[Wikimedia-l] Language Engineering bug triage session for RTL language bugs - Aug 28th 2013, Wednesday 1700 UTC/1000PDT

2013-08-23 Thread Runa Bhattacharjee
Hello,

The Wikimedia Language Engineering team will be hosting a bug triage
session on Wednesday, August 28th 2013 at 17:00 UTC (10:00 PDT) for
some of the bugs that exist in languages written from Right-to-Left
(RTL).  During this 1 hour session we will be using the etherpad
linked below to collaborate. We have already listed some bugs, but
please feel free to add more bugs (or file new ones!), and comments
about what you’d like to see addressed during the session. You can
send questions directly to me on email or IRC (nick: arrbee). Please
see below for the event details.


Thank you.

regards
Runa

=== Event Details ===

# What: Bug triage session for RTL language bugs

# Date: August 28, 2013 (Wednesday)

# Time: 1700-1800 UTC, 1000-1100 PDT (Timezone conversion:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20130828T1700
)

# IRC Channel: #mediawiki-i18n (Freenode)

# Etherpad: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/BugTriage-i18n-2013-08

Questions can be sent to: runa at wikimedia dot org



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Questions for the Board post-Wikimania

2013-08-23 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)

phoebe ayers, 17/08/2013 17:49:

P.s.: Generic questions to the board on this list are usually
ignored/missed, unless [sometimes] when they are in reply to
something posted on behalf of the board; in theory I guess the place
for such public questions would be
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/BN which offers some permanency, but
has never been really used yet.


Well, threads like this are fine; this came out of the Wikimania
questions, as Steven noted. We can certainly try to revive the board
noticeboard too!


As a way to revive it, any trustee can pick an unanswered question from 
the Wikimania wiki page and answer it there without polluting their 
email. ;)


Nemo

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[Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-23 Thread Leinonen Teemu
Hi, 

Have you noticed the new internet.org initiative by Facebook, Samsung, Nokia, 
Qualcomm, Ericsson and MediaTek? 

Internet.org is a global partnership between technology leaders, nonprofits, 
local communities and experts who are working together to bring the internet to 
the two thirds of the world’s population that doesn’t have it.[1, 2] 

Would it make sense for the WMF's Wikipedia Zero program to collaborate with 
this? 

Any comments?

Best regards, 

- Teemu 

[1] http://www.internet.org
[2] 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/21/technology/facebook-leads-an-effort-to-lower-barriers-to-internet-access.html



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia

2013-08-23 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Using a rather simple pair like Afrikaans - Dutch or a heavily researched
one like English - Spanish would be giving us a wrong impression of how
this will scale. We should at least add a few random pairs like Yoruba -
Gujarati or Kazakh - Lombard. Most of our 67,000 language pairs that we
will have to cover will fall in the latter group, not in the first two.


2013/8/23 David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com

 On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote:

 
   As with so many things, it will be hard to assess cost/benefits without
   making some effort. A safe bet could be to try with an existing pair or
   develop a pair with an estimated high demand.
 
  Is there a pair where some work has already been done?
 

 For Apertium there are quite a few already done:
 http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Main_Page

 Regarding new language pairs, no idea if the priorities for Wikipedia would
 be the same as the priorities the Apertium community has.
 It might be worth considering which languages to prioritize and how to
 measure success or lack thereof.

 Cheers,
 Micru
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-23 Thread Emmanuel Engelhart
I'm maybe too pessimistic, but I would be really surprised if this
project, at any time, really helps to provide an access (neutral) to the
Internet.

More probable: They will try to give a free/cheap access to a set of
their online services and so one do the same like AOL or MSN have tried
to do 15 years ago.

... or like we do with Wikipedia zero... but, to the contrary to this
alliance, Wikimedia has never claimed that they wanted to give access to
the Internet.

