Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)

2013-05-28 Thread ENWP Pine



Sigh. This is a difficult situation. I don't think anyone has suggested that 
firing Gayle or Philippe should happen. However, I have concerns about keeping 
Gayle in the Chief Talent and Culture Officer position. I directed that concern 
to her and I want to hear what she thinks. There may be good reasons to keep 
her in that position, on the other hand it might be better if she had some time 
to learn in a WMF position for which she's a better fit at the moment. At a top 
5 website I think the performance expectations for C-level positions are high 
with good reason. I have significant concerns when someone with many years of 
leadership development experience makes the kind of mistakes that she appears 
to have made, especially when that person is the C-level officer that is 
supposed to be the subject matter expert in that area for all of WMF and that 
person is heavily involved in selecting the next ED. My experiences with Gayle 
prior to this one were positive and I've heard good things about her from 
others, but this situation should be examined with great care.

I currently hope that Gayle stays with WMF, but perhaps in a different position 
for awhile with the option of returning to the C-level some distance in the 
future. I want to hear what Gayle thinks. My views at this point are based on 
the incomplete information that's publicly available, and there are important 
unanswered questions in this situation. I hope we learn more from Gayle.

I know that the easy thing to do is to drop this issue and move on to the next 
problem, but I agree with Thomasz that easy thing to do isn't necessarily the 
best thing to do. Sometimes the best things and the right things involve asking 
hard questions and having difficult conversations.

 I think it's probably tough on a lot of us to 
read and participate in this discussion. On-wiki discussions about whether 
people should be de-adminned or blocked
 are often public, and while I think it's appropriate that we have this 
difficult conversation in public since the actions that started this 
situation were public, this is an awfully difficult situation and I'm sorry 
that we're all in it. We need to deal with it as best we can. I wish it was 
easy.

Pine

  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Google Planning Wireless Networks To Connect The Next 1B People

2013-05-28 Thread James Salsman
Kul Wadhwa wrote:

 Microsoft with other partners has also been working on bringing broadband
 to Kenya (and ultimately other African countries) via white spaces
 However, every party has their own agenda so hopefully competition lowers
 prices and gives people more choices. And having many entities working to
 get people internet access (esp those that really need it) is what we need
 to see more of...

Kul, the FCC has been performing successful IEEE 802.16 WiMAX/MeFi
whitespaces tests in at least three metropolitan areas since 2006. However,
these pilots are actively opposed by carriers who lobby the FCC, states and
municipalities, the FTC, and even hardware manufactures trying to stave off
adoption because as soon as the correct approvals get rubber stamped,
municipalities will be able to offer telephony services in competition with
the mobile carriers.

Would you please create an advocacy RFC about this?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)

2013-05-28 Thread David Gerard
On 26 May 2013 12:18, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net wrote:

 You cannot expect people to stop bringing this topic up until they get — in
 their feeling — satisfactory answers, and it is my impression that at least
 some people don't feel that way.


+1


- d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)

2013-05-28 Thread Bence Damokos
Personally I think this line of the conversation (people resigning/fired)
is taking the situation a bit too far.
At the least not having volunteers administer the WMF's wiki is just
punishment already.

It seems that the WMF is unlikely to change its policy, so the best they
can do to heal the hurt caused by their action is to apologise (and perhaps
explain their reasons), which they have done.
If they had restored the admin rights, that would have healed some part of
the hurt but not all of it, and the affected volunteers would still have
the option to punish the WMF by not caring about their wiki (i.e. the
same situation the WMF has chosen for itself). Apart from this tit-for-tat
satisfaction and giving enough time to heal and restore the trusts and
relationships, I do not think that further debating this decision would
lead to any good results.

I have the feeling that we will not get more satisfactory answers as the
line of questioning going on creates a situation where the WMF can only
defend themselves - I am sure they have shared their best arguments that
can be published and the harder they are pushed the more likely they are
going to scramble to make up further reasons (instead of either changing
the decision or admitting that they had no better reasons) a situation that
is unlikely to improve the situation in the way the questioners hope.[1]

I would recommend for those personally hurt by the WMF's decision to accept
the WMF's apology, stay in the movement but if they feel any satisfaction
in it, mete out the punishment of not caring about the WMF's wiki, and move
on. The people working at the WMF are multidimensional persons, one mistake
does not defy them and I am sure the existing relationships will be healed
through other channels of interaction and working together.

For those of us who were not hurt (this time), I think it would be helpful
if we moved the discussions towards more constructive areas: for example,
helping come up with some guidelines on community-WMF interactions,
including suggestions on best timing of news and the appropriate level and
venue of consultations before major decisions, and making sure this kind of
training is provided to WMF employees.

Best regards,
Bence


[1] It is just an intuition, but I fear that this property of some
questions (their pre-coded response) can be lowering the quality of some
of the other community review discussions (FDC, GAC, AffCom) that rely on
the QA format.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)

2013-05-28 Thread Bence Damokos
(typo fix)


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Personally I think this line of the conversation (people resigning/fired)
 is taking the situation a bit too far.
 At the least not having volunteers administer the WMF's wiki is just
 punishment already.

 It seems that the WMF is unlikely to change its policy, so the best they
 can do to heal the hurt caused by their action is to apologise (and perhaps
 explain their reasons), which they have done.
 If they had restored the admin rights, that would have healed some part of
 the hurt but not all of it, and the affected volunteers would still have
 the option to punish the WMF by not caring about their wiki (i.e. the
 same situation the WMF has chosen for itself). Apart from this tit-for-tat
 satisfaction and giving enough time to heal and restore the trusts and
 relationships, I do not think that further debating this decision would
 lead to any good results.

