Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copy and paste

2012-10-18 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
How hard would it be to set up a tool like the software that as far as I 
know the MIT uses to automatically check plagiarism among thesis etc. 
submitted to their digital library, checking the text of all Wikimedia 
projects against e.g. newspaper websites and Google Books, and then 
publishing the results in some visually appealing way to show how much 
newspapers copy from Wikipedia and each other?
On it.wiki we regularly see complaints and unhappy discussions about 
newspaper articles which are just a copy and paste from Wikipedia and 
still feature a COPY RESERVED warning without citing any source... 
newspapers are by definition arrogant, so nothing can be done to stop 
them, but an informative tool would be useful and might be as effective 
as wikiscanner was with regard to IP editing from organizations.


Nemo

James Heilman, 18/10/2012 07:26:

We really need a plagiarism detection tool so that we can make sure our
sources are not simply copy and pastes of older versions of Wikipedia.
Today I was happily improving our article on pneumonia as I have a day off.
I came across a recommendation that baby's should be suction at birth to
decrease their risk of pneumonia with a {{cn}} tag. So I went to Google
books and up came a book that supported it perfectly. And than I noticed
that this book supported the previous and next few sentences as well. It
also supported a number of other sections we had in the article but was
missing our references. The book was selling for $340 a copy. Our articles
have improved a great deal since 2007 and yet school are buying copy edited
version of Wikipedia from 5 years ago. The bit about suctioning babies at
birth is was wrong and I have corrected it. I think we need to get this
news out. Support Wikipedia and use the latest version online!

Further details / discuss are here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Can_we_still_use_books_as_refs.3F



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Meeting on Monday with Group Contacts for WM IRC channels

2012-10-18 Thread Filip Maljković
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 9:37 AM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hi John,

 I don't speak for the GCs, but there's a redlink for the log on the
 meeting page on Meta, and someone has posted some notes on Etherpad. You
 can see the links at https://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/IRC/Group_Contacts/
 **Meetings/October_2012https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Group_Contacts/Meetings/October_2012
 .

 If the log doesn't appear in a couple of days, I suggest that you contact
 one of the GCs to ask for an update.

 Cheers,

There's no log yet, I think, because our clients logged the joins/parts as
well as the discussion, and removing those by hand is tedious. If anyone
has a clean log, I see no problem with them posting it on meta.

Cheers,
Filip (a GC speaking in his own name)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours with the Language Engineering team 2012-09-17 16:30 UTC

2012-10-18 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan (WMF)
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan (WMF) 
slakshma...@wikimedia.org wrote:


 The log[1] is available. The next Language Engineering office hour will be
 on 14th November. Thank you


Apologies for the spam, the next office hours will be on 21st November, 3rd
Wednesday as usual. Thanks.

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Wikimedia Language Engineering Team
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Chapter Association, Think Tank about the roles of the association

2012-10-18 Thread charles.andres
 

Dear wikimedians, 

In order to prepare the next development step of
the Chapter Association (ie the concrete actions), a think tank has been
created to receive all ideas of Tasks that should be handled or
supported by the WCA. 

This process is open to everyone interested in
the future of the Chapter Association, chapters members or not.


http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Tasks
[1] 

Sincerely 

Charles 

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-- -- -- -- -- -- 

Charles ANDRES, 

Chairman of Wikimedia CH [2]-
Association for the advancement of free knowledge

Skype:
charles.andres.wmch
IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch [3]


Links:
--
[1]
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Tasks
[2]
http://www.wikimedia.ch/
[3] http://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copy and paste

2012-10-18 Thread Tom Morris
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 6:26 AM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote:
 We really need a plagiarism detection tool so that we can make sure our
 sources are not simply copy and pastes of older versions of Wikipedia.
 Today I was happily improving our article on pneumonia as I have a day off.
 I came across a recommendation that baby's should be suction at birth to
 decrease their risk of pneumonia with a {{cn}} tag. So I went to Google
 books and up came a book that supported it perfectly. And than I noticed
 that this book supported the previous and next few sentences as well. It
 also supported a number of other sections we had in the article but was
 missing our references. The book was selling for $340 a copy. Our articles
 have improved a great deal since 2007 and yet school are buying copy edited
 version of Wikipedia from 5 years ago. The bit about suctioning babies at
 birth is was wrong and I have corrected it. I think we need to get this
 news out. Support Wikipedia and use the latest version online!


