Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread James Salsman
Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: ... if you have questions that you think we should ask: feel free to suggest them here :) I have these ten questions: 1. What do you think a reasonable goal for the growth of the Wikimedia Education Program over the next five years is? 2. Do you believe that the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2013 scholarship now accepting application

2013-02-18 Thread Liam Wyatt
On Monday, 18 February 2013, Abbas Mahmood wrote: From: liamwy...@gmail.com javascript:; Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:47:06 + To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2013 scholarship now accepting application Hong Kong is an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2013 scholarship now accepting application

2013-02-18 Thread Lodewijk
oh... so replying with I will bring my own food wasn't such a good idea after all? ;-) 2013/2/18 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com On Monday, 18 February 2013, Abbas Mahmood wrote: From: liamwy...@gmail.com javascript:; Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:47:06 + To:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2013 scholarship now accepting application

2013-02-18 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 10:52:13 +0100, Lodewijk wrote: oh... so replying with I will bring my own food wasn't such a good idea after all? ;-) I guess if you have written somewhere that you are Dutch this one becomes redundant. Everybody knows that Dutch bring their own food everywhere.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2013 scholarship now accepting application

2013-02-18 Thread Liam Wyatt
Yes, I think that writing I will bring Stroopwafels gives you an automatic extra 10points in the scholarship assessment ;-) wittylama.com Peace, love metadata On 18 February 2013 21:05, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 10:52:13 +0100, Lodewijk wrote: oh... so

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hey Thanks! I am sure that Alice is grateful for the input. I must confess though that I think that most of these questions require a deep knowledge of the movement and the community and as such disqualify a lot of potential candidates… (I would hazard a guess that none of the past appointed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 February 2013 08:19, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: I have these ten questions: This is ridiculously inside-baseball stuff. It strikes me as possibly a bad idea to turn board selection into something like en:wp RFA. - d. ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
Hi all. I would like to recommend to see the Brazil case where the recruitment of the coordinator of the Catalyst Project was done in partnership with the community http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/01/11/brazil-recruiting-and-partnership-with-the-community-moves-forward/ After the community

[Wikimedia-l] WCA - Meeting Report / WCA - Bericht

2013-02-18 Thread Manuel Schneider
Deutsche Version: siehe unten - german version: see below A short report from the WCA meeting last weekend. This is a personal point of view and might not cover all aspects and details and might contain subjective views. There will be an official report by the chair and you can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hi Sounded like good intervention, thanks for reminding me :) Truth is of course that board Governance Committee is driving this process together with Gayle. That means that multiple community (s)elected board members are involved in the initial screening and that the whole board will be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
Hi, sure I didn't mean every external consultancy is evil. Sorry if I sounded like that. Firstly, the world is not divided between good and evil, like if we had an axis of evil. :P Just as an example, the same company I just criticized had a better performance in another country. Things can vary

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread cyrano
I don't think it's about childish beliefs about evil. Money has a real influence, conflicts of interests are a real thing, and opacity at any stage allow abuses. It has been shown countless times in countless situations, empirically and scientifically, that people in power WILL use it to keep

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2013 scholarship now accepting application

2013-02-18 Thread Deryck Chan
No, because you haven't described what you're bringing :) On the other hand, a detailed, grammatically correct description of stroopwafels will almost certainly gain full marks for the English ability criterion. (And perhaps a bonus for interest in Wikimania if you make a good case) On 18

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Thomas Dalton
I quite like questions 2, 6, 9 and 10 - the answers to those should help to show how well applicants understand our culture and what new insights they can bring to the table. The others are either too obscure for most applicants to be able to give an informed answer or aren't really things the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Anders Wennersten
I would like to promote the idea that this person should be a supporter of counties/language that is less fortunate then most of us, ie where free expression of speech is in threat and where we now see an unfortunate trend to limit the free Internet access. I have spoken with colleagues from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hey And I was not responding specifically to you, no worries! Jan-Bart On Feb 18, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga t...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi, sure I didn't mean every external consultancy is evil. Sorry if I sounded like that. Firstly, the world is not divided between good

