Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid API?

2020-06-14 Thread Ariel Glenn WMF
I know that the dumps will be freely available to all.

Beyond that, I hope one of the people in the project will reply to your
concerns.

I do suggest that people comment or ask questions on the task itself, as I
have no idea if any of the people on the brand new team involved with that
project see these emails.

Ariel

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 9:33 PM Amir Sarabadani  wrote:

> Hello,
> Today I stumbled upon this public phabricator ticket [1] created by someone
> from WMF starting with:
> "My team is creating bi-weekly HTML Dumps for all of the wikis, except for
> wikidata as part of the paid API project."
>
> I have so many questions:
>  - What is the "paid API" project? Are we planning to make money out of our
> API? Now are we selling our dumps?
>  - If so, why is this not communicated before? Why are we kept in the dark?
>  - Does the board know and approve it?
>  - How is this going to align with our core values like openness and
> transparency?
>  - The ticket implicitly says these are going to be stored on AWS ("S3
> bucket"). Is this thought through? Specially the ethical problems of
> feeding Jeff Bezos' empire? (If you have seen this episode of Hasan
> Minhaj's on ethical issues of using AWS [2]). Why can't we do/host this on
> Wikimedia infrastructure? Has this been evaluated?
>  - Why is the community not consulted about this?
>
> Maybe I missed announcements, consultations or anything, forgive me for my
> ignorance. Any pointers is enough. I also understand diversifying our
> revenue is a good tool for rainy days but a consultation with the community
> wouldn't be too bad.
>
> [1]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T254275
> [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5maXvZ5fyQY
>
> Best
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid API?

2020-06-14 Thread Joseph Seddon
Hey Amir!

Thanks for your questions. It’s sunday (for me 0400 on a Monday) and a
mailing list isn’t the right venue for a full detailed explanation for this
but I’ll give a little background.

James is correct that the work in this area is coming out of the strategy
process and the recommendations it produced [1] [2] and is part of broad
improvements we are aiming to make to Wikimedia APIs. [3] We are aiming to
improve the experience for both free knowledge and community users, along
with large scale users.

Many of the people working on this are brand new (just a few weeks in) and
just getting their feet under the table. Right now they are just
experimenting on concepts relating to the data “, as part of their
onboarding and their early research work to understand the problems and
challenges. Everything is “early days” as they say. There is a lot to learn
and work on, and right now none of it is set in stone. Even the name is
mainly a placeholder (Bulk API might be a more accurate description).

The feedback and concerns that were provided during the strategy process
will be required reading and will help guide us initially. We will
definitely need to seek the expertise and insight of our communities both
editing and technical to ensure it is not just successful but in keeping
with our movement's ideals. The community can expect to see requests for
input and feedback in the coming months.

Given we are very early in this process there will definitely be further
documentation on the work planned and some initial details will be
available ASAP. My genuine apologies that this didn’t happen already.

Many thanks

Seddon

[1] From
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Improve_User_Experience
:

** Make the Wikimedia API suite more comprehensive, reliable, secure and
fast, in partnership with large scale users where that aligns with our
mission and principles, to improve the user experience of both our direct
and indirect users, increase the reach and discoverability of our content
and the potential for data returns, and improve awareness of and ease of
attribution and verifiability for content reusers.

[2] From
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Increase_the_Sustainability_of_Our_Movement#Financial_sustainability
:

* Building enterprise-level APIs (with high standards of availability,
throughput, and usability).

** Engage partners in the development wherever appropriate, incorporating
the needs of a spectrum of small, non-commercial, and larger commercial
reusers.

** Explore fees or sustainability models for enterprise-scale commercial
reusers, taking care to avoid revenue dependencies or other undue external
influence in product design and development.

** Develop appropriate safeguards to ensure continued free, unrestricted
access for non-commercial, research, and small to moderate commercial use.

