[Wikimedia-l] Call for Participation: WikiSym + OpenSym 2013, the 9th International Symposium on Open Collaboration
Co-located with Wikimania 2013! WikiSym, the 9th International Symposium on Wikis and Open Collaboration OpenSym, the 2013 International Symposium on Open Collaboration August 5-7, 2013 | Hong Kong, China Registration is open: http://wikisym.org/wsos2013/participating/registration CONFERENCE PROGRAM The conference program is led by three renowned keynote speakers: Phil Bourne, founding editor of PLOS, will talk about the era of open, Pockey Lam, of the Digital Freedom Foundation, will talk about open education, and Dario Taraborelli, of the Wikimedia Foundation, will talk about current and future Wikipedia research. The keynotes are enhanced by a strong research track on the different aspects of open collaboration, namely wikis, Wikipedia, open source, and open access. Open space, community events and socializing during coffee breaks and dedicated social events like the welcome reception and the conference dinner complement and enhance the WikiSym + OpenSym 2013 experience. An industry tutorial track ensures a healthy mixture of participants. Come join us in Hong Kong, one of the most vibrant cities on this planet, and learn how and why open collaboration is shaping the future! Learn more about the conference program: http://wikisym.org/wsos2013/program ABOUT THE CONFERENCE The 2013 Joint International Symposium on Open Collaboration (WikiSym + OpenSym 2013) is the premier conference on open collaboration research, including wikis and social media, Wikipedia, free, libre, and open source software, open access, open data and open government research. WikiSym is in its 9th year and will be complemented by OpenSym, a new conference on open collaboration research and an adjunct to the successful WikiSym conference series. WikiSym + OpenSym 2013 is the first conference to bring together the different strands of open collaboration research, seeking to create synergies and inspire new research between computer scientists, social scientists, legal scholars, and everyone interested in understanding open collaboration and how it is changing the world. WikiSym + OpenSym 2013 will be held in Hong Kong, China, on August 5-7, 2013. ACM In-cooperation with SIGWEB and SIGSOFT. Sponsored by the Wikimedia Foundation, Google, Cyberport, and TJEF. -- Website: http://dirkriehle.com - Twitter: @dirkriehle Ph (DE): +49-157-8153-4150 - Ph (US): +1-650-450-8550 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback
* Geoff Brigham wrote: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ You are not making a good case there as to what to do and why and how this community is affected and needs to act. An immediate question seems to be whether the Wikimedia Foundation should become signatory of the Stop Watching Us open letter. No, the letter puts too much emphasis on people in the United States and domestic spying and the Foundation should not give the impression that that is a special kind of bad. In the posting above you write: Freedom of speech and access to information are core Wikimedia values. These values can be compromised by surveillance: editors and readers understandably are less willing to write and inform themselves as honestly and freely. Should the U.S. stop gathering intelligence on people in Iran that con- tribute on the arabic Wikipedia in articles on nuclear physics? Should the U.S. carefully limit which signals going in and out of North Korea it intercepts to protect the privacy of the people there, or would it be okay if the U.S., say, simply intercepts all Internet traffic and phone calls and filters the data for anything interesting? Should there be a special committee to investigate, report, and reveal to the public the extent of all the foreign intelligence activity of the U.S.? And bad countries may do all the same things that good countries may do? I can see nothing obvious that the Foundation could say or do in this regard at this time, and would expect the community to develop answers to questions like mine above before calling for action. So, no, I don't think the Foundation should join those other organisations at this time. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.ukwrote: PRISM From @ShammaBoyarin on Twitter: Its not as if the NSA were mass downloading articles from JSTOR. Certainly if the evidence showed that the NSA were breaking into wiring closets and hacking into computer networks this would be a much different story. (Yes, you can speculate that they're probably doing this too, but this particular scandal is the NSA getting information from computer networks with the permission of the computer owners, not despite the owners actively trying to keep them out.) