Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet Archive BOT

[effe iets anders]

Hi Pascal, all,

this is being discussed here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cyberpower678 THe last response was
June 16, and it seems to focus on geo-blocking as the cause for
blacklisting (in case anyone feels called to help out the developer).

This bot performs incredible work and I hope it gets fixed soon!

Best,
Lodewijk

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 5:04 AM Pascal Martin  wrote:

> HI,
>
> My native language is French, automatic translation into English.
> This message follows the numerous detection of false 404 links by the
> Internet Archive robot because it is blacklisted on a lot of servers. Small
> details concerning the archiving service of Wikiwix (
> https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:De_kroeg#Internet_Archive_Bot )
> It is based solely on this Javascript to be implemented since 2008 in
> French Wikipedia:
> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-ArchiveLinks.js
> The advantage of this solution makes it possible to add other archiving
> sources, and does not modify the content of Wikipedia articles.
> New links are detected by 3 different means:
> • Annual recovery: https://dumps.wikimedia.org/backup-index.html,
> • Recovery on IRC and on the WEB of Recents Changes.
> And we also recommend clicking on the archive link as soon as the source
> is added by a contributor, this immediately generates storage of the link
> and allows you to test the rendering of the archived page.
> In addition to fighting 404 errors, this solution also offers the
> advantage of protecting against changes in content that may appear in the
> pages to be archived.
> Wikiwix strictly respects copyright, archiving is only done with the
> author's approval using the noarchive tag.
> Since 2015, I have been alerting about the deployment of the IA ​​robot:
> 2015:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2015/Bots_and_gadgets:
> the bot solution with modification of the template cache is currently
> exclusive to WayBackMachine, 2017:
> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_user:Pmartin#I_left_you_a_message! :
> attempted collaboration abort by the bot trainer and bot stopped following
> numerous false detections on page 404.
> The role of IABOT is to detect the links present in Wikipedia which are in
> errors 404, to find an archive in priority on the WayBack Machine, and to
> modify the articles to replace the dead link there.
> This process is not good because IABOT only allows one archive url to be
> stored on all the languages, which greatly favors the Wayback Machine, to
> the detriment of the different versions of the page. While the template
> should link to a page that would list all of the possible archives for a
> 404 page.
> A week has been planned for the end of July 2020 to resolve the few
> stabilization problems that Wikiwix currently encounters, linked to the new
> solution which consumes only 30 euros of electricity per month, we can also
> support this week for a deployment of the solution on the NL part of
> Wikipedia.
>
> Could someone stop this bots, otherwise the false detection of links will
> become contagious for all projects?
>
> Pascal Martin
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

[Pete Forsyth]

I tend to agree with Nathan here. I don't know the history of the event
described, so I'm not sure whether or not it would be fair to bring up even
if it had been Natalia. But certainly, publicly identifying the incorrect
person in an accusation is no small thing.

Gnangarra, you have given yourself an opportunity to show the rest of us
what it looks like to take responsibility for doing something wrong. I
think we are all interested to see what path you take.

-Pete
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On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 4:08 PM Nathan  wrote:

> Considering the context, Gnangarra, I think you owe something a little more
> substantial. In the midst of tearing Nat down for misdeeds which you
> yourself acknowledge she didn't personally commit (that of Board
> miscommunication), and considering your opposition is based on Board
> directives that she did not write, you slandered her with an accusation
> that is both incorrectly applied to her and false in any case.
>
> As you said, "Taking responsibility for a gross failure does in fact mean
> accepting and acknowledging you failed, and then stating what you intend to
> do to rectify that failing." I await your demonstration of this principle
> which is clearly so critically important to you. Nataliia is a human being
> and a volunteer, as are we all, and we should all be better than to toss
> off gross insults against colleagues on no basis whatsoever.
>
> On the topic, I think others have said it very well - the core problem is
> that this rebranding approach is backward. It should have begun with
> community conversations, with a "grass roots" effort to develop a common
> understanding of the problem. Instead the Board decided, paid some people a
> lot of money to present a narrow range of options, and planned the
> community consultation as a last and limited step. These are serious errors
> with significant consequences, as we see.
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 6:19 AM Gnangarra  wrote:
>
> > My apologies for that error
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

[Nathan]

Considering the context, Gnangarra, I think you owe something a little more
substantial. In the midst of tearing Nat down for misdeeds which you
yourself acknowledge she didn't personally commit (that of Board
miscommunication), and considering your opposition is based on Board
directives that she did not write, you slandered her with an accusation
that is both incorrectly applied to her and false in any case.