[3] For example
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Core_Platform_Team/Initiatives/API_Gateway

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 10:23 PM Amir Sarabadani 
wrote:

> Thanks for the pointers, I personally disagree with some parts of it (e.g.
> Twitter is a company and we are an NGO) BUT since it passed the community
> consultation (and I somehow missed it to raise my feedback), I don't want
> to be vocal about the high level reasoning behind the project.
>
> What I would extremely appreciate is more transparent communication to the
> community about such large changes (especially sooner). Something like a
> two-line text on a phabricator has lots of potential for misunderstanding.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 9:44 PM James Heilman  wrote:
>
> > Further details are forthcoming from WMF staff.
> >
> > J
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 1:42 PM James Heilman  wrote:
> >
> > > Was discussed here
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Iteration_1/Revenue_Streams/1
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Iteration_1/Revenue_Streams/1
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 1:37 PM Yair Rand  wrote:
> > >
> > >> The strategy recommendations include the text: "Explore fees or
> > >> sustainability models for enterprise-scale commercial reusers, taking
> > care
> > >> to avoid revenue dependencies or other undue external influence in
> > product
> > >> design and development. / Develop appropriate safeguards to ensure
> > >> continued free, unrestricted access for non-commercial, research, and
> > >> small
> > >> to moderate commercial use." Earlier versions elaborate somewhat, and
> > >> there
> > >> were considerable reservations expressed about the idea during the
> > >> process.
> > >>
> > >> It is quite concerning.
> > >>
> > >> -- Yair Rand
> > >>
> > >> ‫בתאריך יום א׳, 14 ביוני 2020 ב-14:33 מאת ‪Amir Sarabadani‬‏ <‪
> > >> ladsgr...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬

Re: [Wikimedia-l] NEW: Wikimedia Clinic calls, starting June 15th

2020-06-14 Thread Asaf Bartov
Reminder: the Wikimedia Clinic calls experiment is about to begin. The
first calls are scheduled for:

   - Monday, June 15th, 17:30 (5:30pm) UTC, and this is the Google Meet link
   . Link to a WorldTimeBuddy event
   for timezone convenience
   

   .
   - Wednesday, June 17th, 08:00am UTC, and this is the Google Meet link
   . Link to a WorldTimeBuddy event
   for timezone convenience
   

   .

Remember, there's no set agenda and no particular preparation needed.  Feel
free to join us with anything *Wikimedia-related* you'd like to ask, or get
feedback on, or just to hang out.
   A.

Asaf Bartov (he/him/his)

Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities

Wikimedia Foundation 

Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!
https://donate.wikimedia.org


On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 12:28 AM Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> Dear Wikimedians,
>
> In these complex times of pandemic, and the coming complex times of
> post-pandemic, live human contact with fellow Wikimedians, even mediated
> through a video call, can be helpful, relaxing, and fun.  It can also offer
> opportunities to ask questions you have been meaning to ask but never got
> around to, or to explain complex situations that may be hard to articulate
> in writing.
>
> To better support members of the community during this time, the Community
> Development team at the Wikimedia Foundation is interested in trying an
> experiment: scheduling open video calls (using Google Meet) where any
> active Wikimedian would be welcome to attend and ask questions or ask for
> advice about whatever Wikimedia-related goal or problem they're working on.
>
> You can also just share what you're working on and invite feedback, even
> if you don't have a specific question. Or people can just connect to hang
> out, or to offer their own experience to the people asking questions.
>
> We are thinking of calling these calls Wikimedia Clinics, and would host
> them once a week (in alternating time zones, to accommodate as many people
> as possible).
>
> Each clinic session:
>
> * would be 70-120 minutes in length depending on topics presented and
> volume of conversation
> * would have at least two Wikimedia Foundation staff members guaranteed to
> be present. They are not guaranteed to have the answers you need, but they
> are committed to helping you get them, even if not during the call itself,
> but as later follow-up.
> * would be summarized in an in-depth *digest* of the call that would be
> edited for clarity and available to all volunteers interested. These notes
> would link to any tools and resources mentioned on the call and will be
> shared on this mailing list and archived on Meta[0].
>
> These calls are *not* replacing any existing channels or
> regularly-scheduled calls!  Every channel or call you are already using
> continues to exist.  No important announcements will be made on these
> calls, and no one should feel stressed or obligated to attend them.
>
> Rather, they are a new form of live-communication open support calls, less
> narrow in focus than some of the existing channels (where only specific
> topics are expected), and, we hope, more approachable and welcoming for
> people not sure whether their question or dilemma is appropriate for one of
> the other channels.
>
> If these calls are found useful, we'll try to offer them in some other
> languages, to increase access to those not comfortable speaking English.
>
> So, let's give this a try!  The first two calls are scheduled for:
>
> Monday, June 15th, 17:30 (5:30pm) UTC, and this is the Google Meet link[1].
> Link to a WorldTimeBuddy event for timezone convenience[2].
>
> and
>
> Wednesday, June 17th, 08:00am UTC, and this is the Google Meet link[3].
> Link to a WorldTimeBuddy event for timezone convenience[4].
>
> Remember, there's no set agenda and no particular preparation needed.
> Feel free to join us with anything Wikimedia-related that's on your mind,
> or just to hang out.
>
> Feedback and questions welcome.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Asaf
>
> [0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Clinics
> [1] https://meet.google.com/kha-nghc-mky
> [2]
> https://www.worldtimebuddy.com/event?lid=100=100=26536320=17.5-19.5=show=f924130e-ed00-e1b4-b549-2202e11d660f
> [3] https://meet.google.com/iex-jebd-due
> [4]
> https://www.worldtimebuddy.com/event?lid=100=100=26539200=8-10=show=500d54dd-96c7-1934-0910-afe98a3440a5
>
>
> Asaf Bartov (he/him/his)
>
> Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities
>
> Wikimedia Foundation 
>
> Imagine a world in which every single 

