Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-28 Thread Todd Allen
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:12 AM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.comwrote: Am 26.08.2013 18:14 schrieb Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com: Dutch telecommunication law, article 7.4a (the net neutrality article), paragraph 3: Aanbieders van internettoegangsdiensten stellen de hoogte

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-28 Thread Andre Engels
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:12 AM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.comwrote: Am 26.08.2013 18:14 schrieb Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com: Dutch telecommunication law, article 7.4a (the net neutrality article), paragraph 3: Aanbieders van internettoegangsdiensten stellen de hoogte

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-28 Thread Martin Rulsch
Wikipedia, or at least portions of it, is illegal under many countries' laws. Any article showing a swastika, even if it's a neutral article about Nazi Germany or the like, is illegal under German law. Probably almost all of Wikipedia is illegal under North Korean law. It cannot reasonably

Re: [Wikimedia-l] State of the Map 2013 - OSM conference in Birmingham, England.

2013-08-28 Thread Richard Symonds
Andy, I *may* be coming - I haven't decided yet... although I know I have to make up my mind quite soon! Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered

Re: [Wikimedia-l] State of the Map 2013 - OSM conference in Birmingham, England.

2013-08-28 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 28 August 2013 11:07, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I *may* be coming - I haven't decided yet... although I know I have to make up my mind quite soon! It would be lovely to see you; would you like to bring (or otherwise post me) 200 WMUK flyers? (Most attendees will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] State of the Map 2013 - OSM conference in Birmingham, England.

2013-08-28 Thread Richard Symonds
I will get some in the post to you today Andy. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street,

[Wikimedia-l] Has the underlying level of edits risen or fallen since the Edit Filters came in in 2009?

2013-08-28 Thread WereSpielChequers
Has anyone come up with a formulae for the ratio between vandalism prevented by the edit filters and lost edits on Wiki? I'm trying to work out whether the true editing level on the English Wikipedia and others which use the edit Filters has risen or fallen since the Edit Filters were introduced

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Has the underlying level of edits risen or fallen since the Edit Filters came in in 2009?

2013-08-28 Thread
On 28/08/2013, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone come up with a formulae for the ratio between vandalism prevented by the edit filters and lost edits on Wiki? ... Regards Hi WSC, Could you link to where there is a definition of what the edit filters are and what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Has the underlying level of edits risen or fallen since the Edit Filters came in in 2009?

2013-08-28 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
The question can't really be answered without knowing what you want to achieve; I'll start from the end. WereSpielChequers, 28/08/2013 14:13: This is of more than academic interest, if we simply ignore this effect and make decisions based on the remaining raw edits after the edit filter, then

Re: [Wikimedia-l] State of the Map 2013 - OSM conference in Birmingham, England.

2013-08-28 Thread Andy Mabbett
300, please, if not too late - just seen the latest booking stats ;-) -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk On Aug 28, 2013 12:29 PM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I will get some in the post to you today Andy. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK

[Wikimedia-l] [Language Engineering] Reminder: Bug triage for RTL bugs today August 28, 2013 at 1700 UTC/1000 PDT

2013-08-28 Thread Runa Bhattacharjee
Hello, This is a reminder that the Language Engineering team will be hosting an hour long bug triage for R-T-L bugs later today, i.e. August 28, 2013 at 1700 UTC/1000 PDT on the IRC channel #mediawiki-i18n (Freenode). etherpad link: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/BugTriage-i18n-2013-08 Thanks

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Has the underlying level of edits risen or fallen since the Edit Filters came in in 2009?

2013-08-28 Thread WereSpielChequers
Thanks Nemo, Just because the edit filter is enabled by default doesn't mean that every wiki has people optimising it to find vandalism in their language. I'm trying to work out what the underlying real level of editing has been since 2009. The problem with measuring either unreverted edits or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Has the underlying level of edits risen or fallen since the Edit Filters came in in 2009?

2013-08-28 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
WereSpielChequers, 28/08/2013 17:14: Just because the edit filter is enabled by default doesn't mean that every wiki has people optimising it to find vandalism in their language. This is what the bugzilla link is about. :) I'm trying to work out what the underlying real level of editing has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Has the underlying level of edits risen or fallen since the Edit Filters came in in 2009?

2013-08-28 Thread WereSpielChequers
Hi Fae, I hadn't factored in the spam filter,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spam_blacklist that's a separate process that just focusses on sites which we don't want more links to - presumably because people have tried spamlinking them on wikipedia. The edit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Has the underlying level of edits risen or fallen since the Edit Filters came in in 2009?

2013-08-28 Thread Oliver Keyes
I can't speak for edit volume, but in my spare time I did some research around blocks and found that the proportionate decline in bad-faith related blocks since 2009 is (quite possibly) edit-filter linked.[1] So, whether there's a causal link between the edit decrease and the edit filters or not,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Has the underlying level of edits risen or fallen since the Edit Filters came in in 2009?

2013-08-28 Thread WereSpielChequers
Hi Nemo, Good questions: I'm trying to work out what the underlying real level of editing has been since 2009, not because I think it a good metric, I'm aware that edit count is only a good measure of edit count. But because others are getting concerned about a drop in edit count, and I'd like

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero in Google search result

2013-08-28 Thread Adam Baso
(cross-posted on mobile-l) Update: I have been checking on the indexed link count over the last couple of months, and it has been roughly constant. Upon another check in the past week, it looked like it was time to go ahead with the robots.txt update. Just yesterday, the start of a robots.txt