Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback for the Wikimedia Foundation

2013-07-26 Thread Erik Moeller
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga everton.alvare...@okfn.org wrote: Speaking of template madness, the current horrible brokenness that are templates seem to be on the long term roadmap to be fixed. Fixing them requires breaking a whole lot, far more than a visual

[Wikimedia-l] Happy Sysadmin Appreciation Day!

2013-07-26 Thread Manuel Schneider
my congratulations and all the best! /Manuel -- Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Lausanne, +41 (21) 34066-22 - www.wikimedia.ch ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About the concentration of resources in SF (it was: Communication plans for community engagement

2013-07-26 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-07-26 04:23, Everton Zanella Alvarenga a écrit : Wikimedia Foundation planned a few years ago to open an office in Brazil, one India and one in the Middle East, but it has given up of this trial for several reasons. I think before thinking about the idea of this thread, these cases

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback for the Wikimedia Foundation

2013-07-26 Thread David Gerard
On 26 July 2013 03:12, Everton Zanella Alvarenga everton.alvare...@okfn.org wrote: Maybe a new community (less conservative?) to build a good encyclopedia can come up if a new platformn be invented? Hence power users as a snarl word. After the uprising of the 17th of June The Secretary of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About the concentration of resources in SF (it was: Communication plans for community engagement

2013-07-26 Thread Chris Keating
So, which other chapters are up for building out serious software engineering capacity? Actually we've been having this conversation a bit as part of our strategic planning process - how much should Wikimedia UK be doing technology and what place should it have in our long-term goals? After

[Wikimedia-l] Progress...

2013-07-26 Thread Fred Bauder
As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people experimenting with the new tools, rather than defending themselves from them.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...

2013-07-26 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people experimenting with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...

2013-07-26 Thread Fred Bauder
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people experimenting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...

2013-07-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Sorry Fred, I do not like your post. The quote has it wrong because research shows that it is factually wrong. Wikipedia has a better coverage at a superior quality to the encyclopaedia that went before. The only thing I can agree with is that it is available at a much lower cost; it is the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Happy Sysadmin Appreciation Day!

2013-07-26 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
On 07/26/2013 03:09 AM, Manuel Schneider wrote: my congratulations and all the best! /Manuel I second this sentiment. :) People who want to understand what the Wikimedia Foundation operations staff does might like a blog post from February.[0] Ops is under Technical Operations in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...

2013-07-26 Thread Fred Bauder
Hoi, Sorry Fred, I do not like your post. The quote has it wrong because research shows that it is factually wrong. Wikipedia has a better coverage at a superior quality to the encyclopaedia that went before. The only thing I can agree with is that it is available at a much lower cost; it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...

2013-07-26 Thread David Gerard
On 26 July 2013 13:33, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to Wikipedia,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...

2013-07-26 Thread David Cuenca
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.netwrote: If systemic biased editing is not considered your statement would be true. However, one of the side effects of our volunteeristic methods is that systemic bias resulting from editing by groups and interests with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...

2013-07-26 Thread geni
On 26 July 2013 12:48, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people experimenting with the new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...

2013-07-26 Thread Fred Bauder
On 26 July 2013 12:48, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people experimenting with the new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...

2013-07-26 Thread Todd Allen
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Hoi, Sorry Fred, I do not like your post. The quote has it wrong because research shows that it is factually wrong. Wikipedia has a better coverage at a superior quality to the encyclopaedia that went before.

[Wikimedia-l] Collaborative machine translation for Wikipedia -- proposed strategy

2013-07-26 Thread David Cuenca
After Erik's email about supporting open source machine translation [1], I've been researching options and having talks with several machine translation researchers about what would be the best way to integrate MT into Wikipedia. Unfortunately I couldn't find a single solution that, on its own,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Happy Sysadmin Appreciation Day!

2013-07-26 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks to all the people who have built and maintained infrastructure for the Wikimedia movement over the past twelve-plus years, no matter where you worked. Hear, hear! SJ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Happy Sysadmin Appreciation Day!

2013-07-26 Thread Victor Grigas
Thanks to all those who keep this thing we love up and running. On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all the people who have built and maintained infrastructure for the Wikimedia movement over the past twelve-plus years, no matter where you

[Wikimedia-l] fundraising experiment (ongoing!) results and question

2013-07-26 Thread James Salsman
As much as I complain about the fundraising team's continued neglect of the as yet unmeasured potential of the majority of the volunteer-submitted banner messaging ideas, I thought it would be nice to show the results of their latest experiment: http://i.imgur.com/gDBvNSt.png Note that the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About the concentration of resources in SF (it was: Communication plans for community engagement

2013-07-26 Thread Ryan Lane
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Anyway, being able to disband the SF office as regards software development (and perhaps more), and switch to remote work only,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About the concentration of resources in SF (it was: Communication plans for community engagement

2013-07-26 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:39 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: If WMF is serious about letting development activities grow in other countries this might be taken into account in FDCs allocation policy. For my part, I'm happy to offer feedback to the FDC on plans related to the

[Wikimedia-l] Updates on VE data analysis

2013-07-26 Thread Dario Taraborelli
Hey folks, I wanted to give you a heads up that I posted an update on VE data analysis [1] and created a single page on Meta [2] with links to the various VE dashboards and reports (some of which are still being expanded/improved). [1]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates on VE data analysis

2013-07-26 Thread James Salsman
Dario, Do you intend to measure the total number of edits per day prior to and after the visual editor roll-out? It appears that you have not analyzed or presented any data associated with those statistics. For example, why are you not providing a daily version of the hourly graph at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Communication plans for community engagement

2013-07-26 Thread Roan Kattouw
Nathan nawrich@... writes: I think your anti-Americanism is misplaced. Let's look at some of the key people involved in the VisualEditor project. Erik is German, James F is British, Roan Kattouw is Dutch, Timo Tijhof is Dutch. If you were to skim the list of the engineering staff, they are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates on VE data analysis

2013-07-26 Thread James Salsman
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Dario Taraborelli dtarabore...@wikimedia.org wrote: ... We do have a graph of total hourly edits on enwiki across mainspaces here: http://ee-dashboard.wmflabs.org/graphs/enwiki_edits_api - it's trivial to bin by day and filter to the main namespace only, I'll

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates on VE data analysis

2013-07-26 Thread Robert Rohde
I would suggest that it would be good to look specifically at daily total article edit counts by editor classes. The anon total in particular is off considerably (~15%) since VE launched. Also, many of the graphs seem to be reporting only a single month worth of values. That will become a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates on VE data analysis

2013-07-26 Thread Tilman Bayer
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 5:52 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: For example, why are you not providing a daily version of the hourly graph at http://ee-dashboard.wmflabs.org/graphs/enwiki_ve_hourly_by_ui ? Note that if you are interested in VE edits per user type instead,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates on VE data analysis

2013-07-26 Thread Steven Walling
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 5:52 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Do you intend to measure the total number of edits per day prior to and after the visual editor roll-out? It appears that you have not analyzed or presented any data associated with those statistics. We run A/B tests

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates on VE data analysis

2013-07-26 Thread MZMcBride
James Salsman wrote: It would be great to know what the average total edits per day was in June. Hi. I don't really mean to feed the beast, as it were, but your posts got me curious enough to re-run a query of the number of non-deleted revisions per day for the English Wikipedia. The results are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates on VE data analysis

2013-07-26 Thread James Salsman
Steven Walling wrote: ... We know, for instance, that as the summer progresses, editing activity drops and climbs again in the fall How do we know that? According to http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaEN.htm database edits increased from June to July and fell from July to