Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)
Sigh. This is a difficult situation. I don't think anyone has suggested that firing Gayle or Philippe should happen. However, I have concerns about keeping Gayle in the Chief Talent and Culture Officer position. I directed that concern to her and I want to hear what she thinks. There may be good reasons to keep her in that position, on the other hand it might be better if she had some time to learn in a WMF position for which she's a better fit at the moment. At a top 5 website I think the performance expectations for C-level positions are high with good reason. I have significant concerns when someone with many years of leadership development experience makes the kind of mistakes that she appears to have made, especially when that person is the C-level officer that is supposed to be the subject matter expert in that area for all of WMF and that person is heavily involved in selecting the next ED. My experiences with Gayle prior to this one were positive and I've heard good things about her from others, but this situation should be examined with great care. I currently hope that Gayle stays with WMF, but perhaps in a different position for awhile with the option of returning to the C-level some distance in the future. I want to hear what Gayle thinks. My views at this point are based on the incomplete information that's publicly available, and there are important unanswered questions in this situation. I hope we learn more from Gayle. I know that the easy thing to do is to drop this issue and move on to the next problem, but I agree with Thomasz that easy thing to do isn't necessarily the best thing to do. Sometimes the best things and the right things involve asking hard questions and having difficult conversations. I think it's probably tough on a lot of us to read and participate in this discussion. On-wiki discussions about whether people should be de-adminned or blocked are often public, and while I think it's appropriate that we have this difficult conversation in public since the actions that started this situation were public, this is an awfully difficult situation and I'm sorry that we're all in it. We need to deal with it as best we can. I wish it was easy. Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Google Planning Wireless Networks To Connect The Next 1B People
Kul Wadhwa wrote: Microsoft with other partners has also been working on bringing broadband to Kenya (and ultimately other African countries) via white spaces However, every party has their own agenda so hopefully competition lowers prices and gives people more choices. And having many entities working to get people internet access (esp those that really need it) is what we need to see more of... Kul, the FCC has been performing successful IEEE 802.16 WiMAX/MeFi whitespaces tests in at least three metropolitan areas since 2006. However, these pilots are actively opposed by carriers who lobby the FCC, states and municipalities, the FTC, and even hardware manufactures trying to stave off adoption because as soon as the correct approvals get rubber stamped, municipalities will be able to offer telephony services in competition with the mobile carriers. Would you please create an advocacy RFC about this? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)
On 26 May 2013 12:18, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net wrote: You cannot expect people to stop bringing this topic up until they get — in their feeling — satisfactory answers, and it is my impression that at least some people don't feel that way. +1 - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)
Personally I think this line of the conversation (people resigning/fired) is taking the situation a bit too far. At the least not having volunteers administer the WMF's wiki is just punishment already. It seems that the WMF is unlikely to change its policy, so the best they can do to heal the hurt caused by their action is to apologise (and perhaps explain their reasons), which they have done. If they had restored the admin rights, that would have healed some part of the hurt but not all of it, and the affected volunteers would still have the option to punish the WMF by not caring about their wiki (i.e. the same situation the WMF has chosen for itself). Apart from this tit-for-tat satisfaction and giving enough time to heal and restore the trusts and relationships, I do not think that further debating this decision would lead to any good results. I have the feeling that we will not get more satisfactory answers as the line of questioning going on creates a situation where the WMF can only defend themselves - I am sure they have shared their best arguments that can be published and the harder they are pushed the more likely they are going to scramble to make up further reasons (instead of either changing the decision or admitting that they had no better reasons) a situation that is unlikely to improve the situation in the way the questioners hope.[1] I would recommend for those personally hurt by the WMF's decision to accept the WMF's apology, stay in the movement but if they feel any satisfaction in it, mete out the punishment of not caring about the WMF's wiki, and move on. The people working at the WMF are multidimensional persons, one mistake does not defy them and I am sure the existing relationships will be healed through other channels of interaction and working together. For those of us who were not hurt (this time), I think it would be helpful if we moved the discussions towards more constructive areas: for example, helping come up with some guidelines on community-WMF interactions, including suggestions on best timing of news and the appropriate level and venue of consultations before major decisions, and making sure this kind of training is provided to WMF employees. Best regards, Bence [1] It is just an intuition, but I fear that this property of some questions (their pre-coded response) can be lowering the quality of some of the other community review discussions (FDC, GAC, AffCom) that rely on the QA format. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)