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hey I seriously can't follow this, could you explain? Jan-Bart On Feb 18, 2013, at 2:11 PM, cyrano cyrano.faw...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's about childish beliefs about evil. Money has a real influence, conflicts of interests are a real thing, and opacity at any stage allow

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WCA - Meeting Report / WCA - Bericht

2013-02-18 Thread Markus Glaser
Thanks, Manuel, for writing this report! The meeting was conducted in an open and very constructive way with many stakeholders at the table. I think we came to some good and tangible conclusions. The next few weeks will have to prove our plan works in practice. Just for the record:there was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread cyrano
Jan-Bart, can you be more specific? Cheers Le 18/02/2013 10:55, Jan-Bart de Vreede a écrit : Hey I seriously can't follow this, could you explain? Jan-Bart On Feb 18, 2013, at 2:11 PM, cyrano cyrano.faw...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's about childish beliefs about evil. Money has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WCA - Meeting Report / WCA - Bericht

2013-02-18 Thread Fae
Hi Manuel, Thanks for sending around an early quick personal report. I will be sending out a very brief summary of next steps as the Chair shortly to Wikimedia-l, the chapters list and on meta. I need to put in a little time going through the notes on etherpad and I am aiming to release these as

[Wikimedia-l] Interesting research?

2013-02-18 Thread Andrew Gray
Hi all, A speculative question: what's the most novel, thought-provoking, or otherwise interesting piece of research you've seen, either a) using information from Wikipedia (ie extracted text), or b) looking at Wikipedia itself as a subject? I'm giving a talk next month which will cover

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interesting research?

2013-02-18 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
Hi, Andrew. Recently I came to a subject I first listened about 13 years ago in the work of Murray Gell-Mann on complex adaptive systems, when I just started to study physics. I think Wikipedia is an interesting system to analyse such subject. Please, see

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interesting research?

2013-02-18 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
P. S. because of that, I am also really curious on what will happen when someone use a MOOC with Wikipedia. See this proposal, for instance https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikipedia_Massive_Open_Online_Courses It will be quit interesting to see the possibly good effects of students

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interesting research?

2013-02-18 Thread Andy Mabbett
A friend of mine wrote a thesis based on the genres used to describe bands and albums by \Wikipedia and other networks. I'll introduce to you Twitter. On 18 February 2013 15:10, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: Hi all, A speculative question: what's the most novel,

[Wikimedia-l] New proposal for a wiki Project!

2013-02-18 Thread Kevin Behrens
Hello! I have started a proposal for a new wiki project: WikiLang (meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiLang). It is about endangered languages and language documentation/decipherment. It is a very important step in order to save our linguistic diversity which is ongoing faster than the extinction of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2013 scholarship now accepting application

2013-02-18 Thread Karthik Nadar
Beware: You'll get lost in Indian cuisinehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_cuisine. ;) On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.ukwrote: On 18 February 2013 13:15, Deryck Chan deryckc...@wikimedia.hk wrote: No, because you haven't described what you're bringing :)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New proposal for a wiki Project!

2013-02-18 Thread Thomas Goldammer
Hi. Could you explain in more detail (on the wiki page you linked) what the content would look like and how it would differ from the Incubator wiki? For example, would original research be allowed? Best regards, Thomas. 2013/2/18 Kevin Behrens kevin_behr...@hotmail.de: Hello! I have started

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
yes: this bit: I don't think it's about childish beliefs about evil. Money has a real influence, conflicts of interests are a real thing, and opacity at any stage allow abuses. It has been shown countless times in countless situations, empirically and scientifically, that people in power

[Wikimedia-l] Info: [Chapters Association] Next steps from the WCA coordination weekend // 16-17 Feb

2013-02-18 Thread Fae
Dear fellow committed Wikimedians and Chapter enthusiasts, Last weekend a number of Wikimedia Chapters Association Council members, two trustees from the WMF board and some welcome guests, worked together to review in detail the current progress of the association and feedback given by the WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2013 scholarship now accepting application

