Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-09 Thread Kim Bruning
On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 07:45:41AM +, David Gerard wrote:
 Right. So anyone in this thread going into detail about en:wp policies
 is actually not addressing this, and the problem is on a higher level?

:-/ Back to the drawing board. That actually makes
the problem a lot harder!

(does mean we know where to start looking though)


sincerely,
Kim Bruning

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] telenor and serbia, india, ... experiences after one year?

2013-01-09 Thread Kul Wadhwa
Hi Rupert,

With regards to the Telenor territories, last year we have launched in
Malaysia, Montenegro  Thailand:

https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mobile_partnerships#Where_is_Wikipedia_free_to_access.3F

In the December WMF monthly metrics meeting I reported we've seen the
following growth in Unique Users in Malaysia and Montenegro: a 39% unique
user growth rate in Malaysia over the first three months since our launch
(starting from a larger base) and a 96% unique user growth rate in two
months in Montenegro. (Thailand launched later so we're still putting that
data together). Therefore it appears that our program is getting new people
access to Wikipedia. In regards to reporting, the main issue we've had is
that Telenor customers get zero-rated access to Wikipedia primarily through
the Opera Mini browser and we had problems getting accurate data on overall
PV growth because Opera uses a proxy which makes it difficult to determine
the originating partner. However, we've been working with our analytics
team and have finally solved this problem just a few days ago. We should be
able to have better info within the next couple months.

At this moment we have better data on our Africa launches. In general we're
seen steady month-over-month growth in PV's from zero-rated access. One of
my team members, Amit Kapoor, wrote a blog post about it which you can find
here:

http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/10/29/wikipedia-zero-grows-readership-in-africa-and-asia/

We need to improve our reporting so the analytics team @ WMF is making
mobile analytics (and partner reporting) to be the main priority over the
next couple months. We plan to have have more detailed reports of all our
mobile deployments very soon and we'll put that in a place that easily
accessible. Also, we plan to have several case studies of our findings
available over the next few months as well, which will include both
quantitative and qualitative info and will reveal our other learnings.

In regards to Serbia and India...we had a few difficulties launching them
earlier but they should be coming online soon. And we plan to have several
other big launches to announce within the next few weeks. Stay tuned.

oh...and Happy New Year too!

--Kul

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 9:56 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.comwrote:

 hi,

 as the telenor cooperation now runs nearly for one year, are there
 already any experiences out of it? is it a reality meanwhile, how many
 users benefitted from the offer, are there any other learnings?

 here for example serbia, and india are not listed:
 http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mobile_Partnerships_Q_and_A

 best regards, and a late happy new year,

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-09 Thread Kim Bruning
On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 04:50:39PM -0800, George Herbert wrote:
  The correct solution to newbies being chased off is not ban them upfront. 
  The
  correct solution is to deal with those chasing off the newbies ;-)
 
 There is a tremendous difference between a clickthrough warning that
 one might be wading into a dangerous topic, and a ban of a type or
 class of users from articles or topic areas.

Ah, I see what you're getting at now! 

As a temp measure, it's better than nothing, I suppose,
though the underlying problem should also be dealt with,
possibly by use of  DRN or similar.

sincerely,
Kim Bruning

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-09 Thread Nikola Smolenski

On 09/01/13 10:03, Kim Bruning wrote:

On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 07:45:41AM +, David Gerard wrote:

Right. So anyone in this thread going into detail about en:wp policies
is actually not addressing this, and the problem is on a higher level?


:-/ Back to the drawing board. That actually makes
the problem a lot harder!

(does mean we know where to start looking though)


I am not sure that Facebook is the problem. 
http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=wikipedia,facebook does show that 
Facebook overtook Wikipedia sometime in 2007, but that happened 
relatively slowly.


Having said that, there have been suggestions to introduce social 
networking features in Wikipedia. WikiLove is a step in that direction. 
So, what could be the next step? Befriend users and see their edits and 
new articles? Like edits and articles?


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-09 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 10:32:00 +0100, Nikola Smolenski wrote:

On 09/01/13 10:03, Kim Bruning wrote:



Having said that, there have been suggestions to introduce social
networking features in Wikipedia. WikiLove is a step in that
direction. So, what could be the next step? Befriend users and see
their edits and new articles? Like edits and articles?

