Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

2013-02-05 Thread Fae
On 5 February 2013 15:05, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
 ... Is it fair to assume that the WMF will take a dim view of
 FDC-allocated funds being transferred to the WCA? I'm sure no chapters
 anticipating an FDC allocation would like to put that at risk.

Would someone sitting on the FDC like to pick this one up?

Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

2013-02-05 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
hi Fae,


 ... Is it fair to assume that the WMF will take a dim view of
  FDC-allocated funds being transferred to the WCA? I'm sure no chapters
  anticipating an FDC allocation would like to put that at risk.

 Would someone sitting on the FDC like to pick this one up?


there's nothing to pick up so far. The FDC has not held any meetings since
(obviously), and it generally operates within the mandate given by the
Board (which makes all decisions, FDC is only making recommendations). I
myself can reveal that I personally believe that for the WCA, or any other
entity basing on similar principles, FDC-based funding model is much better
(in terms of accountability, transparency, and also sensible strategy
creation) than membership fees.

best,

pundit
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

2013-02-05 Thread Ilario Valdelli

On 05.02.2013 16:18, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote:

there's nothing to pick up so far. The FDC has not held any meetings since
(obviously), and it generally operates within the mandate given by the
Board (which makes all decisions, FDC is only making recommendations). I


Strange world that of Wikimedia where everyone makes recommendations to 
someone and for something.


Sorry, is it possible to identify in this strange world the key 
decision makers?


Ilario

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

2013-02-05 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)

Dariusz Jemielniak, 05/02/2013 16:18:

... Is it fair to assume that the WMF will take a dim view of

FDC-allocated funds being transferred to the WCA? I'm sure no chapters
anticipating an FDC allocation would like to put that at risk.


Would someone sitting on the FDC like to pick this one up?



there's nothing to pick up so far. The FDC has not held any meetings since
(obviously), and it generally operates within the mandate given by the
Board (which makes all decisions, FDC is only making recommendations). I
myself can reveal that I personally believe that for the WCA, or any other
entity basing on similar principles, FDC-based funding model is much better
(in terms of accountability, transparency, and also sensible strategy
creation) than membership fees.


The WMF board decision prevents the FDC from even making such a 
suggestion. 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Eligibility_criteria
This is not what Nathan asked, though; Nathan, of course the FDC may 
change their mind, but as for the past the answer to your question is in 
their last recommendations to the board (as far as I can see).


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

2013-02-05 Thread Nathan
Presumably Round 1 disbursements have already been made, which means that
the chapters in receipt of funds can choose to spend them how they see fit.
But I don't recall seeing plans to donate money to the WCA in funding
requests to the FDC, and I suspect that since the WMF has chosen not to
recognize the WCA any chapter that donates a portion of their FDC funding
to the WCA will find it difficult to receive funds again in the current or
subsequent rounds. Nemo seems to be saying that is self-evident, but it
doesn't seem so clear cut to me.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

2013-02-05 Thread Nathan
I misspoke slightly; WCA fees were submitted in budget requests, but the
amounts were removed from the allocations themselves[1]. Sorry for the
inaccuracy there.


[1](
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/FDC_recommendations/2012-2013_round1#The_WCA_and_the_role_of_the_FDC
).


On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Presumably Round 1 disbursements have already been made, which means that
 the chapters in receipt of funds can choose to spend them how they see fit.
 But I don't recall seeing plans to donate money to the WCA in funding
 requests to the FDC, and I suspect that since the WMF has chosen not to
 recognize the WCA any chapter that donates a portion of their FDC funding
 to the WCA will find it difficult to receive funds again in the current or
 subsequent rounds. Nemo seems to be saying that is self-evident, but it
 doesn't seem so clear cut to me.

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[Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement

2013-02-05 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello Kate,

Originally I wrote an inline comment about nearly every phrase of this
WMF board statement concerning the WCA. But then, the statement was
published before I could send the comment to you. Here a summary of my
original text as reply.

In general, the WMF board statement raises more questions than it
answers; it is uncomprehensible to me why such a bold and judgemental
statement was found necessary, at this moment, and for what reason.

During the entire year 2012, we heard from the WMF (board and staff)
many positive signals about the establishment of a Wikimedia Chapters
Association. So I find it very strange to read that in the 'early
stages' the WMF board was optimistic but now suddenly fails to
'envision' a positive development.

When I asked WMF vice director Erik Moeller on March 12th, 2012 about
the name Wikimedia Chapters Association, he was perfectly okay with
it. He even copied for me this sentence from a chapters agreement:
The Chapter is obliged to utilize the Wikimedia logo and name in all
their related activities and is hereby authorized to do so by the
Foundation.

All in a sudden, in late December 2012, a message from the WMF Legal
Counsel Geoff Brigham admonished that the WCA has to follow the usual
steps for recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate. - How came that during
roughly nine months the WMF did not think about this? We were given
the impression that this was rather a formality.

WCA Council Members did have many, many conversations with the WMF
(board and staff), and chapter people. How can anyone say that there
has not been enough 'consulting'?

Concerning movement resources - the WCA hasn't spend much money so
far, and intends just to have one employee in the nearby future.
Considering that the WMF has more than 140 employees, the WMF board
statement's remark about movement resources for the WCA looks very
disproportional. Our plan, encouraged by the FDC, that in future the
WCA would request WMF grants or FDC funds, and at that point the WCA
request would have been considered the same way as any other request.

