Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

2012-10-17 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
This has been discussed in the language committee. In the committee we all
agreed that the existing languages for Wikivoyage should start without any
interference of us and that new languages should start through the normal
process because from now they are just like any other new project in a
language.
Thanks,
  Gerard

On 16 October 2012 22:56, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi Erik,
 
  What languages are you launching with and what is the procedure for
  launching new languages?

 We're basing the initial set on the languages which are ready for
 import from Wikivoyage. At this point, it looks like that would be
 German, Italian, English, French, Dutch and Swedish.

 I think it's up to the language committee and the larger Wikimedia
 community to determine the process for new languages. My understanding
 is that per https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_proposal_policy
 new languages would need to use the incubator at first to demonstrate
 viability.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

2012-10-17 Thread Strainu
2012/10/17 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:

 This has been discussed in the language committee. In the committee we all
 agreed that the existing languages for Wikivoyage should start without any
 interference of us and that new languages should start through the normal
 process because from now they are just like any other new project in a
 language.

But how about languages already existing in Wikitravel? They already
have the content, if not the community.

Strainu

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

2012-10-17 Thread Deryck Chan
On 17 October 2012 09:16, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.ilwrote:

 2012/10/17 Strainu strain...@gmail.com:
  2012/10/17 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:
 
  This has been discussed in the language committee. In the committee we
 all
  agreed that the existing languages for Wikivoyage should start without
 any
  interference of us and that new languages should start through the
 normal
  process because from now they are just like any other new project in a
  language.
 
  But how about languages already existing in Wikitravel? They already
  have the content, if not the community.

 As Gerard said, the existing languages for Wikivoyage should start
 without any interference.


Amir,
I think Strainu is referring to languages that exist on Wikitravel but not
Wikivoyage.
Deryck
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

2012-10-17 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
2012/10/17 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il:
 2012/10/17 Strainu strain...@gmail.com:
 2012/10/17 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:

 This has been discussed in the language committee. In the committee we all
 agreed that the existing languages for Wikivoyage should start without any
 interference of us and that new languages should start through the normal
 process because from now they are just like any other new project in a
 language.

 But how about languages already existing in Wikitravel? They already
 have the content, if not the community.

 As Gerard said, the existing languages for Wikivoyage should start
 without any interference.


But the question is about exisitng Wikitravel languages. For example
there is hebrew Wikitravel but there is no hebrew Wikivoyage.

http://wikitravel.org/he/%D7%A2%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%93_%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%A9%D7%99

Actually the hebrew version of wikitravel has only 102 articiles but
for example Polish:

http://wikitravel.org/pl/Strona_g%C5%82%C3%B3wna

has 2585, although actually is in fact half-dead and going through the
incubator-language committee process will rather discourage the tiny
community of Polish wikitravel to switch to vikivoyage, so the effect
will be that Polish wikivoage won't appear in predictable future. I
guess the same will be with other mid-size wikitravel language
versions of which there are a couple around...

Hope I am wrong anyway :-)


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

2012-10-17 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter

On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 09:44:49 +0200, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi,
This has been discussed in the language committee. In the committee 
we all
agreed that the existing languages for Wikivoyage should start 
without any
interference of us and that new languages should start through the 
normal
process because from now they are just like any other new project in 
a

language.
Thanks,
  Gerard



There is Russian version of Wikitravel but not of (old) Wikivoyage. 
Should they still go to the incubator?


Cheers
Yaroslav

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

2012-10-17 Thread Juergen Fenn
2012/10/17 Deryck Chan deryckc...@wikimedia.hk:

 I think Strainu is referring to languages that exist on Wikitravel but not
 Wikivoyage.

Probably a practical question: As Wikitravel closed the API in August,
there is probably no more data that Wikivoyage could rescue from the
project than now is available in Wikivoyage. If a language community
needs a fresh start in Wikivoyage it would have to begin from the very
beginning. In this case it would be best to go through Incubator.

Regards,
Jürgen.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

2012-10-17 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2012/10/17 Deryck Chan deryckc...@wikimedia.hk:
 On 17 October 2012 09:16, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.ilwrote:

 2012/10/17 Strainu strain...@gmail.com:
  2012/10/17 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:
 
  This has been discussed in the language committee. In the committee we
 all
  agreed that the existing languages for Wikivoyage should start without
 any
  interference of us and that new languages should start through the
 normal
  process because from now they are just like any other new project in a
  language.
 
