Re: [Wikimedia-l] FAQ - Board Resolution on Personal Image Hiding Feature

[stevertigo]

> On 7/16/12 6:57 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
>> What community? Jimbo often declares that en.wiki community should rule
>> Commons, for instance;[1] will an en.wiki community plan be considered
>> enough to impose something on everyone?

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Jimmy Wales  wrote:
> I have not said any such thing, and indeed in the very text you quote I said
> exactly the opposite.
> For clarity, I do not think that the en.wikipedia community should rule
> Commons.

Cunningham's classic criticism of Wikipedia was that it's status as an
encyclopedia would be only temporary and that it eventually would
become just a wiki. Wikipedia has been sucessful in proving him wrong,
but Commons has been making that task much more difficult, as Commons
is, under its overly broad usage, in fact 'just a wiki.' And
Commons' overbroad self-concept directly impacts Wikipedia.

Certainly one of the keys to Wikipedias success is our clear
self-concept of being an encyclopedia, and by exercising what we think
of as encyclopedic judgment. How that encyclopedic judgment gets put
into practice is not always pretty, and this is one case where one
side are promoting a concept of unusable exhibitionism over Wikipedias
WP:PRIME objective.

Regards,
-SC
(resent with copyedits)

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[Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours "The future of e-mail usage in Wikimedia projects" 2012-07-18 16:30 UTC

[Siebrand Mazeland (WMF)]

Hello everyone.

This office hours will be in a little under 11 hours from now.

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) <
smazel...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Date: 2012-07-18
> Time: 16.30 UTC
> Venue: #wikimedia-office
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> You are invited to a Wikimedia Foundation IRC Offfice Hours in Wednesday
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> The Wikimedia Foundation features, product, design and legal teams want to
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> Please mark this date in your calendar if you wish to participate in the
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

[MZMcBride]

Fred Bauder wrote:
> It remains possible, due to the nature of the Russian government and the
> pressures of the opposition on it, that reading between the lines and
> coming to the conclusion they did was justified. What the Russian
> government might consider extremist and necessary to suppress is sui
> generis.

It remains possible for a lot of people to disrupt access to Wikimedia wikis
(government agencies, ISPs, et al.). Tim's point (as I've read it, at least)
has been that disrupting access ourselves is not the right thing to do. When
there's a credible disruption (like the bans in China), working around those
disruptions to further Wikimedia's aim of spreading free educational content
is a worthwhile endeavor. Purposefully disrupting access to Wikimedia wikis
through blackouts is contrary to Wikimedia's primary aim.

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

[Fred Bauder]

It remains possible, due to the nature of the Russian government and the
pressures of the opposition on it, that reading between the lines and
coming to the conclusion they did was justified. What the Russian
government might consider extremist and necessary to suppress is sui
generis.

Fred

> On 14/07/12 01:07, abi yoyo wrote:
>> Greetings to all and thanks for the support of our initiative. I am
>> one of the three ru-wikipedia users, who signed the decision under
>> the poll to blackout ru-wiki. We have a really nasty bill, that is
>> already passed by the Russian parliament. The bill contains a real
>> and an unequivocal clauses, that can lead to an ip-ban of Wikimedia
>> projects in Russia.
>
> Since nobody from the Russian Wikipedia community has stepped up to
> provide the other side to this story to this list's readers, I thought
> I'd better post a couple of quotes.
>
> According to ru.wp Arbcom member DR, the danger to Wikipedia was
> overstated, and the text of the proposed law was misrepresented. Via
> Google Translate:
>
> "You propose a banner to hang out or close WP in protest (at least on
> paper) a logical law against child pornography and extremism. Just out
> of fear that there will be law enforcement practice, which will
> interpret it too broadly. Well, against the practice (if it suddenly
> appears) and it will be necessary to protest. And it is a protest
> against the Criminal Code ... In addition, I have the impression,
> well, if 5% of the votes 'for' even opened a file with the draft law -
> because in the header are two entirely hypothetical examples of
> incorrect application of the law, but more in the whole section 'for'
> there is no argument (in denotes the best rate per nom, and at worst -
> a vote solely on the basis of incorrectly formulated SiteNotice 'Speak
> ... sorry censorship in RuNet'). Well, and, separately, I think that
> this can not be done on the basis of four hour interview."
>
> 
>
>> The organization was really not good. Actually it could not be
>> worse. The main reason for that is extreme lack of time we had to
>> organize. The bill was passed in an utmost haste without even a
>> shadow of public discussion. Actually the community, including
>> myself, got to know of bill hearing only day before its planned
>> time.
>
> According to Levg in his Arbcom application, again via Google
> Translate, "It should be noted that there are no objective reasons for
> such a 'sprint survey' did not exist, to discuss the bill on second
> reading has been known since at least last Friday."
>
> Friday was July 6, the poll was held on July 9.
>
> 
>
> -- Tim Starling
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