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.ukwrote: PRISM From @ShammaBoyarin on Twitter: Its not as if the NSA were mass downloading articles from JSTOR. Certainly if the evidence showed that the NSA were breaking into wiring closets and hacking into computer networks this would be a much different story. (Yes, you can speculate that they're probably doing this too, but this particular scandal is the NSA getting information from computer networks with the permission of the computer owners, not despite the owners actively trying to keep them out.) Actually, there is a small attached CIA unit to do just that. The story is a bit bigger than what The Guardian has published so far. Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.netwrote: (Yes, you can speculate that they're probably doing this too, but this particular scandal is the NSA getting information from computer networks with the permission of the computer owners, not despite the owners actively trying to keep them out.) Actually, there is a small attached CIA unit to do just that. The story is a bit bigger than what The Guardian has published so far. Did you read what I said? Yes, you can speculate that that's what they're doing. But that's not what was published. The fact of the matter is that there would be a much bigger uproar if the NSA were caught doing what Aaron Swartz did, on American soil against an innocent American company. If NSA were caught breaking into wiring closets and hacking into computer networks, the 4th Amendment violation would be way more obvious and incontrovertible. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback
Speaking as an individual and not on behalf of the chapter (and not as an American obviously) I think this seems a proportional response but would encourage everyone in the UK community to share their thoughts. I think it would be naive to think this was not aimed at US citizens as well, despite denials, but it certainly has implications for our freedoms in Europe. Jon Davies On 15 June 2013 00:59, Geoff Brigham gbrig...@wikimedia.org wrote: Note: German (Deutsch) and Spanish (Español) versions are below. ***English*** Hi all, We want to direct your attention to our blog post ( https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ ) about the PRISM situation involving government intelligence surveillance on the Internet. We are asking for Wikimedia community feedback on a proposed course of action ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PRISM ). In short, we are inclined to recommend that the Wikimedia Foundation collaborate with organizations including Mozilla, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the Free Software Foundation, and the Center for Democracy and Technology. These groups have now prepared an open letter to the US congress (https://www.stopwatching.us/ ), calling for transparency, investigation, reform, and accountability, and have asked other organizations (including the Wikimedia Foundation) to join them in their efforts. We ask you to read the blog post for more details, and encourage you to tell us your views on this. Many thanks, Geoff and Luis Geoff Brigham General Counsel Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation Note: We expect to have a couple more translations of this announcement in the next couple of days. We would like to ask the international Wikimedia community to help translate the blog posting and feedback page (which are almost the same) as well as people’s feedback given throughout the course of this consultation period. Due to tight time limits, we hope to have professional translations for these documents posted by next Tuesday for at least German, French, Spanish, and Japanese. ___ ***Deutsch*** Hallo, Wir würden eure Aufmerksamkeit gern auf unseren Blogeintrag ( https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ ) zur PRISM-Situation und geheimdienstlicher Überwachung des Internets lenken. Wir bitten die Wikimediagemeinschaften um Rückmeldung zum vorgeschlagenen Vorgehen. (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PRISM) Kurz zusammengefasst tendieren wir dazu zu empfehlen, dass die Wikimedia Foundation mit Organisationen wie Mozilla, der Electronic Frontier Foundation, der Free Software Foundation und dem Zentrum für Demokratie und Technologie zusammenarbeitet. Diese Gruppen haben einen offenen Brief an den Kongress der Vereinigten Staaten (https://www.stopwatching.us/) vorbereitet um Transparenz, Untersuchung der Vorgänge, Reform sowie Rechenschaftspflicht einzufordern und haben andere Organisationen (einschließlich der Wikimedia Foundation) darum gebeten dieses Vorhaben zu unterstützen. Wir bitten euch den Blogeintrag mit den zugehörigen Details zu lesen und uns eure Meinung zu dem Vorschlag mitzuteilen. Vielen Dank, Geoff und Luis Geoff Brigham General Counsel Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation Hinweis: Wir würden die internationale WIkimediagemeinschaft gern darum bitten bei der Übersetzung des Blogeintrags und der Feedbackseite (die beiden sind fast identisch) sowie der Rückmeldungen aus der Community während der Konsultationsperiode mitzuhelfen. Durch die kurze Vorbereitungszeit hoffen wir bis Dienstag zumindest professionelle Übersetzungen für die Dokumente zumindest in Deutsch, Französisch, Spanisch und Japanisch zu haben. ___ ***Español*** Hola, Queremos dirigir su atención a nuestra entrada en el blog ( https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ ) sobre la situación PRISM involucra la vigilancia de inteligencia del gobierno en Internet. Estamos pidiendo Wikimedia retroalimentación de la comunidad sobre un curso de acción propuesto. ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PRISM ) En resumen, nos sentimos inclinados a recomendar que la Fundación Wikimedia colaborar con organizaciones como Mozilla, la Fundación Fronteras Electrónicas, la Fundación para el software libre y el Centro para la Democracia y la Tecnología. Estos grupos han preparado una carta abierta al Congreso de EE.UU. (https://www.stopwatching.us/), exigiendo la transparencia, la investigación, la reforma y la rendición de cuentas, y han pedido a otras organizaciones (entre ellas la Fundación Wikimedia) a unirse a ellos en sus esfuerzos. Le pedimos que lea el blog para más detalles, y le animamos a decirnos sus puntos de vista sobre esto. Muchas gracias, Geoff y Luis Geoff Brigham General Counsel Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation Nota: Nos gustaría pedir a la
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback
Hoi, From my perspective ... I live outside the USA, PRISM only brings the American people the same surveillance the rest of the world has had for a long time. The only difference is that the pretence that the US populace is not watched is known to be a fiction. Thanks, GerardM On 15 June 2013 17:57, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Speaking as an individual and not on behalf of the chapter (and not as an American obviously) I think this seems a proportional response but would encourage everyone in the UK community to share their thoughts. I think it would be naive to think this was not aimed at US citizens as well, despite denials, but it certainly has implications for our freedoms in Europe. Jon Davies On 15 June 2013 00:59, Geoff Brigham gbrig...@wikimedia.org wrote: Note: German (Deutsch) and Spanish (Español) versions are below. ***English*** Hi all, We want to direct your attention to our blog post ( https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ ) about the PRISM situation involving government intelligence surveillance on the Internet. We are asking for Wikimedia community feedback on a proposed course of action ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PRISM ). In short, we are inclined to recommend that the Wikimedia Foundation collaborate with organizations including Mozilla, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the Free Software Foundation, and the Center for Democracy and Technology. These groups have now prepared an open letter to the US congress (https://www.stopwatching.us/ ), calling for transparency, investigation, reform, and accountability, and have asked other organizations (including the Wikimedia Foundation) to join them in their efforts. We ask you to read the blog post for more details, and encourage you to tell us your views on this. Many thanks, Geoff and Luis Geoff Brigham General Counsel Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation Note: We expect to have a couple more translations of this announcement in the next couple of days. We would like to ask the international Wikimedia community to help translate the blog posting and feedback page (which are almost the same) as well as people’s feedback given throughout the course of this consultation period. Due to tight time limits, we hope to have professional translations for these documents posted by next Tuesday for at least German, French, Spanish, and Japanese. ___ ***Deutsch*** Hallo, Wir würden eure Aufmerksamkeit gern auf unseren Blogeintrag ( https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ ) zur PRISM-Situation und geheimdienstlicher Überwachung des Internets lenken. Wir bitten die Wikimediagemeinschaften um Rückmeldung zum vorgeschlagenen Vorgehen. (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PRISM) Kurz zusammengefasst tendieren wir dazu zu empfehlen, dass die Wikimedia Foundation mit Organisationen wie Mozilla, der Electronic Frontier Foundation, der Free Software Foundation und dem Zentrum für Demokratie und Technologie zusammenarbeitet. Diese Gruppen haben einen offenen Brief an den Kongress der Vereinigten Staaten (https://www.stopwatching.us/) vorbereitet um Transparenz, Untersuchung der Vorgänge, Reform sowie Rechenschaftspflicht einzufordern und haben andere Organisationen (einschließlich der Wikimedia Foundation) darum gebeten dieses Vorhaben zu unterstützen. Wir bitten euch den Blogeintrag mit den zugehörigen Details zu lesen