Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will Beback, Arbcom and Community oversight

2013-03-24 Thread Peter Southwood

Is there a policy that requires that he do so? 

- Original Message - 
From: Risker risker...@gmail.com

To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will Beback, Arbcom and Community oversight



On 23 March 2013 20:45, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote:


Have started a sort of RfC regarding Arbcom's recent denial to grant Will
Beback a return to editing
herehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmh649/Will_Beback.
I have a number of concerns regarding this decision. One being that it 
was
made without community input and in secrecy and two the evidence to 
support

the original indefinite ban is so weak. Much of the evidence provided
pertains to Will's position regarding COI and his interactions directly
with Jimmy Wales. In light of current issues with arbcom and seperately
with COI now might be a good time to consider the need for community
oversight of abrcoms activities. Note that I was involved and did see the
private evidence in question. It however is interesting to look at the
public evidence as quoted by arbcom.





James, can you please explain why you have decided this is a 
Wikimedia-wide

issue (and thus posted to this list), while not bothering to notify the
Committee whose decision you are questioning that you are doing so?

Risker
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will Beback, Arbcom and Community oversight

2013-03-24 Thread K. Peachey
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Peter Southwood
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote:
 Is there a policy that requires that he do so? 

Mailing list wise, No. But it is considered good ettique to do so.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will Beback, Arbcom and Community oversight

2013-03-24 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 4:17 AM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote:

 This case partly pertains to how we see as the Wikimedia Movement see
 the interactions between Jimmy Wales, the Wikipedia community and
 Arbcom. It would be interesting to get the perspectives of other
 language versions of Wikipedia.


I'm not certain if there is any common pattern of interactions between the
Arbcoms, the Wikipedia communities, and Jimmy Wales. in any case, I think
that local issues (one local ArbCom decision) should not necessarily be
discussed at international level, unless there is a clear concrete
explanation what can be drawn from them - way too often the English
Wikipedia and its ArbCom are presented and interpreted as THE Wikipedia and
THE ArbCom.

best,

dariusz
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will Beback, Arbcom and Community oversight

2013-03-24 Thread María Sefidari
I agree. Please take this to the English Wikipedia mailing list.

Kind regards,

María

Enviado desde mi dispositivo móvil

El 24/03/2013, a las 07:54, Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.pl escribió:

 On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 4:17 AM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 This case partly pertains to how we see as the Wikimedia Movement see
 the interactions between Jimmy Wales, the Wikipedia community and
 Arbcom. It would be interesting to get the perspectives of other
 language versions of Wikipedia.
 
 
 I'm not certain if there is any common pattern of interactions between the
 Arbcoms, the Wikipedia communities, and Jimmy Wales. in any case, I think
 that local issues (one local ArbCom decision) should not necessarily be
 discussed at international level, unless there is a clear concrete
 explanation what can be drawn from them - way too often the English
 Wikipedia and its ArbCom are presented and interpreted as THE Wikipedia and
 THE ArbCom.
 
 best,
 
 dariusz
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising testing

2013-03-24 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)

Megan Hernandez, 27/02/2013 19:11:

Again, hiding banners from readers who have already seen a banner is new
for us and our goal is to minimize the number of banners our users see.  If
you read Wikipedia anonymously and see more than one banner, please let us
know on the fundraising meta talk page:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fundraising_2013


Is this page still active? (CC open, public list 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/fundraiser .)
I see no answers in last 3 weeks and 7 users with unanswered questions. 
Feedback from users who will think the talk abandoned is lost forever.


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will Beback, Arbcom and Community oversight

2013-03-24 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le samedi 23 mars 2013 à 18:45 -0600, James Heilman a écrit :
 Have started a sort of RfC regarding Arbcom's recent denial to grant Will
 Beback a return to editing
 herehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmh649/Will_Beback.

Hi, could you point me to some relevant pointer to understand what is
arbcom and COI?

kind regards,
mathieu

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will Beback, Arbcom and Community oversight

2013-03-24 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le samedi 23 mars 2013 à 20:54 -0600, James Heilman a écrit :
 So why did I not notify the arbcom list? I am sure all the arbcoms are
 watching this one so I did not see it as necessary.
 […]

haha, who need to watch The Young and the Restless when you can
subscribe to Wikimedia-l. Too bad that I missed a few thousand
episodes. :P

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will Beback, Arbcom and Community oversight

