Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMIL new Executive Director

2013-04-10 Thread Shabab Mustafa
Hello Dorit,

Welcome aboard!

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On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:51 AM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote:

 A warm welcome to Dorit!

 Thank you for the update, Itzik.  And congrats on your new lovely site.

 SJ

 On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote:
  Hi,
 
  After four months
 
  After 6 years without employees, and 4 months of the recruitment process
  (collecting resumes and interviews)  I happy to announce that last month
  WMIL hired Executive Director to support the increase in WMIL's
 activities,
  projects, volunteers and professionalization..
 
  Meet Dorit Shafir Dyamant:
 
  Over the last decade she mainly worked at NGO's in a variety of roles:
 from
  marketing  through projects management and producing conferences. She
 have
  MA degree in nonprofit management from the Hebrew University in Jerusalem
  and B.A in literature and comparative philosophy from University of
 Haifa.
 
  As a student at the Hebrew University, she founded and produced for 6
 years
  the project Words and poets' - an open evenings meetings for young
 poets.
 
  She married to Itay, and mother to Marom and Shalev. And I quote her, I
  love to read three books at the same time, I write primarily for myself
 all
  my life, and I fervently supports positive thinking and action based
  sharing and cross-fertilization.
 
  She will attend the ChapConf in Milan next week and I encourage her
  colleagues (CEO/ED and any chapters representatives or WMF's staff) to
 meet
  her, share tips and welcome her to our Wikimedia family!
 
  Dorit email is do...@wikimedia.org.il and she already been subscribed to
  all the relevant mailing lists.
 
  I will use this opportunity also to share our new website (we just
 launched
  it today) - we still have lot of bugs to fix and text improvement, but as
  most of you can't understand Hebrew, it will not really change a lot for
  you :) (We will launch the English version in the next few weeks):
  http://www.wikimedia.org.il
 
 
  Regards,
  Itzik Edri
  WMIL Chairman
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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 9, Issue 14 -- 08 April 2013

2013-04-10 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
Wikizine: Introducing ''Wikizine'': WMF scales back feature after outcry
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News and notes: French intelligence agents threaten Wikimedia volunteer
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[Wikimedia-l] [Language Engineering] Reminder: Office hour on 10th April 2013 at 1700 UTC/1000 PDT

2013-04-10 Thread Runa Bhattacharjee
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Hello,
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This is a reminder that the Language Engineering team will be hosting an
IRC office hour today, i.e. 10th of April 2013 at 1700 UTC/1000 PDT on
#wikimedia-office (Freenode). The agenda can be found in the section below.
*
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Thanks
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Runa
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Agenda:
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   1.

   Introductions
   2.

   Translate UX - Deployment and other news
   3.

   Language Mavens - an outreach initiative with the Wikimedia language
   communities
   4.

   MediaWiki Language Extension Bundle (MLEB) Release
   5.

   Q/A - We shall be taking questions during the session. Questions can
   also be sent to runa at wikimedia dot org r...@wikimedia.org before
   the event and can be addressed during the office-hour.



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Subject: [Language Engineering] Office hour on 10th April 2013 at 1700
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Hello,


The Wikimedia Language Engineering team [1] invites everyone to join the
team’s monthly office hour on April 10, 2013. We have some exciting updates
about our ongoing projects, some of which have also been shared in our
recent blog posts[2]. During this session we would like to walk through
some of them. The team would also like to introduce a new outreach program
which was mentioned in the last office hour held on 13th March 2013 [3].
 Event details and the general agenda is mentioned below.

See you all at the IRC office hour!

regards

Runa

Event Details:

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Date: 2013-04-10 (Wednesday)

Time: 1700 UTC, 1000 PDT

IRC channel: #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.net


Agenda:


   1.

   Introductions
   2.

   Translate UX - Deployment and other news
   3.

   Language Mavens - an outreach initiative with the Wikimedia language
   communities
   4.

   MediaWiki Language Extension Bundle (MLEB) Release
   5.

   Q/A - We shall be taking questions during the session. Questions can
   also be sent to runa at wikimedia dot org r...@wikimedia.org before
   the event and can be addressed during the office-hour.




[1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Language_Engineering_team

[2]
http://blog.wikimedia.org/c/technology/features/internationalization-and-localization/

[3] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2013-03-13
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia CH staff changes in 2013

2013-04-10 Thread Charles Andrès
Hello Thomas,
 
Thanks for asking!

In fact, it was as easy as said :-)  Ilario has just never been involved in the 
recruitment process. In WMCH we believe that the conflict of interest is not 
solved with the resignation, but giving the whole process in the hands of a 
committee.

The use of the committees are usual in Wikimedia (i.e the FDC) exactly to avoid 
this kind of problems.

To make a long story short, the recruitment process was not a Board process. 
Chantal was involved from the start, the job descriptions have been realized by 
French-speakers  (Chantal , me and Yann, a professional community manager). The 
interviews have been conducted by a committee of four people: Chantal, Yann, 
Patrick (Board member and active in both languages) and Manuel (our CIO).

The board continued to work normally side by side with the selection committee 
without any interference or pressure. The same communication was split in 
different channels.

The selection committee provided a report to the Board (less Ilario) and we 
just validated their conclusions.

Please have in mind that the meaning of Board member is not the same in all 
countries. In Switzerland all Board members are elected for one year only, with 
no appointed member, and we try to split as much as possible executive duties 
and board duties. For some countries it can seem hard to avoid a COI, for 
others its easier.

Cheers

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Le 9 avr. 2013 à 20:55, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Charles,
 
 Thank you for sharing this information. Can you elaborate on how the
 conflict of interest of hiring a current board member was managed?
 
 You say Ilario wasn't involved in the hiring process, but appropriately
 managing such a conflict is more difficult than that. Did Ilario recuse
 from all discussions and decisions about the job from the early planning
 stages (ie. well before the job was advertised)? Did you seek professional
 advise on how to manage the conflict?
 
