Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Audit

2013-10-30 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski
Garfield Byrd wrote: Please contact me with any questions. Since the WMF wiki is private now, can a Foundation employee copy the contents of the new financial statements and the FAQ to an on-wiki version, please? Tomasz ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Overloaded with CentralNotices (Tilman Bayer)

2013-10-30 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
hi, On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 3:57 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine_w...@yahoo.com wrote: The reason why I wrote is not to blame anyone, but to promote thinking of other ways to communicate to the local communities. I'm skeptical, if a general banner is the best idea, too. Since quite likely only

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Overloaded with CentralNotices (Tilman Bayer)

2013-10-30 Thread Jane Darnell
Dj pundit, I second your skepticism. Especially since most Dutch Wikipedians have no idea what WMNL is, according to a survey. It only follows that they would therefore be completely buffaloed by a sitenotice inviting them to comment on a grant for it. Romaine is doing highly valuable work

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Overloaded with CentralNotices (Tilman Bayer)

2013-10-30 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Jane Darnell, 30/10/2013 09:30: I second your skepticism. Especially since most Dutch Wikipedians have no idea what WMNL is, according to a survey. Good point. Maybe all those who care about a chapter and its spending are already members of the chapter so that they can participate in the

[Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Maggie Dennis
Hi. :) I wanted to let you know that James Forrester is holding a second set of office hours to discuss VisualEditor. These are scheduled for 1700 UTC on 2 November and UTC on 3 November. For local time conversions, see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Office_hours and click on the starting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Risker
Hi Maggie - Just to clarify, since UTC is a confusing time for most of us...is that the minute after 2359 UTC on November 2 (i.e., 7 hours after the first session), or is it the minute after 2359 UTC on November 3? I've seen it used both ways so I just want to be clear. Risker On 30

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 10/30/2013 11:20 AM, Risker wrote: Just to clarify, since UTC is a confusing time for most of us {{cn}} I've heard that said very often (that 00:00 is somehow confusing to many people), but I've yet to actually see someone being actually confused by it. There is exactly one minute

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.orgwrote: On 10/30/2013 11:20 AM, Risker wrote: Just to clarify, since UTC is a confusing time for most of us {{cn}} I've heard that said very often (that 00:00 is somehow confusing to many people), but I've yet to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Newyorkbrad
It's simple enough to use 0001 instead of . Newyorkbrad On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 10/30/2013 11:20 AM, Risker wrote: Just to clarify, since UTC is a confusing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 10/30/2013 11:45 AM, Newyorkbrad wrote: It's simple enough to use 0001 instead of . It is, but if there /are/ in fact a large number of people being confused by it, then treating 00:00 as though it had special status by avoiding it will only *add* to that confusion rather than clarify the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Newyorkbrad
In an arbitration committee election a couple of years ago, I definitely recall confusion about whether a deadline of on a given date meant that the deadline expired as of the beginning of that date or the end of that date. Time designations are human conventions, not laws of nature, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Martin Rulsch
In German Nov 2, 24:00 equals Nov 3, 0:00. For further information have a look at Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock#Confusion_at_noon_and_midnight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24-hour_clock#Midnight_00:00_and_24:00 Cheers Martin 2013/10/30 Newyorkbrad newyorkb...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Michael Snow
On 10/30/2013 8:39 AM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: On 10/30/2013 11:20 AM, Risker wrote: Just to clarify, since UTC is a confusing time for most of us {{cn}} I've heard that said very often (that 00:00 is somehow confusing to many people), but I've yet to actually see someone being actually

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Newyorkbrad
Are you saying that our extensive discussion of the meaning of counts for naught? Newyorkbrad On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.comwrote: On 10/30/2013 8:39 AM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: On 10/30/2013 11:20 AM, Risker wrote: Just to clarify, since

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Risker
On 30 October 2013 11:47, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 10/30/2013 11:45 AM, Newyorkbrad wrote: It's simple enough to use 0001 instead of . It is, but if there /are/ in fact a large number of people being confused by it, then treating 00:00 as though it had special status