As you said, "Taking responsibility for a gross failure does in fact mean
accepting and acknowledging you failed, and then stating what you intend to
do to rectify that failing." I await your demonstration of this principle
which is clearly so critically important to you. Nataliia is a human being
and a volunteer, as are we all, and we should all be better than to toss
off gross insults against colleagues on no basis whatsoever.

On the topic, I think others have said it very well - the core problem is
that this rebranding approach is backward. It should have begun with
community conversations, with a "grass roots" effort to develop a common
understanding of the problem. Instead the Board decided, paid some people a
lot of money to present a narrow range of options, and planned the
community consultation as a last and limited step. These are serious errors
with significant consequences, as we see.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 6:19 AM Gnangarra  wrote:

> My apologies for that error
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Emergency moderation ended

[Benjamin Ikuta]

Thanks, I appreciate the work you do. 



On Jun 23, 2020, at 3:03 PM, Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> Just a handful of further responses on the racism thread.
> 
> Specifically in case anyone wonders, no messages regarding the branding
> project were suppressed.
> 
>   A.
> 
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 00:54 Benjamin Ikuta  wrote:
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>> 
>> 
>> For the sake of transparency, how many messages were blocked?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Asaf Bartov  wrote:
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Emergency moderation ended

[Asaf Bartov]

Just a handful of further responses on the racism thread.

Specifically in case anyone wonders, no messages regarding the branding
project were suppressed.

   A.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 00:54 Benjamin Ikuta  wrote:

>
>
> For the sake of transparency, how many messages were blocked?
>
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Asaf Bartov  wrote:
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Emergency moderation ended

[Benjamin Ikuta]

For the sake of transparency, how many messages were blocked? 



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

[phoebe ayers]

I second Jan-Bart; thanks to Nat for this letter. As someone who asked for
a board statement, I appreciate this very much. And as someone who has also
been on the other side, like Jan-Bart I am aware of how much work a
statement like this likely took (and how difficult it is to balance many
perspectives, and address many audiences, knowing many will be irritated or
angry in any controversial debate).

I also take heart -- honestly and genuinely -- that we are debating this
issue. I am glad that enough people care about Wikimedia, and what it
means, that they are willing to argue the point -- it would be a sad day
indeed if that wasn't true. I take heart that we do want more people to
join our projects and movement, and are exploring ways to do that --
including how people know of us, our names and brands. I also, lastly, want
to acknowledge Brad's post, with which I agree. It is a fundamental role of
the Foundation to hold our marks in trust on behalf of the community. This
(like hosting the servers themselves, or other essential infrastructure
work) is part of what we need a corporate entity for. And our legal team,
over many years and many GCs and leaders, has done an admirable job of
defending those marks and keeping them for all of us. I appreciate that
very much. Keeping the marks is a social trust as well as a legal one, and
that social aspect is what we find ourselves discussing now.

For the staff involved, I want to acknowledge that many of you have been
working on this for years, and it must feel like you cannot win, or that
there is not enough consultation in the world. Is there enough consultation
in the world to get hundreds of thousands of Wikimedians to all agree?
Probably not, no. But is there enough consultation to, as the Quakers would
say, discern the sense of the meeting? I think that there is, and I think
with every consultation exercise we get closer to finding that consensus. I
wrote elsewhere on Meta that I was profoundly disappointed in this process.
That is true, and yet: I am also profoundly glad that I, and so many of us,
have such high standards for our movement -- our absolutely unique,
sometimes infuriating, and profoundly essential movement, that values
debate and dissent, collaboration and consensus. That is a brand we all
keep in trust.

