[Wikimedia-l] Economy of the United States

2013-04-08 Thread Alex Peek
Here is the proposed format for the project http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_States#Creditors ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Economy of the United States

2013-04-08 Thread Jane Darnell
Alex, Very cool, that is exactly what I meant! Now you need to offer team members the red links to work on. You do this by linking out from your overview page to the subpages. I did one example for [[Finance and insurance (industry)|Finance and insurance]]. I see that we already have a redirect

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Economy of the United States

2013-04-08 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Please move this discussion to WikiEN-l thanks. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Global Economic Map

2013-04-08 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-04-06 17:43, Alex Peek a écrit : I would love to see a Wiki project map out the global economy. In an organized format all local/country economic data would be collected. All authors would be required to write articles according to a standardized format. The model revolves around

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Gadgets

2013-04-08 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 8 April 2013 06:58, Peter Gervai g...@grin.hu wrote: On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Martin Rulsch martin.rul...@wikimedia.de wrote: Free give-aways are okay. But a shop where Wiki* stuff can be sold, might be a problem. Possibly out of the tread but let me comment that anyone anytime

[Wikimedia-l] The value of Wikipedia for the economy

2013-04-08 Thread Lodewijk
Hi all, Last weekend we had a discussion about how to 'sell' the importance of Wikipedia to economics-focused people (a.k.a. politicians etc), and the question came up on how much Wikipedia contributes to the global economy. Many people access it daily, and the information they get from that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The value of Wikipedia for the economy

2013-04-08 Thread Fred Bauder
The value would be obvious if Wikipedia were a for profit company listed on the stock markets. Not that it would have a real value identical to a computation based on imagined advertising revenue. It is in the billions though. Fred Hi all, Last weekend we had a discussion about how to 'sell'

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The value of Wikipedia for the economy

2013-04-08 Thread Andrew Gray
The Economist had an estimate recently: http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21573091-how-quantify-gains-internet-has-brought-consumers-net-benefits http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2013/03/technology-2 - of approximately $50m value to readers. It's a pretty vague

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The value of Wikipedia for the economy

2013-04-08 Thread Anders Wennersten
In preparation of the strategic planning a few years ago, we at the Audi committee made some calculation to estimate the theoretical potential of donation from different perspectives, like what other NGO got. We then come to the standpoint that the potential was several times that of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The value of Wikipedia for the economy

2013-04-08 Thread Lodewijk
However, those numbers are not exactly what I'm looking for. I do not want to know what it would be worth as a company, or how much people are willing to pay for it. But how big is the impact? How much positive value does Wikipedia add to the world economy? I hope this number is significantly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The value of Wikipedia for the economy

2013-04-08 Thread Lodewijk
(sorry, this came off a bit too sharp :) Thanks for all the input, anything is better than nothing of course!) 2013/4/8 Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org However, those numbers are not exactly what I'm looking for. I do not want to know what it would be worth as a company, or how much

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The value of Wikipedia for the economy

2013-04-08 Thread Fred Bauder
Don't worry. Any one who has thought about this sort of thing much has come away more puzzled than when they began. What for example is the value of a cigarette? The price is rather easy. Fred (sorry, this came off a bit too sharp :) Thanks for all the input, anything is better than nothing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The value of Wikipedia for the economy

2013-04-08 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-04-08 16:13, Federico Leva (Nemo) a écrit : Fred Bauder, 08/04/2013 15:38: Don't worry. Any one who has thought about this sort of thing much has come away more puzzled than when they began. What for example is the value of a cigarette? The price is rather easy. Better example: what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The value of Wikipedia for the economy

2013-04-08 Thread Alex Peek
Clay Shirky talks about the importance of online collaboration: http://www.ted.com/talks/clay_shirky_on_institutions_versus_collaboration.html On 8 April 2013 07:13, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Fred Bauder, 08/04/2013 15:38: Don't worry. Any one who has thought about this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The value of Wikipedia for the economy

2013-04-08 Thread Lodewijk
Libraries are indeed a very interesting comparison. There are numerous studies into valuing the economic value of libraries, with varying definitions, including [1] from 2002 estimating the economic value of the British library system and [2] giving an overview of different studies and their

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The value of Wikipedia for the economy

2013-04-08 Thread Tilman Bayer
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: The Economist had an estimate recently: http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21573091-how-quantify-gains-internet-has-brought-consumers-net-benefits

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The value of Wikipedia for the economy

2013-04-08 Thread Balázs Viczián
Just measure up the homework-for-hire market, what Wikipedia had almost ruined; that would be already millions of $ worldwide :) B. 2013/4/8 Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org However, those numbers are not exactly what I'm looking for. I do not want to know what it would be worth as a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The value of Wikipedia for the economy

2013-04-08 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 8 April 2013 13:36, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: The Economist had an estimate recently: http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21573091-how-quantify-gains-internet-has-brought-consumers-net-benefits

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more

2013-04-08 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
The question by Florence on contacts is still pending. :) I know/think officewiki is used for most WMF internal contact info, except emergency contact info hosted (also) elsewhere (or on dev' mobiles :p ) for when the cluster is down. Something more general and scalable would be nice.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more

2013-04-08 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 4 April 2013 13:16, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com wrote: Incidently... given that most people would not be willing to publicly post their phone number and possibly other personal information... and that a wiki is actually not necessarily the best place to do such a thing, has it ever

Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

2013-04-08 Thread George Herbert
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Romaine Wiki romaine_w...@yahoo.com wrote: On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 12:31:29, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: I can't see what would be sensitive in the article.. I think that the existence of the article is considered too sensitive for them, not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

2013-04-08 Thread Fred Bauder
No, some information which is classified is also contained within reliable published sources available to the public and we use that information in our articles, along with occasional original research which may due to good guesses also contain such information. There are not two separate worlds

Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

2013-04-08 Thread George Herbert
He didn't want to talk about which topic areas, but I have a pretty good idea of a few of them. I would hazard a guess that nuclear weapons design is one of them; there's a diagram on-wiki that would have been Top Secret - Restricted Data - Secure Compartmented Information - Sigma 16 until

Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

2013-04-08 Thread JP Béland
Could you share some examples of those articles where journalist report that story, please? Thanks, JP Beland aka Amqui 2013/4/6, Adrienne Alix adrienne.a...@wikimedia.fr: Hi folks, We published a blogpost in french :

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Global Economic Map

2013-04-08 Thread Jane Darnell
Mathieu, I just watched a Dutch documentary about this same issue last week. The main gist of the documentary is that the corporations avoid taxes in a structured way: they go to tax havens or take advantage of economic arrangements where the the first five years of residence are tax free in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

2013-04-08 Thread Fred Bauder
Weapons design is obvious; however much intelligence is about rather ordinary military capability and deployment. We seem to be doing poorly, from the intelligence standpoint responsibly, regarding laser weapons, the next big thing I don't think much has been published in public reliable sources,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

2013-04-08 Thread George Herbert
Regarding laser weapons - It has been published in public reliable sources, such as Aviation Week, Proceedings of the Naval Institute, various speciality publications like Janes Inteligence Review, etc. We have Category:Military_lasers which is thin but not empty. On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 2:17

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Global Economic Map

2013-04-08 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le lundi 08 avril 2013 à 23:09 +0200, Jane Darnell a écrit : Mathieu, I just watched a Dutch documentary about this same issue last week. The main gist of the documentary is that the corporations avoid taxes in a structured way: they go to tax havens or take advantage of economic arrangements