 In the UK, I think it is normal for a trustee to resign at least before
 they apply for the job, ideally sooner.
 On 9 Apr 2013 18:08, Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Dear all,
 We have the pleasure to announce the hiring of 2 new employees and one
 long-term contractor in 2013. On the other hand, Chantal Ebongué, our Chief
 Administrative Officer, will leave her job at the end of July.
 The three hiring are:
 - Manuel Schneider, as Chief Information Officer and Event Manager, who
 has started on 1st January 2013 (so this announcement is long overdue !)
 - Muriel Staub, as German-speaking Community manager, who will start on
 1st May 2013
 - Ilario Valdelli, Italian-speaking Community and GLAM manager, who will
 start on 1st may 2013.
 Muriel Staub will be our new German-speaking Community manager a 50%
 position. Muriel is preparing a Master in Management, Organization Studies
 and Cultural Theory at the University of Sankt Gallen. The subject of her
 Master Thesis is How does the use of Wikipedia affect the production and
 sourcing of knowledge at Swiss Universities. She has a strong experience
 as community manager for Apple, as well as having managed academic events
 as a personal assistant of the Chancellor and Vice President of the
 Leuphana University in Lüneburg, Germany.
 Ilario Valdelli is hired as our Italian-speaking Community and GLAM
 manager, also a 50% position. Ilario has a Master in Arts and worked for
 many years in the IT field. He is a well-known member of the Wikimedia
 community; he is founding member of Wikimedia CH as well as a current Board
 member (he was of course not involved in the hiring process, and will not
 remain on the board when his new job starts). He knows very well the
 Ticinese community and has already developed strong partnerships with GLAMs
 in this area.
 The Community managers will work actively with the German or
 Italian-speaking community to support them in accomplishing projects and
 get in touch with Wikimedia entities and officials. They help the community
 by gathering requests and ideas, communicating them to all relevant parties
 and translating information wherever needed. This includes support to bring
 formal requests and motions to WMCH by helping to prepare them, translate
 them and present them to the Board. It's their responsibility to make sure
 the community voices are heard inside the association and that activities
 and communications of Wikimedia movement entities are also replicated into
 the communities. As a GLAM Manager, Ilario will continue to contact GLAMs
 in Ticino and create various partnerships aiming to develop GLAM
 collaborations in Switzerland.
 Manuel Schneider, another well-known member of 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMIL new Executive Director

2013-04-10 Thread Charles Andrès
Congrats and Welcome!!
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Le 9 avr. 2013 à 21:58, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il a écrit :

 Hi,
 
 After four months
 
 After 6 years without employees, and 4 months of the recruitment process
 (collecting resumes and interviews)  I happy to announce that last month
 WMIL hired Executive Director to support the increase in WMIL's activities,
 projects, volunteers and professionalization..
 
 Meet Dorit Shafir Dyamant:
 
 Over the last decade she mainly worked at NGO's in a variety of roles: from
 marketing  through projects management and producing conferences. She have
 MA degree in nonprofit management from the Hebrew University in Jerusalem
 and B.A in literature and comparative philosophy from University of Haifa.
 
 As a student at the Hebrew University, she founded and produced for 6 years
 the project Words and poets' - an open evenings meetings for young poets.
 
 She married to Itay, and mother to Marom and Shalev. And I quote her, I
 love to read three books at the same time, I write primarily for myself all
 my life, and I fervently supports positive thinking and action based
 sharing and cross-fertilization.
 
 She will attend the ChapConf in Milan next week and I encourage her
 colleagues (CEO/ED and any chapters representatives or WMF's staff) to meet
 her, share tips and welcome her to our Wikimedia family!
 
 Dorit email is do...@wikimedia.org.il and she already been subscribed to
 all the relevant mailing lists.
 
 I will use this opportunity also to share our new website (we just launched
 it today) - we still have lot of bugs to fix and text improvement, but as
 most of you can't understand Hebrew, it will not really change a lot for
 you :) (We will launch the English version in the next few weeks):
 http://www.wikimedia.org.il
 
 
 Regards,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMIL new Executive Director

2013-04-10 Thread Delphine Ménard
Bienvenue/Wilkommen Dorit! I am looking forward to meeting you in Milan.

Delphine

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:58 PM, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote:
 Hi,

 After four months

 After 6 years without employees, and 4 months of the recruitment process
 (collecting resumes and interviews)  I happy to announce that last month
 WMIL hired Executive Director to support the increase in WMIL's activities,
 projects, volunteers and professionalization..

 Meet Dorit Shafir Dyamant:

 Over the last decade she mainly worked at NGO's in a variety of roles: from
 marketing  through projects management and producing conferences. She have
 MA degree in nonprofit management from the Hebrew University in Jerusalem
 and B.A in literature and comparative philosophy from University of Haifa.

 As a student at the Hebrew University, she founded and produced for 6 years
 the project Words and poets' - an open evenings meetings for young poets.

 She married to Itay, and mother to Marom and Shalev. And I quote her, I
 love to read three books at the same time, I write primarily for myself all
 my life, and I fervently supports positive thinking and action based
 sharing and cross-fertilization.

 She will attend the ChapConf in Milan next week and I encourage her
 colleagues (CEO/ED and any chapters representatives or WMF's staff) to meet
 her, share tips and welcome her to our Wikimedia family!

 Dorit email is do...@wikimedia.org.il and she already been subscribed to
 all the relevant mailing lists.

 I will use this opportunity also to share our new website (we just launched
 it today) - we still have lot of bugs to fix and text improvement, but as
 most of you can't understand Hebrew, it will not really change a lot for
 you :) (We will launch the English version in the next few weeks):
 http://www.wikimedia.org.il


 Regards,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMIL new Executive Director

2013-04-10 Thread Stevie Benton
Congratulations and welcome from the UK!

Stevie

On 10 April 2013 10:23, Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bienvenue/Wilkommen Dorit! I am looking forward to meeting you in Milan.

 Delphine

 On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:58 PM, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote:
  Hi,
 
  After four months
 
  After 6 years without employees, and 4 months of the recruitment process
  (collecting resumes and interviews)  I happy to announce that last month
  WMIL hired Executive Director to support the increase in WMIL's
 activities,
  projects, volunteers and professionalization..
 
  Meet Dorit Shafir Dyamant:
 
  Over the last decade she mainly worked at NGO's in a variety of roles:
 from
  marketing  through projects management and producing conferences. She
 have
  MA degree in nonprofit management from the Hebrew University in Jerusalem
  and B.A in literature and comparative philosophy from University of
 Haifa.
 
  As a student at the Hebrew University, she founded and produced for 6
 years
  the project Words and poets' - an open evenings meetings for young
 poets.
 
  She married to Itay, and mother to Marom and Shalev. And I quote her, I
  love to read three books at the same time, I write primarily for myself
 all
  my life, and I fervently supports positive thinking and action based
  sharing and cross-fertilization.
 
  She will attend the ChapConf in Milan next week and I encourage her
  colleagues (CEO/ED and any chapters representatives or WMF's staff) to
 meet
  her, share tips and welcome her to our Wikimedia family!
 
  Dorit email is do...@wikimedia.org.il and she already been subscribed to
  all the relevant mailing lists.
 
