Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiktionary-l] Meeting about the support of Wiktionary in Wikidata

2013-08-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
Would be interested but I am not there ... As are many other people ...
Thanks,
GerardM


On 9 August 2013 06:43, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote:

  wiktionar...@lists.wikimedia.orgHi,

 If there is someone in Wikimania interested in participating in the talks
 about the future support of Wiktionary in Wikidata, we will having a
 discussion about the several proposals.
 http://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Support_of_Wiktionary_in_Wikidata

 Date : Saturday, 10 Aug, 11:30 am - 1:00 pm
 Place: Y520 (block Y, 5th floor)

 See you there,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata-l] Meeting about the support of Wiktionary in Wikidata

2013-08-09 Thread Romaine Wiki
Are there much users from Wiktionary in Hong Kong? I do not think any of the 
Dutch users is, I can't say for others.

I think it would be essential that this subject is discussed inside the wider 
Wiktionary community. To me the group of users participating is too narrow. 
Also is a mailing list not handy as most of the users from Wiktionary do not 
read that. I think a Wikt-community wide discussion is needed.

Romaine



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wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Date: Friday, August 9, 2013, 4:43 AM
 
 Hi,
 
 
 If there is someone in Wikimania interested in participating
 in the talks about the future support of Wiktionary in
 Wikidata, we will having a discussion about the several
 proposals.
 
 
 
 http://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Support_of_Wiktionary_in_Wikidata
 
 Date : Saturday, 10 Aug, 11:30 am - 1:00 pm
 
 
 Place: Y520 (block Y, 5th floor)
 
 See you there,
 Micru
 
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata-l] Meeting about the support of Wiktionary in Wikidata

2013-08-09 Thread Mathieu Stumpf

Le 2013-08-09 13:04, Romaine Wiki a écrit :

Are there much users from Wiktionary in Hong Kong? I do not think any
of the Dutch users is, I can't say for others.

I think it would be essential that this subject is discussed inside
the wider Wiktionary community. To me the group of users 
participating

is too narrow. Also is a mailing list not handy as most of the users
from Wiktionary do not read that. I think a Wikt-community wide
discussion is needed.


I agree, and I think meta would be the most obvious channel for such
a discussion.

As said in the previous email, there's already [[Wiktionary future]]
which is waiting for contributions and discussion on meta. Anyway,
whatever the canal, it would be realy important to make aware as
much contributors as possible aware of this initiative, so they can
provide relevant feedback specific to their needs.



Romaine



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 Date: Friday, August 9, 2013, 4:43 AM

 Hi,


 If there is someone in Wikimania interested in participating
 in the talks about the future support of Wiktionary in
 Wikidata, we will having a discussion about the several
 proposals.



 
http://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Support_of_Wiktionary_in_Wikidata


 Date : Saturday, 10 Aug, 11:30 am - 1:00 pm


 Place: Y520 (block Y, 5th floor)

 See you there,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata-l] Meeting about the support of Wiktionary in Wikidata

2013-08-09 Thread JP Béland
I agree. We also need to include the Omegawiki community.

JP
On Aug 9, 2013 8:17 PM, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org
wrote:

 Le 2013-08-09 13:04, Romaine Wiki a écrit :

 Are there much users from Wiktionary in Hong Kong? I do not think any
 of the Dutch users is, I can't say for others.

 I think it would be essential that this subject is discussed inside
 the wider Wiktionary community. To me the group of users participating
 is too narrow. Also is a mailing list not handy as most of the users
 from Wiktionary do not read that. I think a Wikt-community wide
 discussion is needed.


 I agree, and I think meta would be the most obvious channel for such
 a discussion.

 As said in the previous email, there's already [[Wiktionary future]]
 which is waiting for contributions and discussion on meta. Anyway,
 whatever the canal, it would be realy important to make aware as
 much contributors as possible aware of this initiative, so they can
 provide relevant feedback specific to their needs.


 Romaine


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  Date: Friday, August 9, 2013, 4:43 AM

  Hi,


  If there is someone in Wikimania interested in participating
  in the talks about the future support of Wiktionary in
  Wikidata, we will having a discussion about the several
  proposals.



  http://wikimania2013.**wikimedia.org/wiki/Support_of_**
 Wiktionary_in_Wikidatahttp://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Support_of_Wiktionary_in_Wikidata

  Date : Saturday, 10 Aug, 11:30 am - 1:00 pm


  Place: Y520 (block Y, 5th floor)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata-l] Meeting about the support of Wiktionary in Wikidata

2013-08-09 Thread Laura Hale
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 6:13 PM, JP Béland lebo.bel...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree. We also need to include the Omegawiki community.


Why? The question of moving them into the WMF fold was pretty much no,
because the project has an overlapping purpose with Wiktionary, and the
technology they use cannot be supported with the existing resources
available.  There was a great deal of community reasoned community
opposition.

If they independently want to engage in the process on the Wikidata side
without a goal of creating a competing Wikimedia project, that is one
thing... but bringing them to the table as equals sets bad precedent for
sister projects, contributor retention, community support, etc.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata-l] Meeting about the support of Wiktionary in Wikidata

2013-08-09 Thread JP Béland
Just because the service Wikidata could provide to Wiktionaries is exactly
what Omegawiki is doing. I'm not saying to talk about Omegawiki joining WMF
but looking at a way to use what volunteers already committed time to
develop on Omegawiki on Wikidata implementation for Wiktionaries.
 On Aug 10, 2013 12:22 AM, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote:

 On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 6:13 PM, JP Béland lebo.bel...@gmail.com wrote:

  I agree. We also need to include the Omegawiki community.
 

