Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-15 Thread En Pine
Hi Nathan, For a moment, let's suppose that there is a global policy that all CU checks must be disclosed to the person being checked, with the information disclosed in private email, and only consisting of the date of the check and the user who performed the check. What benefit does this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-15 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
Two points that might help bring people on different sides of the issue closer together. 1. How about notifying people that they have been check-usered 2 months after the fact? By that time I hope all investigations are complete, and is the risk of tipping off the nefarious should be over. 2.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-15 Thread Stephanie Daugherty
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:52 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: Two points that might help bring people on different sides of the issue closer together. 1. How about notifying people that they have been check-usered 2 months after the fact? By that time I hope all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-15 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 June 2012 16:19, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 June 2012 20:36, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: Least surprise is one way to try and get around this problem of not relying on the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-15 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Stephanie Daugherty sdaughe...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:52 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: Two points that might help bring people on different sides of the issue closer together. 1. How about notifying people that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-15 Thread Stephanie Daugherty
Am I correct to summorise here than that CU works because people don't know it doesn't? Almost. It works because people don't know how, don't care how, or don't think they are attracting enough attention to avoid being targeted. ___ Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-15 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 2:22 AM, En Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Nathan, For a moment, let's suppose that there is a global policy that all CU checks must be disclosed to the person being checked, with the information disclosed in private email, and only consisting of the date of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-15 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 14.06.2012 19:31, schrieb geni: On 14 June 2012 18:01, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but this is called editorial judgement No its called censorship. Or at least it will be called censorship by enough people to make any debate not worth the effort. It is called censorship right

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-15 Thread David Gerard
On 15 June 2012 13:15, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: I argued at some time that if there was a strong need for such a filter that there would already services in place that would filter the content or images. So far i have seen some very week approaches using the Google

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-15 Thread Tom Morris
On Friday, 15 June 2012 at 13:21, David Gerard wrote: I don't recall seeing any, but did anyone actually explain why the market had not provided a filtering solution for Wikipedia, if there's actually a demand for one? Market failures do sometimes exist. Also, because as far as I can tell,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-15 Thread James Forrester
On 15 June 2012 04:55, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Supposedly, the data only survives 3 months. If data is being retained much longer than this for investigations that go on for months on the checkuser wiki, that's concerning. We have well-known trolls and repeat vandals who have been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-15 Thread ENWP Pine
Hi Nathan, For a moment, let's suppose that there is a global policy that all CU checks must be disclosed to the person being checked, with the information disclosed in private email, and only consisting of the date of the check and the user who performed the check. What benefit does this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-15 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 1:21 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 June 2012 13:15, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: I argued at some time that if there was a strong need for such a filter that there would already services in place that would filter the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-15 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 9:51 PM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Nathan, For a moment, let's suppose that there is a global policy that all CU checks must be disclosed to the person being checked, with the information disclosed in private email, and only consisting of the date

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Report, May 2012

2012-06-15 Thread Tilman Bayer
Looking into it. Thanks for the notice! On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 5:46 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: ... == Visitors and Guests == Visitors to the WMF office in May 2012  1. Jocelyn Berl (NexGenEdu) Jocelyn was visiting on behalf of hackthefuture.org, not NextGenEdu. I would