Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association
On 5 February 2013 15:05, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: ... Is it fair to assume that the WMF will take a dim view of FDC-allocated funds being transferred to the WCA? I'm sure no chapters anticipating an FDC allocation would like to put that at risk. Would someone sitting on the FDC like to pick this one up? Thanks, Fae -- fae...@gmail.com http://j.mp/faewm Guide to email tags: http://j.mp/mfae ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association
hi Fae, ... Is it fair to assume that the WMF will take a dim view of FDC-allocated funds being transferred to the WCA? I'm sure no chapters anticipating an FDC allocation would like to put that at risk. Would someone sitting on the FDC like to pick this one up? there's nothing to pick up so far. The FDC has not held any meetings since (obviously), and it generally operates within the mandate given by the Board (which makes all decisions, FDC is only making recommendations). I myself can reveal that I personally believe that for the WCA, or any other entity basing on similar principles, FDC-based funding model is much better (in terms of accountability, transparency, and also sensible strategy creation) than membership fees. best, pundit ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association
On 05.02.2013 16:18, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: there's nothing to pick up so far. The FDC has not held any meetings since (obviously), and it generally operates within the mandate given by the Board (which makes all decisions, FDC is only making recommendations). I Strange world that of Wikimedia where everyone makes recommendations to someone and for something. Sorry, is it possible to identify in this strange world the key decision makers? Ilario ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association
Dariusz Jemielniak, 05/02/2013 16:18: ... Is it fair to assume that the WMF will take a dim view of FDC-allocated funds being transferred to the WCA? I'm sure no chapters anticipating an FDC allocation would like to put that at risk. Would someone sitting on the FDC like to pick this one up? there's nothing to pick up so far. The FDC has not held any meetings since (obviously), and it generally operates within the mandate given by the Board (which makes all decisions, FDC is only making recommendations). I myself can reveal that I personally believe that for the WCA, or any other entity basing on similar principles, FDC-based funding model is much better (in terms of accountability, transparency, and also sensible strategy creation) than membership fees. The WMF board decision prevents the FDC from even making such a suggestion. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Eligibility_criteria This is not what Nathan asked, though; Nathan, of course the FDC may change their mind, but as for the past the answer to your question is in their last recommendations to the board (as far as I can see). Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association
Presumably Round 1 disbursements have already been made, which means that the chapters in receipt of funds can choose to spend them how they see fit. But I don't recall seeing plans to donate money to the WCA in funding requests to the FDC, and I suspect that since the WMF has chosen not to recognize the WCA any chapter that donates a portion of their FDC funding to the WCA will find it difficult to receive funds again in the current or subsequent rounds. Nemo seems to be saying that is self-evident, but it doesn't seem so clear cut to me. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association
I misspoke slightly; WCA fees were submitted in budget requests, but the amounts were removed from the allocations themselves[1]. Sorry for the inaccuracy there. [1]( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/FDC_recommendations/2012-2013_round1#The_WCA_and_the_role_of_the_FDC ). On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Presumably Round 1 disbursements have already been made, which means that the chapters in receipt of funds can choose to spend them how they see fit. But I don't recall seeing plans to donate money to the WCA in funding requests to the FDC, and I suspect that since the WMF has chosen not to recognize the WCA any chapter that donates a portion of their FDC funding to the WCA will find it difficult to receive funds again in the current or subsequent rounds. Nemo seems to be saying that is self-evident, but it doesn't seem so clear cut to me. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement
Hello Kate, Originally I wrote an inline comment about nearly every phrase of this WMF board statement concerning the WCA. But then, the statement was published before I could send the comment to you. Here a summary of my original text as reply. In general, the WMF board statement raises more questions than it answers; it is uncomprehensible to me why such a bold and judgemental statement was found necessary, at this moment, and for what reason. During the entire year 2012, we heard from the WMF (board and staff) many positive signals about the establishment of a Wikimedia Chapters Association. So I find it very strange to read that in the 'early stages' the WMF board was optimistic but now suddenly fails to 'envision' a positive development. When I asked WMF vice director Erik Moeller on March 12th, 2012 about the name Wikimedia Chapters Association, he was perfectly okay with it. He even copied for me this sentence from a chapters agreement: The Chapter is obliged to utilize the Wikimedia logo and name in all their related activities and is hereby authorized to do so by the Foundation. All in a sudden, in late December 2012, a message from the WMF Legal Counsel Geoff Brigham admonished that the WCA has to follow the usual steps for recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate. - How came that during roughly nine months the WMF did not think about this? We were given the impression that this was rather a formality. WCA Council Members did have many, many conversations with the WMF (board and staff), and chapter people. How can anyone say that there has not been enough 'consulting'? Concerning movement resources - the WCA hasn't spend much money so far, and intends just to have one employee in the nearby future. Considering that the WMF has more than 140 employees, the WMF board statement's remark about movement resources for the WCA looks very disproportional. Our plan, encouraged by the FDC, that in future the WCA would request WMF grants or FDC funds, and at that point the WCA request would have been considered the same way as any other request. It is true that the developments in the WCA are some months slower than everybody expected in July 2012 in Washington. But in comparison to the early years of the WMF itself, or of many chapters, or of many other organizations, the developments are not particularly slow. Just recently we sent out the