(typo fix) On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: Personally I think this line of the conversation (people resigning/fired) is taking the situation a bit too far. At the least not having volunteers administer the WMF's wiki is just punishment already. It seems that the WMF is unlikely to change its policy, so the best they can do to heal the hurt caused by their action is to apologise (and perhaps explain their reasons), which they have done. If they had restored the admin rights, that would have healed some part of the hurt but not all of it, and the affected volunteers would still have the option to punish the WMF by not caring about their wiki (i.e. the same situation the WMF has chosen for itself). Apart from this tit-for-tat satisfaction and giving enough time to heal and restore the trusts and relationships, I do not think that further debating this decision would lead to any good results. I have the feeling that we will not get more satisfactory answers as the line of questioning going on creates a situation where the WMF can only defend themselves - I am sure they have shared their best arguments that can be published and the harder they are pushed the more likely they are going to scramble to make up further reasons (instead of either changing the decision or admitting that they had no better reasons) a situation that is unlikely to improve the situation in the way the questioners hope.[1] I would recommend for those personally hurt by the WMF's decision to accept the WMF's apology, stay in the movement but if they feel any satisfaction in it, mete out the punishment of not caring about the WMF's wiki, and move on. The people working at the WMF are multidimensional persons, one mistake does not define them and I am sure the existing relationships will be healed through other channels of interaction and working together. For those of us who were not hurt (this time), I think it would be helpful if we moved the discussions towards more constructive areas: for example, helping come up with some guidelines on community-WMF interactions, including suggestions on best timing of news and the appropriate level and venue of consultations before major decisions, and making sure this kind of training is provided to WMF employees. Best regards, Bence [1] It is just an intuition, but I fear that this property of some questions (their pre-coded response) can be lowering the quality of some of the other community review discussions (FDC, GAC, AffCom) that rely on the QA format. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: Personally I think this line of the conversation (people resigning/fired) is taking the situation a bit too far. At the least not having volunteers administer the WMF's wiki is just punishment already. It seems that the WMF is unlikely to change its policy, so the best they can do to heal the hurt caused by their action is to apologise (and perhaps explain their reasons), which they have done. If they had restored the admin rights, that would have healed some part of the hurt but not all of it, and the affected volunteers would still have the option to punish the WMF by not caring about their wiki (i.e. the same situation the WMF has chosen for itself). Apart from this tit-for-tat satisfaction and giving enough time to heal and restore the trusts and relationships, I do not think that further debating this decision would lead to any good results. I have the feeling that we will not get more satisfactory answers as the line of questioning going on creates a situation where the WMF can only defend themselves - I am sure they have shared their best arguments that can be published and the harder they are pushed the more likely they are going to scramble to make up further reasons (instead of either changing the decision or admitting that they had no better reasons) a situation that is unlikely to improve the situation in the way the questioners hope.[1] I would recommend for those personally hurt by the WMF's decision to accept the WMF's apology, stay in the movement but if they feel any satisfaction in it, mete out the punishment of not caring about the WMF's wiki, and move on. The people working at the WMF are multidimensional persons, one mistake does not define them and I am sure the existing relationships will be healed through other channels of interaction and working together. For those of us who were not hurt (this time), I think it would be helpful if we moved the discussions towards more constructive areas: for example, helping come up with some guidelines on community-WMF interactions, including suggestions on best timing of news and the appropriate level and venue of consultations before major decisions, and making sure this kind of training is provided to WMF employees. Best regards, Bence [1] It is just an intuition, but I fear that this property of some questions (their pre-coded response) can be lowering the quality of some of the other community review discussions (FDC, GAC, AffCom) that rely on the QA format. Yes. Because ten years ago the community set WMF's agenda. But nowadays WMF staff sets the community's agenda and presents them as a done deal. Hurtful examples from the last year or two are now springing into my mind like a fountain. Deryck ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] SOPA related bill in Taiwan
My dear colleagues, Recently on May 21 the Taiwan Intellectual Property Office has announced that they will amend the Copyright Act to demand local ISPs to block illegal contents on foreign websites, just like the SOPA bill in USA last year. For more information, you can read the following news reports: Focus Taiwan: http://focustaiwan.tw/news/aall/201305210035.aspx ZDNet: http://www.zdnet.com/cn/taiwans-copyright-act-amendment-proposal-comes-under-fire-715943/ Now there are many Taiwan netizens protesting the bill: http://globalvoicesonline.org/2013/05/26/netizens-fear-copyright-amendment-will-bring-web-filter-system-to-taiwan/ But today we just see an news that TIPO just ignored these protests and insist that this bill will not harm the net freedom and rights of general users: http://newtalk.tw/news/2013/05/28/36854.html (it's in Chinese, you may use Google translate to read the news.) Indeed we should protect the copyright, but to ask ISPs to block websites is too over-reaction. We Wikimedia Taiwan is now against the bill and has just released an Chinese announcement on our official website to explain why we against the bill and ask the government to stop the act: http://bit.ly/ZbvTX0 We also started an discussion on zh.wp to ask the community if we could put the announcement as an global site notice, we even think about blackout zh.wp for 24 hours (the date is still in discussion): http://goo.gl/fXi8g This is because according to Alexa.com (http://Alexa.com), Wikipedia is now the top 10 website in Taiwan. To blackout Wikipedia in Taiwan should get the attention of TIPO and has some effects. My questions are: * Could we ask for blackout Wikipedia (not just zh.wp) ONLY for Taiwan IP? (Some users from China hope this blackout will not effect them) * If we could not blackout Wikipedia only for Taiwan IP, could we ask to blackout zh.wp? (from what we have discussed on zh.wp, the Chinese community has agreed on such blackout, but the date is still on discussion) * If we could implement such blackout, how soon it can be done? * What suggestions from you that we should do as an local Chapter? Thanks and Regards, Ted Chien Chairman Wikimedia Taiwan -- Blog: htttp://htchien.tw (http://htchien.tw/) Facebook: http://facebook.com/htchien Twitter: http://twitter.com/htchien LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/htchien ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] SOPA related bill in Taiwan