und uns eure Meinung zu dem Vorschlag mitzuteilen. Vielen Dank, Geoff und Luis Geoff Brigham General Counsel Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation Hinweis: Wir würden die internationale WIkimediagemeinschaft gern darum bitten bei der Übersetzung des Blogeintrags und der Feedbackseite (die beiden sind fast identisch) sowie der Rückmeldungen aus der Community während der Konsultationsperiode mitzuhelfen. Durch die kurze Vorbereitungszeit hoffen wir bis Dienstag zumindest professionelle Übersetzungen für die Dokumente zumindest in Deutsch, Französisch, Spanisch und Japanisch zu haben. ___ ***Español*** Hola, Queremos dirigir su atención a nuestra entrada en el blog ( https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ ) sobre la situación PRISM involucra la vigilancia de inteligencia del gobierno en Internet. Estamos pidiendo Wikimedia retroalimentación de la comunidad sobre un curso de acción propuesto. ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PRISM ) En resumen, nos sentimos inclinados a recomendar que la Fundación Wikimedia colaborar con organizaciones como Mozilla, la Fundación Fronteras Electrónicas, la Fundación para el software libre y el Centro para la Democracia y la Tecnología. Estos grupos han preparado una carta abierta al Congreso de EE.UU.
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback
The reporting in the UK is that it is aimed at 'foreigners'. I think that is us! Of course that may be for domestic US consumption. On 15 June 2013 17:56, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, From my perspective ... I live outside the USA, PRISM only brings the American people the same surveillance the rest of the world has had for a long time. The only difference is that the pretence that the US populace is not watched is known to be a fiction. Thanks, GerardM On 15 June 2013 17:57, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Speaking as an individual and not on behalf of the chapter (and not as an American obviously) I think this seems a proportional response but would encourage everyone in the UK community to share their thoughts. I think it would be naive to think this was not aimed at US citizens as well, despite denials, but it certainly has implications for our freedoms in Europe. Jon Davies On 15 June 2013 00:59, Geoff Brigham gbrig...@wikimedia.org wrote: Note: German (Deutsch) and Spanish (Español) versions are below. ***English*** Hi all, We want to direct your attention to our blog post ( https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ ) about the PRISM situation involving government intelligence surveillance on the Internet. We are asking for Wikimedia community feedback on a proposed course of action ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PRISM ). In short, we are inclined to recommend that the Wikimedia Foundation collaborate with organizations including Mozilla, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the Free Software Foundation, and the Center for Democracy and Technology. These groups have now prepared an open letter to the US congress (https://www.stopwatching.us/ ), calling for transparency, investigation, reform, and accountability, and have asked other organizations (including the Wikimedia Foundation) to join them in their efforts. We ask you to read the blog post for more details, and encourage you to tell us your views on this. Many thanks, Geoff and Luis Geoff Brigham General Counsel Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation Note: We expect to have a couple more translations of this announcement in the next couple of days. We would like to ask the international Wikimedia community to help translate the blog posting and feedback page (which are almost the same) as well as people’s feedback given throughout the course of this consultation period. Due to tight time limits, we hope to have professional translations for these documents posted by next Tuesday for at least German, French, Spanish, and Japanese. ___ ***Deutsch*** Hallo, Wir würden eure Aufmerksamkeit gern auf unseren Blogeintrag ( https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ ) zur PRISM-Situation und geheimdienstlicher Überwachung des Internets lenken. Wir bitten die Wikimediagemeinschaften um Rückmeldung zum vorgeschlagenen Vorgehen. (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PRISM) Kurz zusammengefasst tendieren wir dazu zu empfehlen, dass die Wikimedia Foundation mit Organisationen wie Mozilla, der Electronic Frontier Foundation, der Free Software Foundation und dem Zentrum für Demokratie und Technologie zusammenarbeitet. Diese Gruppen haben einen offenen Brief an den Kongress der Vereinigten Staaten (https://www.stopwatching.us/) vorbereitet um Transparenz, Untersuchung der Vorgänge, Reform sowie Rechenschaftspflicht einzufordern und haben andere Organisationen (einschließlich der Wikimedia Foundation) darum gebeten dieses Vorhaben