  I will use this opportunity also to share our new website (we just
 launched
  it today) - we still have lot of bugs to fix and text improvement, but as
  most of you can't understand Hebrew, it will not really change a lot for
  you :) (We will launch the English version in the next few weeks):
  http://www.wikimedia.org.il
 
 
  Regards,
  Itzik Edri
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia CH staff changes in 2013

2013-04-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 10 April 2013 08:10, Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello Thomas,

 Thanks for asking!

 In fact, it was as easy as said :-)  Ilario has just never been involved in 
 the recruitment process. In WMCH we believe that the conflict of interest is 
 not solved with the resignation, but giving the whole process in the hands of 
 a committee.

Thank you for clarifying, but it really isn't that easy... Did you
seek professional advice from either a charity lawyer or a charity
governance expert?

I don't know how these things work in Switzerland, but the relevant
guidance from the UK Charity Commission can be found here:

http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/Charity_requirements_guidance/Charity_governance/Good_governance/conflicts.aspx#8a

In the case of a trustee also being employed in a separate post
within the charity, or a trustee being paid for a service provided to
the charity, the conflict of interest may result in a liability to
repay salary or other related benefits. It should not be assumed that
such conflict can be overcome merely by the person concerned resigning
as a trustee, either before or after taking up the post. The only
instance where authority may not be needed is where, practically, the
trustees can show that there is no conflict of interest. In our view,
this is confined to the fairly narrow circumstance where the trustee
concerned:

* has had no significant involvement with the trustees’ decision to
create or retain the post, or with any material aspect of the
recruitment process
* where that person resigns as a trustee in order to apply for the
employed post in advance of a fair and open competition for it

All other circumstances require an express authority. 

Authority in this context means either an express authority in the
governing documents of the charity, a court order or permission from
the Charity Commission.

Under UK guidance, the approach you took would not be at all acceptable.

This is a very serious matter. A charity paying a trustee (other than
to reimburse actual expenses incurred) is probably the biggest
conflict of interest you can get. It needs to be handled extremely
carefully.

Can you elaborate on how the decision to create the post was carried
out (presumably it was part of your annual planning process)? Was
Ilario involved in that?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more

2013-04-10 Thread Florence Devouard

On 4/8/13 7:18 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:

On 4 April 2013 13:16, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com wrote:

Incidently... given that most people would not be willing to publicly post
their phone number and possibly other personal information... and that a
wiki is actually not necessarily the best place to do such a thing, has it
ever been considered to set up something dedicated to actually host contact
information ?


Why do we need to share individual phone numbers? I'm no longer on a
chapter board, but when I was I don't think I would have appreciated
random people I don't know from other chapters phoning me
unexpectedly. I'd much rather they either called the main chapter
phone number (which is available publicly) and left me a message or
emailed me (using the Email this user function on the chapter wiki)
and asked when would be a good time to call and what number they
should call me on. As with most volunteers, I have to fit my voluntary
work around the rest of my life, so phone calls aren't a good way to
initiate a conversation.

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I understand your position Thomas.

But favorite mode of communication is the individual choice of each of 
us. We may share or not share our phone number. We have the choice. 
Anyone can also add a note to say he prefers not to be contacted by 
phone unless really necessary, or not at certain hours or certain days.


Why would you impose to others your own dislike ?

Not every chapter has a main phone number (often, it is the president 
personal phone number). Why would the president becomes a human 
answering machine for others ?
Last, I have shared my phone number with others quite liberally. I have 
no memory of any abuse from fellow chapter members. When they do use the 
phone, it is either because it is mega super urgent, or because the 
topic can not be discussed by email or because the internet connexion is 
not working.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia CH staff changes in 2013

2013-04-10 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Personal answer...

You are giving examples and references not compatible with this case.

For instance you give a link of paragraph entitled payment of a trustee,
but I have not received any payment and I am still a volunteer.

You refer to this specific case: In the case of a trustee *also being
employed* in a separate post within the charity, or *a trustee being paid
for a service provided* to the charity, the conflict of interest may result
in a liability to repay salary or other related benefits, but *I am not
employed yet and I received no payments for my service.

*It has been unclear that Wikimedia CH will have the General Assembly the
27th April and in that date the board will change. I will start to work
from 1st May.

As per Swiss bylaws I have been a board member and I did it as volunteer.

I suppose that you have misunderstood

Please be careful of speaking about COI and please do it using the right
examples.

Regards


On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 10 April 2013 08:10, Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hello Thomas,
 
  Thanks for asking!
 
  In fact, it was as easy as said :-)  Ilario has just never been involved
 in the recruitment process. In WMCH we believe that the conflict of
 interest is not solved with the resignation, but giving the whole process
 in the hands of a committee.

 Thank you for clarifying, but it really isn't that easy... Did you
 seek professional advice from either a charity lawyer or a charity
 governance expert?

 I don't know how these things work in Switzerland, but the relevant
 guidance from the UK Charity Commission can be found here:


 http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/Charity_requirements_guidance/Charity_governance/Good_governance/conflicts.aspx#8a

 In the case of a trustee also being employed in a separate post
 within the charity, or a trustee being paid for a service provided to
 the charity, the conflict of interest may result in a liability to
 repay salary or other related benefits. It should not be assumed that
 such conflict can be overcome merely by the person concerned resigning
 as a trustee, either before or after taking up the post. The only
 instance where authority may not be needed is where, practically, the
 trustees can show that there is no conflict of interest. In our view,
 this is confined to the fairly narrow circumstance where the trustee
 concerned:

 * has had no significant involvement with the trustees’ decision to
 create or retain the post, or with any material aspect of the
 recruitment process
 * where that person resigns as a trustee in order to apply for the
 employed post in advance of a fair and open competition for it

 All other circumstances require an express authority. 

 Authority in this context means either an express authority in the
 governing documents of the charity, a court order or permission from
 the Charity Commission.

 Under UK guidance, the approach you took would not be at all acceptable.

 This is a very serious matter. A charity paying a trustee (other than
 to reimburse actual expenses incurred) is probably the biggest
 conflict of interest you can get. It needs to be handled extremely
 carefully.

 Can you elaborate on how the decision to create the post was carried
 out (presumably it was part of your annual planning process)? Was
 Ilario involved in that?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more

2013-04-10 Thread Samuel Klein
Mike - fine points.

On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Michael Peel
michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 There is information within the Wikimedia movement that can't be shared 
 publicly.
 # Agreements, particularly those with global impact, and/or where they affect 
 more than one Wikimedia organisation.
Should be public where possible; some may need to be private for a time.

 There's also a lot of experience now with existing agreements that could be 
 reused when new agreements are being
 written, e.g. for Wikimedians in Residences. Sadly, not all of these can be 
 made publicly available (or at least, they haven't
 been to date).
I think many can, actually.  It just hasn't happened yet; requires
asking the right people for each agreement.