 I have the feeling that we will not get more satisfactory answers as the
 line of questioning going on creates a situation where the WMF can only
 defend themselves - I am sure they have shared their best arguments that
 can be published and the harder they are pushed the more likely they are
 going to scramble to make up further reasons (instead of either changing
 the decision or admitting that they had no better reasons) a situation that
 is unlikely to improve the situation in the way the questioners hope.[1]

 I would recommend for those personally hurt by the WMF's decision to
 accept the WMF's apology, stay in the movement but if they feel any
 satisfaction in it, mete out the punishment of not caring about the WMF's
 wiki, and move on. The people working at the WMF are multidimensional
 persons, one mistake does not define them and I am sure the existing
 relationships will be healed through other channels of interaction and
 working together.

 For those of us who were not hurt (this time), I think it would be helpful
 if we moved the discussions towards more constructive areas: for example,
 helping come up with some guidelines on community-WMF interactions,
 including suggestions on best timing of news and the appropriate level and
 venue of consultations before major decisions, and making sure this kind of
 training is provided to WMF employees.

 Best regards,
 Bence


 [1] It is just an intuition, but I fear that this property of some
 questions (their pre-coded response) can be lowering the quality of some
 of the other community review discussions (FDC, GAC, AffCom) that rely on
 the QA format.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)

2013-05-28 Thread Deryck Chan
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote:


  Personally I think this line of the conversation (people resigning/fired)
  is taking the situation a bit too far.
  At the least not having volunteers administer the WMF's wiki is just
  punishment already.
 
  It seems that the WMF is unlikely to change its policy, so the best they
  can do to heal the hurt caused by their action is to apologise (and
 perhaps
  explain their reasons), which they have done.
  If they had restored the admin rights, that would have healed some part
 of
  the hurt but not all of it, and the affected volunteers would still have
  the option to punish the WMF by not caring about their wiki (i.e. the
  same situation the WMF has chosen for itself). Apart from this
 tit-for-tat
  satisfaction and giving enough time to heal and restore the trusts and
  relationships, I do not think that further debating this decision would
  lead to any good results.
 
  I have the feeling that we will not get more satisfactory answers as the
  line of questioning going on creates a situation where the WMF can only
  defend themselves - I am sure they have shared their best arguments that
  can be published and the harder they are pushed the more likely they are
  going to scramble to make up further reasons (instead of either changing
  the decision or admitting that they had no better reasons) a situation
 that
  is unlikely to improve the situation in the way the questioners hope.[1]
 
  I would recommend for those personally hurt by the WMF's decision to
  accept the WMF's apology, stay in the movement but if they feel any
  satisfaction in it, mete out the punishment of not caring about the WMF's
  wiki, and move on. The people working at the WMF are multidimensional
  persons, one mistake does not define them and I am sure the existing
  relationships will be healed through other channels of interaction and
  working together.
 
  For those of us who were not hurt (this time), I think it would be
 helpful
  if we moved the discussions towards more constructive areas: for example,
  helping come up with some guidelines on community-WMF interactions,
  including suggestions on best timing of news and the appropriate level
 and
  venue of consultations before major decisions, and making sure this kind
 of
  training is provided to WMF employees.
 
  Best regards,
  Bence
 
 
  [1] It is just an intuition, but I fear that this property of some
  questions (their pre-coded response) can be lowering the quality of
 some
  of the other community review discussions (FDC, GAC, AffCom) that rely on
  the QA format.


Yes. Because ten years ago the community set WMF's agenda. But nowadays WMF
staff sets the community's agenda and presents them as a done deal. Hurtful
examples from the last year or two are now springing into my mind like a
fountain.

Deryck


 
 
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[Wikimedia-l] SOPA related bill in Taiwan

2013-05-28 Thread Ted Chien
My dear colleagues,

Recently on May 21 the Taiwan Intellectual Property Office has announced
that they will amend the Copyright Act to demand local ISPs to block
illegal contents on foreign websites, just like the SOPA bill in USA last
year. For more information, you can read the following news reports:

Focus Taiwan:
http://focustaiwan.tw/news/aall/201305210035.aspx

ZDNet:
http://www.zdnet.com/cn/taiwans-copyright-act-amendment-proposal-comes-under-fire-715943/

Now there are many Taiwan netizens protesting the bill:

http://globalvoicesonline.org/2013/05/26/netizens-fear-copyright-amendment-will-bring-web-filter-system-to-taiwan/

But today we just see an news that TIPO just ignored these protests and
insist that this bill will not harm the net freedom and rights of general
users:

http://newtalk.tw/news/2013/05/28/36854.html (it's in Chinese, you may use
Google translate to read the news.)

Indeed we should protect the copyright, but to ask ISPs to block websites
is too over-reaction.

We Wikimedia Taiwan is now against the bill and has just released an
Chinese announcement on our official website to explain why we against the
bill and ask the government to stop the act:

http://bit.ly/ZbvTX0

We also started an discussion on zh.wp to ask the community if we could put
the announcement as an global site notice, we even think about blackout
zh.wp for 24 hours (the date is still in discussion):

http://goo.gl/fXi8g

This is because according to Alexa.com (http://Alexa.com), Wikipedia is now
the top 10 website in Taiwan. To blackout Wikipedia in Taiwan should get
the attention of TIPO and has some effects.

My questions are:

* Could we ask for blackout Wikipedia (not just zh.wp) ONLY for Taiwan IP?
(Some users from China hope this blackout will not effect them)
* If we could not blackout Wikipedia only for Taiwan IP, could we ask to
blackout zh.wp? (from what we have discussed on zh.wp, the Chinese
community has agreed on such blackout, but the date is still on discussion)
* If we could implement such blackout, how soon it can be done?
* What suggestions from you that we should do as an local Chapter?