On 28 May, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com wrote: (from what we have discussed on zh.wp, the Chinese community has agreed on such blackout, but the date is still on discussion) For the record, I doubt if there is clear support/strong participation in the discussion. It is still to early to call it a consensus. If we could implement such blackout, how soon it can be done? (Speaking as a not-very-tech-savvy person) Depends on what exactly the community want to do. If we make use of CentralNotice's geo-targeting, it is very easy to implement a Taiwan-only blackout/site-notice/redirect-to-specific page etc. This involves no server side configuration change, volunteers will be able to get this done. The time consuming part is to write the banner and it's javascript, but that shouldn't take longer than a day of there is people willing to help. Regards, Benjamin Chen / [[User:Bencmq]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)
Hi. There's also the viewpoint that a person being fired could go overboard and do irreparable harm to the site and the public's view of the WMF. There's of course the possibility to revert the changes on the website, since it is a wiki, but very hard to do on the public opinion, like if a soon-to-be-fired admin changed a protected page to something which would damage public relations of the WMF. That's why many companies don't want fired employees to continue working for them after the employee termination has been announced. Of course a counter-argument would be that a majority of those admins wouldn't do something like that and I don't doubt their good intentions. But the WMF wouldn't be aware of which admin would go on an unwarranted rampage, if any, and who wouldn't. The safest approach would be to take away their admin privileges without a prior announcement. I do agree, though, that some kind of public announcement should have been made after the fact regarding this policy change and the former admins thanked for their contributions. With regards, Svavar Kjarrval signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] SOPA related bill in Taiwan
Hi Benjamin, Thanks for the reply. 2013/5/28 下午10:02 於 Benjamin Chen bencmqw...@gmail.com 寫道： On 28 May, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com wrote: (from what we have discussed on zh.wp, the Chinese community has agreed on such blackout, but the date is still on discussion) For the record, I doubt if there is clear support/strong participation in the discussion. It is still to early to call it a consensus. The discussion is still going on, and I can see people supporting our action. Surely there will be some doubts, and we will be happy to answer them and welcome them to join us. If we could implement such blackout, how soon it can be done? (Speaking as a not-very-tech-savvy person) Depends on what exactly the community want to do. If we make use of CentralNotice's geo-targeting, it is very easy to implement a Taiwan-only blackout/site-notice/redirect-to-specific page etc. This involves no server side configuration change, volunteers will be able to get this done. The time consuming part is to write the banner and it's javascript, but that shouldn't take longer than a day of there is people willing to help. As I previously point out in my first question: can it be geo-targeting? If it can, then I can agree that it would be easier. If it cannot, then properly we would need help from the foundation. Regards, Benjamin Chen / [[User:Bencmq]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] SOPA related bill in Taiwan
On 28 May, 2013, at 11:32 PM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com wrote: As I previously point out in my first question: can it be geo-targeting? With CentralNotice, yes you can make it target Taiwan users only. Regards, Benjamin Chen / [[User:Bencmq]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] SOPA related bill in Taiwan
On 2013年5月28日Tuesday at 下午11:37, Benjamin Chen wrote: On 28 May, 2013, at 11:32 PM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com (mailto:hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com) wrote: As I previously point out in my first question: can it be geo-targeting? With CentralNotice, yes you can make it target Taiwan users only. But to blackout Wikipedia would gain better media reactions, and people will know what the internet would like if the SOPA bill is been passed in Taiwan. Also, last year the SOPA issue was in USA, why we can blackout the whole en.wp and you think this time we don't have to blackout zh.wp just because it's only in Taiwan? For the record, I just read the news that Taipei City Information Office decided to put the block to its own free public WiFi service in a month from now, long before the TIPO amend the Copyright Act of Taiwan. The Taipei Free WiFi service has 200M+ users and has 300M+ visitors each month. News - Taipei City Government would follow TIPO to block websites within a Month (in Chinese): http://www.ettoday.net/news/20130528/213815.htm Regards, Ted ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Spanish Wikipedia first million
Great job on the video And congratulations for 1m articles! On May 27, 2013, at 9:50 PM, Ivan Martínez gala...@gmail.com wrote: In Puebla city, too :D 2013/5/27 Osmar Valdebenito os...@wikimedia.org.ar Thanks for the announcement, Salvador. It was a really hard work to coordinate the recordings in Buenos Aires, Puebla, Jerusalem and La Paz, but I think we did a good job :) *Osmar Valdebenito G.* Director Ejecutivo A. C. Wikimedia Argentina 2013/5/26 Salvador A salvador1...@gmail.com Also, it's in Commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Un_mill%C3%B3n_de_gracias,_de_Wikipedia_en_espa%C3%B1ol.webm 2013/5/26 Salvador A salvador1...@gmail.com To celebrate this milestone, Iberocoop chapters have made this video that we share with you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SLw_Z8w604 Enjoy it! Regards! 2013/5/17 ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com Felicitaciones a la española Wikipedia! http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fogos_artificiais.jpg Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- *Salvador Alcántar* -- *Salvador Alcántar* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- *Atentamente: Iván Martínez Presidente Wikimedia México A.C. wikimedia.mx Imagina un mundo en donde cada persona del planeta pueda tener acceso libre a la suma total del conocimiento humano. Eso es lo que estamos haciendo http://es.wikipedia.org. * ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] SOPA related bill in Taiwan