So, IMO, this whole story about internet.org stinks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oFXCXQpJXI

Emmanuel

Le 23/08/2013 10:25, Leinonen Teemu a écrit :
 Hi, 
 
 Have you noticed the new internet.org initiative by Facebook, Samsung, Nokia, 
 Qualcomm, Ericsson and MediaTek? 
 
 Internet.org is a global partnership between technology leaders, nonprofits, 
 local communities and experts who are working together to bring the internet 
 to the two thirds of the world’s population that doesn’t have it.[1, 2] 
 
 Would it make sense for the WMF's Wikipedia Zero program to collaborate with 
 this? 
 
 Any comments?
 
 Best regards, 
 
   - Teemu 
 
 [1] http://www.internet.org
 [2] 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/21/technology/facebook-leads-an-effort-to-lower-barriers-to-internet-access.html

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-23 Thread Kul Wadhwa
Emmanuel,

I have my concerns as well so we're watching how things unfold for now.
Perhaps to add to Teemu's question (If I could be so bold) how would
internet.org need to evolve to make it worth our time and effort to be
involved?

--Kul


On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Emmanuel Engelhart kel...@kiwix.orgwrote:

 I'm maybe too pessimistic, but I would be really surprised if this
 project, at any time, really helps to provide an access (neutral) to the
 Internet.

 More probable: They will try to give a free/cheap access to a set of
 their online services and so one do the same like AOL or MSN have tried
 to do 15 years ago.

 ... or like we do with Wikipedia zero... but, to the contrary to this
 alliance, Wikimedia has never claimed that they wanted to give access to
 the Internet.

 So, IMO, this whole story about internet.org stinks.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oFXCXQpJXI

 Emmanuel

 Le 23/08/2013 10:25, Leinonen Teemu a écrit :
  Hi,
 
  Have you noticed the new internet.org initiative by Facebook, Samsung,
 Nokia, Qualcomm, Ericsson and MediaTek?
 
  Internet.org is a global partnership between technology leaders,
 nonprofits, local communities and experts who are working together to bring
 the internet to the two thirds of the world’s population that doesn’t have
 it.[1, 2]
 
  Would it make sense for the WMF's Wikipedia Zero program to collaborate
 with this?
 
  Any comments?
 
  Best regards,
 
- Teemu
 
  [1] http://www.internet.org
  [2]
 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/21/technology/facebook-leads-an-effort-to-lower-barriers-to-internet-access.html

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,

All we need to do is what we already do: make our content available for
free. When we are really in their face that we bring neutral information to
everyone, everywhere how and why will they deny us?

Thanks,
  GerardM


On 23 August 2013 10:59, Kul Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Emmanuel,

 I have my concerns as well so we're watching how things unfold for now.
 Perhaps to add to Teemu's question (If I could be so bold) how would
 internet.org need to evolve to make it worth our time and effort to be
 involved?

 --Kul


 On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Emmanuel Engelhart kel...@kiwix.org
 wrote:

  I'm maybe too pessimistic, but I would be really surprised if this
  project, at any time, really helps to provide an access (neutral) to the
  Internet.
 
  More probable: They will try to give a free/cheap access to a set of
  their online services and so one do the same like AOL or MSN have tried
  to do 15 years ago.
 
  ... or like we do with Wikipedia zero... but, to the contrary to this
  alliance, Wikimedia has never claimed that they wanted to give access to
  the Internet.
 
  So, IMO, this whole story about internet.org stinks.
 
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oFXCXQpJXI
 
  Emmanuel
 
  Le 23/08/2013 10:25, Leinonen Teemu a écrit :
   Hi,
  
   Have you noticed the new internet.org initiative by Facebook, Samsung,
  Nokia, Qualcomm, Ericsson and MediaTek?
  
   Internet.org is a global partnership between technology leaders,
  nonprofits, local communities and experts who are working together to
 bring
  the internet to the two thirds of the world’s population that doesn’t
 have
  it.[1, 2]
  
   Would it make sense for the WMF's Wikipedia Zero program to collaborate
  with this?
  