[Wikimedia-l] Paid API?

2020-06-14 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Hello,
Today I stumbled upon this public phabricator ticket [1] created by someone
from WMF starting with:
"My team is creating bi-weekly HTML Dumps for all of the wikis, except for
wikidata as part of the paid API project."

I have so many questions:
 - What is the "paid API" project? Are we planning to make money out of our
API? Now are we selling our dumps?
 - If so, why is this not communicated before? Why are we kept in the dark?
 - Does the board know and approve it?
 - How is this going to align with our core values like openness and
transparency?
 - The ticket implicitly says these are going to be stored on AWS ("S3
bucket"). Is this thought through? Specially the ethical problems of
feeding Jeff Bezos' empire? (If you have seen this episode of Hasan
Minhaj's on ethical issues of using AWS [2]). Why can't we do/host this on
Wikimedia infrastructure? Has this been evaluated?
 - Why is the community not consulted about this?

Maybe I missed announcements, consultations or anything, forgive me for my
ignorance. Any pointers is enough. I also understand diversifying our
revenue is a good tool for rainy days but a consultation with the community
wouldn't be too bad.

[1]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T254275
[2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5maXvZ5fyQY

Best
-- 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid API?

2020-06-14 Thread James Heilman
Further details are forthcoming from WMF staff.

J

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 1:42 PM James Heilman  wrote:

> Was discussed here
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Iteration_1/Revenue_Streams/1
>
> and
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Iteration_1/Revenue_Streams/1
>
> James
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 1:37 PM Yair Rand  wrote:
>
>> The strategy recommendations include the text: "Explore fees or
>> sustainability models for enterprise-scale commercial reusers, taking care
>> to avoid revenue dependencies or other undue external influence in product
>> design and development. / Develop appropriate safeguards to ensure
>> continued free, unrestricted access for non-commercial, research, and
>> small
>> to moderate commercial use." Earlier versions elaborate somewhat, and
>> there
>> were considerable reservations expressed about the idea during the
>> process.
>>
>> It is quite concerning.
>>
>> -- Yair Rand
>>
>> ‫בתאריך יום א׳, 14 ביוני 2020 ב-14:33 מאת ‪Amir Sarabadani‬‏ <‪
>> ladsgr...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬
>>
>> > Hello,
>> > Today I stumbled upon this public phabricator ticket [1] created by
>> someone
>> > from WMF starting with:
>> > "My team is creating bi-weekly HTML Dumps for all of the wikis, except
>> for
>> > wikidata as part of the paid API project."
>> >
>> > I have so many questions:
>> >  - What is the "paid API" project? Are we planning to make money out of
>> our
>> > API? Now are we selling our dumps?
>> >  - If so, why is this not communicated before? Why are we kept in the
>> dark?
>> >  - Does the board know and approve it?
>> >  - How is this going to align with our core values like openness and
>> > transparency?
>> >  - The ticket implicitly says these are going to be stored on AWS ("S3
>> > bucket"). Is this thought through? Specially the ethical problems of
>> > feeding Jeff Bezos' empire? (If you have seen this episode of Hasan
>> > Minhaj's on ethical issues of using AWS [2]). Why can't we do/host this
>> on
>> > Wikimedia infrastructure? Has this been evaluated?
>> >  - Why is the community not consulted about this?
>> >
>> > Maybe I missed announcements, consultations or anything, forgive me for
>> my
>> > ignorance. Any pointers is enough. I also understand diversifying our
>> > revenue is a good tool for rainy days but a consultation with the
>> community
>> > wouldn't be too bad.
>> >
>> > [1]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T254275
>> > [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5maXvZ5fyQY
>> >
>> > Best
>> > --
>> > Amir (he/him)
>> > ___
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid API?

