Re: [Wikimedia-l] wikimediafoundation.org coup: six months later

[MZMcBride]

Hi.

Samuel Klein wrote:
>> The wiki continues to clutter up
>
>That's not quite apt. I see no backlog of requests for admin action, such
>as pages proposed for deletion.

With respect, the reality here is that there was a large ongoing cleanup
effort that got sidetracked by this coup.

The opening post, which quoted Tomasz, linked to
,
which currently reads:

Maintenance: Deletion requests (7) · Proposed deletions (1,163)

There'd be a lot more proposed deletions (probably somewhere around
10,000) if all the volunteers hadn't been put out.

Leaving incorrect donation information and broken donation forms on the
site seems like a really bad idea. I think there's general agreement on
this point. Plus most of the donation infrastructure is supposed to have
moved to a separate wiki, as I understand it.

>Migrating all but the essential pages to Meta is a worthy idea, one
>discussed for some time.  Every editor on that wiki can work on that.

If we go in this direction, then we need to get serious about moving to
Meta-Wiki and do it systematically. I think making it a 2014 goal is a
reasonable timeframe.

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] wikimediafoundation.org coup: six months later

[Samuel Klein]

Hello MZM,

> The wiki continues to clutter up

That's not quite apt. I see no backlog of requests for admin action, such
as pages proposed for deletion.
The number of admin actions of any sort has been low for years.  The change
in admins was a shift in policy, and resulted in some regular editors there
leaving; but the real issues are that a) translation isn't well-integrated
on that site, and b) most editors continue to be unable to edit at all,
including talk pages, thanks to restrictive account-creation policies.
 These require dev, not admin, help to fix.

Migrating all but the essential pages to Meta is a worthy idea, one
discussed for some time.  Every editor on that wiki can work on that.  Most
of the links on the main page already point to other wikis and wikimedia
sites.
Regards,
Sam.
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[Wikimedia-l] wikimediafoundation.org coup: six months later

[MZMcBride]

Tomasz W. Kozlowski wrote:
>for those of you who do not watch the RecentChanges on the Foundation
>wiki , I
>think it might be somehow surprising to see that in a top-level
>decision, almost all volunteer administrators of the wiki have been
>stripped off their adminship yesterday evening (UTC time).

Sigh.

It's been about six months since Philippe and Gayle orchestrated and
executed this coup, removing every volunteer administrator without notice
or justification.

Gayle hasn't made any mailing lists posts or edits to that wiki in the
past few months. Philippe has made a handful of both. The wiki continues
to clutter up with thousands of dead, or worse, misleading pages. There
are even a couple still suggesting that donors send money to post office
boxes in Florida

I think it's difficult to assume good faith when you can see how
interested Gayle or Philippe are in actually improving the wiki. Every
indication so far says that their actions were a hit and run. :-/

I think it might be a reasonable goal for 2014 to do away with the wiki.
Meta-Wiki will make a fine home.

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

[Matthew Flaschen]

On 11/16/2013 09:04 AM, Anthony Cole wrote:

The problem of false positives from mirrors doesn't exist if we scan edits
as they are made.


Agreed.  However, that example is a legal, attributed (at least on the 
talk page) copy from a third-party freely licensed text, not a false 
positive copy from a Wikipedia mirror.



Maggie says 
herethat
copyright bots populate
WP:SCV  So a
similarly-configured bot could scan recent changes and tag suspected
copyvios in watchlists and page histories like suspected vandalism is
currently tagged.


The suspected vandalism checks that actually tag the edit (e.g. "Tag: 
possible vandalism")  are based on AbuseFilter checks.  These are 
relatively fast determinations that consider the text of the edit (e.g. 
regexes for strings of curse words, or meaningless repeating 
characters), and comparisons to the previous version (blanked the 
section, blanked the page).


As far as I know, regular AbuseFilter rules can not hit a database or 
web search to check for copyright violations.  An extension could in 
theory do this.  But there would possibly be performance problems, since 
AbuseFilter runs on the actual server (not just some bot's computer) on 
every edit.


It is possible for a bot to scan every edit; it just can't use 
AbuseFilter tags.


Matt Flaschen

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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Call for input on the new trademark policy

[Yana Welinder]

Hi all,

The Wikimedia legal and community advocacy team invites
you[1]
to participate in the development of the new Wikimedia trademark
policy.

The current trademark
policy[2] was
introduced in 2009 to protect the Wikimedia
marks [3].
We are now updating this policy to facilitate permissive use of the
marks, while respecting the legal requirements for preserving them for the
community. The new draft trademark policy is ready for your review
here[4], and we
encourage you to discuss it
here  [5].

Thanks,
Yana & Geoff

[1]
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/11/18/call-for-input-on-the-new-trademark-policy/
[2] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_Policy
[3] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_official_marks%20
[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trademark_policy
[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Trademark_policy
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