:19 AM Gerard Meijssen
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hoi,
> > > The BBC shows how dramatically expensive internet is in Africa.. For in
> > my
> > > opinion local political reasons Wikipedia Zero has terminated. That is
> ok
> > > up to a point; the point being that we understand the consequences from
> > > this action.
> > >
> > > Given that our data is NOT local, people have to pay a premium. What
> are
> > we
> > > going to do to compensate for expensive Wikipedia that replaced
> Wikipedia
> > > Zero? Did we study the effects or are we not interested in the
> > consequences
> > > of our actions?
> > > Thanks,
> > >GerardM
> > >
> > > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-50516888
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> >
> >
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> > MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

2019-11-30 Thread Pine W
Hi Diane,

Thanks for the comments. I started to write a longer reply before deciding
that, given the general message that I'm hearing of (paraphrasing), "this
is fine but a shorter form would be better if you want people to
participate", I'll skip writing a longer explanation of how I'm thinking.
Thanks for taking the time to write.

Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )


On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 9:44 AM Diane Ranville 
wrote:

> " having a shorter list of subjects could lead to criticism about the
> content being [...] too reflective of one person's preferences"
> => well, as Amir said, the content is *already* reflective of just one
> person's preferences.
> Also, as Cornelius said, the idea of "what makes you happy" implies a very
> subjective feeling.
>
> So it will always be just *your* view of what makes you happy, your bias.
> But: making your email shorter (even going down to just 1 item per week)
> would make room for others to share *their *views, creating a balance.
> I hope you try the short version on this list (as I barely have time to go
> through the Signpost!).
>
> Best,
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 12:53 AM Pine W  wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Thanks to everyone for the feedback.
> >
> > One point of some agreement among commenters is that they would prefer
> > WMYHTW emails to be shorter. Those would be faster for me to write, but
> > some problems with having a shorter list of subjects each week are that
> it
> > could more easily lead to criticism about the content being
> > unrepresentative of Wikiverse activities and too reflective of one
> person's
> > preferences.
> >
> > I had hoped that having a variety of people participate in these threads
> > would add diversity to the content, but participation from others has
> been
> > rare.
> >
> > I will need more time to process this feedback and think about what to
> do.
> > I don't think that any one option will satisfy everyone. One possibility
> is
> > that I will stop sending these emails to Wikimedia-l, but will continue
> to
> > write the version that appears in *The Signpost*. Another possibility is
> > that I could write the shorter version for a few weeks and see what
> people
> > think about it, but I worry about this option creating new problems, so
> at
> > the moment I a leaning toward the previous option.
> >
> > If anyone has additional feedback to share then please let me know.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

2019-11-30 Thread Diane Ranville
" having a shorter list of subjects could lead to criticism about the
content being [...] too reflective of one person's preferences"
=> well, as Amir said, the content is *already* reflective of just one
person's preferences.
Also, as Cornelius said, the idea of "what makes you happy" implies a very
subjective feeling.

So it will always be just *your* view of what makes you happy, your bias.
But: making your email shorter (even going down to just 1 item per week)
would make room for others to share *their *views, creating a balance.
I hope you try the short version on this list (as I barely have time to go
through the Signpost!).

Best,

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 12:53 AM Pine W  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Thanks to everyone for the feedback.
>
> One point of some agreement among commenters is that they would prefer
> WMYHTW emails to be shorter. Those would be faster for me to write, but
> some problems with having a shorter list of subjects each week are that it
> could more easily lead to criticism about the content being
> unrepresentative of Wikiverse activities and too reflective of one person's
> preferences.
>
> I had hoped that having a variety of people participate in these threads
> would add diversity to the content, but participation from others has been
> rare.
>
> I will need more time to process this feedback and think about what to do.
> I don't think that any one option will satisfy everyone. One possibility is
> that I will stop sending these emails to Wikimedia-l, but will continue to
> write the version that appears in *The Signpost*. Another possibility is
> that I could write the shorter version for a few weeks and see what people
> think about it, but I worry about this option creating new problems, so at
> the moment I a leaning toward the previous option.
>
> If anyone has additional feedback to share then please let me know.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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