Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread Mike Dupont
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:06 AM, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote:
 If your willing to foot the bill for the new hardware
 Ill gladly prove my point

given the millions of dollars that wikipedia has, it should not be a
problem to provide such resources for a good cause like that.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov
I'd like to point out that the increasingly technical nature of this
conversation probably belongs either on wikitech-l, or off-list, and that
the strident nature of the comments is fast approaching inappropriate.

Alex
Wikimedia-l list administrator


2012/5/17 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org

 On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:52 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
  On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:22 AM, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   Anthony the process is linear, you have a php inserting X number of
 rows
   per
   Y time frame.
 
  Amazing.  I need to switch all my databases to MySQL.  It can insert X
  rows per Y time frame, regardless of whether the database is 20
  gigabytes or 20 terabytes in size, regardless of whether the average
  row is 3K or 1.5K, regardless of whether I'm using a thumb drive or a
  RAID array or a cluster of servers, etc.
 
  When refering to X over Y time, its an average of a of say 1000 revisions
  per 1 minute, any X over Y period must be considered with averages in
 mind,
  or getting a count wouldnt be possible.

 The *average* en.wikipedia revision is more than twice the size of the
 *average* simple.wikipedia revision.  The *average* performance of a
 20 gig database is faster than the *average* performance of a 20
 terabyte database.  The *average* performance of your laptop's thumb
 drive is different from the *average* performance of a(n array of)
 drive(s) which can handle 20 terabytes of data.

  If you setup your sever/hardware correctly it will compress the text
  information during insertion into the database

 Is this how you set up your simple.wikipedia test?  How long does it
 take import the data if you're using the same compression mechanism as
 WMF (which, you didn't answer, but I assume is concatenation and
 compression).  How exactly does this work during insertion anyway?
 Does it intelligently group sets of revisions together to avoid
 decompressing and recompressing the same revision several times?  I
 suppose it's possible, but that would introduce quite a lot of
 complication into the import script, slowing things down dramatically.

 What about the answers to my other questions?

  If you want to put your money where your mouth is, import
  en.wikipedia.  It'll only take 5 days, right?
 
  If I actually had a server or the disc space to do it I would, just to
 prove
  your smartass comments as stupid as they actually are. However given my
  current resource limitations (fairly crappy internet connection, older
  laptops, and lack of HDD) I tried to select something that could give
  reliable benchmarks. If your willing to foot the bill for the new
 hardware
  Ill gladly prove my point

 What you seem to be saying is that you're *not* putting your money
 where your mouth is.

 Anyway, if you want, I'll make a deal with you.  A neutral third party
 rents the hardware at Amazon Web Services (AWS).  We import
 simple.wikipedia full history (concatenating and compressing during
 import).  We take the ratio of revisions in simple.wikipedia to the
 ratio of revisions in en.wikipedia.  We import en.wikipedia full
 history (concatenating and compressing during import).  If the ratio
 of time it takes to import en.wikipedia vs simple.wikipedia is greater
 than or equal to twice the ratio of revisions, then you reimburse the
 third party.  If the ratio of import time is less than twice the ratio
 of revisions (you claim it is linear, therefore it'll be the same
 ratio), then I reimburse the third party.

 Either way, we save the new dump, with the processing already done,
 and send it to archive.org (and WMF if they're willing to host it).
 So we actually get a useful result out of this.  It's not just for the
 purpose of settling an argument.

 Either of us can concede defeat at any point, and stop the experiment.
  At that point if the neutral third party wishes to pay to continue
 the job, s/he would be responsible for the additional costs.

 Shouldn't be too expensive.  If you concede defeat after 5 days, then
 your CPU-time costs are $54 (assuming Extra Large High Memory
 Instance).  Including 4 terabytes of EBS (which should be enough if
 you compress on the fly) for 5 days should be less than $100.

 I'm tempted to do it even if you don't take the bet.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread Anthony
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:22 AM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote:
 They are XML dumps. Why did you say they are semi-useless?

Because they are XML dumps, mainly.  The data in the WMF database is
compressed in a format which can be easily randomly accessed.  The
dump procedure is to uncompress it, convert it to XML. and then
recompress it, in a format which can't be easily randomly accessed.
The import procedure is to uncompress the dump, convert it from XML,
and then recompress it in a format which is easily randomly accessed.