2013-03-24 Thread ENWP Pine
James,

If you're interested in starting a broader discussion about the usefulness 
of arbcoms and alternatives to them, and the relationship of Jimbo to arbcoms,
I think the best place to do that is at Meta. There have also discussions 
there about asking for some kind of outside intervention in the Russian 
Wikipedia due to infighting there, so your request for this kind of
discussion already has a parallel on Meta. But the consensus seems to be 
that outsiders shouldn't overrule the decision of a project's arbcom. I think
it would take a significant Meta RFC to come up with a mechanism that
changes this situation, and right now I think that's highly unlikely. If
you are dissatisfied with a decision made by ENWP Arbcom and you think that
the constitutional arrangements for ENWP Arbcom should be changed, I think
you are best served by having that discussion on ENWP and/or on the ENWP email
list. This is a long way of saying that I agree with Maria and Risker. I feel 
that the tone of Risker's first email should have been more respectful, but I
also understand that Risker and Arbcom probably get an endless series of
complaints and keeping one's composure in that situation can be difficult.

Pine
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will Beback, Arbcom and Community oversight

2013-03-24 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)

ENWP Pine, 24/03/2013 18:39:

If you're interested in starting a broader discussion about the usefulness
of arbcoms and alternatives to them, and the relationship of Jimbo to arbcoms,
I think the best place to do that is at Meta. [...]


I doubt it, the page would get deleted.

Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour inside out (program evaluation)

2013-03-24 Thread ENWP Pine



Tom, I'm glad that you studied the IEP.

Gayle, I would be interested in hearing about the topics that you're
covering during your training sessions for WMF supervisors, especially
whether you make sure that every supervisor has had an opportunity
to learn about the experience of IEP. My impression is that the AFT5
leadership didn't make connections between IEP and AFT5 during
the AFT5 design and planning. I'm not sure if this is because
the AFT5 program leadership never read the IEP report, or if it's
because the AFT5 leadership didn't see how lessons from IEP could be
relevant to the AFT5 program. I hope that every program leader at WMF
makes a point of learning about IEP early in their leadership career.
I think IEP is a very useful case study in program management.

Thanks,

Pine 
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will Beback, Arbcom and Community oversight

2013-03-24 Thread ENWP Pine
 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:00:05 +0100
 From: nemow...@gmail.com
 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 CC: deyntest...@hotmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will Beback, Arbcom and Community oversight
 
 ENWP Pine, 24/03/2013 18:39:
  If you're interested in starting a broader discussion about the usefulness
  of arbcoms and alternatives to them, and the relationship of Jimbo to 
  arbcoms,
  I think the best place to do that is at Meta. [...]
 
 I doubt it, the page would get deleted.
 
 Nemo

An RFC about the topics that I mentioned would be within scope for Meta,
although I'm not predicting a successful RFC.

Pine
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour inside out (program evaluation)

2013-03-24 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
Hi, Pine.

On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Tom, I'm glad that you studied the IEP.

I did this in the beginning mainly through Jessie Wild's support, who
always kept articulating the SF staff for improve the education group
learnings, and Nitika Tandon, now at CIS - a pity I barely talk to Nitika
since a long time ago, although I have called her independently to learn
more once.

Although I have studied, we should have had more time for that. And I
believe now with the learning team this will be improved at WMF. I'll share
here also some thoughts I sent to my colleagues at the former global
develoment efforts mainling list...

I discovered some time ago an organization with interesting ideas
regarding failures, Admiting Failure http://www.admittingfailure.com/.
They say in the main page

We have a conundrum. It is really hard to talk about failure. Admitting
Failure is here to help. This is a community and a resource, created to
establish new levels of transparency, collaboration and innovation within
civil society.

Fear, embarrassment, and intolerance of failure drives our learning
underground. No more. Failure is strength. The most effective and
innovative organizations are those that are willing to speak openly about
their failures. Because the only truly bad failure is one that's
repeated.

Pretty interesting. :)

Also, I discovered an interesting article of professor Daniel Dennett these
days, which I would like also to recommend, How to make
mistakeshttp://ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/papers/howmista.htm,
where I quote

The main difference between science and stage magic is that in science you
make your mistakes in public. You show them off, so that everybody can
learn from them--not just yourself. This way, you get the benefit of
everybody else's experience, and not just your own idiosyncratic path
through the space of mistakes. This, by the way, is what makes us so much
smarter than every other species. It is not so much that our brains are
bigger or more powerful, but that we share the benefits that our individual
brains have won by their individual histories of trial and error.