Thanks and Regards,
Ted Chien
Chairman
Wikimedia Taiwan
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SOPA related bill in Taiwan

2013-05-28 Thread Benjamin Chen
On 28 May, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com wrote:

 (from what we have discussed on zh.wp, the Chinese
 community has agreed on such blackout, but the date is still on discussion)

For the record, I doubt if there is clear support/strong participation in the 
discussion. It is still to early to call it a consensus.

  If we could implement such blackout, how soon it can be done?

(Speaking as a not-very-tech-savvy person) Depends on what exactly the 
community want to do. If we make use of CentralNotice's geo-targeting, it is 
very easy to implement a Taiwan-only blackout/site-notice/redirect-to-specific 
page etc. This involves no server side configuration change, volunteers will be 
able to get this done. The time consuming part is to write the banner and it's 
javascript, but that shouldn't take longer than a day of there is people 
willing to help.

Regards,

Benjamin Chen / [[User:Bencmq]]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)

2013-05-28 Thread Svavar Kjarrval
Hi.

There's also the viewpoint that a person being fired could go overboard
and do irreparable harm to the site and the public's view of the WMF.
There's of course the possibility to revert the changes on the website,
since it is a wiki, but very hard to do on the public opinion, like if a
soon-to-be-fired admin changed a protected page to something which would
damage public relations of the WMF. That's why many companies don't want
fired employees to continue working for them after the employee
termination has been announced.

Of course a counter-argument would be that a majority of those admins
wouldn't do something like that and I don't doubt their good intentions.
But the WMF wouldn't be aware of which admin would go on an unwarranted
rampage, if any, and who wouldn't. The safest approach would be to take
away their admin privileges without a prior announcement. I do agree,
though, that some kind of public announcement should have been made
after the fact regarding this policy change and the former admins
thanked for their contributions.

With regards,
Svavar Kjarrval



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SOPA related bill in Taiwan

2013-05-28 Thread Ted Chien
Hi Benjamin,

Thanks for the reply.

2013/5/28 下午10:02 於 Benjamin Chen bencmqw...@gmail.com 寫道:

 On 28 May, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com wrote:

  (from what we have discussed on zh.wp, the Chinese
  community has agreed on such blackout, but the date is still on
discussion)

 For the record, I doubt if there is clear support/strong participation in
the discussion. It is still to early to call it a consensus.

The discussion is still going on, and I can see people supporting our
action. Surely there will be some doubts, and we will be happy to answer
them and welcome them to join us.

   If we could implement such blackout, how soon it can be done?

 (Speaking as a not-very-tech-savvy person) Depends on what exactly the
community want to do. If we make use of CentralNotice's geo-targeting, it
is very easy to implement a Taiwan-only
blackout/site-notice/redirect-to-specific page etc. This involves no server
side configuration change, volunteers will be able to get this done. The
time consuming part is to write the banner and it's javascript, but that
shouldn't take longer than a day of there is people willing to help.

As I previously point out in my first question: can it be geo-targeting? If
it can, then I can agree that it would be easier. If it cannot, then
properly we would need help from the foundation.


 Regards,

 Benjamin Chen / [[User:Bencmq]]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SOPA related bill in Taiwan

2013-05-28 Thread Benjamin Chen

On 28 May, 2013, at 11:32 PM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com wrote:

 As I previously point out in my first question: can it be geo-targeting?

With CentralNotice, yes you can make it target Taiwan users only.

Regards,

Benjamin Chen / [[User:Bencmq]]


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SOPA related bill in Taiwan

2013-05-28 Thread Ted Chien


On 2013年5月28日Tuesday at 下午11:37, Benjamin Chen wrote:

  
 On 28 May, 2013, at 11:32 PM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com 
 (mailto:hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com) wrote:
  
  As I previously point out in my first question: can it be geo-targeting?
  
 With CentralNotice, yes you can make it target Taiwan users only.
But to blackout Wikipedia would gain better media reactions, and people will 
know what the internet would like if the SOPA bill is been passed in Taiwan. 
Also, last year the SOPA issue was in USA, why we can blackout the whole en.wp 
and you think this time we don't have to blackout zh.wp just because it's only 
in Taiwan?

For the record, I just read the news that Taipei City Information Office 
decided to put the block to its own free public WiFi service in a month from 
now, long before the TIPO amend the Copyright Act of Taiwan. The Taipei Free 
WiFi service has 200M+ users and has 300M+ visitors each month.

News - Taipei City Government would follow TIPO to block websites within a 
Month (in Chinese):
http://www.ettoday.net/news/20130528/213815.htm

Regards,
Ted








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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Spanish Wikipedia first million

2013-05-28 Thread Victor Grigas
Great job on the video And congratulations for 1m articles!

On May 27, 2013, at 9:50 PM, Ivan Martínez gala...@gmail.com wrote:

 In Puebla city, too :D
 
 
 2013/5/27 Osmar Valdebenito os...@wikimedia.org.ar
 
 Thanks for the announcement, Salvador.
 It was a really hard work to coordinate the recordings in Buenos Aires,
 Puebla, Jerusalem and La Paz, but I think we did a good job :)
 
 *Osmar Valdebenito G.*
 Director Ejecutivo
 A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
 
 
 2013/5/26 Salvador A salvador1...@gmail.com
 
 Also, it's in Commons:
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Un_mill%C3%B3n_de_gracias,_de_Wikipedia_en_espa%C3%B1ol.webm
 
 
 2013/5/26 Salvador A salvador1...@gmail.com
 
 To celebrate this milestone, Iberocoop chapters have made this video
 that
 we share with you:
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SLw_Z8w604
 
 Enjoy it!
 