 # Press releases, prior to release
Yes.

 # Domain names. There is a list of these on internal already
Yes.

 # Contact information for the various organisations.
Can be public.  Some personal #s can be privat.e

 # Notices of sensitive activities. E.g. if there's an upcoming risk of law 
 suits, infrastructure difficulties within organisations,
Yes.

If we carefully scope what's there, and review for material that
doesn't need (or no longer needs) that secrecy,  it can be useful.  I
think muc hof the material that is posted on smaller-group wikis
(committees, individual chapters, c) could be shared among all
chapters and movement entities on the internal wiki.  If everyone
finds private things they currently work on which could benefit from
being shared on internal, it will find life and purpose.

Worth a discussion among people who use other private wikis.  I know I
would like to use *fewer* private wikis, not more.  [and right now I
only use the Board wiki.  But some of that material would be ok on
internal, and some of it - including the drafting of many of our
resolutions - would be fine to do in public on meta]


Florence writes:
 has it ever been considered to set up something dedicated to actually host 
 contact information ?
A wiki table works, and is simple, for small groups.   A more
structured solution could work for our entire larger social network...
we already use CiviCRM heavily in other ways.

Sam.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia CH staff changes in 2013

2013-04-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
Read what I quoted more carefully, please. It specifically says that
leaving the board before taking up the position isn't enough.

On 10 April 2013 14:23, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote:
 Personal answer...

 You are giving examples and references not compatible with this case.

 For instance you give a link of paragraph entitled payment of a trustee,
 but I have not received any payment and I am still a volunteer.

 You refer to this specific case: In the case of a trustee *also being
 employed* in a separate post within the charity, or *a trustee being paid
 for a service provided* to the charity, the conflict of interest may result
 in a liability to repay salary or other related benefits, but *I am not
 employed yet and I received no payments for my service.

 *It has been unclear that Wikimedia CH will have the General Assembly the
 27th April and in that date the board will change. I will start to work
 from 1st May.

 As per Swiss bylaws I have been a board member and I did it as volunteer.

 I suppose that you have misunderstood

 Please be careful of speaking about COI and please do it using the right
 examples.

 Regards


 On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 10 April 2013 08:10, Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hello Thomas,
 
  Thanks for asking!
 
  In fact, it was as easy as said :-)  Ilario has just never been involved
 in the recruitment process. In WMCH we believe that the conflict of
 interest is not solved with the resignation, but giving the whole process
 in the hands of a committee.

 Thank you for clarifying, but it really isn't that easy... Did you
 seek professional advice from either a charity lawyer or a charity
 governance expert?

 I don't know how these things work in Switzerland, but the relevant
 guidance from the UK Charity Commission can be found here:


 http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/Charity_requirements_guidance/Charity_governance/Good_governance/conflicts.aspx#8a

 In the case of a trustee also being employed in a separate post
 within the charity, or a trustee being paid for a service provided to
 the charity, the conflict of interest may result in a liability to
 repay salary or other related benefits. It should not be assumed that
 such conflict can be overcome merely by the person concerned resigning
 as a trustee, either before or after taking up the post. The only
 instance where authority may not be needed is where, practically, the
 trustees can show that there is no conflict of interest. In our view,
 this is confined to the fairly narrow circumstance where the trustee
 concerned:

 * has had no significant involvement with the trustees’ decision to
 create or retain the post, or with any material aspect of the
 recruitment process
 * where that person resigns as a trustee in order to apply for the
 employed post in advance of a fair and open competition for it

 All other circumstances require an express authority. 

 Authority in this context means either an express authority in the
 governing documents of the charity, a court order or permission from
 the Charity Commission.

 Under UK guidance, the approach you took would not be at all acceptable.

 This is a very serious matter. A charity paying a trustee (other than
 to reimburse actual expenses incurred) is probably the biggest
 conflict of interest you can get. It needs to be handled extremely
 carefully.

 Can you elaborate on how the decision to create the post was carried
 out (presumably it was part of your annual planning process)? Was
 Ilario involved in that?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more

2013-04-10 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Incidently... given that most people would not be willing to publicly post
 their phone number and possibly other personal information... and that a
 wiki is actually not necessarily the best place to do such a thing, has it
 ever been considered to set up something dedicated to actually host contact
 information ?


https://contacts.wikimedia.org/

Voilà.

Interesting that you don't know.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more

2013-04-10 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
Hi Phoebe and all,

I am not say if saying this is wrong or brakes the confidentiality contract
I've signed as a contractor. My apologies if it is wrong, but I think it is
not. I am sorry to say there are some documents of projects I have been
working on that I believe could be done directly on meta or some other
public wiki. There are some cases, yes, some more elaborated document
should be done to be released in public, but I don't think it is always the
case.

I believe we are wasting resources and energy in some cases not using the
community intelligence and knowledge, even having very high qualified
professionals working on this documents, as it is the case I have seen so
far. Closed mailing lists, closed wikis, closed working groups, closed
meetings... all this doesn't make me feel comfortable, to be honest.

I don't want create a pandemonium here. My opinion here is just to share
one thing I've felt that can diminish the power of crowdsourcing we are all
used to and I believe we have to think ways to improve that.
Wikimediaworld it too complex, there is too much information, projects
and opinions
going on and it is really difficult to organize all that.

For instance, there is this https://collab.wikimedia.org What is this for?!
I have receive (maybe?) one e-mail about this wiki and once I've seen a lot
of crucial and important answers for the Brazil program were there. I
cannot understand why it is not public. Really. Just to you have an idea,
I've asked in December to have this collab (Collab of collaboration?) wiki
to be on the main page of office wiki, but no answer so far.

The organization has grown too fast and maybe it is time to rethink our
best practices and how we operate, analysing everything we are using,
creating a kind of guide, mainly for those professionals that will arrive?
If I am not wrong, how can we do that?

I love this from another group

Running through all of our activities is a strong emphasis on *decentralized
collaboration*. In particular, a primary aim is to help others develop open
material as well as creating it ourselves. We believe that the future lies
in collaboration between a multitude of different groups and that *no one
group or organisation can, or should try to, “do it all*”. It is when we
work together that we are the strongest.

and I am not saying it is easy to implement it. But we have to be self
critical on how to achieve this, for those who agree it is a better way to
work.

Tom

On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 5:39 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote:


 You're being snarky, but I am going to take this as a good-faith
 question

 I have access to the office wiki, left-over from being a board member,
 though I do not edit there and have only accessed it a couple of times over
 the years. I think I can safely say without violating confidentiality that
 it is mainly used as a tool to run a discrete, physical, boring office. It
 is where you will find things like staff phone numbers, info on the
 employee health plans, how to send to the office printers, and how to
 submit an expense report.