   Any comments?
  
   Best regards,
  
 - Teemu
  
   [1] http://www.internet.org
   [2]
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/21/technology/facebook-leads-an-effort-to-lower-barriers-to-internet-access.html
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-23 Thread Jens Best
I would suggest to keep distance to this wannabe-NGO which more or less
only exists to serve the interests of commercial players which mostly do *
not* stand for a free and open web.

internet.org is nothing what will serve the ideas and ideals of an internet
as it is represented also by Wikimedia. Don't believe the hype.

Best regards

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2013/8/23 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com

 Hoi,

 All we need to do is what we already do: make our content available for
 free. When we are really in their face that we bring neutral information to
 everyone, everywhere how and why will they deny us?

 Thanks,
   GerardM


 On 23 August 2013 10:59, Kul Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.org wrote:

  Emmanuel,
 
  I have my concerns as well so we're watching how things unfold for now.
  Perhaps to add to Teemu's question (If I could be so bold) how would
  internet.org need to evolve to make it worth our time and effort to be
  involved?
 
  --Kul
 
 
  On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Emmanuel Engelhart kel...@kiwix.org
  wrote:
 
   I'm maybe too pessimistic, but I would be really surprised if this
   project, at any time, really helps to provide an access (neutral) to
 the
   Internet.
  
   More probable: They will try to give a free/cheap access to a set of
   their online services and so one do the same like AOL or MSN have tried
   to do 15 years ago.
  
   ... or like we do with Wikipedia zero... but, to the contrary to this
   alliance, Wikimedia has never claimed that they wanted to give access
 to
   the Internet.
  
   So, IMO, this whole story about internet.org stinks.
  
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oFXCXQpJXI
  
   Emmanuel
  
   Le 23/08/2013 10:25, Leinonen Teemu a écrit :
Hi,
   
Have you noticed the new internet.org initiative by Facebook,
 Samsung,
   Nokia, Qualcomm, Ericsson and MediaTek?
   
Internet.org is a global partnership between technology leaders,
   nonprofits, local communities and experts who are working together to
  bring
   the internet to the two thirds of the world’s population that doesn’t
  have
   it.[1, 2]
   
Would it make sense for the WMF's Wikipedia Zero program to
 collaborate
   with this?
   
Any comments?
   
Best regards,
   
  - Teemu
   
[1] http://www.internet.org
[2]
  
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/21/technology/facebook-leads-an-effort-to-lower-barriers-to-internet-access.html
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-23 Thread David Gerard
On 23 August 2013 10:28, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de wrote:

 I would suggest to keep distance to this wannabe-NGO which more or less
 only exists to serve the interests of commercial players which mostly do *
 not* stand for a free and open web.
 internet.org is nothing what will serve the ideas and ideals of an internet
 as it is represented also by Wikimedia. Don't believe the hype.


I concur. Dig this:
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/13/08/what-internetorgs-stirring-video-cut-from-the-kennedy-speech-it-quotes/278896/

Whatever these people are doing doesn't actually appear to be much to
do with what we're doing.


- d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-23 Thread Emmanuel Engelhart
Le 23/08/2013 10:59, Kul Wadhwa a écrit :
 I have my concerns as well so we're watching how things unfold for now.
 Perhaps to add to Teemu's question (If I could be so bold) how would
 internet.org need to evolve to make it worth our time and effort to be
 involved?

If what I fear becomes real, then I would be sad that our movement joins
such a dishonest project.

If they want to give access to a subset of Internet services and adapt
their communication (honesty about the product), then we face a dilemma.
A dilemna between our wish to give access to our content (tactical move)
and the one of having a free, neutral and un-clustered Internet
(strategical view)... Big discussions in view, but we already have done
it with Wikipedia zero and I know the WMF tends to be pragmatic in such
situations ;)

If they really want to help to give a neutral access to internet... then
this is really a dream we should be part of!

But, this is all about speculations...