Don't get me wrong. CentralNotice can be used to block the entire page. It was used for the SOPA blackout. :) Regards, Benjamin Chen / [[User:Bencmq]] On 29 May, 2013, at 12:45 AM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013年5月28日Tuesday at 下午11:37, Benjamin Chen wrote: On 28 May, 2013, at 11:32 PM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com (mailto:hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com) wrote: As I previously point out in my first question: can it be geo-targeting? With CentralNotice, yes you can make it target Taiwan users only. But to blackout Wikipedia would gain better media reactions, and people will know what the internet would like if the SOPA bill is been passed in Taiwan. Also, last year the SOPA issue was in USA, why we can blackout the whole en.wp and you think this time we don't have to blackout zh.wp just because it's only in Taiwan? For the record, I just read the news that Taipei City Information Office decided to put the block to its own free public WiFi service in a month from now, long before the TIPO amend the Copyright Act of Taiwan. The Taipei Free WiFi service has 200M+ users and has 300M+ visitors each month. News - Taipei City Government would follow TIPO to block websites within a Month (in Chinese): http://www.ettoday.net/news/20130528/213815.htm Regards, Ted ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)
On May 28, 2013, at 12:38 AM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: However, I have concerns about keeping Gayle in the Chief Talent and Culture Officer position. This type of conversation is really not helpful in any way. I don't know what you're expecting here. --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)
Pine says no one suggested firing Gayle or Philippe; I think it's clear that whatever semantics are invoked, he did suggest just that. That's beyond inappropriate, in my view, and an example of the toxic environment that will lead to less fruitful communication from the WMF and not more. It's not in Pine's remit as a volunteer to propose that WMF employees be demoted, especially over something as picayune as administrator rights on a wiki with minimal traffic and less importance. It's unfathomable that Pine thinks he should be writing to Gayle in this way, as if he were her superior and she was obligated to justify her continued employment to him personally. In multiple comments in recent posts Pine has implied that he has real-world expertise in this area... at this point, I find that implication unsupported by evidence of communication skills or the ability to appropriately judge context and audience reaction. It's not traditional to so directly call out a commenter on this list for posts that step over the line, particularly when they remain civil despite being wildly inappropriate. But I think we need to understand that the relationship between volunteers (especially those on the mailing lists) and the WMF is a two way street. We can't expect them to engage better with us if we permit, even by silence, this type of haranguing to continue unchallenged. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)
Hi, I strongly believe that the Foundation shouldn't do actions like this on a Friday. In this case there was a major discussion about it and nobody from the foundation was there to respond. But this week the new MediaWiki version is released on Friday, there is a bug (wrong version details) the bug is minor but there is nobody to fix it untill today. The team say's its just a small bug... But if somebody install new software and it says release candidate they can lose trust. Maybe we should make a policy that a mass-desysop, a new release or any other statement shouldn't be on Friday so that there is somebody arround to respond. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On May 28, 2013, at 12:38 AM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: However, I have concerns about keeping Gayle in the Chief Talent and Culture Officer position. This type of conversation is really not helpful in any way. I don't know what you're expecting here. --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] SOPA related bill in Taiwan
Thanks for the explanation, I just saw your comment on zh.wp. Regards, Ted Chien -- Sent from my HTC One 2013/5/29 上午12:48 於 Benjamin Chen bencmqw...@gmail.com 寫道： Don't get me wrong. CentralNotice can be used to block the entire page. It was used for the SOPA blackout. :) Regards, Benjamin Chen / [[User:Bencmq]] On 29 May, 2013, at 12:45 AM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013年5月28日Tuesday at 下午11:37, Benjamin Chen wrote: On 28 May, 2013, at 11:32 PM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com(mailto: hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com) wrote: As I previously point out in my first question: can it be geo-targeting? With CentralNotice, yes you can make it target Taiwan users only. But to blackout Wikipedia would gain better media reactions, and people will know what the internet would like if the SOPA bill is been passed in Taiwan. Also, last year the SOPA issue was in USA, why we can blackout the whole en.wp and you think this time we don't have to blackout zh.wp just because it's only in Taiwan? For the record, I just read the news that Taipei City Information Office decided to put the block to its own free public WiFi service in a month from now, long before the TIPO amend the Copyright Act of Taiwan. The Taipei Free WiFi service has 200M+ users and has 300M+ visitors each month. News - Taipei City Government would follow TIPO to block websites within a Month (in Chinese): http://www.ettoday.net/news/20130528/213815.htm Regards, Ted ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero in Google search result