There are some hacks to get around this with the bz2 version of the
dump, but this is far less efficient than the format which the data
already is in before the dump process takes place.

 I'm not sure if all the MediaWiki revision table parameters are available in
 the XML dumps, but most of them are.

The main problem is that they are compressed in a format which is
terrible for actual use.  The missing information (mostly, indexes),
is a secondary problem, however.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread Anthony
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:
 We could also consider the possibility of allowing users to use OpenID or 
 OAuth or whatever the web identity mechanism du jour is to allow loose 
 affiliation of usernames between MediaWiki installs. That way you can 
 establish the link between identities across wikis (of course, if you don't 
 want to, you don't have to).

Also, there's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:User_committed_identity

But most people don't seem to care about these things.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread Tom Morris
On Thursday, 17 May 2012 at 13:34, Anthony wrote:
 On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org 
 (mailto:t...@tommorris.org) wrote:
  We could also consider the possibility of allowing users to use OpenID or 
  OAuth or whatever the web identity mechanism du jour is to allow loose 
  affiliation of usernames between MediaWiki installs. That way you can 
  establish the link between identities across wikis (of course, if you don't 
  want to, you don't have to).
 
 
 Also, there's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:User_committed_identity
 
 But most people don't seem to care about these things.

Sure, the use cases of Committed Identities are slightly different. 

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 17 May 2012 13:32, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
 Because they are XML dumps, mainly.  The data in the WMF database is
 compressed in a format which can be easily randomly accessed.

It's a dump. It's not supposed to be randomly accessed. We're talking
about archives, not mirrors.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread Neil Harris

On 17/05/12 12:49, Anthony wrote:

Please have someone at WMF coordinate this so that there aren't
multiple requests made.  In my opinion, it should preferably be made
by a WMF employee.

Fill out the form at
https://aws-portal.amazon.com/gp/aws/html-forms-controller/aws-dataset-inquiry

Tell them you want to create a public data set which is a snapshot of
the English Wikipedia.  We can coordinate any questions, and any
implementation details, on a separate list.



That's a fantastic idea, and would give en: Wikipedia yet another public 
replica for very little effort. I would imagine that if they are willing 
to host enwiki, they may also be be willing to host most, or all, of the 
other projects.


It will also mean that running Wikipedia data-munching experiments on 
EC2 will become much easier.


Neil


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread Kim Bruning
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 07:43:09AM -0400, Anthony wrote:
 
 In fact, I think someone at WMF should contact Amazon and see if
 they'll let us conduct the experiment for free, in exchange for us
 creating the dump for them to host as a public data set
 (http://aws.amazon.com/publicdatasets/).


That sounds like an excellent plan. At the same time, it might be useful to get 
Archive Team
involved. 

* They have warm bodies. (always useful, one can never have enough volunteers ;)
* They have experience with very large datasets
* They'd be very happy to help (it's their mission)
* Some of them may be able to provide Sufficient Storage(tm) and server 
capacity. Saves us
the Amazon AWS bill. 
* We might set a precedent where others might provide their data to AT directly 
too.

AT's mission dovetails nicely with ours. We provide the sum of all human 
knowledge to people.
AT ensures that the sum of all human knowledge is not subtracted from.


sincerely,
Kim Bruning

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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: IRC office hours with Kul and Amit, about Wikipedia Zero and other mobile work

2012-05-17 Thread Steven Walling
Just a reminder that this is happenening this morning.
-- Forwarded message --
From: Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org
Date: May 3, 2012 4:01 PM
Subject: IRC office hours with Kul and Amit, about Wikipedia Zero and other
mobile work
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Hi everyone,

On May 17th at 16:00 UTC, Kul Wadhwa (Head of Mobile and Business
Development) and Amit Kapoor (Senior Manager, Mobile Partnerships) will be
in #wikimedia-office to talk about Wikipedia Zero,[1] as well as the other
initiatives underway on the mobile team.

As usual, details and time conversion links are on Meta.[2] We have
scheduled this at a time that we hope works for Wikimedians from Africa and
Asia, since it was Abbasjnr's idea to have a mobile office hours. (Thanks
Abbas!)

1. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Zero
2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours

-- 
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https://wikimediafoundation.org/
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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing 2 Community Fellows

2012-05-17 Thread Siko Bouterse
It is my great pleasure to introduce two new Community Fellows in the
Wikimedia Fellows Program: Tanvir Rahman and Steven Zhang.