  But how about languages already existing in Wikitravel? They already
  have the content, if not the community.

 As Gerard said, the existing languages for Wikivoyage should start
 without any interference.


 Amir,
 I think Strainu is referring to languages that exist on Wikitravel but not
 Wikivoyage.

/me slaps self.

Well, this confusion will probably happen a lot with this project.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

2012-10-17 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
2012/10/17 Juergen Fenn schneeschme...@googlemail.com:
 2012/10/17 Deryck Chan deryckc...@wikimedia.hk:

 I think Strainu is referring to languages that exist on Wikitravel but not
 Wikivoyage.

 Probably a practical question: As Wikitravel closed the API in August,
 there is probably no more data that Wikivoyage could rescue from the
 project than now is available in Wikivoyage. If a language community
 needs a fresh start in Wikivoyage it would have to begin from the very
 beginning. In this case it would be best to go through Incubator.


So, the predictable effect will be that mid-size wikitravel language
versions which did not moved to wikivoyage before August will rather
stay on Wikitravel. There will be hard to find volunteers in these
langauges ready to go through painful and time consuming process of
incubator as there is already working wiki that anyone can join
without any obstacles...


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

2012-10-17 Thread Juergen Fenn
2012/10/17 Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com:

 Probably a practical question: As Wikitravel closed the API in August,
 there is probably no more data that Wikivoyage could rescue from the
 project than now is available in Wikivoyage. If a language community
 needs a fresh start in Wikivoyage it would have to begin from the very
 beginning. In this case it would be best to go through Incubator.


 So, the predictable effect will be that mid-size wikitravel language
 versions which did not moved to wikivoyage before August will rather
 stay on Wikitravel. There will be hard to find volunteers in these
 langauges ready to go through painful and time consuming process of
 incubator as there is already working wiki that anyone can join
 without any obstacles...

Maybe, maybe not. First of all, Wikitravel is to blame because they
hinder free content from being used according to its license. But
perhaps it would be possible to migrate language versions even though
to Incubator and then to new Wikivoyage proper.

Regards,
Jürgen.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

2012-10-17 Thread Roland Unger
  2012/10/17 Juergen Fenn schneeschme...@googlemail.com:
  2012/10/17 Deryck Chan deryckc...@wikimedia.hk:
 
  I think Strainu is referring to languages that exist on Wikitravel 
 but not
  Wikivoyage.
 
  Probably a practical question: As Wikitravel closed the API in August,
  there is probably no more data that Wikivoyage could rescue from the
  project than now is available in Wikivoyage. If a language community
  needs a fresh start in Wikivoyage it would have to begin from the very
  beginning. In this case it would be best to go through Incubator.
 
 
 
 That's not precisely true. With enough determination, the content can
 be extracted from Wikitravel, even now. Hell, even copy-paste would
 work to some extent.
 
 But I remember that the archive team said they had a dump from August
 2011 for all the Wikitravel languages and private persons might have
 more recent dumps. Can't those be used?

 2012/10/17 Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com:
  So, the predictable effect will be that mid-size wikitravel language
  versions which did not moved to wikivoyage before August will rather
  stay on Wikitravel. There will be hard to find volunteers in these
  langauges ready to go through painful and time consuming process of
  incubator as there is already working wiki that anyone can join
  without any obstacles...
 
 I don't think this is necessarily true, even if it is an important
 risk and one of the reasons I've asked the questions originally.  For
 instance, the Romanian Wikitravel was virtually dead, but some people
 from ro.wp expressed interest in contributing to the new site if it
 has a Romanian version.


It's correct that the dumps of all languages from August 2012 are available
at Wikivoyage saved as XML files.

But these files could not be used to publish them immediately because they
contain a lot of spam which must be removed by the community before.
But the communities are missing.

In some cases it makes sense to think about establishing a language
branch from scratch.

See also the interest list at

http://www.wikivoyage.org/general/Interest_in_starting_a_new_language_version

at least five authors and admins should show their interest in helping to
migrate the wikis.

