Re: [Wikimedia-l] Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia
on 4/18/12 4:53 AM, Mike Dupont at jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: this just in, scary. Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia http://www.businessinsider.com/norwegian-terrorist-anders-breivik-my-biggest - i nfluence-was-wikipedia-2012-4#ixzz1sN3LZci6 On 18 April 2012 13:55, Marc Riddell michaeldavi...@comcast.net wrote: Unless he expanded on his statement, which isn't in the posted clip, his answer could very well be a sarcastic non-answer to an entity he believes has neither credibility nor authority over him. Marc Riddell It's my understanding that what he said is that Wikipedia was venue he used for researching his ideology. At the end of the day Wikipedia is full of right wing material - because it is a part of history/culture and we have to record it (neutrally). It is entirely possible to take that material and use it to build a world view. This is what people do anyway. We simply have to be accepting of the fact that, while our intent might be to spread a more inclusive society by opening up knowledge to the masses, there is a portion of the population who will form views we find abhorrent. I agree with you, Thomas, that some persons are going to use - or twist - facts to support their own, already-established views. I also agree with Mike that the growing size and complexity of the Encyclopedia needs stronger and more objective oversight. Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia
I find this context upsetting regardless of the points being raised. My personal request for any reader of this email thread, is that if there are any changes you would like to see on Wikipedia or other Wikimedia projects, please don't use anything that this monster says as a reason for action. It would be a terrible starting point and taint any discussion. Nothing he has to say has any chance of being notable or rational enough for us to concern ourselves about. I look forward to him being permanently locked away from society and we can turn our backs and move on. Thanks, Fae -- http://enwp.org/user_talk:Fae http://enwp.org/user:Fae/events ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia
Yes, I also found it upsetting, but I decided to bring this topic up as someone had sent it to me, and thought that it is better that we know about what is going on before it hits us and we dont know about it. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote: I find this context upsetting regardless of the points being raised. -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter software tools work welcome at Berlin hackathon in June
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:06 AM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Oddly enough, I have a CiviCRM developer coming around today to talk about WMUK funding a Gift Aid or Direct Debit module. He's based only a few minutes from our office. There is currently a Make It Happen or MIH in progress for UK Direct Debit http://civicrm.org/participate/mih#ukdd. I can put you in touch with some of the CiviCRM staff is you want more details on that project. -- Peter Gehres Fundraiser Production Manager Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] User retention statistics?
Yaroslav - You'll probably find background for some of this on the strategy wiki - that's the community health group that you're thinking about. :-) This is a survey in particular that might interest you: http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force/Community_Health/Former_contributors_survey Also, Zack has some statistics from the Summer of Research, I think, on the other questions you ask. You might write him. pb ___ Philippe Beaudette Director, Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 6643 phili...@wikimedia.org On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ruwrote: My message is inspired by discussion in this thread ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Wikipedia:Administrators%27_** noticeboard#Loss_of_more_and_**more_and_more_established_** editors_and_administratorshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Loss_of_more_and_more_and_more_established_editors_and_administrators) on Englush Wikipedia. Whereas the thread itself is not relevant to this list, and the points get re-iterated on a regular basis, there were statements made there which contain quantitative estimates (for instance that 90% established users who leave do it because they get a new job or have their external life changed in some other way, and not because of harassment etc). Most probably these numbers are not really justified, but then I wanted to know what real numbers are. I am an Rcom member, but I can not recollect such research being accomplished (I might be wrong of course). I could not find data easily either (I spent half an hour because I remembered we had a Community Health initiative group which somehow evolved into the Movement Roles, but the Movement Roles pages on Meta do not talk about community health at all, and I could not even find an appropriate page to ask the question). After this long introduction, does somebody know / can point out the answers to the questions: 1. What is the average lifetime of a Wikipedia editor (for instance the one with at leat 1000 contributions)? I recollect smth about two years, but I am pretty sure I have never seen any research on this. How does it depend on the number of contributions? 2. What are the main reasons why these editors stop editing? Is this correct, for instance, that external reasons are much more important than internal (on-wiki troubles and wiki-related harassment) reasons? The same for say those above 1 edits? Thanks in advance Cheers Yaroslav __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] User retention statistics?
PS. This story was triggered by Fastily's retirement. He has 46000 edits on enwiki, and only about 620 editors have reached that plateau. Of these, 90% are still active. So such retirements are relatively rare. Personally, I hope he decides to come back after taking some time to relax and recharge. It seems to be the case that many such declared retirements aren't really permanent. -Robert Rohde On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: snip 1. What is the average lifetime of a Wikipedia editor (for instance the one with at leat 1000 contributions)? I recollect smth about two years, but I am pretty sure I have never seen any research on this. How does it depend on the number of contributions? For enwiki, using data from last August: 28243 users have at least 1000 edits (all namespaces). Of these, 9898 had not edited in the six months before the end of the data set. So about 65% of the major editors are still active, at least occasionally. The mean wiki-lifetime for the 28243 major users was 49.9 months. For the 9898 users who were not recently active, the mean wiki-lifetime was 35.6 months. Further, there are 4685 users with at least 1 edits, and of these, all but 914 were still active in the last 6 months of the data set. So 80% of the editors at the very high end are still active (at least occasionally). The mean wiki-lifetime on the total group is 60.5 months, and the departed group is 42.6 months. Incidentally, the mean account age of individuals editing article space is now over 3 years for enwiki. A lot of the work is being by the relative old-timers. By the same token though, people who have ever made it to 1000 edits are more likely than not to still be active today. -Robert Rohde ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