Tanvir Rahman is a Wikimedian who serves the movement locally and
globally, both on- and off-wiki. Tanvir has been an active editor of
Bengali Wikipedia since 2009, he holds administrator rights on
multiple projects and he was elected a steward in 2011. He also
volunteers on the Small Wiki Monitoring Team, the Countervandalism
Network, as an OTRS agent, and is a translator for translatewiki.
Tanvir helped found Wikimedia Bangladesh and organizes local outreach
activities to raise awareness for Wikimedia and bring new editors to
the projects.

In his fellowship project, Tanvir will be experimenting with on-wiki
strategies to encourage and grow the editing community on small
language versions of Wikipedia, with specific focus on the Bengali
Wikipedia. Smaller projects have different needs and challenges than
the large language communities and may require different approaches to
engage with editors. By focusing on a community like Bengali
Wikipedia, which has about 50 active editors per month and sees 10 new
editors per month, Tanvir hopes to learn more about the basic editing
infrastructure needed to encourage new editors in new or small-scale
projects.

Steven Zhang is a Wikipedian with a passion for resolving on-wiki
disputes and helping others do the same. He has been contributing to
the English Wikipedia since 2008 and has been particularly active in
dispute resolution forums, including the Wikipedia Mediation Cabal.
Steven is studying a Certificate IV in Mediation at Open Colleges, and
over the past year he has made it his mission as a volunteer to
recruit more editors to join dispute resolution efforts. In 2011, he
helped create the dispute resolution notice board, an entry point for
mediating disputes on the English Wikipedia. Steven has noted that
there aren’t enough active participants to resolve all of the disputes
that arise on Wikipedia each day, and he believes that dispute
resolution processes could be streamlined to make them more accessible
and efficient to all editors who need them.

For his fellowship project, Steven will be analyzing community
feedback and dispute resolution activity in order to build a deeper
understanding of what is effective and what needs improvement in the
current systems. He will also be developing a guide for new editors
who want to get involved in resolving on-wiki disputes.

Steven and Tanvir will be documenting their work on-wiki and on the
Foundation blog. You can learn more about their projects and how to
get involved by visiting:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Fellowships/Fellows

Welcome, Tanvir and Steven!

-- 
Siko Bouterse
Head of Community Fellowships
Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.

sboute...@wikimedia.org

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing 2 Community Fellows

2012-05-17 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Siko Bouterse sboute...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

 It is my great pleasure to introduce two new Community Fellows in the
 Wikimedia Fellows Program: Tanvir Rahman and Steven Zhang.


Congratulations to the both of you, best wishes for your fellowships.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing 2 Community Fellows

2012-05-17 Thread Nurunnaby Chowdhury
wow..congrtz Tanvir..

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Siko Bouterse sboute...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

 It is my great pleasure to introduce two new Community Fellows in the
 Wikimedia Fellows Program: Tanvir Rahman and Steven Zhang.

 Tanvir Rahman is a Wikimedian who serves the movement locally and
 globally, both on- and off-wiki. Tanvir has been an active editor of
 Bengali Wikipedia since 2009, he holds administrator rights on
 multiple projects and he was elected a steward in 2011. He also
 volunteers on the Small Wiki Monitoring Team, the Countervandalism
 Network, as an OTRS agent, and is a translator for translatewiki.
 Tanvir helped found Wikimedia Bangladesh and organizes local outreach
 activities to raise awareness for Wikimedia and bring new editors to
 the projects.

 In his fellowship project, Tanvir will be experimenting with on-wiki
 strategies to encourage and grow the editing community on small
 language versions of Wikipedia, with specific focus on the Bengali
 Wikipedia. Smaller projects have different needs and challenges than
 the large language communities and may require different approaches to
 engage with editors. By focusing on a community like Bengali
 Wikipedia, which has about 50 active editors per month and sees 10 new
 editors per month, Tanvir hopes to learn more about the basic editing
 infrastructure needed to encourage new editors in new or small-scale
 projects.