Roland

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

2012-10-17 Thread Strainu
2012/10/17 Roland Unger roland.un...@soziologie.uni-halle.de:
  2012/10/17 Juergen Fenn schneeschme...@googlemail.com:
  2012/10/17 Deryck Chan deryckc...@wikimedia.hk:
 
  I think Strainu is referring to languages that exist on Wikitravel
 but not
  Wikivoyage.
 
  Probably a practical question: As Wikitravel closed the API in August,
  there is probably no more data that Wikivoyage could rescue from the
  project than now is available in Wikivoyage. If a language community
  needs a fresh start in Wikivoyage it would have to begin from the very
  beginning. In this case it would be best to go through Incubator.
 
 

 That's not precisely true. With enough determination, the content can
 be extracted from Wikitravel, even now. Hell, even copy-paste would
 work to some extent.

 But I remember that the archive team said they had a dump from August
 2011 for all the Wikitravel languages and private persons might have
 more recent dumps. Can't those be used?

 2012/10/17 Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com:
  So, the predictable effect will be that mid-size wikitravel language
  versions which did not moved to wikivoyage before August will rather
  stay on Wikitravel. There will be hard to find volunteers in these
  langauges ready to go through painful and time consuming process of
  incubator as there is already working wiki that anyone can join
  without any obstacles...

 I don't think this is necessarily true, even if it is an important
 risk and one of the reasons I've asked the questions originally.  For
 instance, the Romanian Wikitravel was virtually dead, but some people
 from ro.wp expressed interest in contributing to the new site if it
 has a Romanian version.


 It's correct that the dumps of all languages from August 2012 are available
 at Wikivoyage saved as XML files.

 But these files could not be used to publish them immediately because they
 contain a lot of spam which must be removed by the community before.
 But the communities are missing.

 In some cases it makes sense to think about establishing a language
 branch from scratch.

 See also the interest list at

 http://www.wikivoyage.org/general/Interest_in_starting_a_new_language_version

 at least five authors and admins should show their interest in helping to
 migrate the wikis.

I personally don't see much value in starting a new project on
Wikivoyage now (except perhaps to avoid the Incubator, which is a more
bureaucratic process). One of the reasons people did not contribute to
Wikitravel was that it was different (e.g. different accounts,
extensions etc.)

Strainu

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

2012-10-17 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
From my perspective, what is relevant is that we do not want to interfere
with languages that exist in Wikitravel. It is quite likely that most of
these languages are quite good from a localisation point of view.

What makes sense if several languages are not in Wikivoyage yet, we can
extend our waiver for going through the incubator for a set period ...
something like a year or the end of 2013 ? Our point is not to hinder the
start of existing communities in a new to be created Wikivoyage instance.

All the details mentioned in this mail thread have not been considered by
the language committee but I do not believe it will be a problem by any of
its members.
Thanks,
 Gerard

On 17 October 2012 11:07, Juergen Fenn schneeschme...@googlemail.comwrote:

 2012/10/17 Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com:

  Probably a practical question: As Wikitravel closed the API in August,
  there is probably no more data that Wikivoyage could rescue from the
  project than now is available in Wikivoyage. If a language community
  needs a fresh start in Wikivoyage it would have to begin from the very
  beginning. In this case it would be best to go through Incubator.
 
 
  So, the predictable effect will be that mid-size wikitravel language
  versions which did not moved to wikivoyage before August will rather
  stay on Wikitravel. There will be hard to find volunteers in these
  langauges ready to go through painful and time consuming process of
  incubator as there is already working wiki that anyone can join
  without any obstacles...

 Maybe, maybe not. First of all, Wikitravel is to blame because they
 hinder free content from being used according to its license. But
 perhaps it would be possible to migrate language versions even though
 to Incubator and then to new Wikivoyage proper.

 Regards,
 Jürgen.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

2012-10-17 Thread Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
And Portuguese WikiTravel?
Which has nearly 3000 articles, ie more than WikiTravel in Spanish, which
also is not listed, and has more than ru and sv, which were imported.
And updates
are occurring.




On 17 October 2012 08:27, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote:

 2012/10/17 Roland Unger roland.un...@soziologie.uni-halle.de:
   2012/10/17 Juergen Fenn schneeschme...@googlemail.com:
   2012/10/17 Deryck Chan deryckc...@wikimedia.hk:
  
   I think Strainu is referring to languages that exist on Wikitravel
  but not
   Wikivoyage.
  