Looping Dan Foy in who's managing the Zero backlog. On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:01 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: K. Peachey wrote: Can you please file this in bugzilla https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48856 MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Pine says no one suggested firing Gayle or Philippe; I think it's clear that whatever semantics are invoked, he did suggest just that. That's beyond inappropriate, in my view, and an example of the toxic environment that will lead to less fruitful communication from the WMF and not more. It's not in Pine's remit as a volunteer to propose that WMF employees be demoted, especially over something as picayune as administrator rights on a wiki with minimal traffic and less importance. It's unfathomable that Pine thinks he should be writing to Gayle in this way, as if he were her superior and she was obligated to justify her continued employment to him personally. In multiple comments in recent posts Pine has implied that he has real-world expertise in this area... at this point, I find that implication unsupported by evidence of communication skills or the ability to appropriately judge context and audience reaction. It's not traditional to so directly call out a commenter on this list for posts that step over the line, particularly when they remain civil despite being wildly inappropriate. But I think we need to understand that the relationship between volunteers (especially those on the mailing lists) and the WMF is a two way street. We can't expect them to engage better with us if we permit, even by silence, this type of haranguing to continue unchallenged. I agree with this; thanks for saying it. ==about communication in general== I think it's worth remembering we all judge each other on the tone and content of messages that we send here (some sending pseudonymously, some not). Sometimes I think many of us feel comfortable in saying things that we might think privately or say casually to a friend, without thinking about how: a) hundreds of people, including people who have spent years and years devoted to this work (staff and volunteers alike) may read it and be affected*; b) these messages are how our own reputations get shaped online, both good and bad; c) we all just have one perspective on Wikimedia, shaped by our own experience, which is not necessarily the same as everyone else's. -- phoebe * I've had plenty of bad days because of the way Wikimedia-l threads made me feel about our projects, and plenty of good ones too. I'm not alone in this. -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers at gmail.com * ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] evaluation of electronics articles
I ran across this paragraph in the preface to O'Reilly's new book Encyclopedia of Electronic Components. [1] I'm not sure that I've ever seen an evaluation of Wikipedia's electronics coverage before, but to me this sounds like a pretty good description of a lot of our engineering articles (at least in English)... Wikipedia’s coverage of electronics is impressive but inconsistent. Some entries are elementary, while others are extremely technical. Some are shallow, while others are deep. Some are well organized, while others run off into obscure topics that may have interested one of the contributors but are of little practical value to most readers. Many topics are distributed over multiple entries, forcing you to hunt through several URLs. Overall, Wikipedia tends to be good if you want theory, but not-so-good if you want hands-on practicality. -- phoebe 1. http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920026105.do -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers at gmail.com * ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Spanish Wikipedia first million
Felicitaciones! -Dan Dan Rosenthal On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Victor Grigas vgri...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Great job on the video And congratulations for 1m articles! On May 27, 2013, at 9:50 PM, Ivan Martínez gala...@gmail.com wrote: In Puebla city, too :D 2013/5/27 Osmar Valdebenito os...@wikimedia.org.ar Thanks for the announcement, Salvador. It was a really hard work to coordinate the recordings in Buenos Aires, Puebla, Jerusalem and La Paz, but I think we did a good job :) *Osmar Valdebenito G.* Director Ejecutivo A. C. Wikimedia Argentina 2013/5/26 Salvador A salvador1...@gmail.com Also, it's in Commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Un_mill%C3%B3n_de_gracias,_de_Wikipedia_en_espa%C3%B1ol.webm 2013/5/26 Salvador A salvador1...@gmail.com To celebrate this milestone, Iberocoop chapters have made this video that we share with you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SLw_Z8w604 Enjoy it! Regards! 2013/5/17 ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com Felicitaciones a la española Wikipedia! http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fogos_artificiais.jpg Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- *Salvador Alcántar* -- *Salvador Alcántar* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- *Atentamente: Iván Martínez Presidente Wikimedia México A.C. wikimedia.mx Imagina un mundo en donde cada persona del planeta pueda tener acceso libre a la suma total del conocimiento humano. Eso es lo que estamos haciendo http://es.wikipedia.org. * ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)
I don't know what to do. I lost sleep thinking about this situation last night. I think I'm still in shock and I'm frustrated. The normal situation on wiki is to have this kind of discussion in public for actions that happen on any wiki that I know of. There were similarly public discussions about what happened in WMUK. Maybe that's wrong. I don't know. I worried that if I said nothing that it would be wrong, and I worry that saying something is wrong too. I'm withdrawing from this discussion for now. I wish I knew what the right thing to do was. I'm very sorry. Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] evaluation of electronics articles
I think that is a pretty good analysis of the entire project. It is directly related to lack of editorial control and the impossibility of being able to assign writers to problem areas. Fred I ran across this paragraph in the preface to O'Reilly's new book Encyclopedia of Electronic Components. [1] I'm not sure that I've ever seen an evaluation of Wikipedia's electronics coverage before, but to me this sounds like a pretty good description of a lot of our engineering articles (at least in English)... Wikipediaâs coverage of electronics is impressive but inconsistent. Some entries are elementary, while others are extremely technical. Some are shallow, while others are deep. Some are well organized, while others run off into obscure topics that may have interested one of the contributors but are of little practical value to most readers. Many topics are distributed over multiple entries, forcing you to hunt through several URLs. Overall, Wikipedia tends to be good if you want theory, but not-so-good if you want hands-on practicality. -- phoebe 1. http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920026105.do -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers at gmail.com * ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] evaluation of electronics articles
