[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 8, Issue 18 -- 30 April 2012

2012-05-01 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
Paid editing: Does Wikipedia Pay? The Consultant: Pete Forsyth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-30/Paid_editing

News and notes: Showdown as featured article writer openly solicits commercial 
opportunities
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-30/News_and_notes

Recent research: Barnstars work; Wiktionary assessed; cleanup tags counted; 
finding expert admins; discussion peaks; Wikipedia citations in academic 
publications; and more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-30/Recent_research

Discussion report: 'ReferenceTooltips' by default
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-30/Discussion_report

WikiProject report: The Cartographers of WikiProject Maps
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-30/WikiProject_report

Featured content: Featured content spreads its wings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-30/Featured_content

Arbitration report: RI Review remains in voting, two open cases
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-30/Arbitration_report

Technology report: What Git means for end users, design controversies and 
pertinent poll results
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-30/Technology_report


Single page view
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signpost/Single

PDF version
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-30


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on the CISPA drafting process, and its significance to the Wikimedia movement.

2012-05-01 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Alec Meta alecm...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
 cimonav...@gmail.com wrote:
 There have been drastic changes to the CISPA language, (and
 here drastic is an understatement).
 ...
 At this point I think *any* action by Wikimedia would be misinterpreted.
 There is no-longer any text there that would affect Wikimedia directly.

 I think we should take our cues from the American Library Association.
  Wikimedia is really an outcrop of the Public Library movement.   If
 the librarians oppose it, we are on solid ground opposing it to.
 Indeed, we can justify our opposition merely by pointing to the ALA's
 position--   Librarians are like the Military in the US-- everyone
 loves librarians.

 Going full black may not be justified, but releasing a statement of
 some kind (or a small banner of some kind) might be appropriate.

 Also, remember that we are a global organization.  If the US
 'legitimizes' universal cyber-surveillance, it could have deep
 ramifications for our readers editors living under authoritarian
 regimes.  Even if the US is a good steward of these new powers, non-US
 users are unlikely to be so lucky.

 The language is reportedly in flux.  I strongly suggest taking our
 cues from the ALA.   If they librarians oppose it, let us oppose it
 too.


I totally agree with all of the above, butI think we have a good opportunity
to frame the argument as one of Obama and the People against a corrupt
system on the Hill. Not Wikimedia as a nine-hundred pound gorilla against
the peoples duly elected representatives.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: IRC Office Hours

2012-05-01 Thread Bod Notbod
Just thought I'd bump this thread due to the IRC sessions imminence
and add value with a link to Gayle's staff page on the Foundation
wiki:

http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:Gyoung

Bodnotbod

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use

2012-05-01 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Tell me what I am missing here. please. Do these new rules not
mean Chinese internet users are violating our terms of service,
if they evade Chinese state censorhip to view our content?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use

2012-05-01 Thread Nathan
Richard, you removed some relevant language:

Certain activities, whether legal or illegal, may be harmful to other
users and violate our rules, and some activities may also subject you to
liability. Therefore, for your own protection and for that of other users, *you
may not engage in such activities on our sites*. These activities include:
[..] Using the services in a manner that is inconsistent with applicable
law.


I think that expecting the ToS to condone violations of laws that are in
some way anti-freedom is unrealistic. It seems like it would be difficult
to craft language to do that well.

~Nathan

On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Richard Symonds 
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 I don't think it does say that, or if it does, I can't see where. You're
 certainly liable if you break a law in your own country, but I don't think
 you've broken the terms of use. It says that

  Certain activites may subject you to liabilities... [for example] using
  the services in a manner that is inconsistent with applicable law.


 This means, to my eyes, that you're potentially liable (to someone) if you
 break the law in your own country - which makes perfect sense to me.

 But then, I am not a lawyer, nor do I work for the WMF.

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[Wikimedia-l] best practices in scheduling a meeting

2012-05-01 Thread phoebe ayers
Hi all,

This is a small but common task :) I was writing up some tips for
scheduling a meeting in the wiki-verse for someone and thought what
the heck, I should put this on meta as well. So here it is:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Best_practices_in_scheduling_a_meeting

Please edit -- I know many of you schedule far more meetings than I
do! Hopefully it will be a useful resource, especially for people new
to Wikimedia who need to schedule such meetings.

cheers,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use

2012-05-01 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Richard, you removed some relevant language:

 Certain activities, whether legal or illegal, may be harmful to other
 users and violate our rules, and some activities may also subject you to
 liability. Therefore, for your own protection and for that of other users, 
 *you
 may not engage in such activities on our sites*. These activities include:
 [..] Using the services in a manner that is inconsistent with applicable
 law.


 I think that expecting the ToS to condone violations of laws that are in
 some way anti-freedom is unrealistic. It seems like it would be difficult
 to craft language to do that well.