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Maggie Dennis
It confuses me, too, Risker. :) I'm terrified of time conversions, so I rely on the link they give us on the office hours page itself. :D It is 7 hours after the first session. The first time I listed a session at that time, I tried for 2400, but they couldn't process that one. I myself would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Katherine Casey
You know, I didn't believe them when they said Wikimedians could fight about *anything*...and then I read this thread. On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Newyorkbrad newyorkb...@gmail.com wrote: Are you saying that our extensive discussion of the meaning of counts for naught?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 10/30/2013 11:51 AM, Newyorkbrad wrote: Time designations are human conventions, not laws of nature, and should be as clearly expressed as possible. Anyone who disagrees with me is free to state his or her opinion until today. That deadline has come and gone, as you well know. :-)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Maggie Dennis
Good one, Brad. :) Katherine, I think you meant about *nothing*. ;) Maggie On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Katherine Casey fluffernutter.w...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I didn't believe them when they said Wikimedians could fight about *anything*...and then I read this thread. On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Michael Snow
On 10/30/2013 8:58 AM, Newyorkbrad wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.comwrote: On 10/30/2013 8:39 AM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: On 10/30/2013 11:20 AM, Risker wrote: Just to clarify, since UTC is a confusing time for most of us {{cn}} I've heard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Marco Chiesa
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: Yes, time designation are human conventions, but there is no more ambiguity about where lies there than there is about where 7 lies amongst the integers. If there are people who are confused and think that it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Risker
On 30 October 2013 12:14, Marco Chiesa chiesa.ma...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: Yes, time designation are human conventions, but there is no more ambiguity about where lies there than there is about where 7 lies

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Risker wrote: Just to clarify, since UTC is a confusing time for most of us...is that the minute after 2359 UTC on November 2 (i.e., 7 hours after the first session), or is it the minute after 2359 UTC on November 3? I've seen it used both ways so I just want to be clear. Could you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Isarra Yos
On 30/10/13 16:32, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: * Risker wrote: Just to clarify, since UTC is a confusing time for most of us...is that the minute after 2359 UTC on November 2 (i.e., 7 hours after the first session), or is it the minute after 2359 UTC on November 3? I've seen it used both ways

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
Has someone already started a book about wikidramas? One chapter called 00:00 would be a good one. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Maggie Dennis
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: On 30/10/13 16:32, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: * Risker wrote: Just to clarify, since UTC is a confusing time for most of us...is that the minute after 2359 UTC on November 2 (i.e., 7 hours after the first session),

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Risker
On 30 October 2013 12:32, Bjoern Hoehrmann derhoe...@gmx.net wrote: * Risker wrote: Just to clarify, since UTC is a confusing time for most of us...is that the minute after 2359 UTC on November 2 (i.e., 7 hours after the first session), or is it the minute after 2359 UTC on November 3?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Martin Rulsch
As far as I know, just in German and about German topics: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:10_Jahre_Wikipedia/Wikipedia-Buch https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alles_%C3%BCber_Wikipedia_und_die_Menschen_hinter_der_gr%C3%B6%C3%9Ften_Enzyklop%C3%A4die_der_Welt; for an English abstract see

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Overloaded with CentralNotices

2013-10-30 Thread ENWP Pine
For English Wikipedia I also feel that the FDC banner is annoying and probably not very useful for editors or effective for requesting community input. A watchlist notice would be more proportionate but even that is a stretch because FDC is far removed from most editors' on-wiki interests. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Overloaded with CentralNotices

2013-10-30 Thread Tilman Bayer
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.pl wrote: hi, On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 3:57 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine_w...@yahoo.com wrote: The reason why I wrote is not to blame anyone, but to promote thinking of other ways to communicate to the local communities.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Tim Starling
On 31/10/13 02:51, Newyorkbrad wrote: In an arbitration committee election a couple of years ago, I definitely recall confusion about whether a deadline of on a given date meant that the deadline expired as of the beginning of that date or the end of that date. Voting periods in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Overloaded with CentralNotices

2013-10-30 Thread Matthew Walker
As bonus I personally and other users have experienced that clicking away a banner made the banner appear again within the hour visiting other pages. I had that at least four times on a project, on several projects. Re-appeasring after being clicked away is useless and disturbing. I'm not sure

[Wikimedia-l] Q1 Quarterly Report from Wikimedia Norway (WMNO)

2013-10-30 Thread Erlend Bjørtvedt
The quarterly report draft (non-reviewed) from Wikimedia Norway is now posted her: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposals/2012-2013_round2/Wikimedia_Norge/Progress_report_form/Q1 Kind regards, -- *Erlend Bjørtvedt* Nestleder, Wikimedia Norge Vice chairman, Wikimedia Norway Mob:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Steve Zhang
I have to say, I'm amazed such a long discussion has occured over a question about the time for an office hours sessions. *Steven Zhang* *cro0...@gmail.com* On 31 October 2013 09:42, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 31/10/13 02:51, Newyorkbrad wrote: In an arbitration

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Overloaded with CentralNotices (Tilman Bayer)

2013-10-30 Thread Sue Gardner
Just quickly while I walk down the street: I don't think the goal is necessarily to get input from chapters members -- as you say, the best avenue for those people to give input on chapter plans is probably simply to be involved in the chapter's internal planning processes. I think the purpose of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Overloaded with CentralNotices

2013-10-30 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
Concerning FDC and similar notices: Could we may be once ask users to sign up for possible evaluations, and then send to those who signed up messages via the echo? (With no obligation to actually participate)? Basically meta-active users would sign up, and others would stop getting