Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:06 AM, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: If your willing to foot the bill for the new hardware Ill gladly prove my point given the millions of dollars that wikipedia has, it should not be a problem to provide such resources for a good cause like that. -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )
I'd like to point out that the increasingly technical nature of this conversation probably belongs either on wikitech-l, or off-list, and that the strident nature of the comments is fast approaching inappropriate. Alex Wikimedia-l list administrator 2012/5/17 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:52 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:22 AM, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: Anthony the process is linear, you have a php inserting X number of rows per Y time frame. Amazing. I need to switch all my databases to MySQL. It can insert X rows per Y time frame, regardless of whether the database is 20 gigabytes or 20 terabytes in size, regardless of whether the average row is 3K or 1.5K, regardless of whether I'm using a thumb drive or a RAID array or a cluster of servers, etc. When refering to X over Y time, its an average of a of say 1000 revisions per 1 minute, any X over Y period must be considered with averages in mind, or getting a count wouldnt be possible. The *average* en.wikipedia revision is more than twice the size of the *average* simple.wikipedia revision. The *average* performance of a 20 gig database is faster than the *average* performance of a 20 terabyte database. The *average* performance of your laptop's thumb drive is different from the *average* performance of a(n array of) drive(s) which can handle 20 terabytes of data. If you setup your sever/hardware correctly it will compress the text information during insertion into the database Is this how you set up your simple.wikipedia test? How long does it take import the data if you're using the same compression mechanism as WMF (which, you didn't answer, but I assume is concatenation and compression). How exactly does this work during insertion anyway? Does it intelligently group sets of revisions together to avoid decompressing and recompressing the same revision several times? I suppose it's possible, but that would introduce quite a lot of complication into the import script, slowing things down dramatically. What about the answers to my other questions? If you want to put your money where your mouth is, import en.wikipedia. It'll only take 5 days, right? If I actually had a server or the disc space to do it I would, just to prove your smartass comments as stupid as they actually are. However given my current resource limitations (fairly crappy internet connection, older laptops, and lack of HDD) I tried to select something that could give reliable benchmarks. If your willing to foot the bill for the new hardware Ill gladly prove my point What you seem to be saying is that you're *not* putting your money where your mouth is. Anyway, if you want, I'll make a deal with you. A neutral third party rents the hardware at Amazon Web Services (AWS). We import simple.wikipedia full history (concatenating and compressing during import). We take the ratio of revisions in simple.wikipedia to the ratio of revisions in en.wikipedia. We import en.wikipedia full history (concatenating and compressing during import). If the ratio of time it takes to import en.wikipedia vs simple.wikipedia is greater than or equal to twice the ratio of revisions, then you reimburse the third party. If the ratio of import time is less than twice the ratio of revisions (you claim it is linear, therefore it'll be the same ratio), then I reimburse the third party. Either way, we save the new dump, with the processing already done, and send it to archive.org (and WMF if they're willing to host it). So we actually get a useful result out of this. It's not just for the purpose of settling an argument. Either of us can concede defeat at any point, and stop the experiment. At that point if the neutral third party wishes to pay to continue the job, s/he would be responsible for the additional costs. Shouldn't be too expensive. If you concede defeat after 5 days, then your CPU-time costs are $54 (assuming Extra Large High Memory Instance). Including 4 terabytes of EBS (which should be enough if you compress on the fly) for 5 days should be less than $100. I'm tempted to do it even if you don't take the bet. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:22 AM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: They are XML dumps. Why did you say they are semi-useless? Because they are XML dumps, mainly. The data in the WMF database is compressed in a format which can be easily randomly accessed. The dump procedure is to uncompress it, convert it to XML. and then recompress it, in a format which can't be easily randomly accessed. The import procedure is to uncompress the dump, convert it from XML, and then recompress it in a format which is easily randomly accessed. There are some hacks to get around this with the bz2 version of the dump, but this is far less efficient than the format which the data already is in before the dump process takes place. I'm not sure if all the MediaWiki revision table parameters are available in the XML dumps, but most of them are. The main problem is that they are compressed in a format which is terrible for actual use. The missing information (mostly, indexes), is a secondary problem, however. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: We could also consider the possibility of allowing users to use OpenID or OAuth or whatever the web identity mechanism du jour is to allow loose affiliation of usernames between MediaWiki installs. That way you can establish the link between identities across wikis (of course, if you don't want to, you don't have to). Also, there's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:User_committed_identity But most people don't seem to care about these things. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )
On Thursday, 17 May 2012 at 13:34, Anthony wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org (mailto:t...@tommorris.org) wrote: We could also consider the possibility of allowing users to use OpenID or OAuth or whatever the web identity mechanism du jour is to allow loose affiliation of usernames between MediaWiki installs. That way you can establish the link between identities across wikis (of course, if you don't want to, you don't have to). Also, there's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:User_committed_identity But most people don't seem to care about these things. Sure, the use cases of Committed Identities are slightly different. -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )
On 17 May 2012 13:32, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Because they are XML dumps, mainly. The data in the WMF database is compressed in a format which can be easily randomly accessed. It's a dump. It's not supposed to be randomly accessed. We're talking about archives, not mirrors. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )
On 17/05/12 12:49, Anthony wrote: Please have someone at WMF coordinate this so that there aren't multiple requests made. In my opinion, it should preferably be made by a WMF employee. Fill out the form at https://aws-portal.amazon.com/gp/aws/html-forms-controller/aws-dataset-inquiry Tell them you want to create a public data set which is a snapshot of the English Wikipedia. We can coordinate any questions, and any implementation details, on a separate list. That's a fantastic idea, and would give en: Wikipedia yet another public replica for very little effort. I would imagine that if they are willing to host enwiki, they may also be be willing to host most, or all, of the other projects. It will also mean that running Wikipedia data-munching experiments on EC2 will become much easier. Neil ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 07:43:09AM -0400, Anthony wrote: In fact, I think someone at WMF should contact Amazon and see if they'll let us conduct the experiment for free, in exchange for us creating the dump for them to host as a public data set (http://aws.amazon.com/publicdatasets/). That sounds like an excellent plan. At the same time, it might be useful to get Archive Team involved. * They have warm bodies. (always useful, one can never have enough volunteers ;) * They have experience with very large datasets * They'd be very happy to help (it's their mission) * Some of them may be able to provide Sufficient Storage(tm) and server capacity. Saves us the Amazon AWS bill. * We might set a precedent where others might provide their data to AT directly too. AT's mission dovetails nicely with ours. We provide the sum of all human knowledge to people. AT ensures that the sum of all human knowledge is not subtracted from. sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: IRC office hours with Kul and Amit, about Wikipedia Zero and other mobile work
Just a reminder that this is happenening this morning. -- Forwarded message -- From: Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org Date: May 3, 2012 4:01 PM Subject: IRC office hours with Kul and Amit, about Wikipedia Zero and other mobile work To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Hi everyone, On May 17th at 16:00 UTC, Kul Wadhwa (Head of Mobile and Business Development) and Amit Kapoor (Senior Manager, Mobile Partnerships) will be in #wikimedia-office to talk about Wikipedia Zero,[1] as well as the other initiatives underway on the mobile team. As usual, details and time conversion links are on Meta.[2] We have scheduled this at a time that we hope works for Wikimedians from Africa and Asia, since it was Abbasjnr's idea to have a mobile office hours. (Thanks Abbas!) 1. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Zero 2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours -- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing 2 Community Fellows
It is my great pleasure to introduce two new Community Fellows in the Wikimedia Fellows Program: Tanvir Rahman and Steven Zhang. Tanvir Rahman is a Wikimedian who serves the movement locally and globally, both on- and off-wiki. Tanvir has been an active editor of Bengali Wikipedia since 2009, he holds administrator rights on multiple projects and he was elected a steward in 2011. He also volunteers on the Small Wiki Monitoring Team, the Countervandalism Network, as an OTRS agent, and is a translator for translatewiki. Tanvir helped found Wikimedia Bangladesh and organizes local outreach activities to raise awareness for Wikimedia and bring new editors to the projects. In his fellowship project, Tanvir will be experimenting with on-wiki strategies to encourage and grow the editing community on small language versions of Wikipedia, with specific focus on the Bengali Wikipedia. Smaller projects have different needs and challenges than the large language communities and may require different approaches to engage with editors. By focusing on a community like Bengali Wikipedia, which has about 50 active editors per month and sees 10 new editors per