[Wikimedia-l] next Wikidata office hours

2012-04-23 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Hi everyone! I will be holding the next round of Wikidata office hours next week. You're all invited to ask questions and discuss. If you can't attend there will be logs. * 30. April, English, 12:00 UTC (see

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ombudsmen commission

2012-04-23 Thread Thomas Goldammer
* How many cases were brought to your attention? around 30, give or take * How many of those did you consider serious enough to warrant investigation beyond direct dismissal? around 10, I'd say * How many cases did you take on *proactively* (without a solid complaint)? none that I would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ombudsmen commission

2012-04-23 Thread Philippe Beaudette
That's not a formal complaint. That's an email to wikimedia-l. For a formal complaint, I'd request documentation of the dates presented, etc. pb ___ Philippe Beaudette Director, Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 6643 phili...@wikimedia.org On Mon,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ombudsmen commission

2012-04-23 Thread Philippe Beaudette
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 3:49 AM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: On my behalve a letter has been send to the foundation and the same letter has ben send by fax. How formal do you wish to get it? Nor I or the person that sended this communication on my behalf got a responds about the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ombudsmen commission

2012-04-23 Thread Thomas Goldammer
2012/4/23 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: Transparency and privacy are not mutually exclusive. Obviously, the actual content of complaints is usually going to be confidential, but that doesn't preclude the process being transparent. That's why I answered to Lodewijk's questions. I guess

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ombudsmen commission

2012-04-23 Thread Craig Franklin
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] ombudsmen commission

2012-04-23 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 23 Apr 2012, at 13:02, Thomas Goldammer tho...@googlemail.com wrote: You can clearly document the process that you follow. You can publish metrics like those Lodewijk suggested (and actual numbers, not just guesses). It would be nice to have a page on meta that says how many cases are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ombudsmen commission

2012-04-23 Thread Thomas Goldammer
It was not meant passive-aggressive. ;) I know that his suggestion is a good one and I wanted to push him to just do it on Meta. Sorry if you misunderstood that. ^^ Th. I thought Thomas's requests and suggestions in this case were quite valid and reasonable, and they did not deserve such a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ombudsmen commission

2012-04-23 Thread Thomas Goldammer
2012/4/23 Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com: Touché. I believe that if the process is going to be put on Meta we do need actual numbers as opposed to your guesstimations. Hopefully this shouldn't be too difficult to sort out, if you do some searches on Gmail for all the emails that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ombudsmen commission

2012-04-23 Thread Mike Christie
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net wrote: I thought Thomas's requests and suggestions in this case were quite valid and reasonable, and they did not deserve such a condescending and passive-aggressive response. I'm sure you're all very busy but that's no excuse

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ombudsmen commission

2012-04-23 Thread Thomas Goldammer
Ok, for the number fans, I did a filter search on my email archive and I found 660 emails archived that were sent to the OC email address since we were appointed (I don't think I deleted any, so this should probably be it). This includes emails sent from within the committee as well as those sent

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ombudsmen commission

2012-04-23 Thread Thomas Goldammer
2012/4/23 Mike Christie coldchr...@gmail.com: This might be a digression, but I'm fairly new to this list and would like a clarification.  What's the decision-making process within the WMF on issues such as this (a request from the community to document a WMF process)?  I understand how

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ombudsmen commission

2012-04-23 Thread Thomas Goldammer
Please have a look at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_commission#Processing.2FReporting I hope this is sort of satisfying for now? I will not do that for the 2011 term. Already this one cost me more than two hours and it is only from 1st of February to now. :) If you do the maths you end

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention implies social features

2012-04-23 Thread Captain Harlock
hi, Please do thank the journalist concerned. I agree with the line of reasoning.But I sway away from one of his conclusions. So I think the answer is that Wikipedia needs to be more social. It needs a different kind of moderation. And it needs more mechanisms for positive feedback.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ombudsmen commission

2012-04-23 Thread Risker
On 23 April 2012 12:41, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/4/23 Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com: Top posting. This is getting a bit ridiculous. Frankly, while I see the need for *some* statistics, I don't see how the number of emails exchanged is in any kind of way

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ombudsmen commission

2012-04-23 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Risker, 23/04/2012 18:50: I don't think your correlation is correct. Simply because they have not maintained a list of case dispositions (not required or expected to this point, and more particularly very difficult to do when there's no confidential place for them to retain it) does not mean

[Wikimedia-l] FDC Advisory Group selection complete

2012-04-23 Thread Barry Newstead (WMF)
Hi - Per earlier communications, we have selected the Advisory Group to support the design process for the Funds Dissemination Committee in accordance with the formation process we laid out on Meta.[1] The FDC Advisory Group role and the names of the members can be found on Meta.[2] Thanks