Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

2012-07-22 Thread WereSpielChequers


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 From: Mike  Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
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 John, and others.

 I have finally figured out a big problem with my plan. The articles for
 deletion are not tagged peoperly at all. There are authors who know for a
 fact that articles are mistagged and have no proper copyvio tagging, and
 now they are accusing me of hosting copyvio articles. I see this a problem
 in the wikipedia deletion system, if an editor knows for a fact that an
 articles is in violation of copyright then they should tag it as Such. I
 have written scripts to strip out artilces that are properly tagged. Lets
 sit down and work out a plan for a proper system of sorting out what is not
 notable, and waht is copyrightvio. I want to host the non notable artilces.
 My argument is that giving non-notable bands and actors etc an outlet to be
 hosted will reduce repeated reposting of articles. I have been sorting
 through all these articles, contacting people and many of them are
 thankful, I would be suprized if any of them would repost the deleted
 article, like the Jack Psyco from .au, someone reposted his article many
 many times.
 Please support me in cleaning up the deletion and tagging process, I am
 willing to put some work into this. I can write code as well.
 Some people have asked me not to use the mailing list, but I wanted to
 bring up this up in response to your mail.

 Please see
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mdupont/SpeedyDeletionWikia
 and

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mdupont#Speedy_backup_-_copyvios_and_attack_pages.3F

 thanks
 mike
 On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:00 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi Mike, with all due respect we don't have the volunteers to do what you
will need, and I doubt you would be able to recruit them yourself. Take one
example, if an article clearly qualifies for A7 deletion as not asserting
importance or significance then please don't rely on us to also check it
for copyvio. An article that asserts that a footballer has only played for
minor clubs, or that a band will be the next big thing on the Great Malvern
Grunge scene as soon as they've recruited a drummer will be deleted per A7.
 Yes we need to check that this isn't the result of vandalism, and yes
there are people not notable for their music career who are otherwise
notable as Prime Ministers etc. But if an article clearly qualifies for A7
deletion then we currently have no need to also check it for copyvio. I'm
sure if someone went through the thousands of pages that I've deleted there
would be quite a few  where copyvio could have been added as an additional
deletion reason.

Please reconsider your project. There is so much that can be done on
Wikipedia to rescue articles worth rescuing that it would be a great waste
to see time and energy diverted to unsalvageable articles.

WSC
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

2012-07-22 Thread Mike Dupont
Well I am listening, am open to criticism and willing to put work into
helping,

but as l long as I can continue legally and morally I will.

But I will have to spend more time to review the known copyright violations
and I am going to make some program to watch and flag articles that are
known problems.
The for me, getting deleted articles on my favorite topics make this
worthwhile.

The main issue is not notable, and as long as wikipedia as the policy of
deleting basically everyone from parts of the world, I will have a basis to
continue.

mike

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 10:32 AM, WereSpielChequers 
werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:

 Please reconsider your project. There is so much that can be done on
 Wikipedia to rescue articles worth rescuing that it would be a great waste
 to see time and energy diverted to unsalvageable articles.




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 http://flossk.orgSaving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion
http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com
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Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

2012-07-22 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 1:57 AM, Mike  Dupont
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
 The articles are hosted on archive.org, and then transfered to wikia,
 I could make some review tools, but where to host them?
 mike

Well, why do you want to host them?  Or, more specifically, why do you
want to host them somewhere other than archive.org?

I definitely understand wanting to save the content of these articles
just in case someone wants to work on fixing them.  Wikipedia's
temporary undeletion process for people who wish to do this, is simply
not convenient.  But archive.org seems to take care of that purpose
just fine.

If the *topic* is deemed notable, just the article itself is of very
poor quality, then once these have undergone manual review and
intervention, the right place to host them would be back in Wikipedia.
 It would also be nice to have a wiki for topics deemed by Wikipedia
to be not notable.  But this is a much different problem, and I
don't believe it is served well by the autopopulation of mostly very
low quality articles.

Also, sorry if this was already answered, but where are they on archive.org?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

2012-07-22 Thread Mike Dupont
Hi,
I created the wika because the archive.org is so hard to use and slow. I
want to be able to share articles with people, and I have been contacting
all the twitter users to tell them about the articles (after checking and
updating them).

I want to host them, at least the good ones to give bands and things a
place to find themselves,
or to give the non-notables a home.

In fact, a few people have already found themselves via google or some
means and have updated thier articles. I bet that this should be good
enough to prevent them from recreating the articles on wp.

The technical details are here,
https://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/wiki/SpeedyDeletion
https://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/wiki/SpeedyDeletionI created monthly
buckets, the most recent one is here:
http://archive.org/details/wikipedia-delete-v3-2012-07

If it turns out that too many articles that are copyvio are slipping
through, i could turn off the feed to wikia, yet keep the archive.org feed,
they are two separate processes.