-- Phoebe


On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 6:25 AM Jan-Bart de Vreede 
wrote:

> Hi Natalii (and everyone)
>
> Thank you for this mail. I know this was hard to write, also knowing that
> it will be dissected by a lot of people who will read it with a perspective
> all of their own.
>
> Having been on the other side of the fence I know how hard it is to
> (re)gain trust after mistakes have been made (and to be clear, mistakes
> have and will be made by everyone). In my opinion this is caused by an
> existing tension between the volunteer movement and the Foundation which is
> based mostly on emotions and a difference of opinion with regards to the
> best path forward for a lot of issues. Everyone seems to remember the time
> that the Foundation was tone deaf, but no one recalls all the things that
> are going well. So it is encouraging to read that we still have time before
> the board has to make this decision (and to understand that the deciion has
> not been made)
>
> Honestly: I realise that people find it annoying to be reminded that the
> board has the authority to change the name of the Foundation. But apart
> from being very direct it is not only true, but also your responsibility.
> As I stated elsewhere I look towards the board to make a decision which
> looks at the benefits (which could be financial or otherwise) and the costs
> (which in this case seem to include a lot of resistance from the
> community). Apparently you are not in a position to make that decision at
> this time, and that is understandable.
>
> However: there is a question if you can accurately measure the outcome of
> the survey as it is formulated now (which should give you a good indication
> of the movements feelings on this topic)… I have heard several people
> complain that it is “not easy” to fill in the survey to indicate that one
> is against a name change altogether. It might be a good idea to make this
> an easier option or gauge feedback in another way. by pausing or restarting
> the community consultation process in a different way.
>
> Thanks again for your efforts.
>
> Jan-Bart de Vreede
>
> PS: I am thinking of making a standard disclaimer under my emails on
> topics such as these: During my 9 years as a Board member of the Foundation
> I have made mistakes and so have the people I worked with, both volunteers
> and staff. I have however never doubted anyone’s intentions and have always
> noticed that  tensions such as these are also fueled  by a passion that can
> only come from caring a lot about the subject matter. It is often easy to
> forget that. I take the blame for the mistakes that were made during my
> tenure, and I hope that the above 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Emergency moderation ended

[Isaac Olatunde]

Dear Asaf,

Thanks for this update. I trust the judgement of the list moderators.

Regards

Isaac

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Dear Wikimedians,

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

[Samuel Klein]

Brad: this was brilliant, thank you.

I have been thinking about how to phrase this all week, and you touched it
with a needle.

The Foundation's one undelegable role is to protect the community identity
through its marks.
That is a foundation upon which all else rests.

There are many ways we can improve our visibility and use of marks in
different regions.
This is a task facing all of us in our own communities. (And in this,
passion and persistence can be as important as a great concept.)

But it is self-destructive for our mark-protector to repurpose a project
name against the wishes of its community.  It is no better to circle the
question, saying "we are only considering it. of course we have the
unilateral right to do this, the project name is *our* mark and not *yours*".
That cuts deep — like carving out one's own heart to realize one of its
passing desires.

Brad wrote:
> Protection of the [marks] is an incredibly important function that cannot
be carried out by the community, legally.
> The Foundation's job is to hold these marks and the identity of the
community sacred.
> If I may be direct, that's where you screwed up. The Board has a lot of
work to do now to return to the idea
> that you need to be a fiduciary for the community. You need to hold the 
> community's
interest and identity sacred.
> Now is the time to pause before even more tremendous damage is done.

Our ethos includes self-governance, collaboration, and public iteration.
Let us embody that in this discussion. We should also be always prepared
 to rebuild the encyclopedia (or
any aspect of free knowledge) from scratch.  Let us not rest on our
laurels, and continue building anew.

Sam.

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 12:25 PM Brad Patrick  wrote:

> Today, the community is everywhere around the globe, and the structural
> dichotomy
> remains the same, but at scale.
>


> If the Foundation is leaving money on the table by not exploiting its
> Brand, so be it. "The Foundation" as a commercial organization has utterly
> lost sight of who it works for if "the Brand" is the subject of the
> conversation. YOU ARE TRUSTEES OF A COMMUNITY OF INTERESTS, AND THAT MEANS
> PEOPLE - THE COMMUNITY - FIRST. Stop acting like a hedge fund.



> Rethink the sacred obligation you have to the people
> around the world who pour their souls and blood into free culture and the
> aspiration of free knowledge. That's who you work for. The Foundation
> doesn't protect "its" brands. It works for the community, as trustees of
> their cultural contributions.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

[Shabab Mustafa]

Thank you, Nataliia, for stepping forward and clearing out some of the
confusion. That helps.

