[Wikimedia-l] next Wikidata office hours

2012-05-21 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Heya folks, I just wanted to let you know that the next Wikidata office hours will be on Tuesday and Wednesday next week. Denny and I will be around on IRC in #wikimedia-wikidata to answer any question you might have and discuss. I assume there will be a few more questions than usual now that we

[Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread David Gerard
From Rick Falkvinge, an English-language writeup of a Swedish study: http://falkvinge.net/2012/05/21/study-despite-tougher-copyright-monopoly-laws-sharing-remains-pervasive/ http://svt.se/nyheter/fortsatt-fildelning-trots-skarpt-lag (Swedish news report) 61% of 15-25-year-olds in Sweden

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Johan Jönsson
2012/5/21 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: From Rick Falkvinge, an English-language writeup of a Swedish study: http://falkvinge.net/2012/05/21/study-despite-tougher-copyright-monopoly-laws-sharing-remains-pervasive/ http://svt.se/nyheter/fortsatt-fildelning-trots-skarpt-lag (Swedish news

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread geni
On 21 May 2012 13:09, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: From Rick Falkvinge, an English-language writeup of a Swedish study: http://falkvinge.net/2012/05/21/study-despite-tougher-copyright-monopoly-laws-sharing-remains-pervasive/ http://svt.se/nyheter/fortsatt-fildelning-trots-skarpt-lag

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Sarah Stierch
On 5/21/12 9:31 AM, geni wrote: On 21 May 2012 13:09, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: From Rick Falkvinge, an English-language writeup of a Swedish study: http://falkvinge.net/2012/05/21/study-despite-tougher-copyright-monopoly-laws-sharing-remains-pervasive/

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Mike Linksvayer
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 6:31 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 May 2012 13:09, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: So, is the time ripe yet for us to start pushing for a 14-year term, or do we wait a bit? I suggest we start contemplating it, however. The most pirated bit of content at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Richard Symonds
FWIW, I'd like to see things being released more freely internationally, irrespective of copyright. At present, I can either pirate the Colbert Report, or watch it through a proxy using a US netflix account which I pay for using a US bank account. It isn't shown anywhere in the UK. Richard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing 2 Community Fellow

2012-05-21 Thread Siko Bouterse
Hi Florence, I guess I didn't do a very good job addressing these questions in the earlier thread, so I'll try one more time :-) Fellowships are temporary roles, so they are not treated as full time staff positions. They do not receive retirement benefits, and generally the paperwork setup and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing 2 Community Fellow

2012-05-21 Thread Richard Symonds
I must admit to being curious, as do at least two others i've spoken to about this. With no benefits and no pensions, and what seems like hazy employment rights that vary from state to state (not to mention fellows from overseas) and person to person, this does seem a little odd. How much notice

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 May 2012 18:59, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think the right term here is 0 years.  It is also not life + 70.  Perhaps 7 + 7. I suggested 14 as a likely figure because that figure is already in common currency - as it was the term in the UK (Statute of Anne) and in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing 2 Community Fellow

2012-05-21 Thread Florence Devouard
Thank you Siko for answering. That's a mix of curiosity (for the benefits, pensions and so on) and of concern (on the responsibility side of things). Wikimedia France received several legal complaints in the past few years and the frequency is increasing. The inventivity and the boldness of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Samuel Klein
14 years is a fine place to start. Are there any existing campaigns pushing for it? S. On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:22 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 May 2012 18:59, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think the right term here is 0 years.  It is also not life + 70.  

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Mike Dupont
What I really find upsetting is that PBS produces videos that cannot be watched out side of the states, it really upsets me. Also in germany, it is just unbearable, these copyright trolls called GEMA take away all the fun of youtube. mike On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Richard Symonds

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread emijrp
Lol, 14 years term. Good luck. That is a lost battle. I think that the useful approach is to spread the word about free licenses, that allow to use content NOW. 2012/5/21 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com 14 years is a fine place to start. Are there any existing campaigns pushing for it? S.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 May 2012 20:30, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: 14 years is a fine place to start.  Are there any existing campaigns pushing for it?  S. Now that I'm looking, I can't find any campaigns as such! I thought the Pirate Parties asked for 14 years, but I'm wrong: the Swedish party

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Mike Linksvayer
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: FWIW, I'd like to see things being released more freely internationally, irrespective of copyright. At present, I can either pirate the Colbert Report, or watch it through a proxy using a US netflix account

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 May 2012 20:59, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: We need a shorter term *for free licenses*. Right now those licenses piggyback on an unreasonably long-term notion of exclusive authorial control of reuse. People who support free knowledge and free licenses should be among the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Todd Allen
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:42 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 May 2012 20:30, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: 14 years is a fine place to start.  Are there any existing campaigns pushing for it?  S. Now that I'm looking, I can't find any campaigns as such! I thought

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Samuel Klein
I like the cc-licenses list thread you linked, Mike; thank you. I take it that thread didn't continue past December? I agree generally with the points Greg London was making there: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/cc-licenses/2011-December/006472.html For me the central value in choosing a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* David Gerard wrote: So, is the time ripe yet for us to start pushing for a 14-year term, or do we wait a bit? I suggest we start contemplating it, however. You don't say who we are, but in case some people think the Wikimedia Foundation should position itself on copyright matters much beyond

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Johan Jönsson
2012/5/22 Bjoern Hoehrmann derhoe...@gmx.net: You don't say who we are, but in case some people think the Wikimedia Foundation should position itself on copyright matters much beyond which licenses it is using and why, and which problems Wikipedia might be facing due to various aspects of

[Wikimedia-l] Office hours about the new mobile site and other mobile work at the WMF

2012-05-21 Thread Steven Walling
Hi everyone, This Friday the Wikimedia Foundation's mobile team will be hosting an IRC office hours to talk about the new version of the Wikipedia mobile site, along with other upcoming updates to the way readers and contributors experience the projects on mobile devices. This is the first