Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

2013-10-15 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Thanks for the notice about this discussion. I knew it was to be a part of the new privacy policy, but I wasn't aware of the talk page. On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net wrote: We already went through a similar discussion two and a half years ago,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

2013-10-15 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:14 AM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net wrote: Keegan Peterzell wrote: This isn't 100% correct. �The idea was to have agents who had not already identified do so, since OTRS agents have access to a massive amount of non-public information. �For those

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-15 Thread Jon Davies
Yes a problem I have encountered too and very annoying. Newbies really appreciate it. Jon On 15 October 2013 08:58, Charles Andres charles.andres.w...@gmail.comwrote: Dear all, In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have the problem that only half of the new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

2013-10-15 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski
Keegan Peterzell wrote: The discussion, as I was clarifying, was about requiring agents that had not Identified to do so. There was no re-identifying require, which is th point that I was making. Oh yes, that's right. Thanks for the clarification, Keegan; I'm sorry about the confusion.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-15 Thread Jon Davies
Thanks, but newbies shouldn't have to do all that - it should sit there as an option. On 15 October 2013 09:34, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: Under Preferences Editing Enable VisualEditor (only in the mainhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Main_namespace and user

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-15 Thread K. Peachey
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote: Thanks, but newbies shouldn't have to do all that - it should sit there as an option. The same can be argued for the many other features that can be found in your preferences. No reason to see that as a downside,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

2013-10-15 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Keegan Peterzell, 15/10/2013 10:24: The two are related. Both measures seek transparency, one to the WMF and one to the community. The fact that the community side has worked is interesting when there is pushback to private transparency. This is an interesting point, thanks for making it. I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-15 Thread Charles Andrès
Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option (disable visual editor) :-( Charles ___ I use this email for mailing list only. Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-15 Thread Craig Franklin
Hear hear. I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't possibly win, given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on enwiki (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)diff=prevoldid=574251354, for those who aren't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-15 Thread Jan Ainali
From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified with something like: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLoginenablevisualeditor=1 which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] My vision for WMF and the movement

2013-10-15 Thread Arjuna Rao Chavala
Hi Ting, On Oct 9, 2013 3:22 PM, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote: Hello dear all, the following was one of t'he documents I created for my ED application. It took me quite some time to create it and thus it was clear for me at the beginning that I would publish it at some time point. I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-15 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Honestly speaking I'd disable Visual Editor for new users. They have a tendency of making errors. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jan Ainali jan.ain...@wikimedia.se wrote: From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified with something like:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-15 Thread Sophie Osterberg
Srikanth, why don't you let them use their sandbox then to learn VE? 2013/10/15 Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in Honestly speaking I'd disable Visual Editor for new users. They have a tendency of making errors. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jan Ainali

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

2013-10-15 Thread Nathan
This is directed at the Wikimedia legal team, whom I have cc'd: Even though the pace of contributions to the discussion page of the policy has picked up in the last couple of days, no one from the legal team has commented in about a month. I think it would help the discussion if the legal team

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

2013-10-15 Thread Michelle Paulson
Hi Nathan, My apologies for the delay. We will begin responding asap. -Michelle On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: This is directed at the Wikimedia legal team, whom I have cc'd: Even though the pace of contributions to the discussion page of the policy has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-15 Thread Andrew Gray
Before Visual Editor was invented, we complained about people starting editing right away and making mistakes. I'm not sure this is a completely tool-linked issue ;-) A. On 15 October 2013 18:42, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-15 Thread James Forrester
On 15 October 2013 00:58, Charles Andres charles.andres.w...@gmail.comwrote: Dear all, In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-15 Thread Ziko van Dijk
This is very true; there is a gap between what (most) beginners like to do and what would be wise to do. Some education colleagues told me that their beginners never wanted to edit elsewhere than on the real Wikipedia, not on an educational wiki. That beginners what to write an article of their

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-15 Thread Chris Keating
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to bother. They just start editing articles right away. Oh no! People editing articles! What a disaster! /sarcasm Chris

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Letters of Intent for FDC Round 2 due Nov 8, and community review right now!

2013-10-15 Thread Katy Love
Dear members of the Wikimedia community, I write to remind Wikimedia-affiliated entities interested in submitting an annual plan grant proposal to the Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) in Round 2 2013-2014 that they must first submit a Letter of Intent (LOI). The Letter of Intent is the first

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Letters of Intent for FDC Round 2 due Nov 8, and community review right now!

2013-10-15 Thread Lodewijk
Thanks for the update! Just to be clear - after ducking the FDC process for 2013/2014, this will be the round where the WMF will apply for funding of what it considers 'non-core' programs, correct? (There was some confusion over that in the round earlier this year, so trying to make sure I'm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Letters of Intent for FDC Round 2 due Nov 8, and community review right now!

2013-10-15 Thread Anasuya Sengupta
Hi Lodewijk, Thanks for asking. The FDC and WMF are currently in conversation about exactly what this looks like - so stay tuned for the details :-) - but yes, in principle, WMF will be submitting its proposal to the FDC in Round 2 of the process (for the annual plan 2014-15). Anasuya On Tue,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-15 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Chris, as Ziko put it. Would you like a novice driver with a Learner's permit to drive on a Crowded street or a High speed expressway or in a deserted ground? Visual Editor for newbies has caused a lot of pages to 'break' as I have noticed. On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:27 AM, Chris Keating

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-15 Thread Risker
You're correct Srikanth; I'd like to think that VisualEditor will be the entry editing interface of the future, but it's still not stable enough and is missing too many features to be ideal for new editors. It is, however, getting better every time I use it, so it is inching closer incrementally.