 As on internal, there's also lots of outdated stuff, like old notes from
 2008 staff meetings; there are scratchpad idea pages that probably could be
 elsewhere, and there are some pages about department functions and project
 drafts that I'm sure no one would mind being on meta, but much of the
 interesting stuff is public (the annual plan, the communications calendar),
 and as far as I can see with a quick scan there are not large-scale
 discussions happening there.

 So, back to the start of the thread: using a wiki effectively does seem
 like a scoping question, yes, and I think internal (and any other
 internal/private wiki) would benefit from specific scoping like Mike
 proposes; his suggestions seem reasonable to me. I think I can also say
 without violating confidentiality that almost all of the mail to the
 internal list in the last few months has not been discussion focused, but
 rather has been notices of chapter board elections, meetings and reports,
 and I would love to see all that traffic be public (even if it's on a
 separate list so not everyone has to get the notices if they're not
 interested) -- there's nothing inherently confidential about it, and it
 would be nice for that info to be easily findable.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia CH staff changes in 2013

2013-04-10 Thread Charles Andrès
The need for community/project managers was identified by Chantal, our 
director, who prepared the proposal herself (in collaboration with me)

Then there was a time when anyone could propose projects for 2013 and/or 
comment on the proposed projects; at this point, it would make no difference if 
someone making a comment was a board member or an outsider. In any case, Ilario 
did not participate in any discussion about the new positions -- neither 
pushing for or against them. The board later approved the final budget proposal 
without any objection (and without discussing any particular detail about these 
position), so that Ilario could not have influenced the positions at this step 
either.

When the job description prepared by Chantal, Yann and Myself was ready to be 
published, Ilario told us that he may be interested in applying for the italian 
position. This allowed us to build the recruitment committee without including 
Ilario (as the main Italian-speaking member of the board, he would indeed have 
been part of this committee otherwise).

As mentioned before, Ilario was not involved at all with the hiring process. 
The board (minus Ilario) held a phone meeting in order to discuss the 
recommandations of the hiring committee, which it approved. In order to 
formally register the decision and Ilario's absention, a voting page was open 
on our board wiki, which saw an approval by 5 board members and one abstention 
because of a conflict of interest.

We haven't use donors money to have professional advice from either a charity 
lawyer or a charity governance expert, because it wasn't necessary.

All in all, the only influence that Ilario had in the process was when he 
submitted his application.

According to the UK Charity Commission we are in the case where Ilario  has 
had no significant involvement with the trustees’ decision to create or retain 
the post, or with any material aspect of the recruitment process

Charles

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Le 10 avr. 2013 à 13:13, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com a écrit :

 On 10 April 2013 08:10, Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello Thomas,
 
 Thanks for asking!
 
 In fact, it was as easy as said :-)  Ilario has just never been involved in 
 the recruitment process. In WMCH we believe that the conflict of interest is 
 not solved with the resignation, but giving the whole process in the hands 
 of a committee.
 
 Thank you for clarifying, but it really isn't that easy... Did you
 seek professional advice from either a charity lawyer or a charity
 governance expert?
 
 I don't know how these things work in Switzerland, but the relevant
 guidance from the UK Charity Commission can be found here:
 
 http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/Charity_requirements_guidance/Charity_governance/Good_governance/conflicts.aspx#8a
 
 In the case of a trustee also being employed in a separate post
 within the charity, or a trustee being paid for a service provided to
 the charity, the conflict of interest may result in a liability to
 repay salary or other related benefits. It should not be assumed that
 such conflict can be overcome merely by the person concerned resigning
 as a trustee, either before or after taking up the post. The only
 instance where authority may not be needed is where, practically, the
 trustees can show that there is no conflict of interest. In our view,
 this is confined to the fairly narrow circumstance where the trustee
 concerned:
 
 * has had no significant involvement with the trustees’ decision to
 create or retain the post, or with any material aspect of the
 recruitment process
 * where that person resigns as a trustee in order to apply for the
 employed post in advance of a fair and open competition for it
 
 All other circumstances require an express authority. 
 
 Authority in this context means either an express authority in the
 governing documents of the charity, a court order or permission from
 the Charity Commission.
 
 Under UK guidance, the approach you took would not be at all acceptable.
 
 This is a very serious matter. A charity paying a trustee (other than
 to reimburse actual expenses incurred) is probably the biggest
 conflict of interest you can get. It needs to be handled extremely
 carefully.
 
 Can you elaborate on how the decision to create the post was carried
 out (presumably it was part of your annual planning process)? Was
 Ilario involved in that?
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia CH staff changes in 2013

2013-04-10 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
This just to say that it's not so direct to transfer some suggestions to 
other countries.


Thomas Dalton, 10/04/2013 13:13:
 [...] Authority in this context means either an express authority 
in the

 governing documents of the charity, a court order or permission from
 the Charity Commission. [...]

For instance, such authority doesn't exist in Italy, so it's easy to 
see that this part wouldn't apply, unless of course the bylaws say 
something in contrary.


Thomas Dalton, 10/04/2013 16:32:

Read what I quoted more carefully, please. It specifically says that
leaving the board before taking up the position isn't enough.


You've already been answered you that it's not the only thing they did, 
and you interpret your own quoted text in a very personal way if you 
forget that it says the purpose is a fair and open competition and you 
focus solely on the conjunction in advance of instead of commenting 
whether the actual purpose was pursued correctly.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia CH staff changes in 2013

2013-04-10 Thread Christophe Henner
Hi everyone,

Though UK Charity Commission recommendations can't apply everywhere,
from what I can see, they do provide interesting ideas.

I believe here the discussion is not is there a COI but what was
done to prevent the perception of a COI. WMFr did hire former board
members, every time said board members were not part of the board
discussions and decisions about.

That being said, with the time, if that situation would happen now we
would do things differently I think. In order to lower the perception
of a potential COI (though I have no idea how we'd do it, having the
process overseen by an independant third body could be an idea :))

Best,

--
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On 10 April 2013 17:55, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote:
 This just to say that it's not so direct to transfer some suggestions to
 other countries.

 Thomas Dalton, 10/04/2013 13:13:
 [...] Authority in this context means either an express authority in the

 governing documents of the charity, a court order or permission from
 the Charity Commission. [...]

 For instance, such authority doesn't exist in Italy, so it's easy to see
 that this part wouldn't apply, unless of course the bylaws say something in
 contrary.

 Thomas Dalton, 10/04/2013 16:32:

 Read what I quoted more carefully, please. It specifically says that
 leaving the board before taking up the position isn't enough.