Actually, befriending users (in particular, IP) was proposed some time 
ago on English Wikipedia and received support, but no action was taken. 
This would be an excellent means to watch for vandal contributions from 
problematic IPs which only show up once in several months, vandalize an 
article and disappear.


Cheers
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[Wikimedia-l] Monthly Report Wikimedia Deutschland December 2012

2013-01-09 Thread Katja Ullrich
Dear all,

Wikimedia Deutschland's monthly report for December 2012 comes to you with
warm wishes for the new year.

Highlights this month:
* updates about the *annual fundraising campaign* where we focused on
personal appeals by Wikipedians and donors, as well as a special video
appeal
* WMDE sent out the first *election questionnaire* for 2013. Since there
will be three state elections and a federal election in Germany this year,
this questionnaire is the start of a series.
* a short review of the* OTRS team meeting* which took place in December

You can find the report here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Deutschland/December_2012

Best wishes,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] telenor and serbia, india, ... experiences after one year?

2013-01-09 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Kul Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 In regards to Serbia and India...we had a few difficulties launching them
 earlier but they should be coming online soon. And we plan to have several
 other big launches to announce within the next few weeks. Stay tuned.

Telenor promotes Wikipedia Zero in their branches in Serbia. Although
I don't think that there were other kinds of their PR activities.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Consequences, risks and side-effects of “non-commercial” licenses

2013-01-09 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
Please, see bellow the message of Joris. Since he is not subscrived,
his e-mail returned.

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Joris Pekel joris.pe...@okfn.org wrote:
 Hi all,

 we have used Transifex to translate the document and the source text can be
 found there.
 https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/NC-License
 I have just set up a Portugese translation which people can join. Other
 languages can be added to.

 Best,

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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 9, Issue 02 -- 07 January 2013

2013-01-09 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
Op-ed: Meta, where innovative ideas die
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-01-07/Op-ed

News and notes: 2012—the big year
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-01-07/News_and_notes

WikiProject report: Where Are They Now? ''Episode IV: A New Year''
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-01-07/WikiProject_report

Featured content: Featured content in review
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-01-07/Featured_content

Technology report: Looking ahead to 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-01-07/Technology_report


Single page view
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signpost/Single

PDF version
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-01-07


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[Wikimedia-l] A related project's perspective on WMF

2013-01-09 Thread Andrew Gray
I've noticed this discussion on the OpenStreetMap mailing list:

http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2013-January/065624.html  onwards

There's a few parallels being drawn there (both good and bad) to
Wikimedia, to the way it's developed over time, and to what degree
this should be a model for similar organisations like OSM, eg/

http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2013-January/065648.html
http://osm.gryph.de/2012/04/learn-from-wikipedia/

Quite an interesting perspective!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A related project's perspective on WMF

2013-01-09 Thread Jon Davies
Makes me nostalgic.

On 9 January 2013 13:02, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote:

 I've noticed this discussion on the OpenStreetMap mailing list:

 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2013-January/065624.html 
 onwards

 There's a few parallels being drawn there (both good and bad) to
 Wikimedia, to the way it's developed over time, and to what degree
 this should be a model for similar organisations like OSM, eg/

 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2013-January/065648.html
 http://osm.gryph.de/2012/04/learn-from-wikipedia/

 Quite an interesting perspective!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-09 Thread Fred Bauder
 On 09/01/13 10:03, Kim Bruning wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 07:45:41AM +, David Gerard wrote:
 Right. So anyone in this thread going into detail about en:wp policies
 is actually not addressing this, and the problem is on a higher level?

 :-/  Back to the drawing board. That actually makes
 the problem a lot harder!

 (does mean we know where to start looking though)

 I am not sure that Facebook is the problem.
 http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=wikipedia,facebook does show that
 Facebook overtook Wikipedia sometime in 2007, but that happened
 relatively slowly.

 Having said that, there have been suggestions to introduce social
 networking features in Wikipedia. WikiLove is a step in that direction.
 So, what could be the next step? Befriend users and see their edits and
 new articles? Like edits and articles?