It's sort of unrelated, but there's a project called Common Crawl:

http://commoncrawl.org/

It is trying to produce an open crawl of the web (much as Google,
Bing etc. have for their search engines).

Now that the copyvio bot is down, I'm wondering if someone would be
interested in building something that used the Common Crawl database,
or whether that'd be practical.

-- 
Tom Morris
http://tommorris.org/

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[Wikimedia-l] The new narrowed focus by WMF

2012-10-18 Thread Theo10011
Hi

Sue Gardner started working on this document on Meta a couple of weeks ago
- http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sue_Gardner/Narrowing_focus The
document outlines some rather big changes in the priority for WMF and
future responsibilities it will agree to keep. I am surprised by how little
attention this is getting from the larger community. There are comments but
mostly from the same individuals on Meta, little to none from some of the
most active voices and the larger English Wikipedia community.

This is the new direction being considered by the WMF, to basically abandon
or cut back on majority of activities from the last few year. Here are some
points-
1) No more Fellowships.
2) No more direct work in the developing markets (aka Global South- India,
Brazil, MENA)
3) No more support for International events, and cutting back on Wikimania

Instead of these, things like Editor engagement, Mobile and FDC/grant
making are being made priorities for WMF in the future. A large majority of
editors have had no interaction with grants and are unlikely to have so
with FDC as well, same with some of the mobile initiatives like Wikipedia
Zero which are limited to certain developing markets. A lot of these
changes will have a lasting impact, its not just relevant to those
interested in governance issues. Some of the implications are - Fellowships
would be removed all together, little to no spending on Hackathons,
possibly GLAM camps and other international events all together, less
spending on Wikimania and scholarships, the work in India and Brazil will
be moved away from WMF completely for a partner organization to take over
with a grant from WMF. If you do find some time, please consider taking a
look and commenting on these developments before they are approved.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sue_Gardner/Narrowing_focus

Regards
Theo

The document has some interesting quotes -

The Wikimedia Foundation is not a think tank or a research institute.
We're not an advocacy organization or a lobbyist, and our core mission
isn't to keep the internet free and open. We are not a general educational
non-profit. (We are a website, or set of sites, and everything we do needs
to be understood through that lens.) We don't just reactively support the
community—responding to requests from editors and doing what they ask us
to do. Our purpose isn't to provide MediaWiki support for third parties
(but it's in our interest to ensure that a healthy third party ecosystem
develops around MediaWiki). We're not, ourselves, content creators. Our
purpose is not to ensure the chapters grow and develop, nor is it to
support the chapters in their growth and development: rather, chapters are
our partners in supporting editors and other content creators.

The Wikimedia Foundation is not the only fish in the sea of free knowledge;
not everything that needs to be done must be done by the Wikimedia
Foundation, and it's not our job to do work that other individuals or
entities are better positioned or mandated to do, however important that
work may be. When we try to do work that more properly belongs to other
individuals or groups, we imperil our ability to get our own core work
done, and we arguably make it less possible for other entities to do what
they're supposed to be doing.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The new narrowed focus by WMF

2012-10-18 Thread MZMcBride
Theo10011 wrote:
 Sue Gardner started working on this document on Meta a couple of weeks ago
 - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sue_Gardner/Narrowing_focus

Well, there's your problem. You're reading the talk page! You want the
subject-space page, of course:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Sue_Gardner/Narrowing_focus.