But not all the confusion gets cleared for me regarding the survey process.
For example, X marks Option 1 as 'Disagree' and Option 2 as 'Strongly
Disagree'. The score points for 'Disagree' is -1 and 'Strongly Disagree' is
-2. Will the report say, 'X prefers Option 1 over Option 2', just because
mathematically -1 is greater than -2?

Please pardon my lack of understanding of reporting formats, as I could not
find the information on how the result of this survey will be interpreted
and presented to the board.

BR,
Shabab


On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 at 22:55, Paulo Santos Perneta 
wrote:

> And there never was any insult or anything close to that, just a
> misunderstanding, which I believe was clarified.
>
> A terça, 23 de jun de 2020, 08:56, revi  escreveu:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > > 2020. 6. 23. 14:13, Gnangarra  작성:
> > >
> > > Nat insulted an ESEAP
> > > affiliate because she wanted a European affiliate to endorse her
> > > nomination.
> >
> > Fact check: that was Shani Evanstein.
> >
> >
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> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2019/Nominations/Shani_Evenstein
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[Wikimedia-l] New members of the Board and Supervisory Committee

[Wikimedia Armenia Board]

Dear Wikimedians,


On June 6-8, 2020 Wikimedia Armenia’s snap Assembly was held online, the
agenda of which was the adoption of the new charter, the election of the
Board members, and the Supervisory Committee. All this was done within the
framework of the organization's reforms.

The majority of eighty-eight members of Wikimedia Armenia voted for all
suggested issues by open and transparent vote. The new charter was
approved, which was developed within 5 months by the members of the
organization and lawyers and was based on the conclusion of the governance
audit conducted in Wikimedia Armenia, our research and discussions. Narek
Avetisyan and Davit Poghosyan were elected as members of the Board, and
Davit Arevyan and Norayr Baghdasaryan were elected as members of the
Supervisory Committee. All the selected candidates have a great
contribution to the development of various Wiki projects and Wikimedia
Armenia.

As a result, the Board of Wikimedia Armenia consists of four members:
Vahagn Piliposyan (the Chair of the Board), Tigran Azizbekyan (Secretary of
the Board), Narek Avetisyan and David Poghosyan. The Supervisory Committee
consists of three members: Vardan Mnatsakanyan (the Chair of the
Committee), Norayr Baghdasaryan (the Secretary of the Committee), and David
Arevyan. Currently, the President of Wikimedia Armenia is Susanna Mkrtchyan
who was elected during the previous Assembly.

“Wikimedia Armenia” NGO’s Chair of the Board
Vahagn Piliposyan
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

[Paulo Santos Perneta]

And there never was any insult or anything close to that, just a
misunderstanding, which I believe was clarified.

A terça, 23 de jun de 2020, 08:56, revi  escreveu:

> Hi,
>
> > 2020. 6. 23. 14:13, Gnangarra  작성:
> >
> > Nat insulted an ESEAP
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> > nomination.
>
> Fact check: that was Shani Evanstein.
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation for Education Office hours, June 2020

[Sailesh Patnaik]

Juhar everyone,

In case you have missed the agenda for the Education office hours, you can
bring any topic for discussion and share your work (mostly related to use
of Wikimedia projects in education). This time we will be joined by the
Reading Wikipedia [1] research fellows, know about the project and how the
fellowship helped them understand the Wikimedia community, also we will
have Edna and Praveen, the regional managers for Partnership in Latin
America and South Asia and my colleagues from the education team to answer
your questions and see how they can support your work.

Join us on 25th June 2020 at 12:00 PM UTC

Best!
Sailesh

[1]
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/About/Education_Team/Reading_Wikipedia_in_the_Classroom

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 6:31 PM Sailesh Patnaik 
wrote:

>  Hi everyone,
>
> This is an invitation to join the monthly education office hours! The o
> ffice hours are a dedicated time and an online space to have
> conversations and discussions related to Wikimedia and education activities,
> listen and learn from each other's projects and activities. Join us for
> the month of June on 25th June 2020 at 12:00 PM UTC.
>
> You can find details to join the meeting here:
> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/About/Office_Hours/June_25_2020
>
> Looking forward to seeing you all then, Please let me know if you have any
> questions.
>
> Do you want to reach out to the education team for a 1:1 consultation?
> Request for a slot for Education Office Space (
> ttps://outreach.wikimedia. org/wiki/Education/About/Office_Space
>  ) by
> filling this google form ( http://bit.ly/EduOfficeSpace )
>
> Dhanyabaad!
> --
> *Sailesh Patnaik*
> Program Coordinator, Education
>


