[Wikimedia-l] Language Engineering bug triage session for RTL language bugs - Aug 28th 2013, Wednesday 1700 UTC/1000PDT
Hello, The Wikimedia Language Engineering team will be hosting a bug triage session on Wednesday, August 28th 2013 at 17:00 UTC (10:00 PDT) for some of the bugs that exist in languages written from Right-to-Left (RTL). During this 1 hour session we will be using the etherpad linked below to collaborate. We have already listed some bugs, but please feel free to add more bugs (or file new ones!), and comments about what you’d like to see addressed during the session. You can send questions directly to me on email or IRC (nick: arrbee). Please see below for the event details. Thank you. regards Runa === Event Details === # What: Bug triage session for RTL language bugs # Date: August 28, 2013 (Wednesday) # Time: 1700-1800 UTC, 1000-1100 PDT (Timezone conversion: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20130828T1700 ) # IRC Channel: #mediawiki-i18n (Freenode) # Etherpad: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/BugTriage-i18n-2013-08 Questions can be sent to: runa at wikimedia dot org -- Language Engineering - Outreach and QA Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Questions for the Board post-Wikimania
phoebe ayers, 17/08/2013 17:49: P.s.: Generic questions to the board on this list are usually ignored/missed, unless [sometimes] when they are in reply to something posted on behalf of the board; in theory I guess the place for such public questions would be https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/BN which offers some permanency, but has never been really used yet. Well, threads like this are fine; this came out of the Wikimania questions, as Steven noted. We can certainly try to revive the board noticeboard too! As a way to revive it, any trustee can pick an unanswered question from the Wikimania wiki page and answer it there without polluting their email. ;) Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?
Hi, Have you noticed the new internet.org initiative by Facebook, Samsung, Nokia, Qualcomm, Ericsson and MediaTek? Internet.org is a global partnership between technology leaders, nonprofits, local communities and experts who are working together to bring the internet to the two thirds of the world’s population that doesn’t have it.[1, 2] Would it make sense for the WMF's Wikipedia Zero program to collaborate with this? Any comments? Best regards, - Teemu [1] http://www.internet.org [2] http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/21/technology/facebook-leads-an-effort-to-lower-barriers-to-internet-access.html -- Teemu Leinonen http://www2.uiah.fi/~tleinone/ +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi Aalto University School of Arts, Design and Architecture -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] A proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia
Using a rather simple pair like Afrikaans - Dutch or a heavily researched one like English - Spanish would be giving us a wrong impression of how this will scale. We should at least add a few random pairs like Yoruba - Gujarati or Kazakh - Lombard. Most of our 67,000 language pairs that we will have to cover will fall in the latter group, not in the first two. 2013/8/23 David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: As with so many things, it will be hard to assess cost/benefits without making some effort. A safe bet could be to try with an existing pair or develop a pair with an estimated high demand. Is there a pair where some work has already been done? For Apertium there are quite a few already done: http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Main_Page Regarding new language pairs, no idea if the priorities for Wikipedia would be the same as the priorities the Apertium community has. It might be worth considering which languages to prioritize and how to measure success or lack thereof. Cheers, Micru ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Project director Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?
I'm maybe too pessimistic, but I would be really surprised if this project, at any time, really helps to provide an access (neutral) to the Internet. More probable: They will try to give a free/cheap access to a set of their online services and so one do the same like AOL or MSN have tried to do 15 years ago. ... or like we do with Wikipedia zero... but, to the contrary to this alliance, Wikimedia has never claimed that they wanted to give access to the Internet. So, IMO, this whole story about internet.org stinks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oFXCXQpJXI Emmanuel Le 23/08/2013 10:25, Leinonen Teemu a écrit : Hi, Have you noticed the new internet.org initiative by Facebook, Samsung, Nokia, Qualcomm, Ericsson and MediaTek? Internet.org is a global partnership between technology leaders, nonprofits, local communities and experts who are working together to bring the internet to the two thirds of the world’s population that doesn’t have it.[1, 2] Would it make sense for the WMF's Wikipedia Zero program to collaborate with this? Any comments? Best regards, - Teemu [1] http://www.internet.org [2] http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/21/technology/facebook-leads-an-effort-to-lower-barriers-to-internet-access.html -- Kiwix - Wikipedia Offline more * Web: http://www.kiwix.org * Twitter: https://twitter.com/KiwixOffline * more: http://www.kiwix.org/wiki/Communication ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?