 You've already been answered you that it's not the only thing they did, and
 you interpret your own quoted text in a very personal way if you forget that
 it says the purpose is a fair and open competition and you focus solely on
 the conjunction in advance of instead of commenting whether the actual
 purpose was pursued correctly.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia CH staff changes in 2013

2013-04-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 10 April 2013 16:13, Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 We haven't use donors money to have professional advice from either a 
 charity lawyer or a charity governance expert, because it wasn't necessary.

When dealing with a situation that can give rise to a serious conflict
of interest (which hiring a trustee always will be) it is always a
good use of money to get professional advice.

 According to the UK Charity Commission we are in the case where Ilario  has 
 had no significant involvement with the trustees’ decision to create or 
 retain the post, or with any material aspect of the recruitment process

It isn't written very clearly, but from context I am confident that
those bullet points are intended to be an and not an or.
Nevertheless, voting on the plan which included creating these posts
is significant involvement.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more

2013-04-10 Thread Victor Grigas
From my perspective:

In my role as storyteller I conduct many personal interviews with Wikimedia
volunteers, donors and staff.

I have several pages of interviews and photos of volunteers and donors(!)
that have been gracious enough to share their story with me and the
WMF. Each person who has been interviewed as part of my role has signed a
legal release to 'share their story'. I keep the raw, unpolished interviews
on pages on the password protected:
https://office.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Stories knowing that they are
available only to myself and staff at the WMF. I use that raw material to
release polished works like this:
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Thank_You_All . During the course of an
interview, people sometimes say things that when reviewed later, they wish
they hadn't. Out of respect and decency for those interviewed, I want each
person alerted every time WMF plans to use their story, should that person
not want that information released. I won't 'hide' behind a legal waiver
and do whatever when someone shares a story with the WMF.

I also need to be able to share the interviews with others at WMF because
they may have instances when they need to illustrate something with a
personal story (that is my job) and it can be more convenient for them to
review these stories on an organized page than to have to ask me to be a
librarian for them and suggest a story.

Privacy is very important, and I have to take it seriously. I could remove
all the interviews from the office wiki and keep them offline, but I would
not feel comfortable making the material public without passing it by all
those interviewed first, which would take a lot of time to do, since I'm
nearing almost 2 years of interviews.

All this said, I am all in favor of making as much content as possible on
https://collab.wikimedia.org/ and https://office.wikimedia.org/  public.

Victor


On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga 
t...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hi Phoebe and all,

 I am not say if saying this is wrong or brakes the confidentiality contract
 I've signed as a contractor. My apologies if it is wrong, but I think it is
 not. I am sorry to say there are some documents of projects I have been
 working on that I believe could be done directly on meta or some other
 public wiki. There are some cases, yes, some more elaborated document
 should be done to be released in public, but I don't think it is always the
 case.

 I believe we are wasting resources and energy in some cases not using the
 community intelligence and knowledge, even having very high qualified
 professionals working on this documents, as it is the case I have seen so
 far. Closed mailing lists, closed wikis, closed working groups, closed
 meetings... all this doesn't make me feel comfortable, to be honest.

 I don't want create a pandemonium here. My opinion here is just to share
 one thing I've felt that can diminish the power of crowdsourcing we are all
 used to and I believe we have to think ways to improve that.
 Wikimediaworld it too complex, there is too much information, projects
 and opinions
 going on and it is really difficult to organize all that.

 For instance, there is this https://collab.wikimedia.org What is this
 for?!
 I have receive (maybe?) one e-mail about this wiki and once I've seen a lot
 of crucial and important answers for the Brazil program were there. I
 cannot understand why it is not public. Really. Just to you have an idea,
 I've asked in December to have this collab (Collab of collaboration?) wiki
 to be on the main page of office wiki, but no answer so far.

 The organization has grown too fast and maybe it is time to rethink our
 best practices and how we operate, analysing everything we are using,
 creating a kind of guide, mainly for those professionals that will arrive?
 If I am not wrong, how can we do that?

 I love this from another group

 Running through all of our activities is a strong emphasis on
 *decentralized
 collaboration*. In particular, a primary aim is to help others develop open
 material as well as creating it ourselves. We believe that the future lies
 in collaboration between a multitude of different groups and that *no one
 group or organisation can, or should try to, “do it all*”. It is when we
 work together that we are the strongest.

 and I am not saying it is easy to implement it. But we have to be self
 critical on how to achieve this, for those who agree it is a better way to
 work.

 Tom

 On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 5:39 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
  You're being snarky, but I am going to take this as a good-faith
  question
 
  I have access to the office wiki, left-over from being a board member,
  though I do not edit there and have only accessed it a couple of times
 over
  the years. I think I can safely say without violating confidentiality
 that
  it is mainly used as a tool to run a discrete, physical, boring office.
 It
  is where you will find 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more

2013-04-10 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)

Victor Grigas, 10/04/2013 19:22:

I keep the raw, unpolished interviews
on pages on the password protected:
https://office.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Stories knowing that they are
available only to myself and staff at the WMF.


What about a limited set of trusted wikimedians?


I use that raw material to
release polished works like this:
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Thank_You_All . During the course of an
interview, people sometimes say things that when reviewed later, they wish
they hadn't. Out of respect and decency for those interviewed, [...]

Privacy is very important, and I have to take it seriously. [...]


All very right, just highlighting two passages to complement the 
question above: respect and decency are not the same as privacy; would 
this material be something that requires everyone with access to it 
signing a NDA, or being a PII-handling designated officer (or whatever 
the English name for the thing under EU laws)?


Nemo

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[Wikimedia-l] Distributed Proofreaders hits 25, 000 books scanned and proofread

2013-04-10 Thread David Gerard
This is pretty awesome.

http://www.pgdp.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=53404


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[Wikimedia-l] Chapters Dialogue

2013-04-10 Thread Nicole Ebber
Dear fellow Wikimedians,

Wikimedia Deutschland would like to initiate – together with
interested parties – a project called Chapters Dialogue. This project
aims at a structured assessment of chapters needs combined with a
stakeholder survey of other parties involved. The Chapters Dialogue is
designed to help facilitate and support the chapters in thinking about
what they want to do.

In addition to this, we do not only want to talk to the chapters, but
also consult with their key stakeholders and partners (Wikimedia
Foundation, the Affiliations committee and the project communities) to
ask for their opinion, their expectations and hopes. Those parties
should be involved into the process from the start.

I have recently created a Meta page and look forward to your comments,
ideas, questions and feedback:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapters_Dialogue

Please note that his is still a draft! I am collecting feedback and
ideas at the moment. I also look forward to discussing the project in
Milan next week and would like to kick things off after the
conference.