The secret is knowing when and how to make mistakes, so that nobody gets
hurt and everybody can learn from the experience. It is amazing to me how
many really smart people don't understand this. I know distinguished
researchers who will go to preposterous lengths to avoid having to
acknowledge that they were wrong about something--even something quite
trivial. What they have never noticed, apparently, is that the earth does
not swallow people up when they say, Oops, you're right. I guess I made a
mistake. You will find that people love pointing out your mistakes. If
they are generous-spirited, they will appreciate you more for giving them
the opportunity to help, and acknowledging it when they succeed, and if
they are mean-spirited they will enjoy showing you up. Either way, you--and
we all--win.

Which reminded me a TED talk of Igor Nikolic on Complex Adaptive
Systemshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS0zj_dYeBE I
saw sometime ago, where he says

What we really do is make mistakes all the time. The question is, how can
we make mistakes in such a way we can recover from them? How do we do
social experiments? [...] How do we do without making a big mess? How do we
try different things in a environment without distroying it? And how do we
learn from things that went wrong? That is something that we really have to
address.

We have to grow. What do I mean by that? It has to be a step-by-step thing
evolving, adapting, learning. You cannot jump in the future. [...] And
maybe most importantly, we have to do it together.

Best wishes,

Tom

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Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom)
A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful
than a life spent doing nothing.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Glossary vs. Glossaries

2013-03-24 Thread Seb35

(CC’ing translators-l also.)

Le Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:27:44 +0100, Guillaume Paumier
gpaum...@wikimedia.org a écrit:

Hi,

Last November, I started to clean up on the Glossary page on meta, as
an attempt to revive it and expand it to include many technical terms,
notably related to Wikimedia Engineering (see e-mail below).

There were (and are) already many glossaries spread around the wikis:
* one for MediaWiki: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Glossary
* one for Wikidata: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Glossary
* one for Labs: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Terminology
* two for the English Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Glossary 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiSpeak
* etc.

My thinking at the time was that it would be better to include tech
terms in meta's glossary, because fragmentation isn't a good thing for
glossaries: The user probably doesn't want to search a term through a
dozen glossaries (that they know of), and it would be easier if they
could just search in one place.

The fact is, though, that we're not going to merge all the existing
glossaries into one anytime soon, so overlap and duplication will
remain anyway. Also, it feels weird to have tech content on meta, and
the glossary is getting very long (and possibly more difficult to
maintain). Therefore, I'm now reconsidering the decision of mixing
tech terms and general movement terms on meta.

Below are the current solutions I'm seeing to move forward; I'd love
to get some feedback as to what people think would be the best way to
proceed.

* Status quo: We keep the current glossaries as they are, even if they
overlap and duplicate work. We'll manage.

* Wikidata: If Wikidata could be used to host terms and definitions
(in various languages), and wikis could pull this data using
templates/Lua, it would be a sane way to reduce duplication, while
still allowing local wikis to complement it with their own terms. For
example, administrator is a generic term across Wikimedia sites
(even MediaWiki sites), so it would go into the general glossary
repository on Wikidata; but DYK could be local to the English
Wikipedia. With proper templates, the integration between remote and
local terms could be seamless. It seems to me, however, that this
would require significant development work.

* Google custom search: Waldir recently used Google Custom Search to
created a search tool to find technical information across many pages
and sites where information is currently fragmented:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-March/067450.html
. We could set up a similar tool (or a floss alternative) that would
include all glossaries. By advertising the tool prominently on
existing glossary pages (so that users know it exists), this could
allow us to curate more specific glossaries, while keeping them all
searchable with one tool.

Right now, I'm inclined to go with the custom search solution,
because it looks like the easiest and fastest to implement, while
reducing maintenance costs and remaining flexible. That said, I'd love
to hear feedback and opinions about this before implementing anything.

Thanks,

guillaume



Given each community/wiki develops its own speak, it’s probably better to
keep all pages. Additionally it would be valuable for the global Wikimedia
community to have a simple glossary on meta to ease learning for newcomers
and for translations. So it’s probably good to write down on meta basic
terms and link to specialized glossaries and possibly set up a custom
search as you suggest.

I created some time ago a template on meta for a glossary and applied it
to very basic terms [1], mainly with translation in mind. Another idea is
to use the translate extension on [[meta:Glossary]] to uniformize the
presentation accross languages and to use the translation memory (although
it don’t apply to parts of messages AFAIK). Possibly it can also filled
Extension:WikimediaMessages with some other very basic Wikimedia terms
like editor, FDC, GAC, privacy policy to directly reuse these one
in translations, but it would probably demands a lot of maintenance for
all languages with declensions.