month, Tanvir hopes to learn more about the basic editing infrastructure needed to encourage new editors in new or small-scale projects. Steven Zhang is a Wikipedian with a passion for resolving on-wiki disputes and helping others do the same. He has been contributing to the English Wikipedia since 2008 and has been particularly active in dispute resolution forums, including the Wikipedia Mediation Cabal. Steven is studying a Certificate IV in Mediation at Open Colleges, and over the past year he has made it his mission as a volunteer to recruit more editors to join dispute resolution efforts. In 2011, he helped create the dispute resolution notice board, an entry point for mediating disputes on the English Wikipedia. Steven has noted that there aren’t enough active participants to resolve all of the disputes that arise on Wikipedia each day, and he believes that dispute resolution processes could be streamlined to make them more accessible and efficient to all editors who need them. For his fellowship project, Steven will be analyzing community feedback and dispute resolution activity in order to build a deeper understanding of what is effective and what needs improvement in the current systems. He will also be developing a guide for new editors who want to get involved in resolving on-wiki disputes. Steven and Tanvir will be documenting their work on-wiki and on the Foundation blog. You can learn more about their projects and how to get involved by visiting: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Fellowships/Fellows Welcome, Tanvir and Steven! -- Siko Bouterse Head of Community Fellowships Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. sboute...@wikimedia.org ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing 2 Community Fellows
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Siko Bouterse sboute...@wikimedia.orgwrote: It is my great pleasure to introduce two new Community Fellows in the Wikimedia Fellows Program: Tanvir Rahman and Steven Zhang. Congratulations to the both of you, best wishes for your fellowships. -- ~Keegan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing 2 Community Fellows
wow..congrtz Tanvir.. On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Siko Bouterse sboute...@wikimedia.orgwrote: It is my great pleasure to introduce two new Community Fellows in the Wikimedia Fellows Program: Tanvir Rahman and Steven Zhang. Tanvir Rahman is a Wikimedian who serves the movement locally and globally, both on- and off-wiki. Tanvir has been an active editor of Bengali Wikipedia since 2009, he holds administrator rights on multiple projects and he was elected a steward in 2011. He also volunteers on the Small Wiki Monitoring Team, the Countervandalism Network, as an OTRS agent, and is a translator for translatewiki. Tanvir helped found Wikimedia Bangladesh and organizes local outreach activities to raise awareness for Wikimedia and bring new editors to the projects. In his fellowship project, Tanvir will be experimenting with on-wiki strategies to encourage and grow the editing community on small language versions of Wikipedia, with specific focus on the Bengali Wikipedia. Smaller projects have different needs and challenges than the large language communities and may require different approaches to engage with editors. By focusing on a community like Bengali Wikipedia, which has about 50 active editors per month and sees 10 new editors per month, Tanvir hopes to learn more about the basic editing infrastructure needed to encourage new editors in new or small-scale projects. Steven Zhang is a Wikipedian with a passion for resolving on-wiki disputes and helping others do the same. He has been contributing to the English Wikipedia since 2008 and has been particularly active in dispute resolution forums, including the Wikipedia Mediation Cabal. Steven is studying a Certificate IV in Mediation at Open Colleges, and over the past year he has made it his mission as a volunteer to recruit more editors to join dispute resolution efforts. In 2011, he helped create the dispute resolution notice board, an entry point for mediating disputes on the English Wikipedia. Steven has noted that there aren’t enough active participants to resolve all of the disputes that arise on Wikipedia each day, and he believes that dispute resolution processes could be streamlined to make them more accessible and efficient to all editors who need them. For his fellowship project, Steven will be analyzing community feedback and dispute resolution activity in order to build a deeper understanding of what is effective and what needs improvement in the current systems. He will also be developing a guide for new editors who want to get involved in resolving on-wiki disputes. Steven and Tanvir will be documenting their work on-wiki and on the Foundation blog. You can learn more about their projects and how to get involved by visiting: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Fellowships/Fellows Welcome, Tanvir and Steven! -- Siko Bouterse Head of Community Fellowships Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. sboute...@wikimedia.org ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Best Regards, *Nurunnaby Chowdhury* *User: nhasive* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing 2 CommunityFellows