Thanks in advance for your input, besr regards from Berlin
Nicole




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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapters Dialogue

2013-04-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
Hi Nicole,

How does this project relate to the project Seb was running a couple
of years ago that sounded very similar?

How does this project relate to the work of the WCA?

I also notice that the wiki page says the contractors are supposed to
attend the Milan meeting - it's presumably too late for that now...

On 10 April 2013 19:35, Nicole Ebber nicole.eb...@wikimedia.de wrote:
 Dear fellow Wikimedians,

 Wikimedia Deutschland would like to initiate – together with
 interested parties – a project called Chapters Dialogue. This project
 aims at a structured assessment of chapters needs combined with a
 stakeholder survey of other parties involved. The Chapters Dialogue is
 designed to help facilitate and support the chapters in thinking about
 what they want to do.

 In addition to this, we do not only want to talk to the chapters, but
 also consult with their key stakeholders and partners (Wikimedia
 Foundation, the Affiliations committee and the project communities) to
 ask for their opinion, their expectations and hopes. Those parties
 should be involved into the process from the start.

 I have recently created a Meta page and look forward to your comments,
 ideas, questions and feedback:

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapters_Dialogue

 Please note that his is still a draft! I am collecting feedback and
 ideas at the moment. I also look forward to discussing the project in
 Milan next week and would like to kick things off after the
 conference.

 Thanks in advance for your input, besr regards from Berlin
 Nicole




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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more

2013-04-10 Thread Oliver Keyes
On 10 April 2013 18:48, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote:

 Victor Grigas, 10/04/2013 19:22:

  I keep the raw, unpolished interviews
 on pages on the password protected:
 https://office.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Wikipedia_Storieshttps://office.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Storiesknowing
  that they are
 available only to myself and staff at the WMF.


 What about a limited set of trusted wikimedians?

 Trusted to know the real names and backgrounds of other editors? There
should never be a situation where volunteers are read into that kind of
thing in a post-hoc fashion.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more

2013-04-10 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)

Oliver Keyes, 10/04/2013 22:25:

On 10 April 2013 18:48, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:


Victor Grigas, 10/04/2013 19:22:

  I keep the raw, unpolished interviews

on pages on the password protected:
https://office.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Wikipedia_Storieshttps://office.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Storiesknowing
 that they are
available only to myself and staff at the WMF.



What about a limited set of trusted wikimedians?


Trusted to know the real names and backgrounds of other editors? There
should never be a situation where volunteers are read into that kind of
thing in a post-hoc fashion.


Are you speaking of yourself here? :)

Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more

2013-04-10 Thread Oliver Keyes
 Are you speaking of yourself here? :)


As opposed to, speaking as a staffer? Well, I work for Product Development.
So the chances of me giving binding policy statements on privacy issues are
slim to none :).

Speaking personally: I can't think of a single good reason why Victor's
stuff should be released. Speaking as a staffer: I'd rather everyone and
their pet dog didn't have my phone number, even if we saw Everyone's
passport at one point :).  There's definitely stuff on officewiki that
should be more public (speaking just for my own work, there's a lot of
strategic planning there) but I'd argue the docs available on officewiki
don't accuratey represent the public availability *of* those docs; we can
see that docX exists on officewiki, and is to do with something the
communities care about, but that doesn't mean a concrete form of docX
wasn't then /released/ to the community for their perusal, consideration,
comment and vote.

An illustration here would be: I've got my engagement strategy for what
became Page Curation on officewiki. It's a place where I can write and
rewrite it, my bosses can check it for stupid, and if there *is* stupid we
catch it before it causes problems. Someone looking at that in isolation
would go this should totally be public! It's about engagement and
deployment timetables,and we should be transparent about it. And we are
transparent about it - because the document later became public, in an
altered and finalised form. But the two aren't necessarily linked together,
which makes this rather opaque.

There are totally some docs on office-wiki that could do with more
publicity. But there are far more that are private - fully private - for a
good reason, and I'd imagine some of those that look ready for public
release were, in fact, released.

Apologies for the TL;DR rant :)


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more

2013-04-10 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)

Oliver Keyes, 10/04/2013 22:43:


Are you speaking of yourself here? :)


As opposed to, speaking as a staffer? Well, I work for Product
Development. So the chances of me giving binding policy statements on
privacy issues are slim to none :).


No: as opposed to, a staffer that is also not a very active editor. :) 
The part on personal identifying information is one I understand and 
that's why I asked about it, but I don't think it should be on 
officewiki either; the other part on editor background I didn't 
understand, and I think staffer or editor is the same for that.




Speaking personally: I can't think of a single good reason why Victor's
stuff should be released. [...]


Neither I do. I only asked if they *require* the compartmentalisation 
that e.g. Tom described – otherwise they could as well happen in a 
slightly different context (like for instance use the internal wiki 
more, given that's the thread we're in).




An illustration here would be: I've got my engagement strategy for what
became Page Curation on officewiki. It's a place where I can write and
rewrite it, my bosses can check it for stupid, and if there *is* stupid
we catch it before it causes problems.


This is fine. Way better than Google Docs shared with few people and 
then quickly lost!



Someone looking at that in
isolation would go this should totally be public! It's about engagement
and deployment timetables,and we should be transparent about it.


I really can't imagine who this naïve someone could be. :)


And we
are transparent about it - because the document later became public, in
an altered and finalised form. But the two aren't necessarily linked
together, which makes this rather opaque.

There are totally some docs on office-wiki that could do with more
publicity. But there are far more that are private - fully private - for
a good reason, and I'd imagine some of those that look ready for public
release were, in fact, released.


Again, I'm not the one arguing for a bias towards putting information 
on public wikis for the sake of it, in this thread. ;-)


I know that some things are always going to be private, and I also think 
that we're not a totalitarian state, so even we officially disallowed 
anything to be private then people would just hide better (e.g. 
documents on private gdocs rather than private wikis; or the good old 
local hard disk + private email).


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapters Dialogue

2013-04-10 Thread Delphine Ménard
Hi Thomas,

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

 How does this project relate to the project Seb was running a couple
 of years ago that sounded very similar?

I'm not sure it is similar at all. The project run with a few chapters
by Sebastian  Anna was specifically aimed at assisting chapters in
their strategic development. This is not what we're trying to do here
at all, at least definitely not in this first phase. The project
Chapters Dialogue aims at exactly what it says, ie. make sure that
Chapters are talking to each other, but also to all relevant
stakeholders (Communities, other Wikimedia organisations, WMF,
committees, relevant third parties). To be very honest, the project
as such is not exactly defined for the longer run, but we hope that
everyone interested will help shape it, because although Wikimedia
Deutschland has the will and the means to kickstart it today, we don't
intend to be running it all by ourselves, if that makes sense. The
first step we're looking at, which we believe has been a bit
overlooked so far, is the gathering of information in a more
structured way than just on-wiki on a thousand different meta pages or
on different mailing lists etc. in order to present the relevant
stakeholders with a very far reaching State of the chapters (by far
reaching, I mean more detailled than the 3 min presentation we do at
the chapters conference), destined to give us all a solid foundation
for further work.