Related to the Wiktionary, some of the terms have a place on the
Wiktionary (analytics, API, backlog, boldness, etc.) but certainly not
all. Given this fact and your suggestion of using Wikidata, I had the idea
of an application based on Wikidata/Omegawiki to create custom
dictionaries, which could hold many specialized lexicons (e.g. wikispeak,
internet slang, etc.). I am going to the [[Wiktionary future]] page :)

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_teams/fr/English-French_Wikimedia_Glossary

~ Seb35


On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Guillaume Paumier
gpaum...@wikimedia.org wrote:

Hi,

The use of jargon, acronyms and other abbreviations throughout the
Wikimedia movement is a major source of communication issues, and
barriers to comprehension and involvement.

The recent thread on this 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour inside out (program evaluation)

2013-03-24 Thread ENWP Pine
Tom,

Thanks for the good email.

It's important to learn from mistakes, but admitting mistakes does not absolve 
someone from accountability. 
When people are being paid to do something right or to achieve a certain 
outcome, and that doesn't happen 
or it happens late, it's sometimes a very good and appropriate thing to 
consider replacing them for the sake
of the organization and the program.

In the case of IEP, the consultant said that firing people would have been 
premature. I'm not sure
that I would have reached the same conclusion, and I think if I had been on 
WMF's board at the time that 
this report was released, I might have had things to say about holding 
individual employees accountable.
But in the here and now, I am mostly interested in making sure that lessons 
from this program are deeply 
embedded into the institutional memory of WMF throughout the organization and 
on a long-term basis. 

Pine
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour inside out (program evaluation)

2013-03-24 Thread Peter Southwood

Make interesting mistakes.

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From: Everton Zanella Alvarenga t...@wikimedia.org

To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Cc: gyo...@wikimedia.org; Nitika Tandon nit...@cis-india.org
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour inside out (program evaluation)



Hi, Pine.

On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com 
wrote:



Tom, I'm glad that you studied the IEP.


I did this in the beginning mainly through Jessie Wild's support, who
always kept articulating the SF staff for improve the education group
learnings, and Nitika Tandon, now at CIS - a pity I barely talk to Nitika
since a long time ago, although I have called her independently to learn
more once.

Although I have studied, we should have had more time for that. And I
believe now with the learning team this will be improved at WMF. I'll 
share

here also some thoughts I sent to my colleagues at the former global
develoment efforts mainling list...

I discovered some time ago an organization with interesting ideas
regarding failures, Admiting Failure http://www.admittingfailure.com/.
They say in the main page

We have a conundrum. It is really hard to talk about failure. Admitting
Failure is here to help. This is a community and a resource, created to
establish new levels of transparency, collaboration and innovation within
civil society.

Fear, embarrassment, and intolerance of failure drives our learning
underground. No more. Failure is strength. The most effective and
innovative organizations are those that are willing to speak openly about
their failures. Because the only truly bad failure is one that's
repeated.

Pretty interesting. :)

Also, I discovered an interesting article of professor Daniel Dennett 
these

days, which I would like also to recommend, How to make
mistakeshttp://ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/papers/howmista.htm,
where I quote

The main difference between science and stage magic is that in science 
you

make your mistakes in public. You show them off, so that everybody can
learn from them--not just yourself. This way, you get the benefit of
everybody else's experience, and not just your own idiosyncratic path
through the space of mistakes. This, by the way, is what makes us so much
smarter than every other species. It is not so much that our brains are
bigger or more powerful, but that we share the benefits that our 
individual

brains have won by their individual histories of trial and error.

The secret is knowing when and how to make mistakes, so that nobody gets
hurt and everybody can learn from the experience. It is amazing to me how
many really smart people don't understand this. I know distinguished
researchers who will go to preposterous lengths to avoid having to
acknowledge that they were wrong about something--even something quite
trivial. What they have never noticed, apparently, is that the earth does
not swallow people up when they say, Oops, you're right. I guess I made a
mistake. You will find that people love pointing out your mistakes. If
they are generous-spirited, they will appreciate you more for giving them
the opportunity to help, and acknowledging it when they succeed, and if
they are mean-spirited they will enjoy showing you up. Either way, 
you--and

we all--win.

Which reminded me a TED talk of Igor Nikolic on Complex Adaptive
Systemshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS0zj_dYeBE I
saw sometime ago, where he says

What we really do is make mistakes all the time. The question is, how can
we make mistakes in such a way we can recover from them? How do we do
social experiments? [...] How do we do without making a big mess? How do 
we

try different things in a environment without distroying it? And how do we
learn from things that went wrong? That is something that we really have 
to

address.

We have to grow. What do I mean by that? It has to be a step-by-step thing
evolving, adapting, learning. You cannot jump in the future. [...] And
maybe most importantly, we have to do it together.