 Steven Zhang is a Wikipedian with a passion for resolving on-wiki
 disputes and helping others do the same. He has been contributing to
 the English Wikipedia since 2008 and has been particularly active in
 dispute resolution forums, including the Wikipedia Mediation Cabal.
 Steven is studying a Certificate IV in Mediation at Open Colleges, and
 over the past year he has made it his mission as a volunteer to
 recruit more editors to join dispute resolution efforts. In 2011, he
 helped create the dispute resolution notice board, an entry point for
 mediating disputes on the English Wikipedia. Steven has noted that
 there aren’t enough active participants to resolve all of the disputes
 that arise on Wikipedia each day, and he believes that dispute
 resolution processes could be streamlined to make them more accessible
 and efficient to all editors who need them.

 For his fellowship project, Steven will be analyzing community
 feedback and dispute resolution activity in order to build a deeper
 understanding of what is effective and what needs improvement in the
 current systems. He will also be developing a guide for new editors
 who want to get involved in resolving on-wiki disputes.

 Steven and Tanvir will be documenting their work on-wiki and on the
 Foundation blog. You can learn more about their projects and how to
 get involved by visiting:
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Fellowships/Fellows

 Welcome, Tanvir and Steven!

 --
 Siko Bouterse
 Head of Community Fellowships
 Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.

 sboute...@wikimedia.org

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing 2 CommunityFellows

2012-05-17 Thread Ms. Anne Frazer
Congratulations to Tanvir Rahman and Steven Zhang on the announcement of 
them being award the honour of 'Community Fellow'.


In particular we wish to pass on our congratulations to Wikimedia Australia 
Member, Steve Zhang, for receiving the award and wish him every success with 
what promises to be an interesting and worthwhile project. Well done Steve 
from all of us at WMAU.


Anne Frazer
Secretary
Wikimedia Australia


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To: wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing 2 
CommunityFellows



It is my great pleasure to introduce two new Community Fellows in the
Wikimedia Fellows Program: Tanvir Rahman and Steven Zhang.

Tanvir Rahman is a Wikimedian who serves the movement locally and
globally, both on- and off-wiki. Tanvir has been an active editor of
Bengali Wikipedia since 2009, he holds administrator rights on
multiple projects and he was elected a steward in 2011. He also
volunteers on the Small Wiki Monitoring Team, the Countervandalism
Network, as an OTRS agent, and is a translator for translatewiki.
Tanvir helped found Wikimedia Bangladesh and organizes local outreach
activities to raise awareness for Wikimedia and bring new editors to
the projects.

In his fellowship project, Tanvir will be experimenting with on-wiki
strategies to encourage and grow the editing community on small
language versions of Wikipedia, with specific focus on the Bengali
Wikipedia. Smaller projects have different needs and challenges than
the large language communities and may require different approaches to
engage with editors. By focusing on a community like Bengali
Wikipedia, which has about 50 active editors per month and sees 10 new
editors per month, Tanvir hopes to learn more about the basic editing
infrastructure needed to encourage new editors in new or small-scale
projects.

Steven Zhang is a Wikipedian with a passion for resolving on-wiki
disputes and helping others do the same. He has been contributing to
the English Wikipedia since 2008 and has been particularly active in
dispute resolution forums, including the Wikipedia Mediation Cabal.
Steven is studying a Certificate IV in Mediation at Open Colleges, and
over the past year he has made it his mission as a volunteer to
recruit more editors to join dispute resolution efforts. In 2011, he
helped create the dispute resolution notice board, an entry point for
mediating disputes on the English Wikipedia. Steven has noted that
there aren’t enough active participants to resolve all of the disputes
that arise on Wikipedia each day, and he believes that dispute
resolution processes could be streamlined to make them more accessible
and efficient to all editors who need them.

For his fellowship project, Steven will be analyzing community
feedback and dispute resolution activity in order to build a deeper
understanding of what is effective and what needs improvement in the
current systems. He will also be developing a guide for new editors
who want to get involved in resolving on-wiki disputes.

Steven and Tanvir will be documenting their work on-wiki and on the
Foundation blog. You can learn more about their projects and how to
get involved by visiting:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Fellowships/Fellows

Welcome, Tanvir and Steven!

--
Siko Bouterse
Head of Community Fellowships
Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.

sboute...@wikimedia.org

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[Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Howie Fung
Everyone,

It’s my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San
Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporting the Visual
Editor team. James started his work as a remote contractor yesterday
and will be joining us in San Francisco later this year as a staff
member.

James will help prioritize the short term and long term work log on
the Visual Editor, conduct user research, and incorporate community
feedback into the development process.

