Re: [Wikimedia-l] : WMF resolution on neutral point of view
I have posted 4 sentences, kind of a draft of a draft of a draft. It is very overwhelming for me to draft text with near-legal precision on my own. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'd say be bold and start drafting. Many people respond to a flawed (or at least improvable) text more readily than they do to an open invitation to contribute. I, for one, share your perception that NPOV is a problem on some (perhaps most) Wikipedias, and think it'd be a good idea to bolster NPOV with a Board resolution. Not because it would instantly solve the problem, of course, but I see its value in supporting those editors who'd fight to uphold NPOV. A. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 2:26 PM, とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com wrote: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legal_and_Community_Advocacy#Draft_of_text_for_a_binding_Neutral_Point_of_View_WMF_policy I started above text to draft a text for the board to review. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 5:56 PM, とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com wrote: A talk page on meta wont be noticed by much which is why perhaps this is the better location for the discussion. It is not like I am proposing a meta policy. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: I am not disputing how settled it is but I don't think meta sufficiently achieves expressing how settled this core value really is. As you stated it would be more of a restatement and re-emphasis of what already is a core value. -- 㠨㠂る白㠄猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) Yes, good idea, needs to be done. Please notify the board of directors... Fred That was snippy... Editing a major meta policy page must be done with considerable caution, starting by making suggestions on its talk page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Neutral_point_of_view There is some, rather limited, discussion in section 3. Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l , mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] : WMF resolution on neutral point of view
After running a task force for BLP in two phases over six months back in '09-'10, everything pointed toward something MZMcBride wrote on meta. It covers this. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/BLP https://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force/Living_People/Drafting_pages/Living_People_Policy It just needs to be official. On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 2:36 AM, とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com wrote: I have posted 4 sentences, kind of a draft of a draft of a draft. It is very overwhelming for me to draft text with near-legal precision on my own. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'd say be bold and start drafting. Many people respond to a flawed (or at least improvable) text more readily than they do to an open invitation to contribute. I, for one, share your perception that NPOV is a problem on some (perhaps most) Wikipedias, and think it'd be a good idea to bolster NPOV with a Board resolution. Not because it would instantly solve the problem, of course, but I see its value in supporting those editors who'd fight to uphold NPOV. A. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 2:26 PM, とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com wrote: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legal_and_Community_Advocacy#Draft_of_text_for_a_binding_Neutral_Point_of_View_WMF_policy I started above text to draft a text for the board to review. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 5:56 PM, とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com wrote: A talk page on meta wont be noticed by much which is why perhaps this is the better location for the discussion. It is not like I am proposing a meta policy. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: I am not disputing how settled it is but I don't think meta sufficiently achieves expressing how settled this core value really is. As you stated it would be more of a restatement and re-emphasis of what already is a core value. -- 㠨㠂る白㠄猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) Yes, good idea, needs to be done. Please notify the board of directors... Fred That was snippy... Editing a major meta policy page must be done with considerable caution, starting by making suggestions on its talk page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Neutral_point_of_view There is some, rather limited, discussion in section 3. Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l , mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org ?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- ~Keegan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] : WMF resolution on neutral point of view
I have posted 4 sentences, kind of a draft of a draft of a draft. It is very overwhelming for me to draft text with near-legal precision on my own. -- ã¨ããç½ãç« (To Aru Shiroi Neko) I've added a bit. I'll do some copyediting later. Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] It's time to reclaim the community logo