Emmanuel, I have my concerns as well so we're watching how things unfold for now. Perhaps to add to Teemu's question (If I could be so bold) how would internet.org need to evolve to make it worth our time and effort to be involved? --Kul On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Emmanuel Engelhart kel...@kiwix.orgwrote: I'm maybe too pessimistic, but I would be really surprised if this project, at any time, really helps to provide an access (neutral) to the Internet. More probable: They will try to give a free/cheap access to a set of their online services and so one do the same like AOL or MSN have tried to do 15 years ago. ... or like we do with Wikipedia zero... but, to the contrary to this alliance, Wikimedia has never claimed that they wanted to give access to the Internet. So, IMO, this whole story about internet.org stinks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oFXCXQpJXI Emmanuel Le 23/08/2013 10:25, Leinonen Teemu a écrit : Hi, Have you noticed the new internet.org initiative by Facebook, Samsung, Nokia, Qualcomm, Ericsson and MediaTek? Internet.org is a global partnership between technology leaders, nonprofits, local communities and experts who are working together to bring the internet to the two thirds of the world’s population that doesn’t have it.[1, 2] Would it make sense for the WMF's Wikipedia Zero program to collaborate with this? Any comments? Best regards, - Teemu [1] http://www.internet.org [2] http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/21/technology/facebook-leads-an-effort-to-lower-barriers-to-internet-access.html -- Kiwix - Wikipedia Offline more * Web: http://www.kiwix.org * Twitter: https://twitter.com/KiwixOffline * more: http://www.kiwix.org/wiki/Communication ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Kul Wadhwa Head of Mobile Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?
Hoi, All we need to do is what we already do: make our content available for free. When we are really in their face that we bring neutral information to everyone, everywhere how and why will they deny us? Thanks, GerardM On 23 August 2013 10:59, Kul Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.org wrote: Emmanuel, I have my concerns as well so we're watching how things unfold for now. Perhaps to add to Teemu's question (If I could be so bold) how would internet.org need to evolve to make it worth our time and effort to be involved? --Kul On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Emmanuel Engelhart kel...@kiwix.org wrote: I'm maybe too pessimistic, but I would be really surprised if this project, at any time, really helps to provide an access (neutral) to the Internet. More probable: They will try to give a free/cheap access to a set of their online services and so one do the same like AOL or MSN have tried to do 15 years ago. ... or like we do with Wikipedia zero... but, to the contrary to this alliance, Wikimedia has never claimed that they wanted to give access to the Internet. So, IMO, this whole story about internet.org stinks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oFXCXQpJXI Emmanuel Le 23/08/2013 10:25, Leinonen Teemu a écrit : Hi, Have you noticed the new internet.org initiative by Facebook, Samsung, Nokia, Qualcomm, Ericsson and MediaTek? Internet.org is a global partnership between technology leaders, nonprofits, local communities and experts who are working together to bring the internet to the two thirds of the world’s population that doesn’t have it.[1, 2] Would it make sense for the WMF's Wikipedia Zero program to collaborate with this? Any comments? Best regards, - Teemu [1] http://www.internet.org [2] http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/21/technology/facebook-leads-an-effort-to-lower-barriers-to-internet-access.html -- Kiwix - Wikipedia Offline more * Web: http://www.kiwix.org * Twitter: https://twitter.com/KiwixOffline * more: http://www.kiwix.org/wiki/Communication ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Kul Wadhwa Head of Mobile Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?
I would suggest to keep distance to this wannabe-NGO which more or less only exists to serve the interests of commercial players which mostly do * not* stand for a free and open web. internet.org is nothing what will serve the ideas and ideals of an internet as it is represented also by Wikimedia. Don't believe the hype. Best regards Jens Best 2013/8/23 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com Hoi, All we need to do is what we already do: make our content available for free. When we are really in their face that we bring neutral information to everyone, everywhere how and why will they deny us? Thanks, GerardM On 23 August 2013 10:59, Kul Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.org wrote: Emmanuel, I have my concerns as well so we're watching how things unfold for now. Perhaps to add to Teemu's question (If I could be so bold) how would internet.org need to evolve to make it worth our time and effort to be involved? --Kul On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Emmanuel Engelhart kel...@kiwix.org wrote: I'm maybe too pessimistic, but I would be really surprised if this project, at any time, really helps to provide an access (neutral) to the Internet. More probable: They will try to give a free/cheap access to a set of their online services and so one do the same like AOL or MSN have tried to do 15 years ago. ... or like we do with Wikipedia zero... but, to the contrary to this alliance, Wikimedia has never claimed that they wanted to give access to the Internet. So, IMO, this whole story about internet.org stinks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oFXCXQpJXI Emmanuel Le 23/08/2013 10:25, Leinonen Teemu a écrit : Hi, Have you noticed the new internet.org initiative by Facebook, Samsung, Nokia, Qualcomm, Ericsson and MediaTek? Internet.org is a global partnership between technology leaders, nonprofits, local communities and experts who are working together to bring the internet to the two thirds of the world’s population that doesn’t have it.[1, 2] Would it make sense for the WMF's Wikipedia Zero program to collaborate with this? Any comments? Best regards, - Teemu [1] http://www.internet.org [2] http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/21/technology/facebook-leads-an-effort-to-lower-barriers-to-internet-access.html -- Kiwix - Wikipedia Offline more * Web: http://www.kiwix.org * Twitter: https://twitter.com/KiwixOffline * more: http://www.kiwix.org/wiki/Communication ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Kul Wadhwa Head of Mobile Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- -- Jens Best Präsidium Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. web: http://www.wikimedia.de mail: jens.best http://goog_17221883@wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?
