Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis
Bod Notbod, 28/04/2012 01:29: So the feature sends out one email per watchlist edit? No, one email per watchlisted *page* edited. If there are hundreds of edits to a single page, you'll receive only one email. Andrew Gray, 28/04/2012 01:46: On 27 April 2012 22:27, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: The only inconvenience is that both new and old users still have to manually enable the feature on their preferences, while it would make more sense to make it opt-out, as for user talk: users want to disable it only on the very few wikis they monitor very closely, when/if the watchlist gets crowded and would generate too much spam. Some thought is needed to address this pat of the problem because of course we don't want to suddenly send thousands of emails to the super-users with (tens of?) thousands of pages in their watchlist before they opt-out. Would it be possible to have it like SUL - if you create an account after X date it is automatically watchlist-email-enabled, if you have an older account you have to manually turn it on. Sure, this is the easiest part. If the default for the checkbox is changed, it changes only for new users (as opposed to defaults in the dropdown options, like thumb size), as far as I know/remember (but I'm not a dev). The problem then becomes notifying people that they can have emailed watchlist alerts, as without some form of notification we'll be having people saying wait, we can do that? in 2015... Perhaps a way to do it would be to trigger a *single* email to a user who doesn't have it enabled, at the time their first triggered watchlist edit would be sent out, informing them of the system and inviting them to turn it on if desired, with an explicit statement that unless they do, there won't be any further emails? This was already done by en.wiki for user talk notifications by changing [[MediaWiki:Enotif body]] to explain the new thing. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use
Birgitte, Andrew, thank you for your kind words. True credit on this one goes to Maggie, Geoff, and the community members who worked countless hours with them and discussed in great detail almost every word of the thing. I think everyone involved would tell you that it was a thoughtful, deliberative, and truly exhausting process but it was amazing in its collegiality in the final product. I'm proud to be part of the team that worked on this, but my role was small... my hat is off to Maggie, Geoff, and all the others who participated (below, I have listed everyone with more than 15 edits to the talk page where it was developed.) Community Members with more than 15 edits to the Talk page: Geoffbrigham Mdennis (WMF) WhatamIdoing Filceolaire FT2 Peteforsyth Michaeldsuarez Seth Finkelstein Angel54 5 Seb az86556 WereSpielChequers Steven (WMF) Rosenkohl Esetzer Wnt Teofilo Philippe (WMF) John Vandenberg Danhash Rich Farmbrough Dcoetzee 62.140.210.130 Григор Гачев ___ Philippe Beaudette Director, Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 6643 phili...@wikimedia.org On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:48 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: On Apr 27, 2012, at 12:49 AM, Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Hi everyone, As you may be aware, Wikimedia has updated its Terms of Use. This updated version will become effective on May 25, 2012, and can be reviewed herehttp://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use_%282012%29/en .[1] A short overview of some of the changes is set out herehttp://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/New_Terms_of_use. [2] Best wishes, Philippe Terms of use are boring, and most of us are pretty jaded by how impenetrable, legalistic and, well, awful, most terms of use are on the internet. I want to congratulate you and your department on NOT doing this. The new terms of use are written in clear English, well set out, and cover what seem to be the appropriate bases without being overly verbose and cautious. Well done, Philippe, Geoff, and everyone else. I am also impressed. It actually ends up being the best one piece introduction to what Wikimedia *is* that I have ever read. A lot of thought and consideration were soundly invested in that document. Clarity on that level is HARD, but well worth the effort. I also am thinking that the staff have just set a rather high bar for the board. Imagine if all board resolutions were written with as just as much focus on clarity and as on circumspection. These terms of use show it is possible. Birgitte SB ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Norway annual assembly - new board
Hi all, Wikimedia Norway (WMNO) had its annual assembly last Thursday. See http://no.wikimedia.org/wiki/About_us for a short English presentation of the newly elected board. -- Best regards, Kjetil Ree (user:kjetil_r) Wikimedia Norway ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: IRC Office Hours
+1 to all of that. Gayle is awesome fun. :) On 27 April 2012 21:29, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org wrote: Gayle Young, the Wikimedia Foundation's Chief Talent and Culture Officer, will be our guest for IRC office hours on Tuesday, May 1, at 17:00 UTC. Gayle is a ridiculously smart lady, who has a deep interest in organizational development; some members of local chapters met her in Berlin. This should be a really interesting session... I strongly encourage anyone interested in that topic - or who has an interest in the HR/personnel matters of the Foundation - to attend. Office hours will be in #wikimedia-office on the freenode IRC network. More details and time conversions can be found at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours See you there. :) pb ___ Philippe Beaudette Director, Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 6643 phili...@wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Oliver Keyes Community Liaison, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use