 Regards!
 
 
 2013/5/17 ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com
 
   Felicitaciones a la española Wikipedia!
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fogos_artificiais.jpg
 
 Pine
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SOPA related bill in Taiwan

2013-05-28 Thread Benjamin Chen
Don't get me wrong. CentralNotice can be used to block the entire page. It was 
used for the SOPA blackout.  :)

Regards,

Benjamin Chen / [[User:Bencmq]]

On 29 May, 2013, at 12:45 AM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 
 On 2013年5月28日Tuesday at 下午11:37, Benjamin Chen wrote:
 
 
 On 28 May, 2013, at 11:32 PM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com 
 (mailto:hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com) wrote:
 
 As I previously point out in my first question: can it be geo-targeting?
 
 With CentralNotice, yes you can make it target Taiwan users only.
 But to blackout Wikipedia would gain better media reactions, and people will 
 know what the internet would like if the SOPA bill is been passed in Taiwan. 
 Also, last year the SOPA issue was in USA, why we can blackout the whole 
 en.wp and you think this time we don't have to blackout zh.wp just because 
 it's only in Taiwan?
 
 For the record, I just read the news that Taipei City Information Office 
 decided to put the block to its own free public WiFi service in a month from 
 now, long before the TIPO amend the Copyright Act of Taiwan. The Taipei Free 
 WiFi service has 200M+ users and has 300M+ visitors each month.
 
 News - Taipei City Government would follow TIPO to block websites within a 
 Month (in Chinese):
 http://www.ettoday.net/news/20130528/213815.htm
 
 Regards,
 Ted
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)

2013-05-28 Thread Brandon Harris

On May 28, 2013, at 12:38 AM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote:

 However, I have concerns about keeping Gayle in the Chief Talent and Culture 
 Officer position.


This type of conversation is really not helpful in any way.  I don't 
know what you're expecting here.


---
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)

2013-05-28 Thread Nathan
Pine says no one suggested firing Gayle or Philippe; I think it's
clear that whatever semantics are invoked, he did suggest just that.
That's beyond inappropriate, in my view, and an example of the toxic
environment that will lead to less fruitful communication from the WMF
and not more. It's not in Pine's remit as a volunteer to propose that
WMF employees be demoted, especially over something as picayune as
administrator rights on a wiki with minimal traffic and less
importance.

It's unfathomable that Pine thinks he should be writing to Gayle in
this way, as if he were her superior and she was obligated to justify
her continued employment to him personally. In multiple comments in
recent posts Pine has implied that he has real-world expertise in this
area... at this point, I find that implication unsupported by evidence
of communication skills or the ability to appropriately judge context
and audience reaction.

It's not traditional to so directly call out a commenter on this list
for posts that step over the line, particularly when they remain civil
despite being wildly inappropriate. But I think we need to understand
that the relationship between volunteers (especially those on the
mailing lists) and the WMF is a two way street. We can't expect them
to engage better with us if we permit, even by silence, this type of
haranguing to continue unchallenged.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)

2013-05-28 Thread Huib Laurens
Hi,

I strongly believe that the Foundation shouldn't do actions like this on a
Friday. In this case there was a major discussion about it and nobody from
the foundation was there to respond.

But this week the new MediaWiki version is released on Friday, there is a
bug (wrong version details) the bug is minor but there is nobody to fix it
untill today. The team say's its just a small bug... But if somebody
install new software and it says release candidate they can lose trust.

Maybe we should make a policy that a mass-desysop, a new release or any
other statement shouldn't be on Friday so that there is somebody arround to
respond.


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.orgwrote:


 On May 28, 2013, at 12:38 AM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote:

  However, I have concerns about keeping Gayle in the Chief Talent and
 Culture Officer position.


 This type of conversation is really not helpful in any way.  I
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SOPA related bill in Taiwan

2013-05-28 Thread Ted Chien
Thanks for the explanation, I just saw your comment on zh.wp.

Regards,
Ted Chien
-- Sent from my HTC One
2013/5/29 上午12:48 於 Benjamin Chen bencmqw...@gmail.com 寫道:

 Don't get me wrong. CentralNotice can be used to block the entire page. It
 was used for the SOPA blackout.  :)

 Regards,

 Benjamin Chen / [[User:Bencmq]]

 On 29 May, 2013, at 12:45 AM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 
  On 2013年5月28日Tuesday at 下午11:37, Benjamin Chen wrote:
 
 
  On 28 May, 2013, at 11:32 PM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com(mailto:
 hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com) wrote:
 
  As I previously point out in my first question: can it be
 geo-targeting?
 
  With CentralNotice, yes you can make it target Taiwan users only.
  But to blackout Wikipedia would gain better media reactions, and people
 will know what the internet would like if the SOPA bill is been passed in
 Taiwan. Also, last year the SOPA issue was in USA, why we can blackout the
 whole en.wp and you think this time we don't have to blackout zh.wp just
 because it's only in Taiwan?
 
  For the record, I just read the news that Taipei City Information Office
 decided to put the block to its own free public WiFi service in a month
 from now, long before the TIPO amend the Copyright Act of Taiwan. The
 Taipei Free WiFi service has 200M+ users and has 300M+ visitors each month.
 
  News - Taipei City Government would follow TIPO to block websites within
 a Month (in Chinese):
  http://www.ettoday.net/news/20130528/213815.htm
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero in Google search result

2013-05-28 Thread Tomasz Finc
Looping Dan Foy in who's managing the Zero backlog.