I've read (or skimmed) your posts to the talk page and to this list and I'm
a bit lost why you seem to be hostile to the document. Were you a big fan of
the fellowships or India programs? Do you think Wikimania can't sustain
itself? I think you have been pretty vocally critical of programs like these
in the past and I would think you would be pleased with the narrowed focus.
I am. And I think the Board will be. Is it a perfect plan? No. Is there more
work to do? Of course.

But I'm sincerely confused about which parts you're upset with and why. If
your intent is to rabble-rouse, you're doing it wrong. :-)

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The new narrowed focus by WMF

2012-10-18 Thread MZMcBride
MZMcBride wrote:
 Theo10011 wrote:
 Sue Gardner started working on this document on Meta a couple of weeks ago
 - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sue_Gardner/Narrowing_focus
 
 Well, there's your problem. You're reading the talk page! You want the
 subject-space page, of course:
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Sue_Gardner/Narrowing_focus.

Sorry, one more thing that I think deserves a follow-up e-mail: huge props
to Sue for drafting this on-wiki. I know that there were a number of
alternate private venues available (such as the office wiki) and it isn't
always easy to draft a document, particularly a document like this, in
public. In keeping with our values, I hope we continue to encourage everyone
to use the public venues whenever possible. Thank you, Sue!

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The new narrowed focus by WMF

2012-10-18 Thread Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
Narrowing the focus... target locked on Wikipedia... hunf sad... very sad.

Thanks board...
On 18 October 2012 19:07, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:

 MZMcBride wrote:
  Theo10011 wrote:
  Sue Gardner started working on this document on Meta a couple of weeks
 ago
  - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sue_Gardner/Narrowing_focus
 
  Well, there's your problem. You're reading the talk page! You want the
  subject-space page, of course:
  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Sue_Gardner/Narrowing_focus.

 Sorry, one more thing that I think deserves a follow-up e-mail: huge props
 to Sue for drafting this on-wiki. I know that there were a number of
 alternate private venues available (such as the office wiki) and it isn't
 always easy to draft a document, particularly a document like this, in
 public. In keeping with our values, I hope we continue to encourage
 everyone
 to use the public venues whenever possible. Thank you, Sue!

 MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Upcoming: WMF metrics/activities meeting - November 1

2012-10-18 Thread Abbas Mahmood
Erik,

This is wonderful news! Will you be rotating the time of the meetings to 
accommodate different timezones?

Thanks,
Abbas.

 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 21:16:24 -0400
 From: meta...@gmail.com
 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Upcoming: WMF metrics/activities meeting - 
 November 1
 
 +100
 
 On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Richard Symonds
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
  Fantastic! Live youtube streams are an incredible idea. Great to see the
  movement taking advantage of the rest of the tools the internet has to
  offer. Thanks to all involved!
 
  Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK
  On Oct 19, 2012 12:29 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 
  Hi folks,
 
  I'm pleased to announced that the next WMF metrics and activities
  meeting is going to be the first one that'll be live-streamed on
  YouTube with an open IRC backchannel.
 
  The meeting will take place November 1, 2012 at 5:30 PM UTC. The IRC
  channel is #wikimedia-metrics-meetings [1] on irc.freenode.net.
 
  The current structure of the meeting is:
  * Review of key metrics including the monthly report card, but also
  specialized reports and analytics
  * Review of financials
  * Welcoming recent hires
  * Brief presentations on recent projects, with a focus on highest
  priority initiatives
  * Update and QA with the Executive Director, if available
 
  Please review
  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings
  for further information about how to participate.
 
  We'll post IRC logs and the video recording publicly after the meeting.
 
  All best,
  Erik
 
  [1] I'm open to just using #wikimedia or another channel if folks
  would prefer that, but didn't want to assume that it's OK to hog the
  channel :)
 
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  VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation
 
  Support Free Knowledge: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
 
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