I usually say Wikipedia consist of some hundred different encyclopedias on different topics. And some of these are excellent and have full covering, like popes, birds, where wp is better then all other encyclopedia in all aspects Other subject area are more uneven both in covering and in content for each article, as this review give an example of for electronic I am also convinced that one of the most important focuses on our editorial work is in getting a complete covering in as many subjects as possible. This is one of the reasons I do believe we need to develop (semi) automatic generation of articles from official databases (like the project to have articles on All lakes in x-country I have written of). Also that Wikidata have a key role in this new focus, enabling us to have a common repository for these common basic data Anders Fred Bauder skrev 2013-05-28 21:18: I think that is a pretty good analysis of the entire project. It is directly related to lack of editorial control and the impossibility of being able to assign writers to problem areas. Fred I ran across this paragraph in the preface to O'Reilly's new book Encyclopedia of Electronic Components. [1] I'm not sure that I've ever seen an evaluation of Wikipedia's electronics coverage before, but to me this sounds like a pretty good description of a lot of our engineering articles (at least in English)... Wikipediaâs coverage of electronics is impressive but inconsistent. Some entries are elementary, while others are extremely technical. Some are shallow, while others are deep. Some are well organized, while others run off into obscure topics that may have interested one of the contributors but are of little practical value to most readers. Many topics are distributed over multiple entries, forcing you to hunt through several URLs. Overall, Wikipedia tends to be good if you want theory, but not-so-good if you want hands-on practicality. -- phoebe 1. http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920026105.do -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers at gmail.com * ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero in Google search result
Adam Baso (copied on this email) is working on it and a fix is ready. He'll do some testing to make sure it's resolved. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Tomasz Finc tf...@wikimedia.org wrote: Looping Dan Foy in who's managing the Zero backlog. On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:01 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: K. Peachey wrote: Can you please file this in bugzilla https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48856 MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Kul Wadhwa Head of Mobile Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero in Google search result
Hello All, We had shelved my patch, patch 64629 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/64629, in hopes that an earlier patch, patch 61809https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/61809(bug 35233 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35233), would resolve the issue naturally as Google re-indexed. But it appears Google has re-indexed and yet the .zero.wikipedia.org URLs are still present in Google's index, instead of the language.wikipedia.org URLs. I have thus resubmitted patch 64629 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/64629 for re-review. We will need to further discuss whether it is appropriate to have Google completely remove .zero.wikipedia.org links from their cache, or if perhaps we need to open a support thread with Google about canonical URLs. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Kul Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.org wrote: Adam Baso (copied on this email) is working on it and a fix is ready. He'll do some testing to make sure it's resolved. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Tomasz Finc tf...@wikimedia.org wrote: Looping Dan Foy in who's managing the Zero backlog. On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:01 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: K. Peachey wrote: Can you please file this in bugzilla https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48856 MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Kul Wadhwa Head of Mobile Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WikimediaMobile] Wikipedia Zero in Google search result
At some level there seems to be a change in google (or our) settings that are doing this everywhere. I've also been seeing a lot of links indexed and appearing in google as the primary domain too (wikipedia.org/wiki/Bostonrather then en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston, seen it on Wikivoyage as well and I assume the others). At some level we're probably going to want to figure out what's happening because at some point down the road 'something' changed just not sure on what side. James Alexander Legal and Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Adam Baso ab...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hello All, We had shelved my patch, patch 64629https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/64629, in hopes that an earlier patch, patch 61809https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/61809(bug 35233 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35233), would resolve the issue naturally as Google re-indexed. But it appears Google has re-indexed and yet the .zero.wikipedia.org URLs are still present in Google's index, instead of the language.wikipedia.org URLs. I have thus resubmitted patch 64629 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/64629 for re-review. We will need to further discuss whether it is appropriate to have Google completely remove .zero.wikipedia.org links from their cache, or if perhaps we need to open a support thread with Google about canonical URLs. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Kul Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.org wrote: Adam Baso (copied on this email) is working on it and a fix is ready. He'll do some testing to make sure it's resolved. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Tomasz Finc tf...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Looping Dan Foy in who's managing the Zero backlog. On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:01 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: K. Peachey wrote: Can you please file this in bugzilla https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48856 MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Kul Wadhwa Head of Mobile Wikimedia Foundation ___ Mobile-l mailing list mobil...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WikimediaMobile] Wikipedia Zero in Google search result