I just wanted to explain why this launch doesn't sound well to my hears.
But I know nothing about their real intentions and concrete projects.
That's why, it's IMO urgent to wait... and see in which direction they
will make the next moves.

Emmanuel
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-23 Thread Jens Best
Nothing good comes with people like Mark Zuckerberg or Peter Thiel, they
don't share our vision of a *really* free and open internet. So, actually,
Emmanuel, I couldn't care less which direction they gonna make their next
moves. It will all be a disguise of what they really attempt and with whom
they really cooperate.

It's time to realize that there isn't a shared vision of the web between
Silicon Valley and Wikimedia. Their words are empty. When they speak of
freedom, they speak of the freedom of money and control. Just because they
use the word internet they don't speak of the same thing we do.

Jens

2013/8/23 Emmanuel Engelhart kel...@kiwix.org

 Le 23/08/2013 10:59, Kul Wadhwa a écrit :
  I have my concerns as well so we're watching how things unfold for now.
  Perhaps to add to Teemu's question (If I could be so bold) how would
  internet.org need to evolve to make it worth our time and effort to be
  involved?

 If what I fear becomes real, then I would be sad that our movement joins
 such a dishonest project.

 If they want to give access to a subset of Internet services and adapt
 their communication (honesty about the product), then we face a dilemma.
 A dilemna between our wish to give access to our content (tactical move)
 and the one of having a free, neutral and un-clustered Internet
 (strategical view)... Big discussions in view, but we already have done
 it with Wikipedia zero and I know the WMF tends to be pragmatic in such
 situations ;)

 If they really want to help to give a neutral access to internet... then
 this is really a dream we should be part of!

 But, this is all about speculations...

 I just wanted to explain why this launch doesn't sound well to my hears.
 But I know nothing about their real intentions and concrete projects.
 That's why, it's IMO urgent to wait... and see in which direction they
 will make the next moves.

 Emmanuel
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
But when they provide the infrastructure that allows our content to be seen
by many more people, they do us a service.

In the end it is what we are about. Last thing I heard we were first of all
about getting the knowledge out there.
Thanks,
  GerardM


On 23 August 2013 12:14, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de wrote:

 Nothing good comes with people like Mark Zuckerberg or Peter Thiel, they
 don't share our vision of a *really* free and open internet. So, actually,
 Emmanuel, I couldn't care less which direction they gonna make their next
 moves. It will all be a disguise of what they really attempt and with whom
 they really cooperate.

 It's time to realize that there isn't a shared vision of the web between
 Silicon Valley and Wikimedia. Their words are empty. When they speak of
 freedom, they speak of the freedom of money and control. Just because they
 use the word internet they don't speak of the same thing we do.

 Jens

 2013/8/23 Emmanuel Engelhart kel...@kiwix.org

  Le 23/08/2013 10:59, Kul Wadhwa a écrit :
   I have my concerns as well so we're watching how things unfold for now.
   Perhaps to add to Teemu's question (If I could be so bold) how would
   internet.org need to evolve to make it worth our time and effort to be
   involved?
 
  If what I fear becomes real, then I would be sad that our movement joins
  such a dishonest project.
 
  If they want to give access to a subset of Internet services and adapt
  their communication (honesty about the product), then we face a dilemma.
  A dilemna between our wish to give access to our content (tactical move)
  and the one of having a free, neutral and un-clustered Internet
  (strategical view)... Big discussions in view, but we already have done
  it with Wikipedia zero and I know the WMF tends to be pragmatic in such
  situations ;)
 
  If they really want to help to give a neutral access to internet... then
  this is really a dream we should be part of!
 
  But, this is all about speculations...
 
  I just wanted to explain why this launch doesn't sound well to my hears.
  But I know nothing about their real intentions and concrete projects.
  That's why, it's IMO urgent to wait... and see in which direction they
  will make the next moves.
 
  Emmanuel
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-23 Thread Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada
Looks like NSA has bought some new hard drives and needs moar data.


