Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-05 Thread Thomas Morton
On 4 Dec 2012, at 19:09, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's nice and all, but there should also be no sticking. When I scroll
 a page, I expect the -entire page- to scroll. Anything that breaks that and
 moves with or sticks with the page is extremely visually distracting
 and gets hit with AdBlock at once, even if it's just a Share This bar. It
 indicates either poor design or an attempt to deliberately distract, and
 either is unacceptable. If that means more days of banners that can be
 scrolled past, more days it is. And no, I'm not the only one I know who
 thinks so.

That seems a very personal, and technically adept persons, viewpoint.

This IS, as you identify, an attempt to deliberately attract notice.
You are not the target audience, though, so feel free to us Adblock
:-) problem solved!


 Also on the subject of flow:

 A: Because it reverses the normal reading flow.

 Q: ...


I think you might have gotten this the wrong way round ;-)

Tom

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[Wikimedia-l] next Wikidata office hours

2012-12-05 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Heya :)

On 18 December Denny and I will do the next round of Wikidata office
hours. Everyone with questions about Wikidata is welcome.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Events#IRC_office_hours


Cheers
Lydia

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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 8, Issue 49 -- 03 December 2012

2012-12-05 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
News and notes: Wiki Loves Monuments announces 2012 winner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-12-03/News_and_notes

Discussion report: Concise Wikipedia; standardize version history tables
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-12-03/Discussion_report

WikiProject report: The White Rose: WikiProject Yorkshire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-12-03/WikiProject_report

Featured content: The play's the thing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-12-03/Featured_content

Technology report: MediaWiki problems but good news for Toolserver stability
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-12-03/Technology_report


Single page view
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signpost/Single

PDF version
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-12-03


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-05 Thread MZMcBride
Nathan wrote:
 It's been clear to me, and seemingly other people, that Zack and the
 fundraising team take their task very seriously, and are extraordinarily
 thoughtful in all of their plans and interactions - with folks on the
 mailing list, with editors and other stakeholders, and with readers. The
 fundraising drive this year is head and shoulders above any prior effort by
 virtually any possible measure.
 
 To take a two word phrase in a short e-mail out of that greater context,
 and use it to imply that Zack is treating site visitors as though they're
 simply playthings does Zack a great disservice, and does you no
 credit. Try to keep in mind that Wikimedia employees are people with
 feelings and pride in their work, and in the future take more care with
 comments that impugn their work, professionalism and character.

Yes, you're right. It wasn't fair to quote in the way that I did. It came
close to twisting words and it unfortunately buried the larger point that I
was trying to make about experimenting on users and the lack of general
guidance in this area. I shouldn't have done that and I apologize.

And while you're certainly right that employees are often protective of
their work, you can see how Wikimedians are often protective of theirs?
Fundraising banners are safely categorized as a necessary evil these days,
but when they begin to intrude on page content or intrude on mouse hover, I
believe that crosses a line.

Finally, I've said previously that Wikimedians (or Wikipedians, rather)
complain loudly, but congratulate softly. Megan and her team have done
amazing work this year and I agree with you and others who rate this as the
best and most successful annual fundraiser in Wikimedia's history. And not
that money is the only thing that matters, but in terms of comparison to
other years, this year has apparently just blown them away:
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:FundraiserStatistics. It's
very impressive work and I hope nobody on the fundraising team feels as
though it's gone unnoticed.

MZMcBride



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