Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-06 Thread rupert THURNER
hi erik, there is a lot of good reasoning in your mail. you talk of "engineering functions" and "product functions" already existing. which ones are these, what is their responsibility, and how many people work in these functions currently? rupert On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 4:03 AM, Erik Moeller wr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-06 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Marcin Cieslak wrote: > > To avoid fear and anxiety, and to make sure the plan makes sense, I > > want to start an open conversation now. If you think any of the below > > is a terrible idea, or have suggestions on how to improve the plan, > > I’d love to hear from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-06 Thread Marcin Cieslak
> To avoid fear and anxiety, and to make sure the plan makes sense, I > want to start an open conversation now. If you think any of the below > is a terrible idea, or have suggestions on how to improve the plan, > I’d love to hear from you. I’ll make myself personally available to > anyone who want

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 8, Issue 45 -- 05 November 2012

2012-11-06 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
Op-ed: 2012 WikiCup comes to an end http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-11-05/Op-ed News and notes: Wikimedian photographic talent on display in national submissions to Wiki Loves Monuments http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-11-05/News_and_no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

2012-11-06 Thread Samuel Klein
Briefly: On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Lodewijk wrote: > Hi SJ, > > to boldly push my question again: do I understand from this correctly there > was at this instance (in your opinion) no urgency There is always some urgency to fix problems once a fix is identified - for instance, it was good

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-06 Thread K. Peachey
(Double Post, Since this was crossposted in the first place, and to make sure I hit both lists, Sorry Wikitech) On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > The way we’d get there: > > I’m prepared to resign from my engineering management responsibilities > and to focus solely on my rema

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikidata-l] next Wikidata office hours

2012-11-06 Thread aude
FYI: We have office hours today at 17:30 UTC with Denny, Lydia (and me) from the Wikidata team. Office hours will be in the #wikimedia-office IRC channel. You can join via webchat: http://webchat.freenode.net/ or another IRC client. Cheers, Katie -- Forwarded message -- From: L

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

2012-11-06 Thread Lodewijk
Hi SJ, to boldly push my question again: do I understand from this correctly there was at this instance (in your opinion) no urgency that would validate the chosen procedure? I know you seem to be in favor of this change as much as I am, but I'm simply trying to understand if there are situations

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

2012-11-06 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Risker, 06/11/2012 09:40: On 6 November 2012 03:07, Florence Devouard wrote: Errr. No. At least historically, this is incorrect. Michael Davis was the first treasurer of the board (appointed by Jimbo at the beginning of the WMF). After some time, Michael announced his desire to quit the board

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

2012-11-06 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Risker, 06/11/2012 03:26: On 5 November 2012 20:01, John Vandenberg wrote: Bylaw changes are never housekeeping. [snp] Somewhere in 500,000 bytes, do you really think there was any likelihood that there would have been anything posted that would have improved this housekeeping chang

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

2012-11-06 Thread Risker
On 6 November 2012 03:07, Florence Devouard wrote: > On 11/6/12 3:26 AM, Risker wrote: > >> On 5 November 2012 20:01, John Vandenberg wrote: >> >> Bylaw changes are never housekeeping. >>> >>> This resolution does change the composition of the board. >>> >>> Two seats had a defined role, with c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

2012-11-06 Thread Florence Devouard
On 11/6/12 3:26 AM, Risker wrote: On 5 November 2012 20:01, John Vandenberg wrote: Bylaw changes are never housekeeping. This resolution does change the composition of the board. Two seats had a defined role, with clear responsibilities. Now they dont. Of course there is always shared respon

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

2012-11-06 Thread Samuel Klein
Risker is right. This mainly reflects long-standing reality in a more transparent way, and is an exercise in more effective delegation. A few years back the staff liaison to the Board (James) took many of the notes at meetings, which was helpful; since then the Secretary has done much of that dir