For those who missed them, the files were published at the announced URL: http://oami.europa.eu/CTMOnline/RequestManager/en_Detail_NoReg?deno=idappli=1152038transition=ResultsDetailed I'm attaching them for your convenience as published on the website. Nemo John Vandenberg, 26/09/2013 16:23: Hi, Further to our announcement on September 21, the opposition has been formally filed before the European Union’s Office of Harmonization for the Internal Market (OHIM) on September 25. You can read the opposition filing in the documents section of the EU trademark application[1]. Additionally, an opposition observation has been filed but it is not yet available to the public at the URL mentioned above; our limited understanding is that it will be published there in the coming days. We’ll keep everyone informed on this aspect. So what is next? The OHIM will now review the Notice of Opposition to determine that the opposition is admissible. This takes a few weeks. If the notice of opposition is found to be admissible, the 'cooling-off period' commences.[2] The 'cooling-off period' allows the parties can either negotiate an agreement, and either party may withdraw their claim to the mark without incurring additional costs. This period lasts between two months and two years. It is important that everyone understands that there is no need to act hastily. If the WMF and community need time to find the right solution, we will have two years. The WMF set the timetable by applying for this trademark, and they have not withdrawn that application or responded appropriately to community calls for this to be re-evaluated. The WMF was informed in March that we viewed the trademark registration as unacceptable. Even after our announcement on September 21, the WMF has not addressed the heart of the issue; they have chosen to focus the community attention on a new approach, a collective trademark, rather than consider the erosion of the Commons by their trademarking of a public domain logo against the intentions of the author of the logo. Contrary to the WMF’s claims on their ‘Request for consultation’[3], we have never said that the opposition needed to be filed on September 23. We are aware that we could have delayed the opposition until December. As the opposition process is able to proceed through the non-adversarial phase for two years, we believe it is appropriate that a properly focused formal process should commence now. During the first two months of the cooling-off period, we request that the WMF provides a brief to the community explaining why they believe they have a legal claim to the community logo, given that the board knew it was selected in order that the community did not need to request authorisation.[4] We also encourage the WMF to publish their research on collective trademarks, so that the community can make an informed decision about the utility of this approach. It is our understanding that, in the EU at least, the WMF will need to abandon their current trademark registration if they are to apply for a collective trademark. Regards, John Vandenberg == References == * [1] http://oami.europa.eu/CTMOnline/RequestManager/en_Detail_NoReg?deno=idappli=1152038transition=ResultsDetailed * [2] http://oami.europa.eu/ows/rw/pages/CTM/regProcess/opposition.en.do * [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Logo/Request_for_consultation#Notes * [4] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2008-September/045702.html ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Argentina report: September 2013
Dear Wikimedians, Here is the monthly report of Wikimedia Argentina for September 2013. You can read the full report (in Spanish and English) here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Argentina/Reportes/2013-09 Also, the full reports of past months are available at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Argentina/Reportes 1. Wiki Loves Monuments Argentina 2013 2. 2nd Photo Safari in Buenos Aires 3. Wiki Loves Monuments goes to Antarctica! 4. Iberoamerican Women: Successful editing contest 5. Open talk: Wikipedia in the classroom === Wiki Loves Monuments Argentina 2013 === For the second year in a row, we organized the local edition of Wiki Loves Monuments, the largest photo contest in the world. This time, we promoted two new prizes: aside from the first, second and third prize and the other 7 finalists, we will give a special award to the participant who portraits the largest number of monuments, and another special prize to the best photo in the City of Buenos Aires. This award is given in the context of a new agreement with the Ministry of Modernization of the Government of Buenos Aires. The entity also provided a list of over 200 statues and monuments that were now incorporated to the contest. Thanks to this, in 2013 the Obelisk of Buenos Aires, a classic to tourists and residents, were eligible to participate as well as other sites, like 3 de Febrero Park and Lezama Park, to count a few. By the end of the contest, Argentina had 145 participants that uploaded 4,104 photos. All of these photos are now part of the more than 370,000 uploaded images from more than 50 countries all over the world. The winners of the local edition will be published in a month, in the official web site. As a way to support the contest, Wikimedia Argentina published two videos: one announcing the contest and the other showing quickly how to participate in it. The videos, which were made with a neutral accent so they can be used in all Ibero America, were available on YouTube and Wikimedia Commons. === 2nd Photo Safari in Buenos