2020-06-14 Thread James Heilman
Was discussed here

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Iteration_1/Revenue_Streams/1

and

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Iteration_1/Revenue_Streams/1

James

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 1:37 PM Yair Rand  wrote:

> The strategy recommendations include the text: "Explore fees or
> sustainability models for enterprise-scale commercial reusers, taking care
> to avoid revenue dependencies or other undue external influence in product
> design and development. / Develop appropriate safeguards to ensure
> continued free, unrestricted access for non-commercial, research, and small
> to moderate commercial use." Earlier versions elaborate somewhat, and there
> were considerable reservations expressed about the idea during the process.
>
> It is quite concerning.
>
> -- Yair Rand
>
> ‫בתאריך יום א׳, 14 ביוני 2020 ב-14:33 מאת ‪Amir Sarabadani‬‏ <‪
> ladsgr...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬
>
> > Hello,
> > Today I stumbled upon this public phabricator ticket [1] created by
> someone
> > from WMF starting with:
> > "My team is creating bi-weekly HTML Dumps for all of the wikis, except
> for
> > wikidata as part of the paid API project."
> >
> > I have so many questions:
> >  - What is the "paid API" project? Are we planning to make money out of
> our
> > API? Now are we selling our dumps?
> >  - If so, why is this not communicated before? Why are we kept in the
> dark?
> >  - Does the board know and approve it?
> >  - How is this going to align with our core values like openness and
> > transparency?
> >  - The ticket implicitly says these are going to be stored on AWS ("S3
> > bucket"). Is this thought through? Specially the ethical problems of
> > feeding Jeff Bezos' empire? (If you have seen this episode of Hasan
> > Minhaj's on ethical issues of using AWS [2]). Why can't we do/host this
> on
> > Wikimedia infrastructure? Has this been evaluated?
> >  - Why is the community not consulted about this?
> >
> > Maybe I missed announcements, consultations or anything, forgive me for
> my
> > ignorance. Any pointers is enough. I also understand diversifying our
> > revenue is a good tool for rainy days but a consultation with the
> community
> > wouldn't be too bad.
> >
> > [1]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T254275
> > [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5maXvZ5fyQY
> >
> > Best
> > --
> > Amir (he/him)
> > ___
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid API?

2020-06-14 Thread Yair Rand
The strategy recommendations include the text: "Explore fees or
sustainability models for enterprise-scale commercial reusers, taking care
to avoid revenue dependencies or other undue external influence in product
design and development. / Develop appropriate safeguards to ensure
continued free, unrestricted access for non-commercial, research, and small
to moderate commercial use." Earlier versions elaborate somewhat, and there
were considerable reservations expressed about the idea during the process.

It is quite concerning.