Ideally we would agree on some tag to mark articles that would be worthy of
hosting, but not ready for wikipedia. We are pulling only some categories
directly.

mike

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 1:57 AM, Mike  Dupont
 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
  The articles are hosted on archive.org, and then transfered to wikia,
  I could make some review tools, but where to host them?
  mike
 
 Well, why do you want to host them?  Or, more specifically, why do you
 want to host them somewhere other than archive.org?

 I definitely understand wanting to save the content of these articles
 just in case someone wants to work on fixing them.  Wikipedia's
 temporary undeletion process for people who wish to do this, is simply
 not convenient.  But archive.org seems to take care of that purpose
 just fine.

 If the *topic* is deemed notable, just the article itself is of very
 poor quality, then once these have undergone manual review and
 intervention, the right place to host them would be back in Wikipedia.
  It would also be nice to have a wiki for topics deemed by Wikipedia
 to be not notable.  But this is a much different problem, and I
 don't believe it is served well by the autopopulation of mostly very
 low quality articles.

 Also, sorry if this was already answered, but where are they on
 archive.org?




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http://flossk.orgSaving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion
http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

2012-07-22 Thread David Gerard
On 22 July 2012 04:16, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:

 Before trying to change New Page Patrol, you should try doing New Page
 Patrol for a few days.


+1

I'm broadly an inclusionist, but reading a few hours' Special:Newpages
is enough to have me breaking out the flamethrower. Anyone complaining
about new pages patrol needs to personally sample the firehose of
*mostly shit* that comes into Wikipedia.


- d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

2012-07-22 Thread David Gerard
On 22 July 2012 07:09, Mike  Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:

 The problem with new articles from these places, and like india is that
 they have a very high deletion rate, and we need a way to save them. I am
 willing to put work into the articles on bands, artists, movies, atheletes
 etc , but also websites to save them.


(this is getting a bit en:wp-specific, but anyway)

Robert Horning just raised this on the Village Pump - he wants to get
article incubation going again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28policy%29#Article_Incubation..._how_sould_it_be_done_or_even_if_it_should_be_done.3F

I answered that the main barrier was just having people willing to do
it. You may want to mention your interest there.


- d.

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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia India - June 2012 report

2012-07-22 Thread Naveen Francis
Dear all,

Greetings from Wikimedia India !
Organisational Updates

Chapter audit is expected to be complete in couple of weeks.

Income tax department has responded to our income tax exemption (12A
registration) application and requested for additional information. Arjuna
Rao Chavala along with Chapter Consultant Mr MN Rao met with IT authorities
and clarified how the Chapter activities are charitable. As IT authorities
could not be convinced fully, it is decided to withdraw the application and
reapply at a later date.

*Elections*
Election rules were approved by the EC. Election Committee consisting of Mr
Gautam John and Mr Balasundara Raman were appointed. Further communication
regarding Elections will follow soon from Election Committee.

*Membership:*
Membership as of 31 June, 2012 is 76, which includes all the renewals that
were processed till 18 July 2012.

*Donations:*
Donations till date for the current FY is Rs 100/-


*Internet Relay Chat(IRCs):*
IRC on WLM was conducted and

   - Karthik Nadar
   - Noopur Raval
   - Yuvi Panda

have been volunteered for core team of WLM India.

*Board Meetings:*
We had one meeting in June.

*WikiConference 2011*
Accounts are submitted to Auditor. We expect Audit report in couple of
weeks.

*Upcoming Events*

   - The Fifth Elephant http://fifthelephant.in/2012/,Conference on the
   big data ecosystem, 27  28 July 2012, Bangalore - Wikimedia Chapter is
   participating as Partner

Community  Special Interest Groups

*Events:*
A round-up of Wikimedia events, academies and initiatives around the nation
are updated here http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Events.
 Media Coverage

Media Coverage on Wikimedia India and Wikipedia is updated
herehttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/In_the_News
Grants Funded

   - Kannada Wikipedia Anniversary
Celebrationhttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Grants/Kannada_Wikipedia_9th_Anniversarywas
funded


We look forward to your continued support and active participation.

Best,
On behalf of Wikimedia Chapter (India)
Naveen Francis
Secretary
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[Wikimedia-l] Chapter report: WMNL, May and June

2012-07-22 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello,

Here are the links to the chapter reports for WMNL in the months May
and June 2012. Earlier, when I send reports, I got complaints that I
have to (?) include the whole texts, but as the links should work
fine, I don't see a reason for the whole texts.

Kind regards
Ziko

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Nederland/201205
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Nederland/201206



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter report: WMNL, May and June

2012-07-22 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 22 July 2012 13:51, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote:
 Hello,

 Here are the links to the chapter reports for WMNL in the months May
 and June 2012. Earlier, when I send reports, I got complaints that I
 have to (?) include the whole texts, but as the links should work
 fine, I don't see a reason for the whole texts.

Can you at least include a summary in the email? That helps people
decide whether there is anything in the report they actually want to
read (most of us don't have time to read every chapter's report every
month).

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