zu unterstützen. Wir bitten euch den Blogeintrag mit den zugehörigen Details zu lesen und uns eure Meinung zu dem Vorschlag mitzuteilen. Vielen Dank, Geoff und Luis Geoff Brigham General Counsel Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation Hinweis: Wir würden die internationale WIkimediagemeinschaft gern darum bitten bei der Übersetzung des Blogeintrags und der Feedbackseite (die beiden sind fast identisch) sowie der Rückmeldungen aus der Community während der Konsultationsperiode mitzuhelfen. Durch die kurze Vorbereitungszeit hoffen wir bis Dienstag zumindest professionelle Übersetzungen für die Dokumente zumindest in Deutsch, Französisch, Spanisch und Japanisch zu haben. ___ ***Español*** Hola, Queremos dirigir su atención a nuestra entrada en el blog ( https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ ) sobre la situación PRISM involucra la vigilancia de inteligencia del gobierno en Internet. Estamos pidiendo Wikimedia retroalimentación de la comunidad sobre un curso de acción propuesto. ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PRISM ) En resumen, nos
Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.netwrote: (Yes, you can speculate that they're probably doing this too, but this particular scandal is the NSA getting information from computer networks with the permission of the computer owners, not despite the owners actively trying to keep them out.) Actually, there is a small attached CIA unit to do just that. The story is a bit bigger than what The Guardian has published so far. Did you read what I said? Yes, you can speculate that that's what they're doing. But that's not what was published. The fact of the matter is that there would be a much bigger uproar if the NSA were caught doing what Aaron Swartz did, on American soil against an innocent American company. If NSA were caught breaking into wiring closets and hacking into computer networks, the 4th Amendment violation would be way more obvious and incontrovertible. Within the United States the FBI, has the authority, in appropriate cases, with a warrant, to engage in such activity. If there was a valid finding by a Federal District Court judge that the was a valid reason it would not be a 4th amendment violation. There is more than one source, not just what happens to be on the front page this week. Additionally, we are not bound by the canon of generally accepted knowledge in our discussions. That is our rule for encyclopedia articles, not our rules for thinking. Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback
The reporting in the UK is that it is aimed at 'foreigners'. I think that is us! Of course that may be for domestic US consumption. Yes, the thing is, we are an international organization, and, frankly, we don't vet people politically before they can create an account or edit. Our trust system is based on their behavior here, not what else they may be doing in their life. It is inevitable that from time to time we may be in communication with people that are out of favor with the United States government. However, I think that is so rare that neither American intelligence services nor us should waste much time on it. There is a vanishingly small chance that a request might be directed to us. I doubt expending hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting such a request is the best use of our money, but consensus may be different. It is pretty cheap putting on a brave face when there is little actual danger. Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: The fact of the matter is that there would be a much bigger uproar if the NSA were caught doing what Aaron Swartz did, on American soil against an innocent American company. If NSA were caught breaking into wiring closets and hacking into computer networks, the 4th Amendment violation would be way more obvious and incontrovertible. Within the United States the FBI, has the authority, in appropriate cases, with a warrant, to engage in such activity. That they can do it with a warrant is why I said an *innocent* American company. I'm quite aware of the existence of sneak-and-peak warrants. If these are being issued to hack into the networks of Google and Yahoo and all, without any evidence that Google and Yahoo and all were breaking the law, then I think evidence of this would cause a huge uproar, and that the practice would be found to be in violation of the 4th Amendment. If there was a valid finding by a Federal District Court judge that the was a valid reason it would not be a 4th amendment violation. By definition, if the warrant is valid, then the 4th Amendment is not violated, because a warrant which violates the 4th Amendment is not a valid one. But that's nothing more than hand waving. A warrant allowing the government to break into an MIT wiring closet and from there hack into the JSTOR network (spoofing IP and MAC addresses in order to get around blocks), without any evidence