 How does this project relate to the work of the WCA?

When we (at length and in a heated manner) discussed the WCA within
the board of Wikimedia Deutschland, we came to the conclusion that we
were more than ever dedicated to the idea that chapters development
is a key component to how the Wikimedia movement develops
sustainability and fosters diversity. We were maybe lesson the same
page when it came to how exactly this can be achieved, and whether the
WCA progress was actually going in that direction. The WCA reboot
(the London meeting) was, at least in my view, a step in the right
direction. The WCA (of which, for the record, Wikimedia Deutschland is
quite an active member ;)) intends to focus on doing, and that is a
good thing. So of course Chapters Dialogue intends to work hand in
hand with the WCA, providing insight where it can (a chapters survey
for example, will tremendously help with crafting Peer Review and
activities along those lines), offer tools where they are needed,
seeking input from its members and interested observers...

Hope that helps.


Delphine

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more

2013-04-10 Thread Matthew Roth
I don't know that anyone else really wants another example, but I'll offer
a couple thoughts. On a personal level, I'm happy that my contact
information is not public, but I'm also happy that the other staff members
have access to it if they need to get in touch with me urgently.

The primary benefit of a closed wiki that I see from my work perspective is
for upcoming press launches with partners when we need to embargo the
information prior to the release date. The most common example is Wikipedia
Zero. We regularly prepare documents, like the QA that goes with the
launch, on Office Wiki and then copy it to Foundation Wiki once the press
release is public. We could just do it in Google Docs, but we do need to
keep this information private until the launch (obviously, we wouldn't be
able to manage the story if the press got to it before we wanted them to).
Our PR work is often also part of the contract signed with the partner and
is one of the primary values they see in the partnership, so they are
usually quite concerned with keeping a tight lock on the info until the
release date.

There are also a number of password registrations to the various social
media accounts we manage, the various admin keys for the press release
distribution list and to the various lists like Wikimedia Announce-l that
would also need to stay private in some capacity. Office Wiki proves useful
for that, but theoretically there could be another arrangement, I'm sure.

Of the other material that is in the Communications corner on Office Wiki,
almost all of it is links to public wikis, so it doesn't do much more than
provide an easy location for organizing the links. That could happen just
as easily on Meta or elsewhere.

-Matthew




On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote:

 Oliver Keyes, 10/04/2013 22:43:


 Are you speaking of yourself here? :)


 As opposed to, speaking as a staffer? Well, I work for Product
 Development. So the chances of me giving binding policy statements on
 privacy issues are slim to none :).


 No: as opposed to, a staffer that is also not a very active editor. :) The
 part on personal identifying information is one I understand and that's why
 I asked about it, but I don't think it should be on officewiki either; the
 other part on editor background I didn't understand, and I think staffer or
 editor is the same for that.


 Speaking personally: I can't think of a single good reason why Victor's
 stuff should be released. [...]


 Neither I do. I only asked if they *require* the compartmentalisation that
 e.g. Tom described – otherwise they could as well happen in a slightly
 different context (like for instance use the internal wiki more, given
 that's the thread we're in).



 An illustration here would be: I've got my engagement strategy for what
 became Page Curation on officewiki. It's a place where I can write and
 rewrite it, my bosses can check it for stupid, and if there *is* stupid
 we catch it before it causes problems.


 This is fine. Way better than Google Docs shared with few people and then
 quickly lost!


  Someone looking at that in
 isolation would go this should totally be public! It's about engagement
 and deployment timetables,and we should be transparent about it.


 I really can't imagine who this naïve someone could be. :)


  And we
 are transparent about it - because the document later became public, in
 an altered and finalised form. But the two aren't necessarily linked
 together, which makes this rather opaque.

 There are totally some docs on office-wiki that could do with more
 publicity. But there are far more that are private - fully private - for
 a good reason, and I'd imagine some of those that look ready for public
 release were, in fact, released.


 Again, I'm not the one arguing for a bias towards putting information on
 public wikis for the sake of it, in this thread. ;-)

 I know that some things are always going to be private, and I also think
 that we're not a totalitarian state, so even we officially disallowed
 anything to be private then people would just hide better (e.g. documents
 on private gdocs rather than private wikis; or the good old local hard disk
 + private email).

 Nemo


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Global Economic Map

2013-04-10 Thread Alex Peek
There's a signature list for wikipedians to show support in the project:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_Economic_Map


On 9 April 2013 12:35, Alex Peek alexpe...@gmail.com wrote:

 i have also posted my vision on talk page for 'economy of the united
 states, japan, china, germany, united kingdom' articles on Wikipedia. I
 also posted on the Project - Econ talk page


 On 9 April 2013 12:21, Alex Peek alexpe...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm in the marketing stage of the project and looking for editors for
 this project. I have posted the project proposal to Krugman's blog and a
 few separate blogs on the Economist.

 Any advice on what I should next do to get the word out?


 On 8 April 2013 14:57, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.orgwrote:

 Le lundi 08 avril 2013 à 23:09 +0200, Jane Darnell a écrit :
  Mathieu,
  I just watched a Dutch documentary about this same issue last week.
  The main gist of the documentary is that the corporations avoid taxes
  in a structured way: they go to tax havens or take advantage of
  economic arrangements where the the first five years of residence are
  tax free in return for starting up a business. The countries offering
  the tax haven are hoping for sustainable local business, but instead,
  after 5 years the premises are deserted and offered tax free to the
  next corporation, so that a rotational system of multi-nationals is
  devised.  The global economy has become not only a mobile one for
  individuals, but also for corporations.
 
  In order to be able to see such developments in an open economic
  map, much more underlying data needs to be plugged in to Wikipedia in
  terms of articles about global industrial localities, global
  industrial corporations, and then local economic industrial data. All
  of these things are very badly documented when it comes to developing
  countries, where much of this is happening. Today, Wikipedia is mainly
  written in (and about!) Western Europe and North America.
  Jane

 What I understood from the France Culture radio emission was even worst,
 because it said it was not exception of the system but the core of
 the modern financial system. It said that the tax haven countries can
 be tax havens only because they passed an agreement with other
 countries. In other word, the political will is to maintain this
 system.

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