Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long
On 4 Dec 2012, at 19:09, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: That's nice and all, but there should also be no sticking. When I scroll a page, I expect the -entire page- to scroll. Anything that breaks that and moves with or sticks with the page is extremely visually distracting and gets hit with AdBlock at once, even if it's just a Share This bar. It indicates either poor design or an attempt to deliberately distract, and either is unacceptable. If that means more days of banners that can be scrolled past, more days it is. And no, I'm not the only one I know who thinks so. That seems a very personal, and technically adept persons, viewpoint. This IS, as you identify, an attempt to deliberately attract notice. You are not the target audience, though, so feel free to us Adblock :-) problem solved! Also on the subject of flow: A: Because it reverses the normal reading flow. Q: ... I think you might have gotten this the wrong way round ;-) Tom ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] next Wikidata office hours
Heya :) On 18 December Denny and I will do the next round of Wikidata office hours. Everyone with questions about Wikidata is welcome. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Events#IRC_office_hours Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 8, Issue 49 -- 03 December 2012
News and notes: Wiki Loves Monuments announces 2012 winner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-12-03/News_and_notes Discussion report: Concise Wikipedia; standardize version history tables http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-12-03/Discussion_report WikiProject report: The White Rose: WikiProject Yorkshire http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-12-03/WikiProject_report Featured content: The play's the thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-12-03/Featured_content Technology report: MediaWiki problems but good news for Toolserver stability http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-12-03/Technology_report Single page view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signpost/Single PDF version http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-12-03 http://identi.ca/wikisignpost / https://twitter.com/wikisignpost -- Wikipedia Signpost Staff http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long
Nathan wrote: It's been clear to me, and seemingly other people, that Zack and the fundraising team take their task very seriously, and are extraordinarily thoughtful in all of their plans and interactions - with folks on the mailing list, with editors and other stakeholders, and with readers. The fundraising drive this year is head and shoulders above any prior effort by virtually any possible measure. To take a two word phrase in a short e-mail out of that greater context, and use it to imply that Zack is treating site visitors as though they're simply playthings does Zack a great disservice, and does you no credit. Try to keep in mind that Wikimedia employees are people with feelings and pride in their work, and in the future take more care with comments that impugn their work, professionalism and character. Yes, you're right. It wasn't fair to quote in the way that I did. It came close to twisting words and it unfortunately buried the larger point that I was trying to make about experimenting on users and the lack of general guidance in this area. I shouldn't have done that and I apologize. And while you're certainly right that employees are often protective of their work, you can see how Wikimedians are often protective of theirs? Fundraising banners are safely categorized as a necessary evil these days, but when they begin to intrude on page content or intrude on mouse hover, I believe that crosses a line. Finally, I've said previously that Wikimedians (or Wikipedians, rather) complain loudly, but congratulate softly. Megan and her team have done amazing work this year and I agree with you and others who rate this as the best and most successful annual fundraiser in Wikimedia's history. And not that money is the only thing that matters, but in terms of comparison to other years, this year has apparently just blown them away: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:FundraiserStatistics. It's very impressive work and I hope nobody on the fundraising team feels as though it's gone unnoticed. MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l