 ~Nathan

Would you like an opportunity to phrase that language in a sense that does
not suggest Wikimedia is in support of laws that are anti-freedom?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clerk role description?

2012-05-01 Thread Thehelpfulone
And the SPI (Sockpuppet Investigations) clerks are described at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/SPI/Clerks#Clerks
.

On 1 May 2012 20:03, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

 The English Wikipedia ArbCom's clerks are described here:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Clerks

 On 1 May 2012 20:00, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote:
  Hey folks,
 
  I had a 90-second conversation the other day with SJ about whether it
  would make sense for us to use volunteer clerks as support for the
  FDC (Funds Dissemination Committee), and I'm wondering if anyone can
  point me towards any documentation of the role -- a description of how
  it's typically used, either inside Wikimedia or outside. I have the
  gist, but am curious to learn more, if anyone's got links they could
  point me towards.
 
  Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clerk role description?

2012-05-01 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote:

 Based on this definition, I would not like to be called a clerk. May be an
 Arbcom clerk is ok, because they are supposed to keep records and undertake
 routine administrative duties, but not for FDC, whise members are expected to 
 advise.

The advisory group would not be clerks.  The question is whether it is
helpful to also have clerks, to handle record-keeping and routine
administration to support the work of the FDC + advisors.

SJ

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours reminder

2012-05-01 Thread Tom Morris
On the IRC front, I note that Sue last had an IRC office hours session on 13 
March and there doesn't seem to be any scheduled sessions with Sue in May. 
Might it be an idea to have another office hours session with Sue soon? 

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours reminder

2012-05-01 Thread Steven Walling
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:

 On the IRC front, I note that Sue last had an IRC office hours session on
 13 March and there doesn't seem to be any scheduled sessions with Sue in
 May. Might it be an idea to have another office hours session with Sue soon?


I've currently got a suggestion in for Sue to have an office hours on 5/11,
we're just in the midst of scheduling. :)

Steven
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clerk role description?

2012-05-01 Thread Risker
On 1 May 2012 15:00, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hey folks,

 I had a 90-second conversation the other day with SJ about whether it
 would make sense for us to use volunteer clerks as support for the
 FDC (Funds Dissemination Committee), and I'm wondering if anyone can
 point me towards any documentation of the role -- a description of how
 it's typically used, either inside Wikimedia or outside. I have the
 gist, but am curious to learn more, if anyone's got links they could
 point me towards.



I'd suggest that before giving any thought to whether or not the FDC
process would benefit from clerking, it would be better to determine what
that process actually is, and whether or not the members of the FDC think
that clerking would be useful.  In other words, this decision is at least a
few months down the pike.

Risker/Anne
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clerk role description?

2012-05-01 Thread Risker
On 1 May 2012 16:47, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote:

 On 5/1/2012 12:37 PM, Risker wrote:

 On 1 May 2012 15:00, Sue Gardnersgard...@wikimedia.org**  wrote:

 Hey folks,

 I had a 90-second conversation the other day with SJ about whether it
 would make sense for us to use volunteer clerks as support for the
 FDC (Funds Dissemination Committee), and I'm wondering if anyone can
 point me towards any documentation of the role -- a description of how
 it's typically used, either inside Wikimedia or outside. I have the
 gist, but am curious to learn more, if anyone's got links they could
 point me towards.

 I'd suggest that before giving any thought to whether or not the FDC
 process would benefit from clerking, it would be better to determine what
 that process actually is, and whether or not the members of the FDC think
 that clerking would be useful.  In other words, this decision is at least
 a
 few months down the pike.

 I don't know, is it actually that hard to make a determination that
 creating this kind of support role is useful? We may not have worked out
 all the details of the process, but it seems clear that the process will
 have a certain weight appropriate to the importance people are placing on
 this issue. That could make it quite natural to need clerks, even if we
 don't know yet exactly what the clerks will do. If people like SJ and Sue
 are anticipating a possible need, that's a decent indicator that we might
 as well have the conversation and not simply postpone it.

 If some kind of clerk position is created, I expect it can evolve fairly
 naturally as the funds dissemination process itself gets more developed.
 It's not that different from arbitration clerks, who have picked up various
 tasks over time as it was deemed practical and helpful for them to do so.


Really?  As best I can tell (given the paucity of information available at
this point), it won't be any more complex than the Grants Advisory Group;
that certainly doesn't need clerking.  I am actually quite concerned that
there is consideration to create a bureaucracy to support a committee whose
responsibilities haven't even been delineated; doing so would set the
course for the committee before the FDC Advisory Group even gets its teeth
into the question.

More particularly, since Sue has asked about job descriptions, the two
clerk areas on English Wikipedia are sockpuppet investigations and
arbitration committee pages. The former is quite active in the process
itself, including blocking of suspected sockpuppets; in many cases, they
act as checkusers without the tool.  Arbcom clerk responsibilities are
more oriented to keeping cases together, properly formatted, and tracking
voting.  English Wikipedia has repeatedly refused to permit the development
of any other recognized clerking roles within the project, usually with
good reason.