We could have lists of friends. Although some would actually be enemies
lists. 172 continues to edit under several names. If I wanted to spend
all my time reversing his point of view edits a friends list with his
socks on it would be useful. This nicely illustrates the problem that
making the editing atmosphere better for some requires making it
punishing for others.

Fred



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[Wikimedia-l] Featuring the edit tab in Vector (by making it red)

2013-01-09 Thread Jan Kučera
Hi there,

everybody speaks here about editor retention and how we dont know the
reasons for editing decline. What about highlighting the the edit tab some
special color (maybe red) like this:

http://postimage.org/image/u7060y3bf/

Kozuch
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Featuring the edit tab in Vector (by making it red)

2013-01-09 Thread Richard Nevell
Given that our editors will always be a fraction of our readership, we want
to provide a pleasant reading experience and I don't think a red edit
button (at least in the manner proposed) would help with that. Something
more discrete such as bolding the word edit may serve to place more
emphasis on it.

Richard Nevell

On 9 January 2013 18:43, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi there,

 everybody speaks here about editor retention and how we dont know the
 reasons for editing decline. What about highlighting the the edit tab some
 special color (maybe red) like this:

 http://postimage.org/image/u7060y3bf/

 Kozuch
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Featuring the edit tab in Vector (by making it red)

2013-01-09 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2013/1/9 Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com:
 Hi there,

 everybody speaks here about editor retention and how we dont know the
 reasons for editing decline. What about highlighting the the edit tab some
 special color (maybe red) like this:

Similar things were done in Wikipedias in several languages.

The edit link is bold in Catalan (ca), Basque (eu) and Croatian (hr).
It is even more emphasized in Low German (nds).

I believe that Polish and French had special designs for it in the
past, but they appear to be regular now.

How effective was it? I don't know.

Doing an A/B test of this should be quite easy, and can be done in any language.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Featuring the edit tab in Vector (by making it red)

2013-01-09 Thread Mono
I'm sorry, but that is rather ugly. However, a new Wikipedia interface
could definitely make the read/edit switcher more prominent or we could
have a echo-style popup.


On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Amir E. Aharoni 
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:

 2013/1/9 Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com:
  Hi there,
 
  everybody speaks here about editor retention and how we dont know the
  reasons for editing decline. What about highlighting the the edit tab
 some
  special color (maybe red) like this:

 Similar things were done in Wikipedias in several languages.

 The edit link is bold in Catalan (ca), Basque (eu) and Croatian (hr).
 It is even more emphasized in Low German (nds).

 I believe that Polish and French had special designs for it in the
 past, but they appear to be regular now.

 How effective was it? I don't know.

 Doing an A/B test of this should be quite easy, and can be done in any
 language.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] telenor and serbia, india, ... experiences after one year?

2013-01-09 Thread rupert THURNER
hi kul,

thanks, i am already curious for the news! i have a hard time to
understand e.g. malaysia numbers as there is no point of comparison
like total over time. especially an absulute number of page views, or
users would be really great.

for orange in africa, the numbers are indeed interesting. just let me
repeat them, roundet to tousand page views per month and the growth
from june to september 2012:
orange  rest
niger7(+4) 60(+3)
kenya   50(+20) 4'000(-300)
%orange 12% 1.5%

in kenya there are 300 thousand less page views a month within 4
months time. and orange has 20T more. interesting strategy of orange,
they seem to roll it out in countries where their market share does
not live up to the usual orange standard :)  and what is with the
other 99% of kenyan mobile users?

rupert


On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Kul Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 Hi Rupert,

 With regards to the Telenor territories, last year we have launched in
 Malaysia, Montenegro  Thailand:

 https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mobile_partnerships#Where_is_Wikipedia_free_to_access.3F

 In the December WMF monthly metrics meeting I reported we've seen the
 following growth in Unique Users in Malaysia and Montenegro: a 39% unique
 user growth rate in Malaysia over the first three months since our launch
 (starting from a larger base) and a 96% unique user growth rate in two
 months in Montenegro. (Thailand launched later so we're still putting that
 data together). Therefore it appears that our program is getting new people
 access to Wikipedia. In regards to reporting, the main issue we've had is
 that Telenor customers get zero-rated access to Wikipedia primarily through
 the Opera Mini browser and we had problems getting accurate data on overall
 PV growth because Opera uses a proxy which makes it difficult to determine
 the originating partner. However, we've been working with our analytics
 team and have finally solved this problem just a few days ago. We should be
 able to have better info within the next couple months.