of wrongdoing on the part of MIT or JSTOR, would not be valid. Maybe by valid you meant procedurally valid, and not substantively valid? If so, you're just wrong. For those not familiar with the case against Aaron Swartz, who might be under the mistaken impression that all he did was download a bunch of public domain resources, Orin Kerr has a good summary at http://www.volokh.com/2013/01/14/aaron-swartz-charges/ where he concludes the charges against Swartz were based on a fair reading of the law. There is more than one source, not just what happens to be on the front page this week. Additionally, we are not bound by the canon of generally accepted knowledge in our discussions. That is our rule for encyclopedia articles, not our rules for thinking. I'm not sure whose rules for thinking you're talking about. Personally I have a rule against believing things without evidence. In some cases that's more lenient than Wikipedia's sourcing rules (original research is great), and in some cases it's more strict (I don't believe everything I read in the mainstream news). ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback
Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: * Geoff Brigham wrote: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ You are not making a good case there as to what to do and why and how this community is affected and needs to act. An immediate question seems to be whether the Wikimedia Foundation should become signatory of the Stop Watching Us open letter. No, the letter puts too much emphasis on people in the United States and domestic spying and the Foundation should not give the impression that that is a special kind of bad. [...] I can see nothing obvious that the Foundation could say or do in this regard at this time, and would expect the community to develop answers to questions like mine above before calling for action. So, no, I don't think the Foundation should join those other organisations at this time. I think I mostly agree with what you wrote. As I commented on the Meta-Wiki talk page,[1] I'd much rather see Wikimedia Foundation time and energy focused on defining what we stand for in documents like Sue's recent Guiding Principles[2] or the older Values pages.[3][4] Would most Wikimedians disagree with the type of behavior exhibited by the U.S. government? I think so. The NSA's actions don't seem to align well with our values of transparency and openness and user privacy. Does that mean it's something that we need to formally denounce? No, we should just keep doing what we're doing. And, as discussed on the Meta-Wiki talk page and in the blog post, we can work to bolster efforts such as HTTPS support, which may have a real impact on the underlying issue. These types of efforts are surely a better use resources rather than signing letters. Spending limited resources denouncing the latest government abuse (or potential future abuse) that happens to be in the news (SOPA, PRISM, etc.) feels faddish (all of our San Fran neighbors are doing it!) and doesn't seem particularly mature or productive. I think it's great for the Wikimedia Foundation to reiterate its values (cf. links 2–4 below) and work toward creating a world in which we can freely share in the sum of all human knowledge. Let's do that. MZMcBride [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:PRISM [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WFGP [3] https://www.wikimedia.org/wiki/Values [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Values ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] prism and certificate authorities, snooping https
hi, i saw on the wmf statement on meta that https everywhere should calm people. thats a good start already. 3 years ago the EFF (electronic frontier foundation) warned about https. Soghoian and Stamm write about especially about certificate authorities (CA): [...] Microsoft’s Root Certificate Program includes he governments of Austria, Brazil, [...], the United States and Uruguay. [...] each of these states has the power to facilitate attacks on encryption anywhere in the world — not just in its territory or Internet domain. [...] “Packet Forensics’ devices are designed to be inserted-into and removed-from busy networks without causing any noticeable interruption [. . . ] This allows you to conditionally intercept web, e-mail, VoIP and other traffic at-will, even while it remains protected inside an encrypted tunnel on the wire. Using ‘man-in-the-middle’ to intercept TLS or SSL is essentially an at-tack against the underlying Diffie-Hellman cryptographic key agreement protocol [. . . ] To use our product in this scenario, [government] users have the ability to import a copy of any legitimate key they obtain (potentially by court order) or they can generate ‘look-alike’ keys designed to give the subject a false sense of confidence in its authenticity.” [...] Individuals living in countries with