2013-02-18 Thread Lodewijk
As a true Dutch, I should bring potatoes, peanut butter and hagelslag. Lodewijk 2013/2/18 Deryck Chan deryckc...@wikimedia.hk No, because you haven't described what you're bringing :) On the other hand, a detailed, grammatically correct description of stroopwafels will almost certainly gain

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2013 scholarship now accepting application

2013-02-18 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.orgwrote: As a true Dutch, I should bring potatoes, peanut butter and hagelslag. Sorry, stroopwafels is the only dutch currency we recognize! (pref. with hagelslag) -Theo ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2013 scholarship now accepting application

2013-02-18 Thread Lodewijk
As a true Dutch, I shouldn't even consider to share... it is only to get through the days and survive without having to touch local cuisine... (French and Germans will probably be able to confirm this) :P Lodewijk 2013/2/18 Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Lodewijk

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New proposal for a wiki Project!

2013-02-18 Thread Kevin Behrens
Hello, thank you for your reply. I updated the text now and hope that some questions are answered now.  Von: Thomas Goldammer Gesendet: ‎18‎. ‎Februar‎ ‎2013 ‎17‎:‎48 An: Wikimedia Mailing List Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] New proposal for a wiki Project! Hi. Could you explain in more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2013 scholarship now accepting application

2013-02-18 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.orgwrote: As a true Dutch, I shouldn't even consider to share... it is only to get through the days and survive without having to touch local cuisine... (French and Germans will probably be able to confirm this) :P Now, that's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread cyrano
To ensure a representation of the interests of the community, the determination of a new Board Trustee cannot be influenced by the people within the Board Trustee (and even less by the WMF itself). Otherwise, it would boil down to a disguised form of cooptation. Cooptation is a way to absorb

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hi On Feb 18, 2013, at 8:52 PM, cyrano cyrano.faw...@gmail.com wrote: To ensure a representation of the interests of the community, the determination of a new Board Trustee cannot be influenced by the people within the Board Trustee (and even less by the WMF itself). Otherwise, it would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
cyrano, 18/02/2013 20:52: To ensure a representation of the interests of the community, the determination of a new Board Trustee cannot be influenced by the people within the Board Trustee (and even less by the WMF itself). Otherwise, it would boil down to a disguised form of cooptation. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Jan-Bart de Vreede, 18/02/2013 21:09: I, and most of the non-profit world (not to mention the law ;) respectfully disagree and would argue that the main function of any board of trustees is more governance related. For a good summary of what our Board of Trustees' function is I would refer

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2013 scholarship now accepting application

2013-02-18 Thread Philippe Beaudette
{{Support}} ___ Philippe Beaudette Director, Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 6643 phili...@wikimedia.org On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interesting research?

2013-02-18 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga t...@wikimedia.org wrote: http://wiki.cas-group.net/index.php?title=Self-Organization#Web_2.0_and_Wiki Using google cache because this page is not working (maybe only today?)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread James Salsman
If I were making the decision, I would want to know how well someone would be able to research and articulate a response on these issues even without a substantial amount of background knowledge. So I'm not suggesting the questions are appropriate for anything other than written answers, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New proposal for a wiki Project!

2013-02-18 Thread geni
On 18 February 2013 16:33, Kevin Behrens kevin_behr...@hotmail.de wrote: Hello! I have started a proposal for a new wiki project: WikiLang (meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiLang). It is about endangered languages and language documentation/decipherment. It is a very important step in order to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New proposal for a wiki Project!

2013-02-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The one thing I am really interested in learning is how information about and content in a specific languages will be handled. Information about is likely to be in another language, consequently WHAT language. Content could be in something like Wikisource / Wikibooks. Thanks, Gerard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New proposal for a wiki Project!

2013-02-18 Thread Sarah Stierch
I think the talk page for the proposal would be a brilliant place to discuss concerns and suggestions. Just sayin' :) -Sarah On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: Hoi, The one thing I am really interested in learning is how information about and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread cyrano
Le 18/02/2013 17:09, Jan-Bart de Vreede a écrit : Hi On Feb 18, 2013, at 8:52 PM, cyrano cyrano.faw...@gmail.com wrote: To ensure a representation of the interests of the community, the determination of a new Board Trustee cannot be influenced by the people within the Board Trustee (and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New proposal for a wiki Project!