As many of you know, James is a long-time Wikimedian. He started
contributing to English Wikipedia in October 2002, and was a founding
member of their Arbitration Committee. He was also the movement’s
volunteer Chief Research Officer, helping shepherd the predecessor of
what is today the Research Committee, has for years been the
“gopher-in-chief” at the Wikimania community conferences, and helped
found Wikimedia UK in 2005.

James joins us following a successful career in the UK government,
where he implemented key open access and open government initiatives.
Most recently, he was the acting Head of data.gov.uk, and then the
Digital Engagement Policy Lead in the Government Digital Service, both
at the Cabinet Office. James holds a Masters of Engineering in
Computer Science from the University of Warwick.

Beyond technology, James has strong interests in international
politics, physics, communications, economics, law, the constitutional
history of Britain, and education.

Please join me in welcoming James!

Howie

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Chris Keating

 It’s my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San
 Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporting the Visual
 Editor team. James started his work as a remote contractor yesterday
 and will be joining us in San Francisco later this year as a staff
 member.


Congratulations, James!

I hope this means the Visual Editor will use the correct spellings of words
like colour, axe, and aluminium, and will offer to make people tea. :-)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Katie Chan


Please join me in welcoming James!



Well, in our case it's more like waving good bye, but certainly 
congratulations!


KTC

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Thomas Morton
On 17 May 2012 18:19, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  It’s my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San
  Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporting the Visual
  Editor team. James started his work as a remote contractor yesterday
  and will be joining us in San Francisco later this year as a staff
  member.


 Congratulations, James!

 I hope this means the Visual Editor will use the correct spellings of words
 like colour, axe, and aluminium, and will offer to make people tea. :-)


Oh gods no, don't suggest it makes tea! Shades of Douglas Adams will come
to haunt us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrimatic_drinks_dispenser#Nutrimatic_Drinks_Dispenser

And probably crash the servers.

Congrats James :)

Tom
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Tom Morris
On 17 May 2012 17:52, Howie Fung hf...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 Everyone,

 It’s my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San
 Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporting the Visual
 Editor team. James started his work as a remote contractor yesterday
 and will be joining us in San Francisco later this year as a staff
 member.

 James will help prioritize the short term and long term work log on
 the Visual Editor, conduct user research, and incorporate community
 feedback into the development process.

 As many of you know, James is a long-time Wikimedian. He started
 contributing to English Wikipedia in October 2002, and was a founding
 member of their Arbitration Committee. He was also the movement’s
 volunteer Chief Research Officer, helping shepherd the predecessor of
 what is today the Research Committee, has for years been the
 “gopher-in-chief” at the Wikimania community conferences, and helped
 found Wikimedia UK in 2005.


You forgot one biggie: he has run the London Wikipedia meetup which
first started in June 2004 has now met 57 times.

Hong Kong has met more often, but London is, I believe, the Original
and Best (in all 57 varieties).*

* The Heinz joke blatantly stolen from Jon Davies at Wikimedia UK.

Anyway, James F. knows more about Wikipedia than most people on the
planet. Good hire.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Kat Walsh
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Thomas Morton
morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote:
 On 17 May 2012 18:19, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  It’s my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San
  Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporting the Visual
  Editor team. James started his work as a remote contractor yesterday
  and will be joining us in San Francisco later this year as a staff
  member.


 Congratulations, James!

 I hope this means the Visual Editor will use the correct spellings of words
 like colour, axe, and aluminium, and will offer to make people tea. :-)


 Oh gods no, don't suggest it makes tea! Shades of Douglas Adams will come
 to haunt us.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrimatic_drinks_dispenser#Nutrimatic_Drinks_Dispenser

I should have figured someone would beat me to the Hitchhiker's Guide joke...

-Kat

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Erik Zachte
Congrats James! I 'm looking forward to most tongue in cheek design
documents I have ever seen. :-)

Erik


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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical
Product Analyst

Everyone,

It's my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San
Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporting the Visual
Editor team. James started his work as a remote contractor yesterday and
will be joining us in San Francisco later this year as a staff member.

James will help prioritize the short term and long term work log on the
Visual Editor, conduct user research, and incorporate community feedback
into the development process.

As many of you know, James is a long-time Wikimedian. He started
contributing to English Wikipedia in October 2002, and was a founding member
of their Arbitration Committee. He was also the movement's volunteer Chief
Research Officer, helping shepherd the predecessor of what is today the
Research Committee, has for years been the gopher-in-chief at the
Wikimania community conferences, and helped found Wikimedia UK in 2005.