   Probably a practical question: As Wikitravel closed the API in
 August,
   there is probably no more data that Wikivoyage could rescue from the
   project than now is available in Wikivoyage. If a language community
   needs a fresh start in Wikivoyage it would have to begin from the
 very
   beginning. In this case it would be best to go through Incubator.
  
  
 
  That's not precisely true. With enough determination, the content can
  be extracted from Wikitravel, even now. Hell, even copy-paste would
  work to some extent.
 
  But I remember that the archive team said they had a dump from August
  2011 for all the Wikitravel languages and private persons might have
  more recent dumps. Can't those be used?
 
  2012/10/17 Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com:
   So, the predictable effect will be that mid-size wikitravel language
   versions which did not moved to wikivoyage before August will rather
   stay on Wikitravel. There will be hard to find volunteers in these
   langauges ready to go through painful and time consuming process of
   incubator as there is already working wiki that anyone can join
   without any obstacles...
 
  I don't think this is necessarily true, even if it is an important
  risk and one of the reasons I've asked the questions originally.  For
  instance, the Romanian Wikitravel was virtually dead, but some people
  from ro.wp expressed interest in contributing to the new site if it
  has a Romanian version.
 
 
  It's correct that the dumps of all languages from August 2012 are
 available
  at Wikivoyage saved as XML files.
 
  But these files could not be used to publish them immediately because
 they
  contain a lot of spam which must be removed by the community before.
  But the communities are missing.
 
  In some cases it makes sense to think about establishing a language
  branch from scratch.
 
  See also the interest list at
 
 
 http://www.wikivoyage.org/general/Interest_in_starting_a_new_language_version
 
  at least five authors and admins should show their interest in helping to
  migrate the wikis.

 I personally don't see much value in starting a new project on
 Wikivoyage now (except perhaps to avoid the Incubator, which is a more
 bureaucratic process). One of the reasons people did not contribute to
 Wikitravel was that it was different (e.g. different accounts,
 extensions etc.)

 Strainu

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

2012-10-17 Thread Roland Unger
 And Portuguese WikiTravel?
 Which has nearly 3000 articles, ie more than WikiTravel in Spanish, which
 also is not listed, and has more than ru and sv, which were imported.
 And updates
 are occurring.

There is up to now no community (5 persons) who helps migrating
the content.

See:
http://www.wikivoyage.org/general/Interest_in_starting_a_new_language_version

Roland




 On 17 October 2012 08:27, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  2012/10/17 Roland Unger roland.un...@soziologie.uni-halle.de:
2012/10/17 Juergen Fenn schneeschme...@googlemail.com:
2012/10/17 Deryck Chan deryckc...@wikimedia.hk:
   
I think Strainu is referring to languages that exist on Wikitravel
   but not
Wikivoyage.
   
Probably a practical question: As Wikitravel closed the API in
  August,
there is probably no more data that Wikivoyage could rescue 
 from the
project than now is available in Wikivoyage. If a language community
needs a fresh start in Wikivoyage it would have to begin from 
 the
  very
beginning. In this case it would be best to go through Incubator.
   
   
  
   That's not precisely true. With enough determination, the content 
 can
   be extracted from Wikitravel, even now. Hell, even copy-paste would
   work to some extent.
  
   But I remember that the archive team said they had a dump from August
   2011 for all the Wikitravel languages and private persons might have
   more recent dumps. Can't those be used?
  
   2012/10/17 Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com:
So, the predictable effect will be that mid-size wikitravel language
versions which did not moved to wikivoyage before August will rather
stay on Wikitravel. There will be hard to find volunteers in these
langauges ready to go through painful and time consuming 
 process of
incubator as there is already working wiki that anyone can join
without any obstacles...
  
   I don't think this is necessarily true, even if it is an important
   risk and one of the reasons I've asked the questions originally.  
 For
   instance, the Romanian Wikitravel was virtually dead, but some people
   from ro.wp expressed interest in contributing to the new site if 
 it
   has a Romanian version.
  
  
   It's correct that the dumps of all languages from August 2012 are
  available
   at Wikivoyage saved as XML files.
  