On 23 August 2013 10:28, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de wrote: I would suggest to keep distance to this wannabe-NGO which more or less only exists to serve the interests of commercial players which mostly do * not* stand for a free and open web. internet.org is nothing what will serve the ideas and ideals of an internet as it is represented also by Wikimedia. Don't believe the hype. I concur. Dig this: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/13/08/what-internetorgs-stirring-video-cut-from-the-kennedy-speech-it-quotes/278896/ Whatever these people are doing doesn't actually appear to be much to do with what we're doing. - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?
Le 23/08/2013 10:59, Kul Wadhwa a écrit : I have my concerns as well so we're watching how things unfold for now. Perhaps to add to Teemu's question (If I could be so bold) how would internet.org need to evolve to make it worth our time and effort to be involved? If what I fear becomes real, then I would be sad that our movement joins such a dishonest project. If they want to give access to a subset of Internet services and adapt their communication (honesty about the product), then we face a dilemma. A dilemna between our wish to give access to our content (tactical move) and the one of having a free, neutral and un-clustered Internet (strategical view)... Big discussions in view, but we already have done it with Wikipedia zero and I know the WMF tends to be pragmatic in such situations ;) If they really want to help to give a neutral access to internet... then this is really a dream we should be part of! But, this is all about speculations... I just wanted to explain why this launch doesn't sound well to my hears. But I know nothing about their real intentions and concrete projects. That's why, it's IMO urgent to wait... and see in which direction they will make the next moves. Emmanuel -- Kiwix - Wikipedia Offline more * Web: http://www.kiwix.org * Twitter: https://twitter.com/KiwixOffline * more: http://www.kiwix.org/wiki/Communication ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?
Nothing good comes with people like Mark Zuckerberg or Peter Thiel, they don't share our vision of a *really* free and open internet. So, actually, Emmanuel, I couldn't care less which direction they gonna make their next moves. It will all be a disguise of what they really attempt and with whom they really cooperate. It's time to realize that there isn't a shared vision of the web between Silicon Valley and Wikimedia. Their words are empty. When they speak of freedom, they speak of the freedom of money and control. Just because they use the word internet they don't speak of the same thing we do. Jens 2013/8/23 Emmanuel Engelhart kel...@kiwix.org Le 23/08/2013 10:59, Kul Wadhwa a écrit : I have my concerns as well so we're watching how things unfold for now. Perhaps to add to Teemu's question (If I could be so bold) how would internet.org need to evolve to make it worth our time and effort to be involved? If what I fear becomes real, then I would be sad that our movement joins such a dishonest project. If they want to give access to a subset of Internet services and adapt their communication (honesty about the product), then we face a dilemma. A dilemna between our wish to give access to our content (tactical move) and the one of having a free, neutral and un-clustered Internet (strategical view)... Big discussions in view, but we already have done it with Wikipedia zero and I know the WMF tends to be pragmatic in such situations ;) If they really want to help to give a neutral access to internet... then this is really a dream we should be part of! But, this is all about speculations... I just wanted to explain why this launch doesn't sound well to my hears. But I know nothing about their real intentions and concrete projects. That's why, it's IMO urgent to wait... and see in which direction they will make the next moves. Emmanuel -- Kiwix - Wikipedia Offline more * Web: http://www.kiwix.org * Twitter: https://twitter.com/KiwixOffline * more: http://www.kiwix.org/wiki/Communication ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- -- Jens Best Präsidium Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. web: http://www.wikimedia.de mail: jens.best http://goog_17221883@wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?
