Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

2013-11-20 Thread
On 19 November 2013 20:44, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Aside @Fae: the tineye crew are curious quite pro-freeculture, I bet they would be glad to help design a bot that uses their API to check image copyvios. This is an area this spins off from my little experiments with better

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

2013-11-20 Thread The Cunctator
Yes, let's keep on pushing for policies that drive away editors! On Nov 20, 2013 2:10 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 November 2013 20:44, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Aside @Fae: the tineye crew are curious quite pro-freeculture, I bet they would be glad to help design a bot

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

2013-11-20 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Nov 20, 2013 1:13 PM, The Cunctator cuncta...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, let's keep on pushing for policies that drive away editors! I'm not sure exactly what kind of policy you are getting at here. Could you elaborate a little? On Nov 20, 2013 2:10 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 19

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: A2K, its lies and irresponsibilities

2013-11-20 Thread Vishnu T
Dear Ansuman, Thanks for flagging this. All the profiles of the CIS-A2K team members are now updated. Please see [1]. Best, Vishnu [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Team On 28 October 2013 16:46, ansuman ansum...@gmail.com wrote: Me: Please make available the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: A2K, its lies and irresponsibilities

2013-11-20 Thread Vishnu T
Dear Ansuman, On 28 October 2013 16:46, ansuman ansum...@gmail.com wrote: Why still *2* new recruits are missing even after several months, at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Teamhttp://bl-1.com/click/load/ADAAMlM2Um8Hb1w7CTw-b0231 , Why there is no *monthly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: A2K, its lies and irresponsibilities

2013-11-20 Thread Vishnu T
Dear Ansuman, On 28 October 2013 16:46, ansuman ansum...@gmail.com wrote: Why there is no response to this, Evaluation results after months? *How long are your two weeks?*

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: A2K, its lies and irresponsibilities

2013-11-20 Thread Nathan
I feel like there is some context missing from this thread To me it looks like five replies to an e-mail from a few weeks ago that wasn't sent to the list? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

2013-11-20 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 11/20/2013 07:13 AM, The Cunctator wrote: Yes, let's keep on pushing for policies that drive away editors! Let's be clear here: contributions that are copyright violations are not desirable to begin with. If someone is driven away because they cannot cut and paste from random websites

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

2013-11-20 Thread Michael Snow
On 11/20/2013 8:31 AM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: On 11/20/2013 07:13 AM, The Cunctator wrote: Yes, let's keep on pushing for policies that drive away editors! Let's be clear here: contributions that are copyright violations are not desirable to begin with. If someone is driven away because

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

2013-11-20 Thread The Cunctator
There's also been discussion of automatically deleting content from contributors contributor from their own writing. On Nov 20, 2013 8:31 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 11/20/2013 07:13 AM, The Cunctator wrote: Yes, let's keep on pushing for policies that drive away editors!

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

2013-11-20 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 11/20/2013 11:59 AM, Michael Snow wrote: An essential part of collaboration is, after all, reviewing each other's work. From the terseness of the comment, it might be alluding to either aspect or both. That's actually an interesting question that has been lurking beneath all the editing is

[Wikimedia-l] Some sad news

2013-11-20 Thread Jake Orlowitz
User:Jackson Peebles is no longer with us, he passed away in late October. Jackson was a Western Michigan University Honors student studying behavioral science and biology. He worked as an ice hockey referreee and volunteered with the Red Cross. His Wikipedia efforts focused on counter-vandalism

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some sad news

2013-11-20 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Corrected link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jackson_Peebles *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | phili...@wikimedia.org | : @Philippewikihttps://twitter.com/Philippewiki On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Jake

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some sad news

2013-11-20 Thread Amy Vossbrinck
Never let it be said that one person can't make a difference. Clearly this young man was all about reaching out to others and making an impact everywhere he went. The planet and many people on it benefited from his kindness for the brief time he was here. Thank you, Jackson for all you gave to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

2013-11-20 Thread Richard Symonds
Not quite: I would argue that anti-vandalism work is a gateway drug to the rest of the project. Just a hunch, though. On Nov 20, 2013 5:21 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 11/20/2013 11:59 AM, Michael Snow wrote: An essential part of collaboration is, after all, reviewing each

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

2013-11-20 Thread Michael Snow
On 11/20/2013 9:20 AM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: That's actually an interesting question that has been lurking beneath all the editing is going down nervousness. How much of that 'editing' was, in fact, busy work made immaterial by technical advantage (bots, extensions, abusefilter)? The number

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

2013-11-20 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 11/20/2013 01:06 PM, Richard Symonds wrote: Not quite: I would argue that anti-vandalism work is a gateway drug to the rest of the project. Just a hunch, though. I'm pretty sure that typo correction fills pretty much the same niche, though. -- Marc

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

2013-11-20 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 11/20/2013 01:13 PM, Michael Snow wrote: My general point is that opportunities for automation are best considered with our overall mission in mind, not just the speed or efficiency of a particular workflow. In certain situations, automation that creates more work rather than removing it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some sad news

2013-11-20 Thread Steve Zhang
The loss of someone always hits us hard; the loss of one of us even more so. I was lucky enough to work with Jackson, albeit briefly. He will be very sorely missed and I wish his family all the best during these tough times. On 21/11/2013 4:33 AM, Amy Vossbrinck avossbri...@wikimedia.org wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

