[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Report to Board: Chinese Internet Research Conference

2012-05-29 Thread Ting Chen
Original-Nachricht Betreff:Report to Board: Chinese Internet Research Conference Datum: Sun, 27 May 2012 18:07:54 +0200 Von:Ting Chen tc...@wikimedia.org An: Board list boar...@lists.wikimedia.org Hello dear all, at Mai 21st and 22nd I attended the 10.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Academics and accessible writing

2012-05-29 Thread David Gerard
On 29 May 2012 05:41, Ms. Anne Frazer fraz...@bigpond.com wrote: However, when I read your words, the essence of your comments is clear in that part of your message is couched in attacking good prose because it is too difficult to read and understand. I remind myself that you don't mean to

[Wikimedia-l] TomTom does a Britannica

2012-05-29 Thread David Gerard
TomTom press release: http://www.tomtom.com/en_gb/licensing/newsletter/201205/didyouknow/ OpenStreetMap volunteer response: http://www.systemed.net/blog/index.php?post=23 Flags TomTom quote-mining. - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TomTom does a Britannica

2012-05-29 Thread Deryck Chan
I was skeptical with parent-like satnavs when they were first introduced back then; I still am skeptical today. What's inadequate about Read map*, pay attention to the road, use brain? Deryck *I'm a big fan of using the automatic route-planning features of map systems like Google Maps or even

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TomTom does a Britannica

2012-05-29 Thread Tom Morris
On 29 May 2012 13:08, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: The difference is that Wikipedia is usable in the real world, whereas OSM, for the most part, is not. Yes, TomTom is dying.  But it's because of Google, not because of OSM. I'd say OSM is beginning to be pretty usable in the real world.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TomTom does a Britannica

2012-05-29 Thread David Gerard
On 29 May 2012 13:08, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: The difference is that Wikipedia is usable in the real world, whereas OSM, for the most part, is not. Yes, TomTom is dying.  But it's because of Google, not because of OSM. I'd actually flag smartphones as the culprit. They're the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TomTom does a Britannica

2012-05-29 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On Tue, 29 May 2012 13:23:25 +0100, Tom Morris wrote: On 29 May 2012 13:08, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: The difference is that Wikipedia is usable in the real world, whereas OSM, for the most part, is not. Yes, TomTom is dying.  But it's because of Google, not because of OSM. I'd

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TomTom does a Britannica

2012-05-29 Thread Richard Symonds
Tom: Is there a way to find out where OSM isn't very accurate/complete? Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Disclaimer viewable at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Email_disclaimer Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk On 29 May 2012 13:29, Yaroslav M. Blanter

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TomTom does a Britannica

2012-05-29 Thread Anthony
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Tom: Is there a way to find out where OSM isn't very accurate/complete? Sure, but they all require comparison to something (a data source, memory, the real world) which is accurate/complete.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TomTom does a Britannica

2012-05-29 Thread Tom Morris
On 29 May 2012 13:38, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Tom: Is there a way to find out where OSM isn't very accurate/complete? Well, there's OSM bugs. Basically, there is a way you can file a bug on the map, sort of like how you might leave a note on a talk page (only

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TomTom does a Britannica

2012-05-29 Thread Anthony
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/5/29 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: The difference is that Wikipedia is usable in the real world, whereas OSM, for the most part, is not. I see it the other way around: OSM, for the most part, IS usable in the real world.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TomTom does a Britannica

2012-05-29 Thread Anthony
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:  I then tried navfree usa. Looking more closely at the directions it did give me, it is having me get off the toll highway at basically every exit and then getting back on it. And the destination is off by 13 blocks (about a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TomTom does a Britannica

2012-05-29 Thread Strainu
2012/5/29 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: I just tried osmand.  I can't even figure out how to put in an address.  I then tried navfree usa. You're limiting yourself to Android, which isn't very fair. Try to get hold of a Garmin device with OSM maps and see if that makes a difference. I suspect it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TomTom does a Britannica

2012-05-29 Thread Anthony
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/5/29 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: I just tried osmand.  I can't even figure out how to put in an address.  I then tried navfree usa. You're limiting yourself to Android, which isn't very fair. Try to get hold of a Garmin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TomTom does a Britannica

2012-05-29 Thread Strainu
2012/5/29 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: ...if you wanna go this way, I wonder if you go to en.wikipedia.org and just use it if you want to plant tomatoes in your garden. I know I wouldn't. I wouldn't use Britannica either.  The context of the article is GPS navigation for automobiles. I'm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TomTom does a Britannica

2012-05-29 Thread Tom Morris
On 29 May 2012 15:28, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: And I don't foresee OSM ever being able to catch up.  Google is very much a moving target.  While OSM is working on catching up on geolocation (address to lat/lon) information, Google is micromapping to the level of detail needed to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] next Wikidata office hours

2012-05-29 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Hey :) just a quick reminder that this is in 45 minutes. Cheers Lydia On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: Heya folks, I just wanted to let you know that the next Wikidata office hours will be on Tuesday and Wednesday next week. Denny and I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Academics and accessible writing

2012-05-29 Thread Ziko van Dijk
2012/5/29 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: No, I think it's incorrect to assume readable is a euphemism for dumbed down. Frankly, many academics are terrible writers. Because most people are terrible writers. Indeed. As Wikipedia is a general reference work I think that readability is part of

[Wikimedia-l] [Re]-Introducing the Participation Support program

2012-05-29 Thread Asaf Bartov
Dear all: Here are two announcements and one request from the Participation Support Program Committee (formerly the Participation Grants Committee) and the WMF regarding the Participation Support Program (formerly the Participation Grants Program). ==A note from the Participation Support Program