James joins us following a successful career in the UK government, where he
implemented key open access and open government initiatives.
Most recently, he was the acting Head of data.gov.uk, and then the Digital
Engagement Policy Lead in the Government Digital Service, both at the
Cabinet Office. James holds a Masters of Engineering in Computer Science
from the University of Warwick.

Beyond technology, James has strong interests in international politics,
physics, communications, economics, law, the constitutional history of
Britain, and education.

Please join me in welcoming James!

Howie

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Thomas Morton
On 17 May 2012 18:25, Kat Walsh k...@mindspillage.org wrote:

 On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Thomas Morton
 morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote:
  On 17 May 2012 18:19, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
   It’s my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San
   Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporting the Visual
   Editor team. James started his work as a remote contractor yesterday
   and will be joining us in San Francisco later this year as a staff
   member.
 
 
  Congratulations, James!
 
  I hope this means the Visual Editor will use the correct spellings of
 words
  like colour, axe, and aluminium, and will offer to make people tea. :-)
 
 
  Oh gods no, don't suggest it makes tea! Shades of Douglas Adams will come
  to haunt us.
 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrimatic_drinks_dispenser#Nutrimatic_Drinks_Dispenser

 I should have figured someone would beat me to the Hitchhiker's Guide
 joke...


Your version was better :)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread WereSpielChequers
 Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 18:06:48 +0100
 From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
 To: Wikimedia developers wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org
 Cc: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] [Announcement] James Forrester
joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst
 Message-ID:
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

 James, you're emigrating? I never thought I'd see that...

 Congratulations, traitor!

 On 17 May 2012 17:52, Howie Fung hf...@wikimedia.org wrote:
  Everyone,
 
  It?s my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San
  Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporting the Visual
  Editor team. James started his work as a remote contractor yesterday
  and will be joining us in San Francisco later this year as a staff
  member.
 
  James will help prioritize the short term and long term work log on
  the Visual Editor, conduct user research, and incorporate community
  feedback into the development process.
 
  As many of you know, James is a long-time Wikimedian. He started
  contributing to English Wikipedia in October 2002, and was a founding
  member of their Arbitration Committee. He was also the movement?s
  volunteer Chief Research Officer, helping shepherd the predecessor of
  what is today the Research Committee, has for years been the
  ?gopher-in-chief? at the Wikimania community conferences, and helped
  found Wikimedia UK in 2005.
 
  James joins us following a successful career in the UK government,
  where he implemented key open access and open government initiatives.
  Most recently, he was the acting Head of data.gov.uk, and then the
  Digital Engagement Policy Lead in the Government Digital Service, both
  at the Cabinet Office. James holds a Masters of Engineering in
  Computer Science from the University of Warwick.
 
  Beyond technology, James has strong interests in international
  politics, physics, communications, economics, law, the constitutional
  history of Britain, and education.
 
  Please join me in welcoming James!
 
  Howie
 
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 Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 10:14:05 -0700
 From: Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com
 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] [Announcement] James Forrester
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 On 5/17/2012 10:06 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
  James, you're emigrating? I never thought I'd see that...
 
  Congratulations, traitor!
 Just wait until he starts speaking like an uhmurricun, I mean American.

 --Michael Snow

 End of Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 98, Issue 37
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I was wondering why his hair was getting longer. Congratulations to our
newest surfer dude!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Brad Patrick
+1 Congratulations, James!

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Guillaume Paumier
gpaum...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

 On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:
 
  Anyway, James F. knows more about Wikipedia than most people on the
  planet. Good hire.

 This^

 One of the best hire the Foundation could ever make.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread James Alexander
Coffee? ... but not tea?

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Richard Symonds 
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 I'm still working my way through the brownies James left at our office only
 a few short days ago...

 James, you're always welcome in Dev House. There'll always be a seat
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 On 17 May 2012 20:25, Brad Patrick bradp@gmail.com wrote:

  +1 Congratulations, James!
 
  On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Guillaume Paumier
  gpaum...@wikimedia.orgwrote:
 
   On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:
   
Anyway, James F. knows more about Wikipedia than most people on the
planet. Good hire.
  
   This^
  
   One of the best hire the Foundation could ever make.
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Richard Symonds
No, tea is for staff and board members only.

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On 17 May 2012 21:02, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Coffee? ... but not tea?