2013-11-20 Thread Michael Snow
On 11/20/2013 10:52 AM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: Perhaps another way of putting it is to ask whether the encyclopedia-building community is the means or the ends. To my eyes, having more contributors is not valuable unless it has better encyclopedia as a direct consequence. I believe the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] wikimediafoundation.org coup: six months later

2013-11-20 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: maybe – as suggested by Luis in a copyright-related discussion[2] – they could make some interns assess their content (what can become public, what needs to stay private to the same group of people, what can be

[Wikimedia-l] September 11 wiki

2013-11-20 Thread Tim Starling
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sep11wiki I think it's disrespectful to solicit contributions towards a memorial website, and then to fail to maintain that memorial website in a searchable format. Today, searching the web for phrases in contributed memorial pages brings up only ancient,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 11 wiki

2013-11-20 Thread Nathan
I think it would be better to reformulate it into book format and make it available as an e-book, for free download either directly from Wikimedia or other outlets like iTunes or Amazon. That would be searchable, and I don't know that hosting it in wiki form provides any benefits. Certainly as a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 11 wiki

2013-11-20 Thread MZMcBride
Tim Starling wrote: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sep11wiki I think it's disrespectful to solicit contributions towards a memorial website, and then to fail to maintain that memorial website in a searchable format. I think there's general agreement that setting up this wiki was a mistake. This

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 11 wiki

2013-11-20 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:38 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: We provide a dump of the September 11 wiki's contents here: http://dumps.wikimedia.org/backups-of-old-wikis.html. Memorial sites, while depressing and touching, are completely outside the scope of Wikimedia's mission. I don't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 11 wiki

2013-11-20 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 11/20/2013 07:09 PM, Tim Starling wrote: In 2007, the September 11 wiki was moved to a non-Wikimedia site, evidently hosted by an individual without the capacity to preserve that content for posterity. It was offline after only 3 years. It is still accessible at the Internet Archive's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 11 wiki

2013-11-20 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 21 Nov 2013, at 00:52, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: +1. sep11.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo already redirects to the IA copy, as well. Anything else is a distraction and a waste of time, sorry. Perhaps it would be worth fixing the mobile redirect for the wiki, currently it doesn't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 11 wiki

2013-11-20 Thread Tim Starling
On 21/11/13 11:38, MZMcBride wrote: Tim Starling wrote: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sep11wiki I think it's disrespectful to solicit contributions towards a memorial website, and then to fail to maintain that memorial website in a searchable format. I think there's general agreement

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 11 wiki

2013-11-20 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: Sure, but you can't undo it, once it is done. Maybe it was stupid to take on this responsibility, but deleting the site is not an ethical way to rectify the mistake. If you _really really_ want to take this on, please

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 11 wiki

2013-11-20 Thread Yann Forget
Hello, 2013/11/21 Nathan nawr...@gmail.com I think it would be better to reformulate it into book format and make it available as an e-book, for free download either directly from Wikimedia or other outlets like iTunes or Amazon. That would be searchable, and I don't know that hosting it in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 11 wiki

2013-11-20 Thread Victor Grigas
Tim, You could start an indiegogo or a kickstarter campaign for this. I'm sure you'd find funding and volunteers to keep it online. There is also a museum on the ground zero site that you may want to get in touch with about such an effort : http://www.911memorial.org/ They may be interested in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some sad news

2013-11-20 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Thank you for sharing this, Ocaasi. Sad, sad news indeed. ~ Keegan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan On Nov 20, 2013 1:09 PM, Steve Zhang cro0...@gmail.com wrote: The loss of someone always hits us hard; the loss of one of us even more so. I was lucky enough to work with Jackson,

[Wikimedia-l] Ongoing searches for Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director and VP of Engineering

2013-11-20 Thread MZMcBride
Hi. Is there a status update about the search for a new Executive Director? I checked https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ED_Transition_Team. Relatedly, there's now a position opening for a VP of Engineering (http://hire.jobvite.com/Jobvite/Job.aspx?j=ods8Xfwu). Big changes ahead, it seems.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ongoing searches for Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director and VP of Engineering

2013-11-20 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:23 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Relatedly, there's now a position opening for a VP of Engineering (http://hire.jobvite.com/Jobvite/Job.aspx?j=ods8Xfwu). Blog post with background:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 11 wiki

2013-11-20 Thread MZMcBride
Tim Starling wrote: On 21/11/13 11:38, MZMcBride wrote: No subsequent major world event (e.g., the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami) has had its own Wikimedia memorial wiki established and it's very unlikely that we would ever set up another. Sure, but you can't undo it, once it is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 11 wiki

2013-11-20 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Personally I think it is unfair for one incident ti have a wiki and not others. It will someday open a huge Pandora's box. Sent from the touchscreen equivalent of a Nokia 1100, pardon the sender. -- Srikanth Ramakrishnan, Treasurer. On Nov 21, 2013 6:08 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some sad news

2013-11-20 Thread Samuel Klein
Thank you so much for posting this Jake. I will dearly miss Jackson and his flow of good spirit and ideas. SJ On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Jake Orlowitz jorlow...@gmail.com wrote: User:Jackson Peebles is no longer with us, he passed away in late October. Jackson was a Western Michigan