Congratulations to Tanvir Rahman and Steven Zhang on the announcement of them being award the honour of 'Community Fellow'. In particular we wish to pass on our congratulations to Wikimedia Australia Member, Steve Zhang, for receiving the award and wish him every success with what promises to be an interesting and worthwhile project. Well done Steve from all of us at WMAU. Anne Frazer Secretary Wikimedia Australia - Original Message - From: Siko Bouterse sboute...@wikimedia.org To: wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 1:32 AM Subject: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing 2 CommunityFellows It is my great pleasure to introduce two new Community Fellows in the Wikimedia Fellows Program: Tanvir Rahman and Steven Zhang. Tanvir Rahman is a Wikimedian who serves the movement locally and globally, both on- and off-wiki. Tanvir has been an active editor of Bengali Wikipedia since 2009, he holds administrator rights on multiple projects and he was elected a steward in 2011. He also volunteers on the Small Wiki Monitoring Team, the Countervandalism Network, as an OTRS agent, and is a translator for translatewiki. Tanvir helped found Wikimedia Bangladesh and organizes local outreach activities to raise awareness for Wikimedia and bring new editors to the projects. In his fellowship project, Tanvir will be experimenting with on-wiki strategies to encourage and grow the editing community on small language versions of Wikipedia, with specific focus on the Bengali Wikipedia. Smaller projects have different needs and challenges than the large language communities and may require different approaches to engage with editors. By focusing on a community like Bengali Wikipedia, which has about 50 active editors per month and sees 10 new editors per month, Tanvir hopes to learn more about the basic editing infrastructure needed to encourage new editors in new or small-scale projects. Steven Zhang is a Wikipedian with a passion for resolving on-wiki disputes and helping others do the same. He has been contributing to the English Wikipedia since 2008 and has been particularly active in dispute resolution forums, including the Wikipedia Mediation Cabal. Steven is studying a Certificate IV in Mediation at Open Colleges, and over the past year he has made it his mission as a volunteer to recruit more editors to join dispute resolution efforts. In 2011, he helped create the dispute resolution notice board, an entry point for mediating disputes on the English Wikipedia. Steven has noted that there aren’t enough active participants to resolve all of the disputes that arise on Wikipedia each day, and he believes that dispute resolution processes could be streamlined to make them more accessible and efficient to all editors who need them. For his fellowship project, Steven will be analyzing community feedback and dispute resolution activity in order to build a deeper understanding of what is effective and what needs improvement in the current systems. He will also be developing a guide for new editors who want to get involved in resolving on-wiki disputes. Steven and Tanvir will be documenting their work on-wiki and on the Foundation blog. You can learn more about their projects and how to get involved by visiting: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Fellowships/Fellows Welcome, Tanvir and Steven! -- Siko Bouterse Head of Community Fellowships Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. sboute...@wikimedia.org ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst
Everyone, It’s my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporting the Visual Editor team. James started his work as a remote contractor yesterday and will be joining us in San Francisco later this year as a staff member. James will help prioritize the short term and long term work log on the Visual Editor, conduct user research, and incorporate community feedback into the development process. As many of you know, James is a long-time Wikimedian. He started contributing to English Wikipedia in October 2002, and was a founding member of their Arbitration Committee. He was also the movement’s volunteer Chief Research Officer, helping shepherd the predecessor of what is today the Research Committee, has for years been the “gopher-in-chief” at the Wikimania community conferences, and helped found Wikimedia UK in 2005. James joins us following a successful career in the UK government, where he implemented key open access and open government initiatives. Most recently, he was the acting Head of data.gov.uk, and then the Digital Engagement Policy Lead in the Government Digital Service, both at the Cabinet Office. James holds a Masters of Engineering in Computer Science from the University of Warwick. Beyond technology, James has strong interests in international politics, physics, communications, economics, law, the constitutional history of Britain, and education. Please join me in welcoming James! Howie ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst
It’s my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporting the Visual Editor team. James started his work as a remote contractor yesterday and will be joining us in San Francisco later this year as a staff member. Congratulations, James! I hope this means the Visual Editor will use the correct spellings of words like colour, axe, and aluminium, and will offer to make people tea. :-) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst
Please join me in welcoming James! Well, in our case it's more like waving good bye, but certainly congratulations! KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst
On 17 May 2012 18:19, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: It’s my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporting the Visual Editor team. James started his work as a remote contractor yesterday and will be joining us in San Francisco later this year as a staff member. Congratulations, James! I hope this means the Visual Editor will use the correct spellings of words like colour, axe, and aluminium, and will offer to make people tea. :-) Oh gods no, don't suggest it makes tea! Shades of Douglas Adams will come to haunt us. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrimatic_drinks_dispenser#Nutrimatic_Drinks_Dispenser And probably crash the servers. Congrats James :) Tom ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst
On 17 May 2012 17:52, Howie Fung hf...@wikimedia.org wrote: Everyone, It’s my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporting the Visual Editor team. James started his work as a remote contractor yesterday and will be joining us in San Francisco later this year as a staff member. James will help prioritize the short term and long term work log on the Visual Editor, conduct user research, and incorporate community feedback into the development process. As many of you know, James is a long-time Wikimedian. He started contributing to English Wikipedia in October 2002, and was a founding member of their Arbitration Committee. He was also the movement’s volunteer Chief Research Officer, helping shepherd the predecessor of what is today the Research Committee, has for years been the “gopher-in-chief” at the Wikimania community conferences, and helped found Wikimedia UK in 2005. You forgot one biggie: he has run the London Wikipedia meetup which first started in June 2004 has now met 57 times. Hong Kong has met more often, but London is, I believe, the Original and Best (in all 57 varieties).* * The Heinz joke blatantly stolen from Jon Davies at Wikimedia UK. Anyway, James F. knows more about Wikipedia than most people on the planet. Good hire. -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: On 17 May 2012 18:19, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: It’s my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporting the Visual Editor team. James started his work as a remote contractor yesterday and will be joining us in San Francisco later this year as a staff member. Congratulations, James! I hope this means the Visual Editor will use the correct spellings of words like colour, axe, and aluminium, and will offer to make people tea. :-) Oh gods no, don't suggest it makes tea! Shades of Douglas Adams will come to haunt us. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrimatic_drinks_dispenser#Nutrimatic_Drinks_Dispenser I should have figured someone would beat me to the Hitchhiker's Guide joke... -Kat -- Your donations keep Wikipedia free: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate Web: http://www.mindspillage.org Email: k...@wikimedia.org, k...@mindspillage.org (G)AIM, Freenode, gchat, identi.ca, twitter, various social sites: mindspillage ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst
Congrats James! I 'm looking forward to most tongue in cheek design documents I have ever seen. :-) Erik -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Howie Fung Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:52 PM To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org; Wikimedia developers Subject: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst Everyone, It's my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporting the Visual Editor team. James started his work as a remote contractor yesterday and will be joining us in San Francisco later this year as a staff member. James will help prioritize the short term and long term work log on the Visual Editor, conduct user research, and incorporate community feedback into the development process. As many of you know, James is a long-time Wikimedian. He started contributing to English Wikipedia in October 2002, and was a founding member of their Arbitration Committee. He was also the movement's volunteer Chief Research Officer, helping shepherd the predecessor of what is today the Research Committee, has for years been the gopher-in-chief at the Wikimania community conferences, and helped found Wikimedia UK in 2005. James joins us following a successful career in the UK government, where he implemented key open access and open government initiatives. Most recently, he was the acting Head of data.gov.uk, and then the Digital Engagement Policy Lead in the Government Digital Service, both at the Cabinet Office. James holds a Masters of Engineering in Computer Science from the University of Warwick. Beyond technology, James has strong interests in international politics, physics, communications, economics, law, the constitutional history of Britain, and education. Please join me in welcoming James! Howie ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst
On 17 May 2012 18:25, Kat Walsh k...@mindspillage.org wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: On 17 May 2012 18:19, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: It’s my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporting the Visual Editor team. James started his work as a remote contractor yesterday and will be joining us in San Francisco later this year as a staff member. Congratulations, James! I hope this means the Visual Editor will use the correct spellings of words like colour, axe, and aluminium, and will offer to make people tea. :-) Oh gods no, don't suggest it makes tea! Shades of Douglas Adams will come to haunt us. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrimatic_drinks_dispenser#Nutrimatic_Drinks_Dispenser I should have figured someone would beat me to the Hitchhiker's Guide joke... Your version was better :) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