On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:01 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
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Can you please file this in bugzilla https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)

2013-05-28 Thread phoebe ayers
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Pine says no one suggested firing Gayle or Philippe; I think it's
 clear that whatever semantics are invoked, he did suggest just that.
 That's beyond inappropriate, in my view, and an example of the toxic
 environment that will lead to less fruitful communication from the WMF
 and not more. It's not in Pine's remit as a volunteer to propose that
 WMF employees be demoted, especially over something as picayune as
 administrator rights on a wiki with minimal traffic and less
 importance.

 It's unfathomable that Pine thinks he should be writing to Gayle in
 this way, as if he were her superior and she was obligated to justify
 her continued employment to him personally. In multiple comments in
 recent posts Pine has implied that he has real-world expertise in this
 area... at this point, I find that implication unsupported by evidence
 of communication skills or the ability to appropriately judge context
 and audience reaction.

 It's not traditional to so directly call out a commenter on this list
 for posts that step over the line, particularly when they remain civil
 despite being wildly inappropriate. But I think we need to understand
 that the relationship between volunteers (especially those on the
 mailing lists) and the WMF is a two way street. We can't expect them
 to engage better with us if we permit, even by silence, this type of
 haranguing to continue unchallenged.


I agree with this; thanks for saying it.

==about communication in general==
I think it's worth remembering we all judge each other on the tone and
content of messages that we send here (some sending pseudonymously, some
not). Sometimes I think many of us feel comfortable in saying things that
we might think privately or say casually to a friend, without thinking
about how: a) hundreds of people, including people who have spent years and
years devoted to this work (staff and volunteers alike) may read it and be
affected*; b) these messages are how our own reputations get shaped online,
both good and bad; c) we all just have one perspective on Wikimedia, shaped
by our own experience, which is not necessarily the same as everyone
else's.

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[Wikimedia-l] evaluation of electronics articles

2013-05-28 Thread phoebe ayers
I ran across this paragraph in the preface to O'Reilly's new book
Encyclopedia of Electronic Components. [1] I'm not sure that I've ever
seen an evaluation of Wikipedia's electronics coverage before, but to me
this sounds like a pretty good description of a lot of our engineering
articles (at least in English)...

Wikipedia’s coverage of electronics is impressive but inconsistent. Some
entries are elementary, while others are extremely technical. Some are
shallow, while others are deep. Some are well organized, while others run
off into obscure topics that may have interested one of the contributors
but are of little practical value to most readers. Many topics are
distributed over multiple entries, forcing you to hunt through several
URLs. Overall, Wikipedia tends to be good if you want theory, but
not-so-good if you want hands-on practicality.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Spanish Wikipedia first million

2013-05-28 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Felicitaciones!

-Dan

Dan Rosenthal


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Victor Grigas vgri...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

 Great job on the video And congratulations for 1m articles!

 On May 27, 2013, at 9:50 PM, Ivan Martínez gala...@gmail.com wrote:

  In Puebla city, too :D
 
 
  2013/5/27 Osmar Valdebenito os...@wikimedia.org.ar
 
  Thanks for the announcement, Salvador.
  It was a really hard work to coordinate the recordings in Buenos Aires,
  Puebla, Jerusalem and La Paz, but I think we did a good job :)
 
  *Osmar Valdebenito G.*
  Director Ejecutivo
  A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
 
 
  2013/5/26 Salvador A salvador1...@gmail.com
 
  Also, it's in Commons:
 
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Un_mill%C3%B3n_de_gracias,_de_Wikipedia_en_espa%C3%B1ol.webm
 
 
  2013/5/26 Salvador A salvador1...@gmail.com
 
  To celebrate this milestone, Iberocoop chapters have made this video
  that
  we share with you:
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SLw_Z8w604
 
  Enjoy it!
 
  Regards!
 
 
  2013/5/17 ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com
 
Felicitaciones a la española Wikipedia!
  http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fogos_artificiais.jpg
 
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[Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)

2013-05-28 Thread ENWP Pine
I don't know what to do. I lost sleep thinking about this situation last night. 
I think I'm still in shock and I'm frustrated. The normal situation on wiki is 
to have this kind of discussion in public for actions that happen on any wiki 
that I know of. There were similarly public discussions about what happened in 
WMUK. Maybe that's wrong. I don't know. I worried that if I said nothing that 
it would be wrong, and I worry that saying something is wrong too. 

I'm withdrawing from this discussion for now. I wish I knew what the right 
thing to do was. I'm very sorry. 

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] evaluation of electronics articles

2013-05-28 Thread Fred Bauder
I think that is a pretty good analysis of the entire project. It is
directly related to lack of editorial control and the impossibility of
being able to assign writers to problem areas.

Fred

 I ran across this paragraph in the preface to O'Reilly's new book
 Encyclopedia of Electronic Components. [1] I'm not sure that I've ever
 seen an evaluation of Wikipedia's electronics coverage before, but to me
 this sounds like a pretty good description of a lot of our engineering
 articles (at least in English)...

 Wikipedia’s coverage of electronics is impressive but inconsistent.
 Some
 entries are elementary, while others are extremely technical. Some are
 shallow, while others are deep. Some are well organized, while others run
 off into obscure topics that may have interested one of the contributors
 but are of little practical value to most readers. Many topics are
 distributed over multiple entries, forcing you to hunt through several
 URLs. Overall, Wikipedia tends to be good if you want theory, but
 not-so-good if you want hands-on practicality.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] evaluation of electronics articles

2013-05-28 Thread Anders Wennersten
I usually say Wikipedia consist of some hundred different encyclopedias 
on different topics.