2013/8/23 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com

 Hoi,
 But when they provide the infrastructure that allows our content to be seen
 by many more people, they do us a service.

 In the end it is what we are about. Last thing I heard we were first of all
 about getting the knowledge out there.
 Thanks,
   GerardM


 On 23 August 2013 12:14, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de wrote:

  Nothing good comes with people like Mark Zuckerberg or Peter Thiel, they
  don't share our vision of a *really* free and open internet. So,
 actually,
  Emmanuel, I couldn't care less which direction they gonna make their next
  moves. It will all be a disguise of what they really attempt and with
 whom
  they really cooperate.
 
  It's time to realize that there isn't a shared vision of the web between
  Silicon Valley and Wikimedia. Their words are empty. When they speak of
  freedom, they speak of the freedom of money and control. Just because
 they
  use the word internet they don't speak of the same thing we do.
 
  Jens
 
  2013/8/23 Emmanuel Engelhart kel...@kiwix.org
 
   Le 23/08/2013 10:59, Kul Wadhwa a écrit :
I have my concerns as well so we're watching how things unfold for
 now.
Perhaps to add to Teemu's question (If I could be so bold) how would
internet.org need to evolve to make it worth our time and effort to
 be
involved?
  
   If what I fear becomes real, then I would be sad that our movement
 joins
   such a dishonest project.
  
   If they want to give access to a subset of Internet services and adapt
   their communication (honesty about the product), then we face a
 dilemma.
   A dilemna between our wish to give access to our content (tactical
 move)
   and the one of having a free, neutral and un-clustered Internet
   (strategical view)... Big discussions in view, but we already have done
   it with Wikipedia zero and I know the WMF tends to be pragmatic in such
   situations ;)
  
   If they really want to help to give a neutral access to internet...
 then
   this is really a dream we should be part of!
  
   But, this is all about speculations...
  
   I just wanted to explain why this launch doesn't sound well to my
 hears.
   But I know nothing about their real intentions and concrete projects.
   That's why, it's IMO urgent to wait... and see in which direction they
   will make the next moves.
  
   Emmanuel
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia

2013-08-23 Thread David Cuenca
Something to take into account should be the efficiency a language pair can
have. For instance, how many articles there are available, how easy is to
translate articles, how many bilingual speakers there are for a given pair,
and perhaps also, how much it can help to harmonize relationships between
speakers of both languages.

There seems to be much more demand for languages that are geographically
closer. While speakers of Kazakh might have little interest in reading the
Lombard or Gujarati wikipedias, they might be more inclined to visit the
Tatar wikipedia, which by the way is closely related and much easier to
translate.

So no, I don't think we should base our decisions on the theoretical number
of pairs that can exist, but on the ones that offer the best efficiency.

Cheers,
Micru


On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 4:45 AM, Denny Vrandečić 
denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote:

 Using a rather simple pair like Afrikaans - Dutch or a heavily researched
 one like English - Spanish would be giving us a wrong impression of how
 this will scale. We should at least add a few random pairs like Yoruba -
 Gujarati or Kazakh - Lombard. Most of our 67,000 language pairs that we
 will have to cover will fall in the latter group, not in the first two.


 2013/8/23 David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com

  On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
As with so many things, it will be hard to assess cost/benefits
 without
making some effort. A safe bet could be to try with an existing pair
 or
develop a pair with an estimated high demand.
  
   Is there a pair where some work has already been done?
  
 
  For Apertium there are quite a few already done:
  http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Main_Page
 
  Regarding new language pairs, no idea if the priorities for Wikipedia
 would
  be the same as the priorities the Apertium community has.
  It might be worth considering which languages to prioritize and how to
  measure success or lack thereof.
 
  Cheers,
  Micru
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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Etherpad Lite labs instance going down in two weeks - backup time

2013-08-23 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
Thanks to Mark Holmquist for maintaining http://etherpad.wmflabs.org for
the past long while. It is going down in 2 weeks, so please retrieve
your text.