 Why? The question of moving them into the WMF fold was pretty much no,
 because the project has an overlapping purpose with Wiktionary, and the
 technology they use cannot be supported with the existing resources
 available.  There was a great deal of community reasoned community
 opposition.

 If they independently want to engage in the process on the Wikidata side
 without a goal of creating a competing Wikimedia project, that is one
 thing... but bringing them to the table as equals sets bad precedent for
 sister projects, contributor retention, community support, etc.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata-l] Meeting about the support of Wiktionary in Wikidata

2013-08-09 Thread Samuel Klein
Hello,

 On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 6:13 PM, JP Béland lebo.bel...@gmail.com wrote:
 I agree. We also need to include the Omegawiki community.

Agreed.

On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote:
 Why? The question of moving them into the WMF fold was pretty much no,
 because the project has an overlapping purpose with Wiktionary,

This is not actually the case.
There was overwhelming community support for adopting Omegawiki - at
least simply providing hosting.  It stalled because the code needed a
security and style review, and Kip (the lead developer) was going to
put some time into that.  The OW editors and dev were very interested
in finding a way forward that involved Wikidata and led to a combined
project with a single repository of terms, meanings, definitions and
translations.

Recap: The page describing the OmegaWiki project satisfies all of the
criteria for requesting WMF adoption.
* It is well-defined on Meta http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Omegawiki
* It describes an interesting idea clearly aligned with expanding the
scope of free knowledge
* It is not a 'competing' project to Wiktionaries; it is an idea that
grew out of the Wiktionary community, has been developed for years
alongside it, and shares many active contributors and linguiaphiles.
* It started an RfC which garnered 85% support for adoption.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Adopt_OmegaWiki

Even if the current OW code is not used at all for a future Wiktionary
update -- and this idea was proposed and taken seriously by the OW
devs -- their community of contributors should be part of discussions
about how to solve the Wiktionary problem that they were the first to
dedicate themselves to.

Regards,
Sam.

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[Wikimedia-l] OTRS upgraded

2013-08-09 Thread Rjd0060
As an update to the previous wikimedia-l thread from February 2013
(http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-February/124139.html),

I'm happy to announce that earlier this week our OTRS installation was
upgraded from version 2.4 to version 3.2.9[1].  With this upgrade, our
team is provided an enhanced and more user-friendly interface, a
better ability to monitor and track long-term trends for statistics
and reports on customer service, and a number of other enhancements.
All of these new features and bug fixes should allow for faster
response times and general increased customer and user satisfaction.

On behalf of the OTRS administrators and the entire volunteer response
team, I'd like to thank all who were involved in this process.
Specifically Jeff Green and other Wikimedia operations staff, Maggie
Dennis and the LCA team, Martin (the inventor of OTRS) and Marcel (an
OTRS developer) for all of the time and assistance that they provided
during this much-needed upgrade.  We look forward to continuing to
provide the best customer service[2] possible and being a voice for
the Wikimedia projects.

As always, for more information on Wikimedia OTRS, see Meta[3].

[1] - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22622
[2] - http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/07/29/wikipedia-acsi-customer-satisfaction/
[3] - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] OTRS upgraded

2013-08-09 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Rjd0060 rjd0060.w...@gmail.com wrote:

 As an update to the previous wikimedia-l thread from February 2013
 (
 http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-February/124139.html
 ),

 I'm happy to announce that earlier this week our OTRS installation was
 upgraded from version 2.4 to version 3.2.9[1].  With this upgrade, our
 team is provided an enhanced and more user-friendly interface, a
 better ability to monitor and track long-term trends for statistics
 and reports on customer service, and a number of other enhancements.
 All of these new features and bug fixes should allow for faster
 response times and general increased customer and user satisfaction.


Hear hear!

http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/08/09/wikimedias-email-response-upgrade/

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata-l] Meeting about the support of Wiktionary in Wikidata

2013-08-09 Thread Denny Vrandečić
We are keeping notes on Etherpad
http://epl.wikimedia.org/p/WiktionaryAndWikidata

If connectivity allows, you can also try to connect via Hangout or Skype or
IRC. Ping aude or me on #wikimedia-wikidata on IRC.

Cheers,
Denny




2013/8/10 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com

 Hello,

  On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 6:13 PM, JP Béland lebo.bel...@gmail.com wrote:
  I agree. We also need to include the Omegawiki community.

 Agreed.

 On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote:
  Why? The question of moving them into the WMF fold was pretty much no,
  because the project has an overlapping purpose with Wiktionary,

 This is not actually the case.
 There was overwhelming community support for adopting Omegawiki - at
 least simply providing hosting.  It stalled because the code needed a
 security and style review, and Kip (the lead developer) was going to
 put some time into that.  The OW editors and dev were very interested
 in finding a way forward that involved Wikidata and led to a combined
 project with a single repository of terms, meanings, definitions and
 translations.

 Recap: The page describing the OmegaWiki project satisfies all of the
 criteria for requesting WMF adoption.
 * It is well-defined on Meta http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Omegawiki
 * It describes an interesting idea clearly aligned with expanding the
 scope of free knowledge
 * It is not a 'competing' project to Wiktionaries; it is an idea that
 grew out of the Wiktionary community, has been developed for years
 alongside it, and shares many active contributors and linguiaphiles.
 * It started an RfC which garnered 85% support for adoption.
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Adopt_OmegaWiki

 Even if the current OW code is not used at all for a future Wiktionary
 update -- and this idea was proposed and taken seriously by the OW
 devs -- their community of contributors should be part of discussions
 about how to solve the Wiktionary problem that they were the first to
 dedicate themselves to.

 Regards,
 Sam.

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