And some of these are excellent and have full covering, like popes, 
birds, where wp  is better then all other encyclopedia in all aspects


Other subject area are more uneven both in covering and in content for 
each article, as this review give an example of for electronic


I am also convinced that one of the most important focuses on our 
editorial work is in getting a complete covering in as many subjects as 
possible. This is one of the reasons I do believe we need to develop 
(semi) automatic generation of articles from official databases (like 
the project to have articles on All lakes in x-country I have written 
of). Also that Wikidata have a key role in this new focus, enabling us 
to have a common repository for these common basic data


Anders


Fred Bauder skrev 2013-05-28 21:18:

I think that is a pretty good analysis of the entire project. It is
directly related to lack of editorial control and the impossibility of
being able to assign writers to problem areas.

Fred


I ran across this paragraph in the preface to O'Reilly's new book
Encyclopedia of Electronic Components. [1] I'm not sure that I've ever
seen an evaluation of Wikipedia's electronics coverage before, but to me
this sounds like a pretty good description of a lot of our engineering
articles (at least in English)...

Wikipedia’s coverage of electronics is impressive but inconsistent.
Some
entries are elementary, while others are extremely technical. Some are
shallow, while others are deep. Some are well organized, while others run
off into obscure topics that may have interested one of the contributors
but are of little practical value to most readers. Many topics are
distributed over multiple entries, forcing you to hunt through several
URLs. Overall, Wikipedia tends to be good if you want theory, but
not-so-good if you want hands-on practicality.

-- phoebe

1. http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920026105.do


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero in Google search result

2013-05-28 Thread Kul Wadhwa
Adam Baso (copied on this email) is working on it and a fix is ready. He'll
do some testing to make sure it's resolved.

On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Tomasz Finc tf...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Looping Dan Foy in who's managing the Zero backlog.

 On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:01 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
  K. Peachey wrote:
 Can you please file this in bugzilla https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org?
 
  https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48856
 
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero in Google search result

2013-05-28 Thread Jon Robson
As I mentioned on the bug report [1] I worry more about the fact that
the content is not accessible to users on another IP. If a user of
Wikipedia Zero shares a link do we not want that to be accessible to
other people? By showing a message as we currently do Sorry,
zero.wikipedia.org is only supported by select mobile carriers and is
not available from your mobile carrier. are we not denying people
knowledge and going against our mission? Should this not redirect or
at least be a message pointing to the actual content?

Also if we block google from indexing zero any links shared on the
zero domain will not contribute to the page ranking of that page which
seems a bit dumb...

As I mentioned the fact that pages are currently in google results is
only a temporary problem due to an upstream bug [2] in the
MobileFrontend extension which should resolve itself as the cache is
cleared.

[1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48856#c3
[2] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35233

On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Kul Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 Adam Baso (copied on this email) is working on it and a fix is ready. He'll
 do some testing to make sure it's resolved.

 On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Tomasz Finc tf...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Looping Dan Foy in who's managing the Zero backlog.

 On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:01 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
  K. Peachey wrote:
 Can you please file this in bugzilla https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org?
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero in Google search result

2013-05-28 Thread Adam Baso
Hello All,

We had shelved my patch, patch 64629 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/64629,
in hopes that an earlier patch, patch
61809https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/61809(bug
35233 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35233), would
resolve the issue naturally as Google re-indexed. But it appears Google has
re-indexed and yet the .zero.wikipedia.org URLs are still  present in
Google's index, instead of the language.wikipedia.org URLs.

I have thus resubmitted patch 64629 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/64629 for
re-review. We will need to further discuss whether it is appropriate to
have Google completely remove .zero.wikipedia.org links from their cache,
or if perhaps we need to open a support thread with Google about canonical
URLs.




On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Kul Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Adam Baso (copied on this email) is working on it and a fix is ready.
 He'll do some testing to make sure it's resolved.

 On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Tomasz Finc tf...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Looping Dan Foy in who's managing the Zero backlog.

 On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:01 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
  K. Peachey wrote:
 Can you please file this in bugzilla https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org?
 
  https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48856
 
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WikimediaMobile] Wikipedia Zero in Google search result

2013-05-28 Thread James Alexander
At some level there seems to be a change in google (or our) settings that
are doing this everywhere. I've also been seeing a lot of links indexed and
appearing in google as the primary domain too
(wikipedia.org/wiki/Bostonrather then
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston, seen it on Wikivoyage as well and I assume
the others). At some level we're probably going to want to figure out
what's happening because at some point down the road 'something' changed
just not sure on what side.

James Alexander
Legal and Community Advocacy
Wikimedia Foundation
(415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Adam Baso ab...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hello All,

 We had shelved my patch, patch 64629https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/64629,
 in hopes that an earlier patch, patch 
 61809https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/61809(bug
 35233 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35233), would
 resolve the issue naturally as Google re-indexed. But it appears Google has
 re-indexed and yet the .zero.wikipedia.org URLs are still  present in
 Google's index, instead of the language.wikipedia.org URLs.

 I have thus resubmitted patch 64629 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/64629 for
 re-review. We will need to further discuss whether it is appropriate to
 have Google completely remove .zero.wikipedia.org links from their cache,
 or if perhaps we need to open a support thread with Google about canonical
 URLs.




 On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Kul Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Adam Baso (copied on this email) is working on it and a fix is ready.
 He'll do some testing to make sure it's resolved.

 On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Tomasz Finc tf...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

 Looping Dan Foy in who's managing the Zero backlog.

 On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:01 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
  K. Peachey wrote:
 Can you please file this in bugzilla https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org?
 
  https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48856
 
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WikimediaMobile] Wikipedia Zero in Google search result

2013-05-28 Thread Jon Robson
FWIW Adding debug=true on zero domains should show the canonical url
to be present. As stated before this will fix itself within less than
30 days as the caches update.
e.g. http://hak.zero.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%A8u-Ya%CC%8Dp?debug=true

As James points out the main site doesn't use canonical urls and
probably should... but I'd say that's another bug.