FWIW Adding debug=true on zero domains should show the canonical url to be present. As stated before this will fix itself within less than 30 days as the caches update. e.g. http://hak.zero.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%A8u-Ya%CC%8Dp?debug=true As James points out the main site doesn't use canonical urls and probably should... but I'd say that's another bug. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:58 PM, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org wrote: Sorry for the double post: For what it's worth It does not appear that we have a canonical url appearing on most pages. Mobile has canonical pointing to the main site but neither zero or the main site have a canonical expressly stated. James Alexander Legal and Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:53 PM, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.orgwrote: At some level there seems to be a change in google (or our) settings that are doing this everywhere. I've also been seeing a lot of links indexed and appearing in google as the primary domain too (wikipedia.org/wiki/Bostonrather then en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston, seen it on Wikivoyage as well and I assume the others). At some level we're probably going to want to figure out what's happening because at some point down the road 'something' changed just not sure on what side. James Alexander Legal and Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Adam Baso ab...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hello All, We had shelved my patch, patch 64629https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/64629, in hopes that an earlier patch, patch 61809https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/61809(bug 35233 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35233), would resolve the issue naturally as Google re-indexed. But it appears Google has re-indexed and yet the .zero.wikipedia.org URLs are still present in Google's index, instead of the language.wikipedia.org URLs. I have thus resubmitted patch 64629https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/64629 for re-review. We will need to further discuss whether it is appropriate to have Google completely remove .zero.wikipedia.org links from their cache, or if perhaps we need to open a support thread with Google about canonical URLs. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Kul Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Adam Baso (copied on this email) is working on it and a fix is ready. He'll do some testing to make sure it's resolved. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Tomasz Finc tf...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Looping Dan Foy in who's managing the Zero backlog. On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:01 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: K. Peachey wrote: Can you please file this in bugzilla https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org ? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48856 MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Kul Wadhwa Head of Mobile Wikimedia Foundation ___ Mobile-l mailing list mobil...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Jon Robson http://jonrobson.me.uk @rakugojon ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] evaluation of electronics articles
On 28.05.2013 19:40, phoebe ayers wrote: I ran across this paragraph in the preface to O'Reilly's new book Encyclopedia of Electronic Components. [1] I'm not sure that I've ever seen an evaluation of Wikipedia's electronics coverage before, but to me this sounds like a pretty good description of a lot of our engineering articles (at least in English)... Wikipedia’s coverage of electronics is impressive but inconsistent. Some entries are elementary, while others are extremely technical. Some are shallow, while others are deep. Some are well organized, while others run off into obscure topics that may have interested one of the contributors but are of little practical value to most readers. Many topics are distributed over multiple entries, forcing you to hunt through several URLs. Overall, Wikipedia tends to be good if you want theory, but not-so-good if you want hands-on practicality. -- phoebe 1. http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920026105.do Very accurate description of the state of articles at least in natural and technical sciences in the English Wikipedia. Cheers Yaroslav ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] evaluation of electronics articles
...and engineering (theory ok to good, practical often very weak). And varies across fields radically... On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ruwrote: On 28.05.2013 19:40, phoebe ayers wrote: I ran across this paragraph in the preface to O'Reilly's new book Encyclopedia of Electronic Components. [1] I'm not sure that I've ever seen an evaluation of Wikipedia's electronics coverage before, but to me this sounds like a pretty good description of a lot of our engineering articles (at least in English)... Wikipedia’s coverage of electronics is impressive but inconsistent. Some entries are elementary, while others are extremely technical. Some are shallow, while others are deep. Some are well organized, while others run off into obscure topics that may have interested one of the contributors but are of little practical value to most readers. Many topics are distributed over multiple entries, forcing you to hunt through several URLs. Overall, Wikipedia tends to be good if you want theory, but not-so-good if you want hands-on practicality. -- phoebe 1. http://shop.oreilly.com/**product/0636920026105.dohttp://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920026105.do Very accurate description of the state of articles at least in natural and technical sciences in the English Wikipedia. Cheers Yaroslav __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Grantmaking Quarterly Review notes posted on Meta
Hi all, The minutes and slides from the Quarterly Review meeting of the Grantmaking team have now been posted on Meta: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/Quarterly_reviews/Grantmaking,_2013-05-15 Cheers, Adele -- *Adele Vrana* Senior Project Assistant to the Grantmaking Programs Department Wikimedia Foundation +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6773 avr...@wikimedia.org *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment. Donate.https://donate.wikimedia.org/ * ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] FDC IRC office hours on the LOI in 3 minutes!