Hoi, But when they provide the infrastructure that allows our content to be seen by many more people, they do us a service. In the end it is what we are about. Last thing I heard we were first of all about getting the knowledge out there. Thanks, GerardM On 23 August 2013 12:14, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de wrote: Nothing good comes with people like Mark Zuckerberg or Peter Thiel, they don't share our vision of a *really* free and open internet. So, actually, Emmanuel, I couldn't care less which direction they gonna make their next moves. It will all be a disguise of what they really attempt and with whom they really cooperate. It's time to realize that there isn't a shared vision of the web between Silicon Valley and Wikimedia. Their words are empty. When they speak of freedom, they speak of the freedom of money and control. Just because they use the word internet they don't speak of the same thing we do. Jens 2013/8/23 Emmanuel Engelhart kel...@kiwix.org Le 23/08/2013 10:59, Kul Wadhwa a écrit : I have my concerns as well so we're watching how things unfold for now. Perhaps to add to Teemu's question (If I could be so bold) how would internet.org need to evolve to make it worth our time and effort to be involved? If what I fear becomes real, then I would be sad that our movement joins such a dishonest project. If they want to give access to a subset of Internet services and adapt their communication (honesty about the product), then we face a dilemma. A dilemna between our wish to give access to our content (tactical move) and the one of having a free, neutral and un-clustered Internet (strategical view)... Big discussions in view, but we already have done it with Wikipedia zero and I know the WMF tends to be pragmatic in such situations ;) If they really want to help to give a neutral access to internet... then this is really a dream we should be part of! But, this is all about speculations... I just wanted to explain why this launch doesn't sound well to my hears. But I know nothing about their real intentions and concrete projects. That's why, it's IMO urgent to wait... and see in which direction they will make the next moves. Emmanuel -- Kiwix - Wikipedia Offline more * Web: http://www.kiwix.org * Twitter: https://twitter.com/KiwixOffline * more: http://www.kiwix.org/wiki/Communication ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- -- Jens Best Präsidium Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. web: http://www.wikimedia.de mail: jens.best http://goog_17221883@wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?
Looks like NSA has bought some new hard drives and needs moar data. 2013/8/23 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com Hoi, But when they provide the infrastructure that allows our content to be seen by many more people, they do us a service. In the end it is what we are about. Last thing I heard we were first of all about getting the knowledge out there. Thanks, GerardM On 23 August 2013 12:14, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de wrote: Nothing good comes with people like Mark Zuckerberg or Peter Thiel, they don't share our vision of a *really* free and open internet. So, actually, Emmanuel, I couldn't care less which direction they gonna make their next moves. It will all be a disguise of what they really attempt and with whom they really cooperate. It's time to realize that there isn't a shared vision of the web between Silicon Valley and Wikimedia. Their words are empty. When they speak of freedom, they speak of the freedom of money and control. Just because they use the word internet they don't speak of the same thing we do. Jens 2013/8/23 Emmanuel Engelhart kel...@kiwix.org Le 23/08/2013 10:59, Kul Wadhwa a écrit : I have my concerns as well so we're watching how things unfold for now. Perhaps to add to Teemu's question (If I could be so bold) how would internet.org need to evolve to make it worth our time and effort to be involved? If what I fear becomes real, then I would be sad that our movement joins such a dishonest project. If they want to give access to a subset of Internet services and adapt their communication (honesty about the product), then we face a dilemma. A dilemna between our wish to give access to our content (tactical move) and the one of having a free, neutral and un-clustered Internet (strategical view)... Big discussions in view, but we already have done it with Wikipedia zero and I know the WMF tends to be pragmatic in such situations ;) If they really want to help to give a neutral access to internet... then this is really a dream we should be part of! But, this is all about speculations... I just wanted to explain why this launch doesn't sound well to my hears. But I know nothing about their real intentions and concrete projects. That's why, it's IMO urgent to wait... and see in which direction they will make the next moves. Emmanuel -- Kiwix - Wikipedia Offline more * Web: http://www.kiwix.org * Twitter: https://twitter.com/KiwixOffline * more: http://www.kiwix.org/wiki/Communication ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- -- Jens Best Präsidium Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. web: http://www.wikimedia.de mail: jens.best http://goog_17221883@wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] A proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia
Something to take into account should be the efficiency a language pair can have. For instance, how many articles there are available, how easy is to translate articles, how many bilingual speakers there are for a given pair, and perhaps also, how much it can help to harmonize relationships between speakers of both languages. There seems to be much more demand for languages that are geographically closer. While speakers of Kazakh might have little interest in reading the Lombard or Gujarati wikipedias, they might be more inclined to visit the Tatar wikipedia, which by the way is closely related and much easier to translate. So no, I don't think we should base our decisions on the theoretical number of pairs that can exist, but on the ones that offer the best efficiency. Cheers, Micru On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 4:45 AM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: Using a rather simple pair like Afrikaans - Dutch or a heavily researched one like English - Spanish would be giving us a wrong impression of how this will scale. We should at least add a few random pairs like Yoruba - Gujarati or Kazakh - Lombard. Most of our 67,000 language pairs that we will have to cover will fall in the latter group, not in the first two. 2013/8/23 David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: As with so many things, it will be hard to assess cost/benefits without making some effort. A safe bet could be to try with an existing pair or develop a pair with an estimated high demand. Is there a pair where some work has already been done? For Apertium there are quite a few already done: http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Main_Page Regarding new language pairs, no idea if the priorities for Wikipedia would be the same as the priorities the Apertium community has. It might be worth considering which languages to prioritize and how to measure success or lack thereof. Cheers, Micru ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Project director Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Etiamsi omnes, ego non ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Etherpad Lite labs instance going down in two weeks - backup time
Thanks to Mark Holmquist for maintaining http://etherpad.wmflabs.org for the past long while. It is going down in 2 weeks, so please retrieve your text. I recommend that you: * go into your browser history * search it for etherpad.wmflabs.org * go to each of those pads and copy-and-paste the content someplace, preferably on a public wiki, even if it's just in your userspace * replace the content of the Etherpad with a link to the wiki page you've moved the text to -Sumana Original Message Subject: [Wikitech-l] Etherpad Lite labs instance going down in two weeks - backup time Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:02:13 -0700 From: Mark Holmquist mtrac...@member.fsf.org Reply-To: Wikimedia developers wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org To: wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org, engineer...@lists.wikimedia.org, lab...@lists.wikimedia.org The day we have all equally hoped for and dreaded is come to pass: Etherpad Lite has now replaced Etherpad Classic in production, and the labs instance is on its way out. This is my as-wide-as-possible email warning to say that everything on the labs instance, as really should have been expected, is going to be gone soon. Not immediately - we intend to give you two weeks to get your important data off the instance and onto the new one at https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/ - but you should _absolutely_ be moving things as soon as possible. We will also keep a data dump around, in case anything else needs to get pulled out of the pads, but I would suggest not relying on that if you don't have to. And in the future: If a URL has wmflabs.org in it...don't put anything, ANYTHING, important there. The purpose of labs is to let us experiment with new technology without having to worry about reliability. Thanks so much for your help and understanding in the course of this migration. tl;dr: http://etherpad.wmflabs.org is going down in 2 weeks, get yer stuff off it. -- Mark Holmquist Software Engineer, Multimedia Wikimedia Foundation mtrac...@member.fsf.org https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:MHolmquist ___ Wikitech-l mailing list wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Etherpad Lite labs instance going down in two weeks - backup time
And just as a reminder: etherpad.wikimedia.org is not a production-level service, and therefore any data within an etherpad should be considered both public and able to disappear at any time. This is one reason I recommend that people use Etherpads for short-term defined collaboration sessions, and frequently do backups, and always archive documents to a wiki after a session ends. -- Sumana Harihareswara Engineering Community Manager Wikimedia Foundation On 08/23/2013 04:16 PM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote: Thanks to Mark Holmquist for maintaining http://etherpad.wmflabs.org for the past long while. It is going down in 2 weeks, so please retrieve your text. I recommend that you: * go into your browser history * search it for etherpad.wmflabs.org * go to each of those pads and copy-and-paste the content someplace, preferably on a public wiki, even if it's just in your userspace * replace the content of the Etherpad with a link to the wiki page you've moved the text to -Sumana Original Message Subject: [Wikitech-l] Etherpad Lite labs instance going down in two weeks - backup time Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:02:13 -0700 From: Mark Holmquist mtrac...@member.fsf.org Reply-To: Wikimedia developers wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org To: wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org, engineer...@lists.wikimedia.org, lab...@lists.wikimedia.org The day we have all equally hoped for and dreaded is come to pass: Etherpad Lite has now replaced Etherpad Classic in production, and the labs instance is on its way out. This is my as-wide-as-possible email warning to say that everything on the labs instance, as really should have been expected, is going to be gone soon. Not immediately - we intend to give you two weeks to get your important data off the instance and onto the new one at https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/ - but you should _absolutely_ be moving things as soon as possible. We will also keep a data dump around, in case anything else needs to get pulled out of the pads, but I would suggest not relying on that if you don't have to. And in the future: If a URL has wmflabs.org in it...don't put anything, ANYTHING, important there. The purpose of labs is to let us experiment with new technology without having to worry about reliability. Thanks so much for your help and understanding in the course of this migration. tl;dr: http://etherpad.wmflabs.org is going down in 2 weeks, get yer stuff off it. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