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:58 PM, James Alexander
jalexan...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 Sorry for the double post: For what it's worth  It does not appear that
 we have a canonical url appearing on most pages. Mobile has canonical
 pointing to the main site but neither zero or the main site have
 a canonical expressly stated.

 James Alexander
 Legal and Community Advocacy
 Wikimedia Foundation
 (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur


 On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:53 PM, James Alexander
 jalexan...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

 At some level there seems to be a change in google (or our) settings that
 are doing this everywhere. I've also been seeing a lot of links indexed and
 appearing in google as the primary domain too 
 (wikipedia.org/wiki/Bostonrather then
 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston, seen it on Wikivoyage as well and I assume
 the others). At some level we're probably going to want to figure out
 what's happening because at some point down the road 'something' changed
 just not sure on what side.

 James Alexander
 Legal and Community Advocacy
 Wikimedia Foundation
 (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur


 On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Adam Baso ab...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hello All,

 We had shelved my patch, patch 64629https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/64629,
 in hopes that an earlier patch, patch 
 61809https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/61809(bug
 35233 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35233), would
 resolve the issue naturally as Google re-indexed. But it appears Google has
 re-indexed and yet the .zero.wikipedia.org URLs are still  present in
 Google's index, instead of the language.wikipedia.org URLs.

 I have thus resubmitted patch 64629https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/64629 
 for
 re-review. We will need to further discuss whether it is appropriate to
 have Google completely remove .zero.wikipedia.org links from their
 cache, or if perhaps we need to open a support thread with Google about
 canonical URLs.




 On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Kul Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

 Adam Baso (copied on this email) is working on it and a fix is ready.
 He'll do some testing to make sure it's resolved.

 On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Tomasz Finc tf...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

 Looping Dan Foy in who's managing the Zero backlog.

 On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:01 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
  K. Peachey wrote:
 Can you please file this in bugzilla https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] evaluation of electronics articles

2013-05-28 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter

On 28.05.2013 19:40, phoebe ayers wrote:

I ran across this paragraph in the preface to O'Reilly's new book
Encyclopedia of Electronic Components. [1] I'm not sure that I've 
ever
seen an evaluation of Wikipedia's electronics coverage before, but to 
me

this sounds like a pretty good description of a lot of our engineering
articles (at least in English)...

Wikipedia’s coverage of electronics is impressive but inconsistent. 
Some

entries are elementary, while others are extremely technical. Some are
shallow, while others are deep. Some are well organized, while others 
run
off into obscure topics that may have interested one of the 
contributors

but are of little practical value to most readers. Many topics are
distributed over multiple entries, forcing you to hunt through several
URLs. Overall, Wikipedia tends to be good if you want theory, but
not-so-good if you want hands-on practicality.

-- phoebe

1. http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920026105.do


Very accurate description of the state of articles at least in natural 
and technical sciences in the English Wikipedia.


Cheers
Yaroslav

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] evaluation of electronics articles

2013-05-28 Thread George Herbert
...and engineering (theory ok to good, practical often very weak).

And varies across fields radically...


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ruwrote:

 On 28.05.2013 19:40, phoebe ayers wrote:

 I ran across this paragraph in the preface to O'Reilly's new book
 Encyclopedia of Electronic Components. [1] I'm not sure that I've ever
 seen an evaluation of Wikipedia's electronics coverage before, but to me
 this sounds like a pretty good description of a lot of our engineering
 articles (at least in English)...

 Wikipedia’s coverage of electronics is impressive but inconsistent. Some
 entries are elementary, while others are extremely technical. Some are
 shallow, while others are deep. Some are well organized, while others run
 off into obscure topics that may have interested one of the contributors
 but are of little practical value to most readers. Many topics are
 distributed over multiple entries, forcing you to hunt through several
 URLs. Overall, Wikipedia tends to be good if you want theory, but
 not-so-good if you want hands-on practicality.

 -- phoebe

 1. 
 http://shop.oreilly.com/**product/0636920026105.dohttp://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920026105.do


 Very accurate description of the state of articles at least in natural and
 technical sciences in the English Wikipedia.

 Cheers
 Yaroslav


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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Grantmaking Quarterly Review notes posted on Meta

2013-05-28 Thread Adele Vrana
Hi all,

The minutes and slides from the Quarterly Review meeting of the Grantmaking
team have now been posted on Meta:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/Quarterly_reviews/Grantmaking,_2013-05-15

Cheers,
Adele

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[Wikimedia-l] FDC IRC office hours on the LOI in 3 minutes!

2013-05-28 Thread Katy Love
Hi everyone,

As announced earlier, the FDC support team is holding office hours on
#wikimedia-office to speak about questions on the Letter of Intent process
in a few minutes and again at 15:00 UTC (Wednesday May 29).

* Wendesday, May 29 at 0:00 UTC
* Wednesday, May 29 at 15:00 UTC

We look forward to speaking to you!
Katy

-- Forwarded message --
From: Katy Love kl...@wikimedia.org
Date: Thu, May 16, 2013 at 2:45 PM
Subject: FDC Letter of Intent due June 8  IRC office hours
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org


Dear members of the Wikimedia community,

You will have seen an email recently from Patricio Lorente and Jan-Bart de
Vreede, the Board Reps to the Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC), about
the FDC's new Letter of Intent process. The Letter of Intent (LOI) is the
first step in applying for funds from the FDC, as outlined in the FDC
Framework. [1] This upcoming year (2013-2014) will be the first time we
institute the LOI process. As you heard from them, we anticipate the LOI
will be a helpful planning tool for the FDC as well as offering us a chance
to begin working with entities in advance of the FDC proposal deadline.  We
hope it will allow us to work closely with applying entities and to address
questions and concerns (and clear up any misunderstandings) significantly
before the proposal deadline.