laws that protect their privacy from unreasonable invasion have good reason to avoid trusting foreign governments (or foreign companies) to protect their private data. This is because individuals often receive the greatest legal protection from their own governments, and little to none from other countries. For example, US law strictly regulates the ability of the US government to collect information on US persons. However, the government can freely spy on foreigners around the world, as long as the surveillance is performed outside the US. the conclusion is also interesting: when a company that uses a certificate authority located in a country different than the one in which it holds user data, it needlessly exposes users’ data to the compelled disclosure by an additional government. so, by getting the certificates from digicert, the traffic can easier be snooped by the u.s. government. and only u.s. citizens are protected by u.s. law. this gives a lot of trust :) links: * https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/03/researchers-reveal-likelihood-governments-fake-ssl * http://files.cloudprivacy.net/ssl-mitm.pdf rupert ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] [wca] next phone meeting
Hi WCA and friends, we will have a phone meeting on Sunday, 16th of June @ 19:00 UTC [1]. More details and the agenda can be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Meetings/2013-24 If you want to join, please contact me for the phone meeting number. Please note there is an agenda point about current issues in the chapters. If you have anything trouble (or, of course, good news) you'd like to discuss, that's the time to do it. I think we also should talk about the board elections and a chapter perspective on the candidates. Best, Markus [1] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20130616T1900 -- Markus Glaser WCA Council Member (WMDE) Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. -- Markus Glaser WCA Council Member (WMDE), Chair Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback
To try and keep the discussion in one place it would be great if people could put their comments on the meta talk page (either as well as the mailing list or as well as) I'm going to try and copy some responses there (and from the blog) as well but possibly not discussions as that gets more complicated. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:PRISM James Alexander Legal and Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 2:16 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: * Geoff Brigham wrote: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ You are not making a good case there as to what to do and why and how this community is affected and needs to act. An immediate question seems to be whether the Wikimedia Foundation should become signatory of the Stop Watching Us open letter. No, the letter puts too much emphasis on people in the United States and domestic spying and the Foundation should not give the impression that that is a special kind of bad. [...] I can see nothing obvious that the Foundation could say or do in this regard at this time, and would expect the community to develop answers to questions like mine above before calling for action. So, no, I don't think the Foundation should join those other organisations at this time. I think I mostly agree with what you wrote. As I commented on the Meta-Wiki talk page,[1] I'd much rather see Wikimedia Foundation time and energy focused on defining what we stand for in documents like Sue's recent Guiding Principles[2] or the older Values pages.[3][4] Would most Wikimedians disagree with the type of behavior exhibited by the U.S. government? I think so. The NSA's actions don't seem to align well with our values of transparency and openness and user privacy. Does that mean it's something that we need to formally denounce? No, we should just keep doing what we're doing. And, as discussed on the Meta-Wiki talk page and in the blog post, we can work to bolster efforts such as HTTPS support, which may have a real impact on the underlying issue. These types of efforts are surely a better use resources rather than signing letters. Spending limited resources denouncing the latest government abuse (or potential future abuse) that happens to be in the news (SOPA, PRISM, etc.) feels faddish (all of our San Fran neighbors are doing it!) and doesn't seem particularly mature or productive. I think it's great for the Wikimedia Foundation to reiterate its values (cf. links 2–4 below) and work toward creating a world in which we can freely share in the sum of all human knowledge. Let's do that. MZMcBride [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:PRISM [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WFGP [3] https://www.wikimedia.org/wiki/Values [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Values ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