   But these files could not be used to publish them immediately because
  they
   contain a lot of spam which must be removed by the community before.
   But the communities are missing.
  
   In some cases it makes sense to think about establishing a language
   branch from scratch.
  
   See also the interest list at
  
  
  http://www.wikivoyage.org/general/Interest_in_starting_a_new_language_version
  
   at least five authors and admins should show their interest in 
 helping to
   migrate the wikis.
 
  I personally don't see much value in starting a new project on
  Wikivoyage now (except perhaps to avoid the Incubator, which is a more
  bureaucratic process). One of the reasons people did not contribute 
 to
  Wikitravel was that it was different (e.g. different accounts,
  extensions etc.)
 
  Strainu
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

2012-10-17 Thread Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
Now, we have five :D


On 17 October 2012 10:29, Roland Unger roland.un...@soziologie.uni-halle.de
 wrote:

  And Portuguese WikiTravel?
  Which has nearly 3000 articles, ie more than WikiTravel in Spanish,
 which
  also is not listed, and has more than ru and sv, which were imported.
  And updates
  are occurring.

 There is up to now no community (5 persons) who helps migrating
 the content.

 See:

 http://www.wikivoyage.org/general/Interest_in_starting_a_new_language_version

 Roland




  On 17 October 2012 08:27, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   2012/10/17 Roland Unger roland.un...@soziologie.uni-halle.de:
 2012/10/17 Juergen Fenn schneeschme...@googlemail.com:
 2012/10/17 Deryck Chan deryckc...@wikimedia.hk:

 I think Strainu is referring to languages that exist on
 Wikitravel
but not
 Wikivoyage.

 Probably a practical question: As Wikitravel closed the API in
   August,
 there is probably no more data that Wikivoyage could rescue
  from the
 project than now is available in Wikivoyage. If a language
 community
 needs a fresh start in Wikivoyage it would have to begin from
  the
   very
 beginning. In this case it would be best to go through Incubator.


   
That's not precisely true. With enough determination, the content
  can
be extracted from Wikitravel, even now. Hell, even copy-paste would
work to some extent.
   
But I remember that the archive team said they had a dump from
 August
2011 for all the Wikitravel languages and private persons might
 have
more recent dumps. Can't those be used?
   
2012/10/17 Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com:
 So, the predictable effect will be that mid-size wikitravel
 language
 versions which did not moved to wikivoyage before August will
 rather
 stay on Wikitravel. There will be hard to find volunteers in these
 langauges ready to go through painful and time consuming
  process of
 incubator as there is already working wiki that anyone can join
 without any obstacles...
   
I don't think this is necessarily true, even if it is an important
risk and one of the reasons I've asked the questions originally.
  For
instance, the Romanian Wikitravel was virtually dead, but some
 people
from ro.wp expressed interest in contributing to the new site if
  it
has a Romanian version.
   
   
It's correct that the dumps of all languages from August 2012 are
   available
at Wikivoyage saved as XML files.
   
But these files could not be used to publish them immediately because
   they
contain a lot of spam which must be removed by the community before.
But the communities are missing.
   
In some cases it makes sense to think about establishing a language
branch from scratch.
   
See also the interest list at
   
   
  
 http://www.wikivoyage.org/general/Interest_in_starting_a_new_language_version
   
at least five authors and admins should show their interest in
  helping to
migrate the wikis.
  
   I personally don't see much value in starting a new project on
   Wikivoyage now (except perhaps to avoid the Incubator, which is a more
   bureaucratic process). One of the reasons people did not contribute
  to
   Wikitravel was that it was different (e.g. different accounts,
   extensions etc.)
  
   Strainu
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

2012-10-17 Thread Kim Bruning
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 11:47:42AM -0700, Erik Moeller wrote:
 Hi folks,
 
 a quick update on the launch of a travel project under the WMF
 umbrella, and the import of the existing Wikivoyage site.

3 3 3

sincerely,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours with the Language Engineering team 2012-09-17 16:30 UTC

2012-10-17 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan (WMF)
Hello,

Starting in 20 minutes from now.

Regards,
Srikanth L

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan (WMF) 
slakshma...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hello everyone,

 You're invited to the IRC office hours with the Language Engineering team[1] 
 at
 the Wikimedia Foundation.