Interested entities must submit an Letter of Intent in order to apply for
FDC funding. For Round 1 of 2013-2014, the LOI is due on June 8. The LOI
asks potential FDC applicants to state their intentions to apply and to
include a notional dollar figure (or local currency figure). The
Letter of Intent
can be created on the FDC portal [2], and a sample is here for your
reference [3]. The LOI is non-binding, but it is required in order to be
able to submit a proposal for Round 1.

In anticipation of the LOI's June 8 deadline, the FDC staff is holding
office hours twice to respond to questions. We welcome entities considering
applying for Round 1 funding to join us. Our two office hours will be held
on #wikimedia-office on:

* Wednesday, May 29 at 0:00 UTC
* Wednesday, May 29 at 15:00 UTC

These two sessions will have the following agenda:

1. Introductions
2. Brief explanation of the FDC
3. Explanation of the purpose of the Letter of Intent and general FDC
proposal process
4. QA on the LOI

And finally, for your reference, here is the 2013-2014 Round 1 proposal
process [4] schedule:

- *Letter of Intent deadline for Round 1: 8 June 2013*
- Deadline for WMF Staff to post eligibility: 15 July 2013
- Deadline for entities to meet eligibility requirements: 15 September 2013
- Proposal submission deadline: 1 October 2013
- Community review period: 1 October - 31 October 2013
- Staff assessment deadline: 8 November 2013
- FDC recommendation due: 1 December 2013
- Board decision due: 1 January 2014

As always, contact us questions or requests for support:
fdcsupp...@wikimedia.org.

Warm regards,
Katy and the FDC support team

[1]
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Framework_for_the_Creation_and_Initial_Operation_of_the_FDC#Process_overview
[2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal
[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Sample_letter_of_intent
[4] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposal_process
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero in Google search result

2013-05-28 Thread Adam Baso
All,

My mistake. The pages in Google's index that I used for sampling - the ones
that have Sorry, ... in their description in Google search results - are
cached pages. I assumed incorrectly that those pages were based on recent
indexing (e.g., in the past few days).

I think we can actually stick to the original plan of Google re-indexing
and the search results de-emphasizing the
language.zero.wikipedia.orglinks within the next 30 days.

I still find it strange that there are language.zero.wikipedia.org links
that turned up higher in the search engine rankings than their
better-established language.wikipedia.org counterparts. But I suppose
with fewer competing page elements, especially on long-tail articles with
fewer or no direct links to the desktop page, this is maybe not totally
unexpected.

-Adam




On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Adam Baso ab...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hello All,

 We had shelved my patch, patch 64629https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/64629,
 in hopes that an earlier patch, patch 
 61809https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/61809(bug
 35233 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35233), would
 resolve the issue naturally as Google re-indexed. But it appears Google has
 re-indexed and yet the .zero.wikipedia.org URLs are still  present in
 Google's index, instead of the language.wikipedia.org URLs.

 I have thus resubmitted patch 64629 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/64629 for
 re-review. We will need to further discuss whether it is appropriate to
 have Google completely remove .zero.wikipedia.org links from their cache,
 or if perhaps we need to open a support thread with Google about canonical
 URLs.




 On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Kul Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Adam Baso (copied on this email) is working on it and a fix is ready.
 He'll do some testing to make sure it's resolved.

 On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Tomasz Finc tf...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

 Looping Dan Foy in who's managing the Zero backlog.

 On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:01 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
  K. Peachey wrote:
 Can you please file this in bugzilla https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org?
 
  https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48856
 
 
  MZMcBride
 
 
 
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[Wikimedia-l] New designs for account creation and login rolling out gradually to all projects

2013-05-28 Thread Steven Walling
Hi everyone,

Per our blog post last month,[1] we've been testing redesigns for account
creation and login across the projects. We've been doing so on an opt-in
basis, but we've dealt with any major bugs and translations are complete
for quite a few languages.

Starting tomorrow and barring any last minute hiccups, we're going to start
rolling out the new designs. Right now we're limiting it to about 30
projects, including the following...

   - Wikipedia in 21 languages, including English, German, French, Italian,
   Polish, Dutch, Chinese, Hebrew, Arabic, Korean, Czech, Swedish, and others.
   - In English: Wikibooks, Wikisource, Wikispecies, Wikinews, Wiktionary,
   and Wikiquote.
   - Wikimedia Commons
   - Wikidata
   - Meta
   - MediaWiki .org

There are still local customizations that will need to be made in many of
these, but they are the kind of thing that doesn't require a developer to
do, just edits to the wiki. Look for announcements soon on your local
Village Pump equivalent for more info, or check out our
testing documentation.[2] I'll be around to help any of these wikis that
don't have an admin handy to make requested changes.

The remaining projects we have held off on because there are localizations
still to be completed (on translatewiki) or there are problems with
localizations already finished. Since the work of localizations is never
100% complete however, we are putting out a hard *deadline of June 5th*,
after which we'll be turning on the forms for all projects, in all
languages.  If you're interested in learning more about which wikis in
particular need help, please email me off-list or get in touch via my user
talk page anywhere.

Please speak up if you have any questions. You can still try these new
forms on any Wikimedia project via the method mentioned in the two links
below...

1. http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/04/25/try-new-login-accountcreation/
2. mediawiki.org/wiki/Account_creation_user_experience/Testing

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https://wikimediafoundation.org/

P.S. Sorry if there are odd linebreaks in this message. Has anyone figured
out how to avoid this in Gmail?
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