Kudos to the community and WMF teams for creating this outstanding document! I love the brevity, clarity -- and yes, elegance -- of your human-readable summary. I'm amazed that you managed to fit our most important goals, rights and responsibilities into just 12 bullet points. It's an inspiring achievement, which I will seek to emulate in my own work. Well done, everybody! Fabrice __ Fabrice Florin Product Manager, Editor Engagement Wikimedia Foundation +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6827 work fflo...@wikimedia.org On Apr 28, 2012, at 5:00 AM, wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote: Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:43:04 -0700 From: Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use Message-ID: capb+ky_omsnlpit3jwhjzslzzccvmtahb+g84jop2wy97_d...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Birgitte, Andrew, thank you for your kind words. True credit on this one goes to Maggie, Geoff, and the community members who worked countless hours with them and discussed in great detail almost every word of the thing. I think everyone involved would tell you that it was a thoughtful, deliberative, and truly exhausting process but it was amazing in its collegiality in the final product. I'm proud to be part of the team that worked on this, but my role was small... my hat is off to Maggie, Geoff, and all the others who participated (below, I have listed everyone with more than 15 edits to the talk page where it was developed.) Community Members with more than 15 edits to the Talk page: Geoffbrigham Mdennis (WMF) WhatamIdoing Filceolaire FT2 Peteforsyth Michaeldsuarez Seth Finkelstein Angel54 5 Seb az86556 WereSpielChequers Steven (WMF) Rosenkohl Esetzer Wnt Teofilo Philippe (WMF) John Vandenberg Danhash Rich Farmbrough Dcoetzee 62.140.210.130 ?? ? ___ Philippe Beaudette Director, Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 6643 phili...@wikimedia.org On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:48 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: On Apr 27, 2012, at 12:49 AM, Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Hi everyone, As you may be aware, Wikimedia has updated its Terms of Use. This updated version will become effective on May 25, 2012, and can be reviewed herehttp://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use_%282012%29/en .[1] A short overview of some of the changes is set out herehttp://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/New_Terms_of_use. [2] Best wishes, Philippe Terms of use are boring, and most of us are pretty jaded by how impenetrable, legalistic and, well, awful, most terms of use are on the internet. I want to congratulate you and your department on NOT doing this. The new terms of use are written in clear English, well set out, and cover what seem to be the appropriate bases without being overly verbose and cautious. Well done, Philippe, Geoff, and everyone else. I am also impressed. It actually ends up being the best one piece introduction to what Wikimedia *is* that I have ever read. A lot of thought and consideration were soundly invested in that document. Clarity on that level is HARD, but well worth the effort. I also am thinking that the staff have just set a rather high bar for the board. Imagine if all board resolutions were written with as just as much focus on clarity and as on circumspection. These terms of use show it is possible. Birgitte SB ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l End of Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 97, Issue 81 *** ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention implies social features
Jan; we get new features fairly regularly :). At the moment we're working on two new pieces of software - the Article Feedback Form, v5, and New Page Triage (a replacement for Special:NewPages). After that we're moving on to a proper notifications system to allow better communication and participation across wikis. I appreciate the rate of progress may seem slow; it is worth pointing out we have a very small teem of features engineers (although more are being hired!) and so are limited in how many different things we can work on at once. On 25 April 2012 19:50, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, yes, there surely were comments from developers... that is positive. But the result as general is still nothing at all (the feature is not even nearing deployment). WMF should invest in new features. I am not a dev and thus can not contribute any code. Kozuch 2012/4/25 Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org: On 04/23/2012 01:03 PM, Jan Ku?era wrote: Hi there, If, on the other hand, you just mean features to promote greater communication and networking between editors, that's a clear priority - I'm happy to talk to people about the work we're doing, and to hear any suggestions along the way :). yes I exactly meant that. It is about making contributing not suck. How often does Wikipedia (=MediaWiki) get big new features??? I posted a bug about integrating some kind of graph/chart feature (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29806) and in 9 months almost nothing happened... and this really sucks... beleive it or not... Kozuch Hi, Kozuch. I look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29806 and I see that, within a day of the issue being filed, multiple experienced MediaWiki developers commented on that issue to explain what the chart software's developers would have to do in order to make it suitable for use on our sites. I've also contacted the author of that extension to point at that bug's comments and at this procedural guide: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Writing_an_extension_for_deployment so if you could help me in alerting the extension's author to those comments, that would be great. Thanks! -- Sumana Harihareswara Volunteer Development Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Oliver Keyes Community Liaison, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Write about Wikipedia Zero!
Wikipedia Zero is starting to get more attention recently. We could use set of funny / beautiful / amazing images of it in use, and a compelling overview page to send people to that mentions how to can spread the word / get their local distributors or politicians or schools on board. Then we should run a little viral publicity campaign. It's really a very sexy project. We could frame it as something universal: free access to Wikipedia on all mobile devices and networks. This seems to be the main project page for now, so I've been encouraging people to link to it in their posts. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Zero SJ -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention implies social features
Sumana writes: so if you could help me in alerting the extension's author to those comments, that would be great. Thanks! Jan Kučera writes: yes, there surely were comments from developers... that is positive. But the result as general is still nothing at all (the feature is not even nearing deployment). WMF should invest in new features. I am not a dev and thus can not contribute any code. +1 to investing in supporting code written by others. I think Sumana put it very well above :) You can help facilitate better/faster communication between core mediawiki devs and extension writers. SJ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
