Re: [Wikimedia-l] The failure of Google, looking for open source alternatives

2013-08-26 Thread Romaine Wiki
The new Google Maps simplified navigation and removed many useful features... Layers like Wikipedia, weather, webcams, photos, videos, previous searches are no longer available, while transit, traffic and bicycling can be found in the getting around box.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The failure of Google, looking for open source alternatives

2013-08-26 Thread Cristian Consonni
2013/8/25 Strainu strain...@gmail.com: 2013/8/25 Romaine Wiki romaine_w...@yahoo.com: Unfortunately I couldn't find any layer for Wikipedia on http://openstreetmap.org Perhaps the WMF should provide that? Kolossos has done a tremendous job with his work on the subject. Moving from the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Library

2013-08-26 Thread James Alexander
For everyones ease :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:The_Wikipedia_Library/Newsletter/Recipients James Alexander Legal and Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Lionel Allorge lionel.allo...@lunerouge.org wrote: Hi, Sign

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The failure of Google, looking for open source alternatives

2013-08-26 Thread Peter Gervai
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/8/25 Strainu strain...@gmail.com: 2013/8/25 Romaine Wiki romaine_w...@yahoo.com: Unfortunately I couldn't find any layer for Wikipedia on http://openstreetmap.org http://osm.org/ is an example renderer.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile image upload

2013-08-26 Thread Jon Robson
James Thanks for sharing that and great to see the uploader is from Kerala India! In terms of mobile editing arriving... It's here!: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/07/25/edit-wikipedia-on-the-go/ Jon On 25 Aug 2013 05:14, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: Mobile image upload is a huge plus

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-26 Thread Denny Vrandečić
There is a crucial difference: Wikipedia Zero is not a general way to provide access to the Internet for free, it provides access to parts of Wikipedia for free through partnering carriers. Wikipedia Zero is not in violation of net neutrality in the first place, as Wikipedia Zero is not an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-26 Thread JP Béland
And if it is illegal or borderline according to, say, netherlands, swiss, or german law, is it appropriate to do it in countries where the law is less developed? As said Kevin, it is impossible to respect the law of all countries in every country (Wikipedia already fails at that in its current

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-26 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Aug 26, 2013 6:30 PM, JP Béland lebo.bel...@gmail.com wrote: And if it is illegal or borderline according to, say, netherlands, swiss, or german law, is it appropriate to do it in countries where the law is less developed? As said Kevin, it is impossible to respect the law of all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-26 Thread Katie Chan
On 26/08/2013 18:14, Martijn Hoekstra wrote: I do think there is some merit in the net neutrality argument, at least sufficiently so to be open to discussion on whether or not offering Wikipedia Zero is a good thing. It comes down to the question if we believe that having a walled garden

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Library

2013-08-26 Thread Jake Orlowitz
I'm sensitive to concerns about the Library's location. It is partly a legacy issue: The Wikipedia Library partnerships started on English Wikipedia, and that's where the Credo, HighBeam, Questia, JSTOR, and Cochrane account donations were coordinated. This made some sense at the time because

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-26 Thread JP Béland
2013/8/26, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com: On Aug 26, 2013 6:30 PM, JP Béland lebo.bel...@gmail.com wrote: And if it is illegal or borderline according to, say, netherlands, swiss, or german law, is it appropriate to do it in countries where the law is less developed? As said

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-26 Thread George William Herbert
On Aug 26, 2013, at 10:42 AM, JP Béland lebo.bel...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/8/26, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com: On Aug 26, 2013 6:30 PM, JP Béland lebo.bel...@gmail.com wrote: And if it is illegal or borderline according to, say, netherlands, swiss, or german law, is it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The failure of Google, looking for open source alternatives

2013-08-26 Thread Cristian Consonni
2013/8/26 Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org: Thanks to everyone who's been offering ideas and thoughts in this thread! Could we move to maps-l (cc'd)? https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/maps-l Thank you for reminding me of a mailing list I should have subscribed to a long

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, For your information ... an interview with Mr Zuggerberg... In my opinion there is an opportunity as he is looking for dense information.. we are really good at that :) Thanks, Gerard http://www.wired.com/business/2013/08/mark-zuckerberg-internet-org/ On 23 August 2013 14:38, Emilio

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-26 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hear, hear. Ziko 2013/8/23 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com Hoi, But when they provide the infrastructure that allows our content to be seen by many more people, they do us a service. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-26 Thread George Herbert
It was not rhetorical, but you missed the point. Net neutrality is an issue because service providers (can / may / often do) become a local monopoly of sorts. Monopilies are not necessarily bad (how many water and natural gas line providers can you choose from? how many road networks?) but are