It is true that the developments in the WCA are some months slower
than everybody expected in July 2012 in Washington. But in comparison
to the early years of the WMF itself, or of many chapters, or of many
other organizations, the developments are not particularly slow. Just
recently we sent out the Secretary General job offer (which can not
have been a surprise to the WMF) and have the final discussions about
the incorporation.

Please keep in mind that democratic processes take longer than
deliberating within a small group. It was the will of more than 20
chapters representing several thousand Wikimedians to establish a
Wikimedia Chapters Association, which of course still exists, even if
the WMF withdraws the name Wikimedia. Especially in the recent
development, with a number of new movement entities, this is a
strange, surprising and more than premature decision.

It would be in the interest of the whole movement to come to a
trustful and cooperative relationship between the WMF and the
chapters. The last months we have seen so many positive signals, such
as the FDC Round 1. The WMF board statement concerning the WCA
insinuates that it has to protect the movement and the trademarks from
harm but leaves it unclear exactly how and why the WCA is harmful. Why
this attitude of distrust regarding the WCA and the chapters, with no
clear justification?

I, personally, have so often defended the WMF, I have assumed good
faith where many others were suspicious. The WMF board statement makes
now undue assumptions about an organization that is not even one year
old. After such a statement, I honestly ask myself what should be my
assumptions about the WMF board and its true intentions.

Yours sincerely,

Ziko van Dijk

Deputy Chairman of the WCA Council
Wikipedia editor since 2003


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

2013-02-05 Thread Deryck Chan
On 5 February 2013 15:30, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 05.02.2013 16:18, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote:

 there's nothing to pick up so far. The FDC has not held any meetings since
 (obviously), and it generally operates within the mandate given by the
 Board (which makes all decisions, FDC is only making recommendations). I


 Strange world that of Wikimedia where everyone makes recommendations to
 someone and for something.

 Sorry, is it possible to identify in this strange world the key decision
 makers?

 Ilario


 Sue. [/me shuts up and hides]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

2013-02-05 Thread Katie Chan

On 05/02/2013 15:50, Nathan wrote:

I misspoke slightly; WCA fees were submitted in budget requests, but the
amounts were removed from the allocations themselves[1]. Sorry for the
inaccuracy there.


[1](
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/FDC_recommendations/2012-2013_round1#The_WCA_and_the_role_of_the_FDC
).


On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:


Presumably Round 1 disbursements have already been made, which means that
the chapters in receipt of funds can choose to spend them how they see fit.
But I don't recall seeing plans to donate money to the WCA in funding
requests to the FDC, and I suspect that since the WMF has chosen not to
recognize the WCA any chapter that donates a portion of their FDC funding
to the WCA will find it difficult to receive funds again in the current or
subsequent rounds. Nemo seems to be saying that is self-evident, but it
doesn't seem so clear cut to me.


FDC / WMF Grants is not the only source of chapter's funding for all 
chapters. (Not that I'm saying asking for 2 or 3 chapters who does have 
such alternative funding to pay for WCA is realistic.)


KTC

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[Wikimedia-l] Only paid toolserver admins accepted by WMF?

2013-02-05 Thread Tim Landscheidt
Hi,

WMDE's Silke wrote at
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.toolserver/5674
regarding the promotion of additional toolserver roots:

| DaB is right: WMF as the database owner accepts only paid roots.
| [...]

Is that statement correct, and what is WMF's rationale for
it?

Tim


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement

2013-02-05 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote:
 I can write a long mail to response the board statement, but past shown me
 – it will be waste of time. Mean less time for my work, my chapter, and my
 personal life.  Cause when the WMF and the Board deciding on something,
 this is last and final decision. They discussion is just for the record. So
 what It worth? But I can't avoid shares my disappointment from the board
 (sadly again) and ours elected community and chapters trustee…

I have to disagree with you. From my experience, it is possible to
change Board's decision. If you are a patient, hardworking and
flamboyant pain in the ass.

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[Wikimedia-l] Anyone from Wikimedia community going to OSCE Freedom of Media conference Internet 2013 in Vienna? (Feb 14-15)

2013-02-05 Thread Marcin Cieslak
Hello,

next week OSCE Freedom of Media Representative
holds Internet 2013 conference in Vienna:

http://www.osce.org/event/internet2013

I was wondering who from Wikimedia
community will be coming to the event?


Marcin Cieślak
saper at plwiki

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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 9, Issue 06 -- 04 February 2013

2013-02-05 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
Special report: Examining the popularity of Wikipedia articles: catalysts, 
trends, and applications
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-02-04/Special_report

In the media: ''Star Trek Into Pedantry''
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-02-04/In_the_media

News and notes: Article Feedback Tool faces community resistance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-02-04/News_and_notes

Featured content: Portal people on potent potables and portable potholes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-02-04/Featured_content

WikiProject report: Land of the Midnight Sun – WikiProject Norway
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-02-04/WikiProject_report

Technology report: Wikidata team targets English Wikipedia deployment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-02-04/Technology_report


Single page view
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[Wikimedia-l] Moodbar gone????

2013-02-05 Thread Richard Ames


From:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:FeedbackDashboard

I get:

No such special page

Have I missed the demise of this tool or is something broken?

Regards, Richard.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moodbar gone????

2013-02-05 Thread John Vandenberg
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Richard Ames rich...@ames.id.au wrote:

 From:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:FeedbackDashboard

 I get:

 No such special page

 Have I missed the demise of this tool or is something broken?

It has been undeployed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Undeployment_of_MoodBar.2FFeedback_Dashboard

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