2013-02-18 Thread Kevin Behrens
Language is identity! Would you like to tell those People that it is not bad when they lose their language. As I mentioned, I am a member of a linguistic minority, too, and I would feel like my human rights where taken if someone tells me I should learn another language because mine is not so

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New proposal for a wiki Project!

2013-02-18 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Feb 18, 2013 10:27 PM, Kevin Behrens kevin_behr...@hotmail.de wrote: Language is identity! Would you like to tell those People that it is not bad when they lose their language. As I mentioned, I am a member of a linguistic minority, too, and I would feel like my human rights where taken if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New proposal for a wiki Project!

2013-02-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, This does not negate the relevance of maintaining information about the languages and the cultures reflected by them. A new project has to be relevant for its own reasons. It has to be relevant to the people who will care for it. Thanks, GerardM On 18 February 2013 23:35, Thomas

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New proposal for a wiki Project!

2013-02-18 Thread Kevin Behrens
Oh, yes please let’s switch to the discussion site! I am totally confused with all the emails and the Mailing list.  Von: Gerard Meijssen Gesendet: ‎18‎. ‎Februar‎ ‎2013 ‎23‎:‎09 An: Wikimedia Mailing List Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] New proposal for a wiki Project! Hoi, The one thing I am

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Nathan
Cyrano - I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of the Board. It is self-perpetuating in every respect; the elections are advisory only, and the actual appointment of Board members is executed by the existing Board. The organization has no members, and no one who is not on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2013 scholarship now accepting application

2013-02-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le lundi 18 février 2013 à 09:16 +, Liam Wyatt a écrit : So... Apparently this is where you are expected to write something that convinces people you have a firm grasp of English. Unfortunately, this is a written test, not an oral test - because an oral test might be quite useful. I know

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2013 scholarship now accepting application

2013-02-18 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le lundi 18 février 2013 à 21:09 +1100, Liam Wyatt a écrit : Yes, I think that writing I will bring Stroopwafels gives you an automatic extra 10points in the scholarship assessment ;-) wittylama.com Peace, love metadata Goddamn[1], why do you tell that only now! [1] Of course you should

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hey Nemo, I seriously have no idea what you are talking about. I looked at the talk page and could not find a hint. In what way is the board manual a highly misleading link? Jan-Bart On Feb 18, 2013, at 9:41 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Jan-Bart de Vreede, 18/02/2013

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Risker
The link you provided said Wikipedia board manual, Jan-Bart. The correct link is: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_board_manual#Roles_and_responsibilities Risker/Anne On 19 February 2013 01:52, Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Hey Nemo, I seriously

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hey (have cut some items to focus on main points) On Feb 18, 2013, at 11:22 PM, cyrano cyrano.faw...@gmail.com wrote: if there is a divergence you can (s)elect different people for those five seats. The appointed seats are intended to help add specific skills/expertise to the board to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
AHHH! Oh wow, thats pretty bad. Funny thing is: I really don't have the board manual url bookmarked (terrible of me) and i googled BOARD MANUAL WIKIMEDIA… and you will never guess what the first result was…. the Wikimedia one doesnt really show up until the 6th result :( sorry about that..

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2013 scholarship now accepting application

2013-02-18 Thread Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
sooo weird... Just some observations, my written English is bad, it is something I have to improve, however, my understanding, both read when listening are close to a native, and my oral production is excellent (:P). And honestly, I will not really use my writing ability in Wikimania or Hong

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WCA - Meeting Report / WCA - Bericht

2013-02-18 Thread Michał Buczyński
Very good summary, I daresay. I would like to add I was happy and a little bit positivilely surprised seeing how we all basicly agree upon a vision of the association as a helpful, light, service and open organization and the focus on delivering tangible results which will require a substantial

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread James Alexander
Snipping a bunch for simplicities sake On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.org wrote: I simply don't agree. a) Chapters are part of the community b) Whenever a vote comes up for an appointed seat that seat obviously does not vote, therefore the