 At this moment we have better data on our Africa launches. In general we're
 seen steady month-over-month growth in PV's from zero-rated access. One of
 my team members, Amit Kapoor, wrote a blog post about it which you can find
 here:

 http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/10/29/wikipedia-zero-grows-readership-in-africa-and-asia/

 We need to improve our reporting so the analytics team @ WMF is making
 mobile analytics (and partner reporting) to be the main priority over the
 next couple months. We plan to have have more detailed reports of all our
 mobile deployments very soon and we'll put that in a place that easily
 accessible. Also, we plan to have several case studies of our findings
 available over the next few months as well, which will include both
 quantitative and qualitative info and will reveal our other learnings.

 In regards to Serbia and India...we had a few difficulties launching them
 earlier but they should be coming online soon. And we plan to have several
 other big launches to announce within the next few weeks. Stay tuned.

 oh...and Happy New Year too!

 --Kul

 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 9:56 PM, rupert THURNER 
 rupert.thur...@gmail.comwrote:

 hi,

 as the telenor cooperation now runs nearly for one year, are there
 already any experiences out of it? is it a reality meanwhile, how many
 users benefitted from the offer, are there any other learnings?

 here for example serbia, and india are not listed:
 http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mobile_Partnerships_Q_and_A

 best regards, and a late happy new year,

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Featuring the edit tab in Vector (by making it red)

2013-01-09 Thread Jan Kučera
Yes this was quick (and maybe little ugly) mockup, but the idea is simple.
Someone from E3 team around here for comments?


2013/1/9 Mono monom...@gmail.com

 I'm sorry, but that is rather ugly. However, a new Wikipedia interface
 could definitely make the read/edit switcher more prominent or we could
 have a echo-style popup.


 On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Amir E. Aharoni 
 amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:

  2013/1/9 Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com:
   Hi there,
  
   everybody speaks here about editor retention and how we dont know the
   reasons for editing decline. What about highlighting the the edit tab
  some
   special color (maybe red) like this:
 
  Similar things were done in Wikipedias in several languages.
 
  The edit link is bold in Catalan (ca), Basque (eu) and Croatian (hr).
  It is even more emphasized in Low German (nds).
 
  I believe that Polish and French had special designs for it in the
  past, but they appear to be regular now.
 
  How effective was it? I don't know.
 
  Doing an A/B test of this should be quite easy, and can be done in any
  language.
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Featuring the edit tab in Vector (by making it red)

2013-01-09 Thread Matthew Roth
Steven's link, without the extra is in it:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editor_engagement_experiments

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com wrote:

  Yes this was quick (and maybe little ugly) mockup, but the idea is
 simple.
  Someone from E3 team around here for comments?
 

 Hey, E3 team member here.

 I agree with Sage for sure. The real value of A/B testing this particular
 change or a variation of it, is to help everyone decide what the ideal
 change might be (e.g. red vs bold vs an icon) and what impact each of those
 options have in comparison to each other and/or to a baseline. That way we
 can still make judgement calls with the input of design expertise and even
 consensus, but conversation can form around data, rather than just opinion.

 If anyone wants to write a description of a test like this they want to
 see, then you are always welcome to post it to MediaWiki.org or Meta, and
 get our attention. Being bold and adding it to the list of planned
 experiments
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editor_engagement_experimentsis
 a good way to do so. :)

 Even if we may not always have the bandwidth to do these experiments
 ourselves immediately, we are always happy to gather ideas for future work,
 since we regularly have time to run smaller experiments on the side. We can
 also help you set up an experiment and work through the data
 collection/analysis cycle.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Featuring the edit tab in Vector (by making it red)

2013-01-09 Thread Steven Walling
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Matthew Roth mr...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Steven's link, without the extra is in it:
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editor_engagement_experiments


Thanks Matthew. :)
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