Aires === On Saturday, September 28, at 2:30 pm, the second photo tour through Buenos Aires City started, few days before the end of Wiki Loves Monument 2013. This time, over 20 people joined the walk, in a tour that took us to the most stunning parks in the city. For three hours, we took pictures and talked about the monuments that appear in the most unexpected corners of the city, illustrating several of them for the first time with a freely-licensed photo. In this warm meeting was a perfect opportunity to strength bonds between community members and integrate new volunteers interested to participate in our projects. === Wiki Loves Monuments goes to Antarctica! === In order to expand the largest photo contest all over the world, Wikimedia Argentina decided to organize a special edition of Wiki Loves Monuments incorporating over 80 historical sites declared by the Antarctic Treaty . Replicating the spirit of international cooperation present in both the Antarctic Treaty and in the Wikimedia community, our chapter gathered volunteers from various countries to cooperate in the organization of the competition, leaving Wikimedia Argentina as coordinator. In addition , we contacted institutions related to the White continent to support this event, in particular , we had a very good acceptance by the Antarctic Treaty Secretariat, based in Buenos Aires, and they decided to support the event. The competition, which was always presented as a symbolic event, managed to get 22 participating images from 4 different contestants. The first Wikimedia activity conducted in Antarctica also helped to establish a relationship with institutions of interest to our projects as the Antarctic Treaty Secretariat or the Chilean Antarctic Institute (which will provide one of the judges of the event). This is important for the development of future projects to improve content related to our planet's southern tip. === Iberoamerican Women: Successful editing contest === The Iberoamerican Women editing contest took place for the second time this year, from March 8 to August 30, with excellent results: 27 contributors joined this time, and over 1,200 new articles were created. This surpassed by far the results of the first edition of this same contest, held in 2011, which brought over 500 new articles, when 24 participants joined the competition. The jury is formed by Cecilia Sagol, BA in Literature and coordinator of Educ.ar; Paula Carri, journalist for Página/12 newspaper and coordinator of the Platform for a free Internet without Discrimination, and at least 5 editors of Spanish Wikipedia. The names of the winners will be published in the weeks to come. === Open talk: Wikipedia in the classroom === As part of Wikimedia Argentina's activities related to education, the open talk Wikipedia in the classroom seeks to inspire teachers of different levels in the use of the free encyclopedia in different
Re: [Wikimedia-l] It's time to reclaim the community logo
Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote on September 26, 2013, 15:22 UTC: Trademark don't self-enforce, they are enforceable as long as someone believes to you when you use them as threat tools. So yes, I suppose they might. ... and given that the WMF just hired the infamous Jones Day bullies as their representative before the OHIM to fight an opposition filled by their own volunteers (me and Federico), I don't think it's an unfair view. I suggest that everyone interested in the subject read http://www.dmlp.org/blog/2009/sam-bayard/thoughts-jones-day-blockshopper-settlement and related links for an overview of a 2009 Jones Day lawsuit against a start-up company Blockshopper.com which Paul Levy called a new a new entry in the contest for grossest abuse of trademark law to suppress speech the plaintiff doesn’t like. I'm aware that, being a party of the opposition, I shouldn't really comment on the WMF's litigation tactics, but it still leaves me wonder about the point of hiring, as some say, one of the worst trademark abusers in history, as their representative in this case. Tomasz ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Carbon footprints on Wikipedia.
On 09/10/13 06:49, Geoff Beacon wrote: An authoritative and easy to used resource giving of the effect or our everyday activities is essential if voters are to know enough to influence politics. I cant find any entries on Wikipedia to match this. To some extent I blame Wikipedia's over emphasis on peer review and official sources. The [Carbon footprint] entry is probably counter-productive as it implies that the quoted sources are more reliable than they are. I fear some of these sources are incorrect, hide their proprietary information or are influenced by politics (i.e. government departments). What I would like to see are lots of entries on Wikipedia like: [the carbon footprint of beef] [the carbon footprint of air travel] [the carbon footprint of a new house] etc. I don't really understand where you are coming from with this. Your own website http://www.greenrationbook.org.uk/resources/ cites plenty of official, reliable sources which you could presumably cite when you write about these topics. On your blog, you complain about Wikipedians getting annoyed when you cite yourself as a secondary source, which seems fair enough -- why not just cite the primary sources directly? -- Tim Starling ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