Secretary General job offer (which can not have been a surprise to the WMF) and have the final discussions about the incorporation. Please keep in mind that democratic processes take longer than deliberating within a small group. It was the will of more than 20 chapters representing several thousand Wikimedians to establish a Wikimedia Chapters Association, which of course still exists, even if the WMF withdraws the name Wikimedia. Especially in the recent development, with a number of new movement entities, this is a strange, surprising and more than premature decision. It would be in the interest of the whole movement to come to a trustful and cooperative relationship between the WMF and the chapters. The last months we have seen so many positive signals, such as the FDC Round 1. The WMF board statement concerning the WCA insinuates that it has to protect the movement and the trademarks from harm but leaves it unclear exactly how and why the WCA is harmful. Why this attitude of distrust regarding the WCA and the chapters, with no clear justification? I, personally, have so often defended the WMF, I have assumed good faith where many others were suspicious. The WMF board statement makes now undue assumptions about an organization that is not even one year old. After such a statement, I honestly ask myself what should be my assumptions about the WMF board and its true intentions. Yours sincerely, Ziko van Dijk Deputy Chairman of the WCA Council Wikipedia editor since 2003 --- Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland dr. Ziko van Dijk, voorzitter http://wmnederland.nl/ Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht --- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association
On 5 February 2013 15:30, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote: On 05.02.2013 16:18, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: there's nothing to pick up so far. The FDC has not held any meetings since (obviously), and it generally operates within the mandate given by the Board (which makes all decisions, FDC is only making recommendations). I Strange world that of Wikimedia where everyone makes recommendations to someone and for something. Sorry, is it possible to identify in this strange world the key decision makers? Ilario Sue. [/me shuts up and hides] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association
On 05/02/2013 15:50, Nathan wrote: I misspoke slightly; WCA fees were submitted in budget requests, but the amounts were removed from the allocations themselves[1]. Sorry for the inaccuracy there. [1]( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/FDC_recommendations/2012-2013_round1#The_WCA_and_the_role_of_the_FDC ). On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Presumably Round 1 disbursements have already been made, which means that the chapters in receipt of funds can choose to spend them how they see fit. But I don't recall seeing plans to donate money to the WCA in funding requests to the FDC, and I suspect that since the WMF has chosen not to recognize the WCA any chapter that donates a portion of their FDC funding to the WCA will find it difficult to receive funds again in the current or subsequent rounds. Nemo seems to be saying that is self-evident, but it doesn't seem so clear cut to me. FDC / WMF Grants is not the only source of chapter's funding for all chapters. (Not that I'm saying asking for 2 or 3 chapters who does have such alternative funding to pay for WCA is realistic.) KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Only paid toolserver admins accepted by WMF?
Hi, WMDE's Silke wrote at http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.toolserver/5674 regarding the promotion of additional toolserver roots: | DaB is right: WMF as the database owner accepts only paid roots. | [...] Is that statement correct, and what is WMF's rationale for it? Tim ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote: I can write a long mail to response the board statement, but past shown me – it will be waste of time. Mean less time for my work, my chapter, and my personal life. Cause when the WMF and the Board deciding on something, this is last and final decision. They discussion is just for the record. So what It worth? But I can't avoid shares my disappointment from the board (sadly again) and ours elected community and chapters trustee… I have to disagree with you. From my experience, it is possible to change Board's decision. If you are a patient, hardworking and flamboyant pain in the ass. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Anyone from Wikimedia community going to OSCE Freedom of Media conference Internet 2013 in Vienna? (Feb 14-15)
Hello, next week OSCE Freedom of Media Representative holds Internet 2013 conference in Vienna: http://www.osce.org/event/internet2013 I was wondering who from Wikimedia community will be coming to the event? Marcin Cieślak saper at plwiki ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 9, Issue 06 -- 04 February 2013
Special report: Examining the popularity of Wikipedia articles: catalysts, trends, and applications http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-02-04/Special_report In the media: ''Star Trek Into Pedantry'' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-02-04/In_the_media News and notes: Article Feedback Tool faces community resistance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-02-04/News_and_notes Featured content: Portal people on potent potables and portable potholes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-02-04/Featured_content WikiProject report: Land of the Midnight Sun â WikiProject Norway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-02-04/WikiProject_report Technology report: Wikidata team targets English Wikipedia deployment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-02-04/Technology_report Single page view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signpost/Single PDF version http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-02-04 http://identi.ca/wikisignpost / https://twitter.com/wikisignpost -- Wikipedia Signpost Staff http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Moodbar gone????
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:FeedbackDashboard I get: No such special page Have I missed the demise of this tool or is something broken? Regards, Richard. -- We’ve created the greatest collection of shared knowledge in history. Help Wikipedia, Contribute now: https://en.wikipedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moodbar gone????
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Richard Ames rich...@ames.id.au wrote: From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:FeedbackDashboard I get: No such special page Have I missed the demise of this tool or is something broken? It has been undeployed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Undeployment_of_MoodBar.2FFeedback_Dashboard -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