 On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Richard Symonds 
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

  I'm still working my way through the brownies James left at our office
 only
  a few short days ago...
 
  James, you're always welcome in Dev House. There'll always be a seat
  available, and there'll always be a coffee.
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  Wikimedia UK
  0207 065 0992
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  http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Email_disclaimer
  Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk


 
  On 17 May 2012 20:25, Brad Patrick bradp@gmail.com wrote:
 
   +1 Congratulations, James!
  
   On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Guillaume Paumier
   gpaum...@wikimedia.orgwrote:
  
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org
 wrote:

 Anyway, James F. knows more about Wikipedia than most people on the
 planet. Good hire.
   
This^
   
One of the best hire the Foundation could ever make.
   
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Anirudh Bhati
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 10:52 PM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:

 Anyway, James F. knows more about Wikipedia than most people on the
 planet. Good hire.


+1

Great choice! :)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Kim Bruning
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 09:52:23AM -0700, Howie Fung wrote:
 Everyone,
 
 It?s my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San
 Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporting the Visual
 Editor team.

Took your time!

Nice to see James at WMF, where he can get into the proper kinds of trouble. :-)


sincerely,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Michael Peel

On 17 May 2012, at 21:33, Kim Bruning wrote:

 On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 01:02:30PM -0700, James Alexander wrote:
 Coffee? ... but not tea?
 
 
 Despite the stereotype, brits tend to drink more coffee than tea. ;-)

That depends on the brit - I know my average ratio is about 5 cups of tea to 1 
coffee. ;-)

Congratulations to James on his appointment - and darn you, WMF, for quietly 
and quickly hiring him without letting WMUK get our hands on him first!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Erik Moeller
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Kat Walsh k...@mindspillage.org wrote:
 Also, I am having serious trouble wrapping my mind around James living
 outside the UK.

We've confirmed through experimental visits to San Francisco that
James can in fact exist outside the UK in a stable state. But let's
face it -- we'll either see some significant changes in James'
Britishness, or we'll see Californians increasingly pick up some new
and strange habits. I'm betting it's the latter.

On a more personal note, it's kind of funny - James and I probably
most frequently touched base in person at Wikimania, so whenever he
visits I get flashbacks of Wikimanias past. With James joining, and
some other recent additions, it's really gratifying to see WMF be more
and more a reflection of who we are.

We're very lucky that the timing has aligned for James to join us for
the Visual Editor project; I highly doubt we would have been able to
find the combination of skills (deep community expertise, ability to
ship product, technical depth) otherwise. He's an old colleague and
friend, and I look forward to working more closely with him. :-)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread James Alexander
Here here!

It's a pile on at this point but I'm not sure I care. I honestly think this
is one of the best hires the foundation has ever made and am so incredibly
excited that I can't explain it properly. There have always been 2-3
Wikipedians who I would have classified as I'd give up my right foot to
have them work with us, James would even be in the category of I'd give
up my own job to have him working here. Having his unique combination of
skills, experience, talent and tact is an enormous boon for us and having
him here will help us not just in the visual editor group but across the
organization.

On a personal level I'm excited to have someone else local to debate
politics, law and economics with even (I already have a taste of how fun
that will be from his visits) even if he is at an advantage because he's
far less likely to ever get drunk while doing it.

James

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Kat Walsh k...@mindspillage.org wrote:
  Also, I am having serious trouble wrapping my mind around James living
  outside the UK.

 We've confirmed through experimental visits to San Francisco that
 James can in fact exist outside the UK in a stable state. But let's
 face it -- we'll either see some significant changes in James'
 Britishness, or we'll see Californians increasingly pick up some new
 and strange habits. I'm betting it's the latter.

 On a more personal note, it's kind of funny - James and I probably
 most frequently touched base in person at Wikimania, so whenever he
 visits I get flashbacks of Wikimanias past. With James joining, and
 some other recent additions, it's really gratifying to see WMF be more
 and more a reflection of who we are.

 We're very lucky that the timing has aligned for James to join us for
 the Visual Editor project; I highly doubt we would have been able to
 find the combination of skills (deep community expertise, ability to
 ship product, technical depth) otherwise. He's an old colleague and
 friend, and I look forward to working more closely with him. :-)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Platonides
I don't think welcome is the appropiate word to say him :)
SO I sum myself to the other people on this thread saying instead:
Congratulations!


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