 Date: 2012-10-17
 Time: 16.30 UTC
 Venue: #wikimedia-office

 Agenda:
 1. ULS  Project Milkshake updates.
 2. Translation UI/UX design findings
  3. Q  A

 For more logistical info and time conversion links check the page on
 Meta[2]. Thanks, and we hope to talk to you soon!

 [1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Language_Engineering_team
 [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours


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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Bon voyage, Jay

2012-10-17 Thread Tilman Bayer
Forwarding, as this doesn't yet seem to have made it through from the
Announce list. (Possibly because of the HTML format. The message can
also be read at
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaannounce-l/2012-October/000500.html
.)

-- Forwarded message --
From: Geoff Brigham gbrig...@wikimedia.org
To: wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org
Cc:
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:28:13 -0700
Subject: Bon voyage, Jay
Next week, we’re saying goodbye to our long-term Head of
Communications, Jay Walsh. He will be starting shortly a new adventure
working at a San Francisco based start-up in corporate communications.
His last day at the Foundation will be Tuesday, October 23. The
Foundation will be kicking off a search process for a new head of
communications, and in the interim we’ll also be receiving
communications strategy from our advisers at Minassian Media, a
consultancy that helped us manage communications around Wikipedia’s
tenth anniversary.

Since Jay started at the Foundation in January 2008 he’s taken a lead
role in shaping both the voice and identity of the Wikimedia
Foundation, and has played a critical function in supporting our
projects. He’s been our spokesperson on hundreds of media inquiries,
helping to shape a positive and enlightened perspective on our
projects in some of the biggest media outlets in the world. Jay has
provided communications counsel on major initiatives to almost
everyone at the Foundation, and I’m sure to many of you throughout our
community.

Since starting at WMF Jay has grown the communications team, which now
includes roles supporting movement communications, global media
outreach, and merchandise. Under his leadership we created and grew a
blog which now sees up to 40 posts a month, a social media presence
with over a million followers, and content published in many localized
languages. Jay helped us bring the Foundation’s first four annual
reports to the world, and he gave us a voice and open identity for
great events like Wikipedia 10.

We’ve been fortunate to have strong communications leadership for a
period of rapid growth for our projects and our movement. Please join
me in wishing Jay well on his next steps.  We will miss him.


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Wikimedia Foundation
IRC (Freenode): HaeB

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposed Wikimedia Medicine Thematic Organisation

2012-10-17 Thread John Vandenberg
On Oct 15, 2012 3:36 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote:

 James Heilman, 14/10/2012 22:18:

 Thematic organizations have the same amount of authority over content on
 Wikipedia as chapters. To spell this out clearly that means NONE. One
does
 not put these sorts of details in a NGOs by laws [...]


 Actually, chapters do and very clearly, as a general rule.

Aye. This is done to ensure the chapter cant legally exert influence over
content or the community, but also to help shield the chapter from lawsuits
about content.

A medicine org needs to be very clear about this, as lawsuits for incorrect
medical information will be very expensive.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Meeting on Monday with Group Contacts for WM IRC channels

2012-10-17 Thread John Vandenberg
Is there a log of this meeting?

John Vandenberg.
sent from Galaxy Note
On Oct 15, 2012 5:15 AM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Greetings,

 For those who might not have seen the announcements in #wikimedia-ops and
 other IRC channels:

 There will be a meeting with the Group Contacts for the WM IRC channels on
 Monday, October 15.

 Agenda and details are available at
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Group_Contacts/Meetings/October_2012

 So far, messages have been given in the following channels:

 #wikimedia
 #wikimedia-ops
 #wikimedia-commons
 #wikimedia-stewards
 #wikipedia
 #wikipedia-de
 #wikipedia-en
 #wikipedia-es
 #wikipedia-fr
 #wikipedia-it
 #wikipedia-nl
 #wikipedia-pl
 #wikipedia-ru

 I have attempted to contact people in these channels but didn’t get a
 reply, so if anyone who has competence in the language, please translate
 and forward this announcement. Additional languages are also welcome.

 #wikipedia-pt
 #wikipedia-ja
 #wikipedia-zh

 Thank you.

 Pine
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