Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2012 Editor survey launched

2012-11-07 Thread Orsolya Gyenes
This could not be more difficult... I am a sysop on huwiki for 3 years now and I'm looking for the link for half an hour now and I still can't find it... :O How can you expect newbies to find it? *~Orsolya* 2012/11/6 Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com I didn't see the banner either, but this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Risker
On 5 November 2012 22:03, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: FYI -- Forwarded message -- From: Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org Date: Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 5:38 PM Subject: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure To: Staff All wmf...@lists.wikimedia.org Hi

[Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia collaterally damaged by google's autocomplete filter

2012-11-07 Thread Kim Bruning
Google's autocomplete filter now censors certain search terms. While this may or may not be successful at stopping piracy, it certainly manages to filter wikipedia pages on these topics. See here, and note the top hit for their example:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Sue Gardner
On 7 November 2012 08:40, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Crossposting is tricky – Sue's answer didn't reach wikimedia-l as far as I can see. From http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2012-November/064281.html : Oh thanks, Nemo. I don't know what went wrong there, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Quim Gil
Hi, am I the only one having difficulties understanding the proposal and what it implies? On 11/05/2012 07:03 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: we need to split the current department into an engineering dept and a product dept in about 6-8 months. It is strange to see engineering and product side by

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Philippe Beaudette
One thing that I really like here: Terry specifically calls out past projects (ArticleFeedbackTool, PageCuration, MoodBar), as things that his team continues to support, though in a less structured/rigid/team-based method (my own interpretation of what he said). I want to say that this has been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Thank you, Erik. Before (or rather than) commenting, I have a single question below; the rest of the email is just a premise+addendum to it. ;-) Terry Chay, 07/11/2012 21:04: You aren't the only one. It turns out we use a lot of industry terminology, without realizing that we are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Quim Gil quim...@gmail.com wrote: Whatever the result, I hope we end up with teams where software developers, sysadmins, product managers, designers etc are well mixed in focused teams going after clear common goals. Absolutely. Teams are assembled

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Tilman Bayer
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/11/12 22:21, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: Terry Chay, 07/11/2012 21:04: You aren't the only one. It turns out we use a lot of industry terminology, without realizing that we are poorly communicating what that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: You can see several teams in that page, with members from multiple sections. Which leads to the (naive?) question on what's the purpose of being splitted in those sections if then the work is done in teams with a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Howie Fung
Picking up this thread as Erik asked me to explain the different functions that fall under Product. To do that, it's worth describing in a bit more detail how our project teams work. This may be a bit reductive (apologies in advance), but there are a basic set of things that need to happen when

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Sue Gardner
Hey folks, I think all the conversation about this is really helpful, and it's been particularly useful thus far to hear from community members about what's confusing about the current and proposed structures. (Not being confusing isn't the primary motivation for a restructure, but it's obviously