-- Yair Rand

‫בתאריך יום א׳, 14 ביוני 2020 ב-14:33 מאת ‪Amir Sarabadani‬‏ <‪
ladsgr...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬

> Hello,
> Today I stumbled upon this public phabricator ticket [1] created by someone
> from WMF starting with:
> "My team is creating bi-weekly HTML Dumps for all of the wikis, except for
> wikidata as part of the paid API project."
>
> I have so many questions:
>  - What is the "paid API" project? Are we planning to make money out of our
> API? Now are we selling our dumps?
>  - If so, why is this not communicated before? Why are we kept in the dark?
>  - Does the board know and approve it?
>  - How is this going to align with our core values like openness and
> transparency?
>  - The ticket implicitly says these are going to be stored on AWS ("S3
> bucket"). Is this thought through? Specially the ethical problems of
> feeding Jeff Bezos' empire? (If you have seen this episode of Hasan
> Minhaj's on ethical issues of using AWS [2]). Why can't we do/host this on
> Wikimedia infrastructure? Has this been evaluated?
>  - Why is the community not consulted about this?
>
> Maybe I missed announcements, consultations or anything, forgive me for my
> ignorance. Any pointers is enough. I also understand diversifying our
> revenue is a good tool for rainy days but a consultation with the community
> wouldn't be too bad.
>
> [1]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T254275
> [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5maXvZ5fyQY
>
> Best
> --
> Amir (he/him)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid API?

2020-06-14 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Thanks for the pointers, I personally disagree with some parts of it (e.g.
Twitter is a company and we are an NGO) BUT since it passed the community
consultation (and I somehow missed it to raise my feedback), I don't want
to be vocal about the high level reasoning behind the project.

What I would extremely appreciate is more transparent communication to the
community about such large changes (especially sooner). Something like a
two-line text on a phabricator has lots of potential for misunderstanding.

Thanks again.

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 9:44 PM James Heilman  wrote:

> Further details are forthcoming from WMF staff.
>
> J
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 1:42 PM James Heilman  wrote:
>
> > Was discussed here
> >
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Iteration_1/Revenue_Streams/1
> >
> > and
> >
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Iteration_1/Revenue_Streams/1
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 1:37 PM Yair Rand  wrote:
> >
> >> The strategy recommendations include the text: "Explore fees or
> >> sustainability models for enterprise-scale commercial reusers, taking
> care
> >> to avoid revenue dependencies or other undue external influence in
> product
> >> design and development. / Develop appropriate safeguards to ensure
> >> continued free, unrestricted access for non-commercial, research, and
> >> small
> >> to moderate commercial use." Earlier versions elaborate somewhat, and
> >> there
> >> were considerable reservations expressed about the idea during the
> >> process.
> >>
> >> It is quite concerning.
> >>
> >> -- Yair Rand
> >>
> >> ‫בתאריך יום א׳, 14 ביוני 2020 ב-14:33 מאת ‪Amir Sarabadani‬‏ <‪
> >> ladsgr...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬
> >>
> >> > Hello,
> >> > Today I stumbled upon this public phabricator ticket [1] created by
> >> someone
> >> > from WMF starting with:
> >> > "My team is creating bi-weekly HTML Dumps for all of the wikis, except
> >> for
> >> > wikidata as part of the paid API project."
> >> >
> >> > I have so many questions:
> >> >  - What is the "paid API" project? Are we planning to make money out
> of
> >> our
> >> > API? Now are we selling our dumps?
> >> >  - If so, why is this not communicated before? Why are we kept in the
> >> dark?
> >> >  - Does the board know and approve it?
> >> >  - How is this going to align with our core values like openness and
> >> > transparency?
> >> >  - The ticket implicitly says these are going to be stored on AWS ("S3
> >> > bucket"). Is this thought through? Specially the ethical problems of
> >> > feeding Jeff Bezos' empire? (If you have seen this episode of Hasan
> >> > Minhaj's on ethical issues of using AWS [2]). Why can't we do/host
> this
> >> on
> >> > Wikimedia infrastructure? Has this been evaluated?
> >> >  - Why is the community not consulted about this?
> >> >
> >> > Maybe I missed announcements, consultations or anything, forgive me
> for
> >> my
> >> > ignorance. Any pointers is enough. I also understand diversifying our
> >> > revenue is a good tool for rainy days but a consultation with the
> >> community
> >> > wouldn't be too bad.
> >> >
> >> > [1]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T254275
> >> > [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5maXvZ5fyQY
> >> >
> >> > Best
> >> > --
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