[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 9, Issue 42 -- 23 October 2013

[Wikipedia Signpost]

News and notes: Grantmaking season—rumbling in the German-language Wikimedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-10-23/News_and_notes

In the media: The decline of Wikipedia; Sue Gardner releases statement on 
Wiki-PR; Australian minister relies on Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-10-23/In_the_media

Featured content: Your worst nightmare as a child is now featured on Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-10-23/Featured_content

Traffic report: Your average week... and a fish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-10-23/Traffic_report

Discussion report: More discussion of paid advocacy, upcoming arbitrator 
elections, research hackathon, and more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-10-23/Discussion_report

WikiProject report: WikiProject Elements
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-10-23/WikiProject_report


Single page view
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signpost/Single

PDF version
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-10-23


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Adventure, alpha testers needed

[Jake Orlowitz]

David, I think I just fixed it with the help of Village Pump Tech.  Please
give it another go.

http://enwp.org/WP:TWA

Cheers! Jake (Ocaasi)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Adventure, alpha testers needed

[Jake Orlowitz]

Hey David, Thanks!  This is a known bug and I'm fixing it this weekend.  If
you make an edit, you can see the rest of the game.  This is first priority
for fixing, though.  Thanks again! Jake (Ocaasi)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Adventure, alpha testers needed

[David Cuenca]

Hi Jake!
How are you doing? I just tried your game and I found a bug after earning
the first badge. I was supposed to do an edit with italics and bolding, the
think is that I already had bolded text in my profile, so I just saved
without editing. The interface prompted me "You "Added bold, italics, and
wikilinks". Just click SAVE, and your edits will go live." with the button
"go back and make an edit". The thing is that it wrongly loads:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Micru&action=edit

Instead of the correct:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit

So far it is the only thing I've seen, good job! :)

Cheers,
Micru



On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Jake Orlowitz  wrote:

> Hi folks! I've been working for the past 7 months on an interactive guided
> tour for new editors called '''The Wikipedia Adventure''', as part of a WMF
> Individual Engagement Grant.  The game is an experiment in teaching our
> aspiring future editors in an educational but playful way.
>
> *This week I need some '''alpha-testers''' to kick the tires and basically
> try to break it.  I'm interested in general impressions and suggestions of
> course, but I'm really looking for gnarly, unexpected browser issues,
> layout problems, workflow bugs, and other sundry errors that would prevent
> people from playing through and having a positive experience.
>
> *If you're able to spend 1-3 hours doing some quality assurance work this
> week, you would have: a) my sincere gratitude b), a sparkly TWA barnstar,
> c) special thanks in the game credits, and d) a chance to leave your mark
> on Wikipedia's outreach puzzle and new editor engagement efforts.
>
> *Please note that the game automatically sends edits to your own userspace
> and it lets you know when that will happen.  If you want, you can register
> a new testing account just for the game, but it won't work properly unless
> you're logged-in by step 8 of mission 1 (when it lets you register on the
> fly).
>
> You can try it out at http://enwp.org/WP:TWA and leave feedback at
> http://enwp.org/WP:TWA/Feedback]].
>
> Thanks much and cheers!
>
> --Jake Orlowitz (Ocaasi)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

[Florence Devouard]

On 10/26/13 5:37 PM, Nathan wrote:

On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Florence Devouard wrote:


As for I, I have totally given up with the idea of preservation of
confidential data when the US are somehow involved (if the NSA is already
involved in recording German president phone conversations or French
diplomatic department communications, who are we to hope that our every
steps can be private anyway ?).



This bit is extraneous and unnecessary because (a) no one is asking the WMF
to hide details from the NSA, who let's agree couldn't care less about that
bit of data and (b) anything the NSA is capturing in Germany or France was
already quite certainly being captured by the governments of Germany and
France (or really, both).



At 45, I am still perhaps very innocent about my gov.
But really, I do not think the French gov is recording Ms Merkel. If 
only because they very likely do not have the tech means to do so ;)


Still, I disagree with you that the bit is extraneous. The thing is that 
most Europeans were really very shocked to read all that stuff about the 
NSA in the past few months. People are probably more sensitive about 
their private data than they were a couple of days ago because that was 
the opportunity for much talk on the general subject in the past few 
months (which data is recorded, by who, what for and so on).


Flo


That said, I agree with your three main points and think the WMF legal team
should consider them very strongly as they bring their failed policy
proposal back to the drawing board.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

[Florence Devouard]

On 10/26/13 4:22 PM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote:

On 10/26/2013 10:00 AM, Florence Devouard wrote:


2) that WMF disclose private information about us (OTRS member for
example) volunteers to other volunteers, who may not even be identified
in the least (as in "arbitration committee members")


The members of the English Wikipedia Arbcom, at least, are all identified.

-- Marc


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So I heard.

But not the case of other arbcom.

Flo


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[Wikimedia-l] MIT Technology Review's "The Decline of Wikipedia" article

[MZMcBride]

Hi.

Readers of this list may be interested in this piece that a colleague sent
me earlier this week: .
There wasn't much new information in the article, but it provides a decent
high-level view of some editor engagement issues from the past few years.