Best wishes,

Tom

--
Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom)
A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful
than a life spent doing nothing.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 108, Issue 82

2013-03-24 Thread ENWP Pine
Peter, thanks, I agree on that point. Taking calculated risks is much different
from being negligent. Some risks work and some don't, and that can be OK in
some contexts.

Pine


From: Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net
To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour inside out (program evaluation)
Message-ID: EB1424C3329A454784D1EDE5684713D7@peter
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour inside out (program evaluation)

2013-03-24 Thread ENWP Pine
And speaking of mistakes, I need to remember to change the subject lines of my 
emails to this list.

Pine

From: deyntest...@hotmail.com
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: RE: Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 108, Issue 82
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:35:58 -0700




Peter, thanks, I agree on that point. Taking calculated risks is much different
from being negligent. Some risks work and some don't, and that can be OK in
some contexts.

Pine


From: Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net
To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour inside out (program evaluation)
Message-ID: EB1424C3329A454784D1EDE5684713D7@peter
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[Wikimedia-l] Szkolenie w Instytucie Informacji Naukowej i Bibliotekoznawstwa, Wrocław - 5 IV 2013

2013-03-24 Thread Michał Buczyński
Witam,

przypominam o projekcie całodniowego szkolenia 5 kwietnia 2013 (piątek) w 
Instytucie Informacji Naukowej i Bibliotekoznawstwa  Uniwersytetu 
Wrocławskiego. Moim zdaniem jest to świetna okazja dotarcia do środowiska 
naukowego, promocji Wikipedii, pozyskania cennych edytorów, nawiązania 
współpracy oraz zdobycia kolejnych doświadczeń.

Szkolenie jest na wiele osób i zgłosiłem część praktyczną. Ponieważ wszyscy 
szkolący wiedzą, jak przydatny jest bezpośredni kontakt szkolącego się z 
instruktorem, wciąż chętnie przygarnę ochotników chętnych pomóc w warsztatach z 
edycji wiki.
 
Zachęcam do zgłaszania się, dysponuję nawet pewnym budżetem na 
kieszonkowe/zwrot kosztów. Dobre towarzystwo i pożytecznie spędzony czas w 
pakiecie. :)

Szczegóły organizacyjne by nie spamować na priv. :)

Pozdrawiam,
michał aegis maelstrom buczyński.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quarterly reviews of high priority WMF initiatives

2013-03-24 Thread Maryana Pinchuk
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 1:08 PM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Tilman,

 Thanks, it's great to see the momentum here in Mobile Contributions.

 Was there any discussion about how to convert the selfies uploaders and
 people who sign up for the watchlist
 feature into more active contributors? This seems like an opportunity to
 make progress on what I think should
 be the #1 WMF-wide priority right now, which making progress on the active
 contributor statistics.


Yes, those selfies are a very fascinating user group :) It's pretty early
in the game, but I think we can already make some statements about the
kinds of mobile web users we're seeing trying out our features: they're
very international, very new to the Wikimedia ecosystem, and very excited
to be a part of Wikipedia. Not surprisingly, they don't quite know how to
contribute yet, but this is a good problem to have! Far better than needing
to convince completely uninterested users to contribute or malicious
vandals/spammers to stop.

There are some elements of targeted education that we're planning on adding
to the UI to help: we've built a mobile friendly upload contributions view,
and we'll be adding on a lightweight mini tutorial for new users who have
never uploaded to Commons before (an early mockup
herehttps://www.dropbox.com/sh/oqgwmlwlpdwhff3/FrXZvJJTMK#/).
But the tiny mobile screen is just not conducive to long information-dense
tutorials like the desktop UploadWizard, so I think the most successful way
of educating new mobile web users is simply to guide them directly to the
kind of work that needs to get done, and to make it as painless and
rewarding as possible for them to do it.

That's why we created the one-step lead image upload/add to article
workflow for articles with no images, and why we're working on a Nearby
view that lets users see all the articles around them that could use an
image. This takes all the guesswork out of what kinds of images are
appropriate to upload, a problem that the selfies appear to be acutely
afflicted by :) It also provides a constant source of more stuff to do. I
think as long as we continue to build crystal-clear, new-user-friendly, and
intrinsically valuable workflows, we'll have a much easier time converting
some of these curious one-off users into productive contributors.

-- 
Maryana Pinchuk
Associate Product Manager, Wikimedia Foundation
wikimediafoundation.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quarterly reviews of high priority WMF initiatives

2013-03-24 Thread ENWP Pine
Awesome. Thank you, Maryana and Steven!

Pine
  
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