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[Wikimedia-l] Internet Archive BOT

[Pascal Martin]

HI,

My native language is French, automatic translation into English.
This message follows the numerous detection of false 404 links by the Internet 
Archive robot because it is blacklisted on a lot of servers. Small details 
concerning the archiving service of Wikiwix ( 
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:De_kroeg#Internet_Archive_Bot )
It is based solely on this Javascript to be implemented since 2008 in French 
Wikipedia: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-ArchiveLinks.js
The advantage of this solution makes it possible to add other archiving 
sources, and does not modify the content of Wikipedia articles.
New links are detected by 3 different means:
• Annual recovery: https://dumps.wikimedia.org/backup-index.html,
• Recovery on IRC and on the WEB of Recents Changes.
And we also recommend clicking on the archive link as soon as the source is 
added by a contributor, this immediately generates storage of the link and 
allows you to test the rendering of the archived page.
In addition to fighting 404 errors, this solution also offers the advantage of 
protecting against changes in content that may appear in the pages to be 
archived.
Wikiwix strictly respects copyright, archiving is only done with the author's 
approval using the noarchive tag.
Since 2015, I have been alerting about the deployment of the IA ​​robot: 2015: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2015/Bots_and_gadgets:
 the bot solution with modification of the template cache is currently 
exclusive to WayBackMachine, 2017: 
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_user:Pmartin#I_left_you_a_message! : 
attempted collaboration abort by the bot trainer and bot stopped following 
numerous false detections on page 404.
The role of IABOT is to detect the links present in Wikipedia which are in 
errors 404, to find an archive in priority on the WayBack Machine, and to 
modify the articles to replace the dead link there.
This process is not good because IABOT only allows one archive url to be stored 
on all the languages, which greatly favors the Wayback Machine, to the 
detriment of the different versions of the page. While the template should link 
to a page that would list all of the possible archives for a 404 page.
A week has been planned for the end of July 2020 to resolve the few 
stabilization problems that Wikiwix currently encounters, linked to the new 
solution which consumes only 30 euros of electricity per month, we can also 
support this week for a deployment of the solution on the NL part of Wikipedia.

Could someone stop this bots, otherwise the false detection of links will 
become contagious for all projects?

Pascal Martin
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

[Gnangarra]

My apologies for that error

On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 at 15:56, revi  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > 2020. 6. 23. 14:13, Gnangarra  작성:
> >
> > Nat insulted an ESEAP
> > affiliate because she wanted a European affiliate to endorse her
> > nomination.
>
> Fact check: that was Shani Evanstein.
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2019/Nominations/Shani_Evenstein
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

[Yaroslav Blanter]

That one first, and second that it does not even matter. We should
appreciate that Nat came up with this statement, which is written in her
name, not even as a Board resolution, perfectly knowing that it would not
be fully accepted by the active part of the community, and she woull be a
target of attacks. I fully agree that the attacks are absolutely uncalled
for, even if many of us find the statement insufficient.

We are clearly in the middle of a pretty deep crisis (which was, to be
honest, fully predictable) and we must welcome all efforts to deal with the
crisis. It is unfortunate that these crises come all over and over again,
and I believe this is a structural problem (there is some helpful
discussion at the Meta talk page, which will probably not follow up as
similar discussions have never been followed up previously). This is not a
situation created by the current Board members, and whereas they are
partially responsible for not solving it (in the same sense they are
responsible for everything happening in the WikiVerse), there is no reason
they should resign over it.

Best regards
Yaroslav

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:56 AM revi  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > 2020. 6. 23. 14:13, Gnangarra  작성:
> >
> > Nat insulted an ESEAP
> > affiliate because she wanted a European affiliate to endorse her
> > nomination.
>
> Fact check: that was Shani Evanstein.
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2019/Nominations/Shani_Evenstein
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

[revi]

Hi,

> 2020. 6. 23. 14:13, Gnangarra  작성:
> 
> Nat insulted an ESEAP
> affiliate because she wanted a European affiliate to endorse her
> nomination.

Fact check: that was Shani Evanstein.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2019/Nominations/Shani_Evenstein
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