Somewhat unrelated to the above, I read this piece from a different
colleague this past week and I feel compelled to share it as it was
incredibly interesting and thought-provoking:
http://nybooks.com/articles/archives/2013/nov/07/are-we-puppets-wired-world

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

[Nathan]

On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Florence Devouard wrote:

> As for I, I have totally given up with the idea of preservation of
> confidential data when the US are somehow involved (if the NSA is already
> involved in recording German president phone conversations or French
> diplomatic department communications, who are we to hope that our every
> steps can be private anyway ?).
>
>
This bit is extraneous and unnecessary because (a) no one is asking the WMF
to hide details from the NSA, who let's agree couldn't care less about that
bit of data and (b) anything the NSA is capturing in Germany or France was
already quite certainly being captured by the governments of Germany and
France (or really, both).

That said, I agree with your three main points and think the WMF legal team
should consider them very strongly as they bring their failed policy
proposal back to the drawing board.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

[Marc A. Pelletier]

On 10/26/2013 10:00 AM, Florence Devouard wrote:
> 
> 2) that WMF disclose private information about us (OTRS member for
> example) volunteers to other volunteers, who may not even be identified
> in the least (as in "arbitration committee members")

The members of the English Wikipedia Arbcom, at least, are all identified.

-- Marc


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

[Florence Devouard]

As for I, I have totally given up with the idea of preservation of 
confidential data when the US are somehow involved (if the NSA is 
already involved in recording German president phone conversations or 
French diplomatic department communications, who are we to hope that our 
every steps can be private anyway ?).


My trust in WMF ability to provide security to our private information 
also dramatically dropped with the password leak a couple of months ago.


So what are the risks left ? I see mostly three main ones

1) that a digital version of my passport get in the hands of scammers. 
We know some of the risks associated to this, one of which being 
identity theft. Collection of a bunch of private data (name, email, 
phone number, postal address...) is one thing. Preservation of official 
identity paper is another.

I think that's a non-acceptable risk.

2) that WMF disclose private information about us (OTRS member for 
example) volunteers to other volunteers, who may not even be identified 
in the least (as in "arbitration committee members").
Main risk associated imho would go from mild online bullying to severe 
irl mishandling. I have very acute memory of this sick person sending me 
emails threatening my life and the life of my own kids when I was Chair 
of WMF. I was happy he was in the USA and me in France. I was not happy 
he knew of my postal address. And I was scared when I met him at the WMF 
doors irl.
Disclosing private information about us to a lawyer or a policeman is 
one thing. Disclosing private information about us to an "unknown" 
wikimedia member not bound by similar rules related to private data is 
unacceptable.


3) last, that WMF disclose private information about us without having 
the obligation to inform us it did so.
The draft proposes that The Wikimedia Foundation will not share 
submitted materials with third parties, unless such disclosure is (A) 
permitted by a non-disclosure agreement approved by the Wikimedia 
Foundation’s legal department; (B) required by law; (C) needed to 
protect against immediate threat to life or limb; or (D) needed to 
protect the rights, property, or safety of the Wikimedia Foundation, its 
employees, or contractors.
This is vague enough that it may happen that our private data is 
disclosed to about whoever (who will access our private data thanks to 
this "permitted by a non-disclosure agreement approved by the Wikimedia 
Foundation’s legal department" ???), possibly without us knowing.
Consequences may be various (being citing in a legal case without even 
knowning; having personal information disclosed to spammers or scammers; 
being sued by an "unhappy customer" after we failed to fix his case on 
otrs etc.)
A good part of benefit of this agreement would be that covered person 
better feel accountable.
I think a fitting balance would be that WMF agree to mandatorily inform 
ANY covered person WHEN and to WHOM his/her information has been disclosed.


Florence



On 10/26/13 8:20 AM, George Herbert wrote:

Ok.  As long as it wasn't missed, in all the other topics.

Thanks, I will be patient.


On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Philippe Beaudette <
pbeaude...@wikimedia.org> wrote:


Hi George -

I can tell you that I was in the room as this was being discussed
today. I'm fairly sure that Michelle is going to be following up on
this question shortly. It wasn't being ignored - we are just in that
territory where lawyers like to be certain that when they answer
clarifying queries like yours, they aren't accidentally muddying the
waters further. More soon.

pb

—
Philippe Beaudette
Director, Community Advocacy
Wikimedia Foundation, Inc




On Oct 25, 2013, at 9:19 PM, George Herbert 

wrote:


Again I ask:

Can the WMF either publicly or privately provide enough detailed

assurance

as to the digital medium storage plan for these IDs?

This is or should be a no-go for requiring IDs (or at least allowing them
to be transferred that way).

I would be happy to contribute a free independent security audit to a

plan,

if there is a detailed plan to audit.  And do so under confidentiality
agreement if you need that, as long as you let me share a non-exploitable
summary with the community...




On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:21 PM, George Herbert <

george.herb...@gmail.com>wrote:



Going back to the 2011 discussions on otrs lists, a flag was raised that
challenged whether the WMF had sufficiently secure servers to host

copies

of ID documents that might be electronically submitted, including
sufficient firewalling and/or airgapping, internal access controls, etc.

My impression was that once that was raised as a detailed concern, the
push died off rapidly, but I may be misremembering.

Let me now ask - Can the WMF either publicly or privately (I live in the
SF Bay Area and can come over and talk) provide enough detailed

assurance

as to the digital medium storage plan for these IDs?

This is enough data for someone to do an identity theft