Hi everyone, As announced earlier, the FDC support team is holding office hours on #wikimedia-office to speak about questions on the Letter of Intent process in a few minutes and again at 15:00 UTC (Wednesday May 29). * Wendesday, May 29 at 0:00 UTC * Wednesday, May 29 at 15:00 UTC We look forward to speaking to you! Katy -- Forwarded message -- From: Katy Love kl...@wikimedia.org Date: Thu, May 16, 2013 at 2:45 PM Subject: FDC Letter of Intent due June 8 IRC office hours To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Dear members of the Wikimedia community, You will have seen an email recently from Patricio Lorente and Jan-Bart de Vreede, the Board Reps to the Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC), about the FDC's new Letter of Intent process. The Letter of Intent (LOI) is the first step in applying for funds from the FDC, as outlined in the FDC Framework. [1] This upcoming year (2013-2014) will be the first time we institute the LOI process. As you heard from them, we anticipate the LOI will be a helpful planning tool for the FDC as well as offering us a chance to begin working with entities in advance of the FDC proposal deadline. We hope it will allow us to work closely with applying entities and to address questions and concerns (and clear up any misunderstandings) significantly before the proposal deadline. Interested entities must submit an Letter of Intent in order to apply for FDC funding. For Round 1 of 2013-2014, the LOI is due on June 8. The LOI asks potential FDC applicants to state their intentions to apply and to include a notional dollar figure (or local currency figure). The Letter of Intent can be created on the FDC portal [2], and a sample is here for your reference [3]. The LOI is non-binding, but it is required in order to be able to submit a proposal for Round 1. In anticipation of the LOI's June 8 deadline, the FDC staff is holding office hours twice to respond to questions. We welcome entities considering applying for Round 1 funding to join us. Our two office hours will be held on #wikimedia-office on: * Wednesday, May 29 at 0:00 UTC * Wednesday, May 29 at 15:00 UTC These two sessions will have the following agenda: 1. Introductions 2. Brief explanation of the FDC 3. Explanation of the purpose of the Letter of Intent and general FDC proposal process 4. QA on the LOI And finally, for your reference, here is the 2013-2014 Round 1 proposal process [4] schedule: - *Letter of Intent deadline for Round 1: 8 June 2013* - Deadline for WMF Staff to post eligibility: 15 July 2013 - Deadline for entities to meet eligibility requirements: 15 September 2013 - Proposal submission deadline: 1 October 2013 - Community review period: 1 October - 31 October 2013 - Staff assessment deadline: 8 November 2013 - FDC recommendation due: 1 December 2013 - Board decision due: 1 January 2014 As always, contact us questions or requests for support: fdcsupp...@wikimedia.org. Warm regards, Katy and the FDC support team [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Framework_for_the_Creation_and_Initial_Operation_of_the_FDC#Process_overview [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Sample_letter_of_intent [4] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposal_process ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero in Google search result
All, My mistake. The pages in Google's index that I used for sampling - the ones that have Sorry, ... in their description in Google search results - are cached pages. I assumed incorrectly that those pages were based on recent indexing (e.g., in the past few days). I think we can actually stick to the original plan of Google re-indexing and the search results de-emphasizing the language.zero.wikipedia.orglinks within the next 30 days. I still find it strange that there are language.zero.wikipedia.org links that turned up higher in the search engine rankings than their better-established language.wikipedia.org counterparts. But I suppose with fewer competing page elements, especially on long-tail articles with fewer or no direct links to the desktop page, this is maybe not totally unexpected. -Adam On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Adam Baso ab...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hello All, We had shelved my patch, patch 64629https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/64629, in hopes that an earlier patch, patch 61809https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/61809(bug 35233 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35233), would resolve the issue naturally as Google re-indexed. But it appears Google has re-indexed and yet the .zero.wikipedia.org URLs are still present in Google's index, instead of the language.wikipedia.org URLs. I have thus resubmitted patch 64629 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/64629 for re-review. We will need to further discuss whether it is appropriate to have Google completely remove .zero.wikipedia.org links from their cache, or if perhaps we need to open a support thread with Google about canonical URLs. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Kul Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.org wrote: Adam Baso (copied on this email) is working on it and a fix is ready. He'll do some testing to make sure it's resolved. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Tomasz Finc tf...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Looping Dan Foy in who's managing the Zero backlog. On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:01 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: K. Peachey wrote: Can you please file this in bugzilla https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48856 MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Kul Wadhwa Head of Mobile Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] New designs for account creation and login rolling out gradually to all projects
Hi everyone, Per our blog post last month,[1] we've been testing redesigns for account creation and login across the projects. We've been doing so on an opt-in basis, but we've dealt with any major bugs and translations are complete for quite a few languages. Starting tomorrow and barring any last minute hiccups, we're going to start rolling out the new designs. Right now we're limiting it to about 30 projects, including the following... - Wikipedia in 21 languages, including English, German, French, Italian, Polish, Dutch, Chinese, Hebrew, Arabic, Korean, Czech, Swedish, and others. - In English: Wikibooks, Wikisource, Wikispecies, Wikinews, Wiktionary, and Wikiquote. - Wikimedia Commons - Wikidata - Meta - MediaWiki .org There are still local customizations that will need to be made in many of these, but they are the kind of thing that doesn't require a developer to do, just edits to the wiki. Look for announcements soon on your local Village Pump equivalent for more info, or check out our testing documentation.[2] I'll be around to help any of these wikis that don't have an admin handy to make requested changes. The remaining projects we have held off on because there are localizations still to be completed (on translatewiki) or there are problems with localizations already finished. Since the work of localizations is never 100% complete however, we are putting out a hard *deadline of June 5th*, after which we'll be turning on the forms for all projects, in all languages. If you're interested in learning more about which wikis in particular need help, please email me off-list or get in touch via my user talk page anywhere. Please speak up if you have any questions. You can still try these new forms on any Wikimedia project via the method mentioned in the two links below... 1. http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/04/25/try-new-login-accountcreation/ 2. mediawiki.org/wiki/Account_creation_user_experience/Testing -- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/ P.S. Sorry if there are odd linebreaks in this message. Has anyone figured out how to avoid this in Gmail? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