I recommend that you:

* go into your browser history
* search it for etherpad.wmflabs.org
* go to each of those pads and copy-and-paste the content someplace,
preferably on a public wiki, even if it's just in your userspace
* replace the content of the Etherpad with a link to the wiki page
you've moved the text to

-Sumana


 Original Message 
Subject: [Wikitech-l] Etherpad Lite labs instance going down in two
weeks - backup time
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:02:13 -0700
From: Mark Holmquist mtrac...@member.fsf.org
Reply-To: Wikimedia developers wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org
To: wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org, engineer...@lists.wikimedia.org,
lab...@lists.wikimedia.org

The day we have all equally hoped for and dreaded is come to pass: Etherpad
Lite has now replaced Etherpad Classic in production, and the labs
instance
is on its way out.

This is my as-wide-as-possible email warning to say that everything on the
labs instance, as really should have been expected, is going to be gone
soon.
Not immediately - we intend to give you two weeks to get your important data
off the instance and onto the new one at https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/ -
but you should _absolutely_ be moving things as soon as possible. We will
also keep a data dump around, in case anything else needs to get pulled out
of the pads, but I would suggest not relying on that if you don't have to.

And in the future: If a URL has wmflabs.org in it...don't put anything,
ANYTHING, important there. The purpose of labs is to let us experiment with
new technology without having to worry about reliability.

Thanks so much for your help and understanding in the course of this
migration.

tl;dr: http://etherpad.wmflabs.org is going down in 2 weeks, get yer
stuff off it.

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Software Engineer, Multimedia
Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Etherpad Lite labs instance going down in two weeks - backup time

2013-08-23 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
And just as a reminder: etherpad.wikimedia.org is not a production-level
service, and therefore any data within an etherpad
should be considered both public and able to disappear at any time.
This is one reason I recommend that people use Etherpads for short-term
defined collaboration sessions, and frequently do backups, and always
archive documents to a wiki after a session ends.

-- 
Sumana Harihareswara
Engineering Community Manager
Wikimedia Foundation

On 08/23/2013 04:16 PM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote:
 Thanks to Mark Holmquist for maintaining http://etherpad.wmflabs.org for
 the past long while. It is going down in 2 weeks, so please retrieve
 your text.
 
 I recommend that you:
 
 * go into your browser history
 * search it for etherpad.wmflabs.org
 * go to each of those pads and copy-and-paste the content someplace,
 preferably on a public wiki, even if it's just in your userspace
 * replace the content of the Etherpad with a link to the wiki page
 you've moved the text to
 
 -Sumana
 
 
  Original Message 
 Subject: [Wikitech-l] Etherpad Lite labs instance going down in two
 weeks - backup time
 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:02:13 -0700
 From: Mark Holmquist mtrac...@member.fsf.org
 Reply-To: Wikimedia developers wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org
 To: wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org, engineer...@lists.wikimedia.org,
 lab...@lists.wikimedia.org
 
 The day we have all equally hoped for and dreaded is come to pass: Etherpad
 Lite has now replaced Etherpad Classic in production, and the labs
 instance
 is on its way out.
 
 This is my as-wide-as-possible email warning to say that everything on the
 labs instance, as really should have been expected, is going to be gone
 soon.
 Not immediately - we intend to give you two weeks to get your important data
 off the instance and onto the new one at https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/ -
 but you should _absolutely_ be moving things as soon as possible. We will
 also keep a data dump around, in case anything else needs to get pulled out
 of the pads, but I would suggest not relying on that if you don't have to.
 
 And in the future: If a URL has wmflabs.org in it...don't put anything,
 ANYTHING, important there. The purpose of labs is to let us experiment with
 new technology without having to worry about reliability.
 
 Thanks so much for your help and understanding in the course of this
 migration.
 
 tl;dr: http://etherpad.wmflabs.org is going down in 2 weeks, get yer
 stuff off it.
 


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