[Tim Starling]

On 14/07/12 01:07, abi yoyo wrote:
> Greetings to all and thanks for the support of our initiative. I am
> one of the three ru-wikipedia users, who signed the decision under
> the poll to blackout ru-wiki. We have a really nasty bill, that is
> already passed by the Russian parliament. The bill contains a real
> and an unequivocal clauses, that can lead to an ip-ban of Wikimedia
> projects in Russia. 

Since nobody from the Russian Wikipedia community has stepped up to
provide the other side to this story to this list's readers, I thought
I'd better post a couple of quotes.

According to ru.wp Arbcom member DR, the danger to Wikipedia was
overstated, and the text of the proposed law was misrepresented. Via
Google Translate:

"You propose a banner to hang out or close WP in protest (at least on
paper) a logical law against child pornography and extremism. Just out
of fear that there will be law enforcement practice, which will
interpret it too broadly. Well, against the practice (if it suddenly
appears) and it will be necessary to protest. And it is a protest
against the Criminal Code ... In addition, I have the impression,
well, if 5% of the votes 'for' even opened a file with the draft law -
because in the header are two entirely hypothetical examples of
incorrect application of the law, but more in the whole section 'for'
there is no argument (in denotes the best rate per nom, and at worst -
a vote solely on the basis of incorrectly formulated SiteNotice 'Speak
... sorry censorship in RuNet'). Well, and, separately, I think that
this can not be done on the basis of four hour interview."



> The organization was really not good. Actually it could not be
> worse. The main reason for that is extreme lack of time we had to
> organize. The bill was passed in an utmost haste without even a
> shadow of public discussion. Actually the community, including
> myself, got to know of bill hearing only day before its planned
> time. 

According to Levg in his Arbcom application, again via Google
Translate, "It should be noted that there are no objective reasons for
such a 'sprint survey' did not exist, to discuss the bill on second
reading has been known since at least last Friday."

Friday was July 6, the poll was held on July 9.



-- Tim Starling


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[Wikimedia-l] Geolocalization improvement proposal

[Cristian Consonni]

Hi all,

I have written a proposal for the improvement of the current
geolocalization system used for the geonotice, being the current one
really poor and of no use in some areas. This proposal is based on the
use of the geolocalization capabilities of modern browsers.

Having a more accurate geolocalization system would benefit both
readers, which will be reading only messages interesting for people in
their areas, and the projects by fostering direct participation in
local events.

You can find the proposal here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Geonotice

I know that the feature may be perceived as invasive so I would like
that as many people as possible share their opinion on this and I hope
that we can anyway start a discussion that will lead to an improved
geolocalization system, whichever we found appropriate.

Thanks for your attention,

Cristian

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FAQ - Board Resolution on Personal Image Hiding Feature

[Jimmy Wales]

On 7/16/12 6:57 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
What community? Jimbo often declares that en.wiki community should 
rule Commons, for instance;[1] will an en.wiki community plan be 
considered enough to impose something on everyone?
I have not said any such thing, and indeed in the very text you quote I 
said exactly the opposite.


For clarity, I do not think that the en.wikipedia community should rule 
Commons.


--Jimbo

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