Risker/Anne
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clerk role description?

2012-05-01 Thread Risker
On 1 May 2012 17:06, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 1 May 2012 21:47, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote:
  I don't know, is it actually that hard to make a determination that
 creating
  this kind of support role is useful? We may not have worked out all the
  details of the process, but it seems clear that the process will have a
  certain weight appropriate to the importance people are placing on this
  issue. That could make it quite natural to need clerks, even if we don't
  know yet exactly what the clerks will do. If people like SJ and Sue are
  anticipating a possible need, that's a decent indicator that we might as
  well have the conversation and not simply postpone it.

 I think it is fairly obvious that the FDC will need some kind of
 administrative support. The only question is whether that should come
 from volunteer clerks or WMF staff. There are pros and cons to both,
 so it's a conversation worth having.


I agree that it is likely they'll need some kind of support.  The type of
support they will need is mostly dependent on what their scope and
responsibilities are, though.  This is very much cart-before-the-horse in
my mind, kind of like hiring the cafeteria staff before you decide whether
or not you're going to have a cafeteria.

Risker/Anne
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clerk role description?

2012-05-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 1 May 2012 22:11, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
 I agree that it is likely they'll need some kind of support.  The type of
 support they will need is mostly dependent on what their scope and
 responsibilities are, though.  This is very much cart-before-the-horse in
 my mind, kind of like hiring the cafeteria staff before you decide whether
 or not you're going to have a cafeteria.

All Sue has done so far is ask for some information in order to inform
a discussion. We're a long way from actually appointing any clerks.

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[Wikimedia-l] article feedback tool, do the links really point where they should to?

2012-05-01 Thread rupert THURNER
when looking at an article, a little improve this page popped up at
the bottom. can it be that some of the links are misguided?

learn how to edit does not link to the learn how to edit page
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_Feedback_Tool/Editing).
but it links on a page telling how to navigate around, how to create
an account, and how to edit.

the learn how to edit page,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_Feedback_Tool/Editing
does not contain a short reason or wizard to create an account.

the help icon ? pops up a little window saying wikipedia wants to
know what you think.

on this little pop up there is a link learn more (about wikipedia
wants to know what you think obviously?) which then links to a help
page showing on top an image (png) where one should enter the
feedback. 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_Feedback_Tool/Version_5/Help)

then i tried to type in feedback into that image - which finally made
me write this mail :)

rupert.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clerk role description?

2012-05-01 Thread Risker
On 1 May 2012 17:13, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 1 May 2012 22:11, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
  I agree that it is likely they'll need some kind of support.  The type of
  support they will need is mostly dependent on what their scope and
  responsibilities are, though.  This is very much cart-before-the-horse in
  my mind, kind of like hiring the cafeteria staff before you decide
 whether
  or not you're going to have a cafeteria.

 All Sue has done so far is ask for some information in order to inform
 a discussion. We're a long way from actually appointing any clerks.



Yes, which is why I provided the information about the roles of the English
Wikipedia clerks.  Having said that, the FDC Advisory Committee is having
its first meeting today, according to the Meta page (I note that the names
of the Board members and outside members aren't included on the list yet).
I'm just making it clear from my perspective that I find it concerning that
there are discussions about the infrastructure to support the FDC when we
are at the very beginning of the discussion about what the FDC should
actually be doing, and that  there are some considerably more disparate
views about what they will do than meets the eye.

Risker/Anne
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] article feedback tool, do the links really point where they should to?

2012-05-01 Thread rupert THURNER
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:28 PM, rupert THURNER
rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:
 when looking at an article, a little improve this page popped up at
 the bottom. can it be that some of the links are misguided?

 learn how to edit does not link to the learn how to edit page
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_Feedback_Tool/Editing).
 but it links on a page telling how to navigate around, how to create
 an account, and how to edit.

 the learn how to edit page,
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_Feedback_Tool/Editing
 does not contain a short reason or wizard to create an account.

 the help icon ? pops up a little window saying wikipedia wants to
 know what you think.

 on this little pop up there is a link learn more (about wikipedia
 wants to know what you think obviously?) which then links to a help
 page showing on top an image (png) where one should enter the
 feedback. 
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_Feedback_Tool/Version_5/Help)

 then i tried to type in feedback into that image - which finally made
 me write this mail :)

and - if you really press edit - one ends up at an article saying:

This article has a long history of vandalism. Please note that such
disruption will be met with blocks from editing. Please report
vandalism on this article to the administrator's vandalism
noticeboard.
This article uses British English and spellings such as artefacts
should not be changed to American English spellings such as
artifacts.
Thank you.

Note: This page has been semi-protected so that only autoconfirmed
users can edit it. If you need any help getting started with editing,
see the New contributors' help page.


rupert

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